I just want to finish off this ridiculous "rescue AL" rubbish now so it never rears its head again.
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Impossible.
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But Boa betrayed the marines and how can she live in peace if she is travelling with luffy without being sure about her island which were caused by her doings?
Are you ignoing that fact?
Why is Moria being killed by the WG?
Why CP9 is targeted for elimination?But you expect they would say for a betrayal it doen't matter
Really that's the highlight of this thread. Boa is leaving in HOPE that nothing will happen. Greatest nakama ever.
i think i have posted the same responce enough to this argument.
basically boils down to Amazon Lily is and always has been a pirate nation.
Hancock didn't make them this WANTED pirate nation. They were pirates long before she was ever born. They have all grown up their whole lifes knowing they are pirates and all grow up with idea of being as strong as you can. How do you guys think it is soo damn evil for hancock to leave the island. Oh damn they have to go back to being REAL pirates and not their cushoned lifestyle that Hancock gave them in the first place.
She is the reason they even have this treaty, if she didn't exist it would be same as if she breaks the treaty. Just back to being a pirate nation that lives close to WG. She is a Prisoner to teh nation right now. She is stuck with duties as their leader and duties to keep status for treaty.
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I bow down to the power to get rid of the allmighty space sign.
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Impossible.
Even a hydra can be disabused of growing new heads if you stick a flame tipped arrow into its neck.
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
It's funny cuz he's good at ignoring multiple posts at a time.
i don't quote you all cause basically all saying same thing and like as stated 8 people to my one.
but as to you guys always bringing up the "do two things at once"
how fucking hard is it to grasp limited resources concept. no this isn't whitebeard so yes they can do two things at once, heck maybe 3, 4, 5, 50 things at once or wahtever number you want.
But please enlighten me, what are those 2 things at once they are doing? How many resources does it take for amazon lily and how many for that other thing?
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But please enlighten me, what are those 2 things at once they are doing? How many resources does it take for amazon lily and how many for that other thing?Akainu and let's say 5 battleships with vice admirals.
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I think i have posted the same response enough to this argument. Basically it boils down to Amazon Lily is and always has been a pirate nation. They were pirates long before she was ever born.
Proof? I personally think they became a pirate nation about 22 years ago myself. Not that it matters much, since…
How do you guys think it is soo damn evil for Hancock to leave the island? […] She is the reason they even have this treaty. She is stuck with duties as their leader and duties to keep status for treaty.
…you answer you own questions on the matter and forget that only recent advancements in technology allow the Marines to come to Amazon Lily.
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Akainu and let's say 5 battleships with vice admirals.
No admiral would need backup to destroy AL.
Given the nature of their powers, they could destroy the island without ever setting foot on shore.
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Hahahahahaha i completely forgot about the pacifistas. Forget the viceadmirals. Sentomarou and his pacifistas army lead by akainu will be more than enough.
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It wasn't that fighting Amazon Lily wasn't important it was that there was something more important they had to do.
That doesn't mean that AL won't be getting attacked tho. Just like what I said doesn't mean Luffy won't be fighting BB.
You understand that?
Explain to me why they are less important? What's more important to you.
Taking care of a peaceful village of innocent civilians being attacked by pirates right now, or attacking an island of ONLY pirates.
Simple. There's no indication that the marines want anything to do with WB's territories. An island being recently controlled by Brownbeard pales in comparison to a pirate nation operating in close proximity to the Marine HQ. If it comes down to distance why go to the NW when you can go to the calm belt first?
I'm sorry if i'm a bad person for wanting to take care of my civilians that are under attack save them and make sure my own country is safe before I go off on the offensive and start invading. In the overall scheme yes it may work to invade and ignore for the bigger picture, but not in this case.
Nobody is saying you can't do that (even though you've recently worded it this way) but you won't be completely taking care of your civilians if you leave threats out in the world to run rampant and flourish. You WILL eventually have to deal with them.
The amazon pirates are just that, the kuja pirates. They aren't the brownbeard pirates, they aren't the strawhat pirates, they aren't eh krieg pirates, they aren't eh arlong pirates, they aren't the redhair pirates, ect. each pirate is its own. taking out amazon lily and kuja pirates in no way helps the civilians being attacked by brownbeard or any other pirate crew.
How do you know this? How don't you know the Kuja pirates don't go from island to island robbing and killing ppl? They are pirates. Are you so naive and dense to think that they don't do that? Also explain how stopping piracy does not help the civilains?
if all of a sudden canada starts attacking the U.S. it makes no sense to go over and start fighting north korea. i can't just ignore canada. Now if I have the resources to do both, then yes. But blindly assuming they can do it asap is wrong.
It's America ofcourse they can do both and since you made that comparison ofcourse the WG could do both ASAP. Thing is nobody is attacking the WG and they have the choice of who they take out first. It'd take relatively longer to head to the NW than it would to go to AL. So go by distance. Attack Canada and then after a while attack North Korea.
and again gonna keep posting this Amazon Lily has been forever a PIRATE nation. Hancock didn't make them this WANTED pirate nation. They have all grown up their whole lifes knowing they are pirates and all grow up with idea of being as strong as you can. How do you guys think it is soo damn evil for hancock to leave the island. Oh damn they have to go back to being REAL pirates and not their cushoned lifestyle that Hancock gave them in the first place.
They always had that cushioned lifestyle dumbass even before Hancock. The marines initially had no way of getting to AL to attack them (THE CALM BELT) and by the time they did a pirate worthy of being a shichibukai happened to be the kuja captain so they dodged the event of a war with the marines. Are you even paying attention?
The fact that you try to put this situation in a different light where it's the amazons fault for having a strong leader that was a shichibukai and now that she's gone they should fight for themselves if they want to continue living off of piracy is a fucking joke. Only shitty leaders purposely puts their country in a terrible position before deciding to leave. That's definitely not SH material but maybe Buggy would take in someone of such low stature.
@Hinscher:i don't quote you all cause basically all saying same thing and like as stated 8 people to my one.
but as to you guys always bringing up the "do two things at once"
how fucking hard is it to grasp limited resources concept. no this isn't whitebeard so yes they can do two things at once, heck maybe 3, 4, 5, 50 things at once or wahtever number you want.
But please enlighten me, what are those 2 things at once they are doing? How many resources does it take for amazon lily and how many for that other thing?
The thing about us saying the same thing is you keep ignoring the same parts.
They won't have limited resources forever dumbass. The main thing that is being stressed is that if Hancock defects and joins the SHs, the second the WG/marines find out AL will be put on high priority to be wiped out.
Send Akainu to AL and everything else can be divided up for the other problems like Brownbeard and some fucking pirates in the Blues or they can buster call AL and send the admirals to handle the other stuff going on.
Zik Of The 7 Swords: Vision? What do you know about my vision? My vision would turn your world upside down, tear asunder your illusions, and send the sanctuary of your own ignorance crashing down around you. Now ask yourself, Are you ready to see that vision?
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No admiral would need backup to destroy AL.
Given the nature of their powers, they could destroy the island without ever setting foot on shore.
Quoting this since you seem to be on an ignore list.
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Proof? I personally think they became a pirate nation about 22 years ago myself. Not that it matters much, since…
...you answer you own questions on the matter and forget that only recent advancements in technology allow the Marines to come to Amazon Lily.
And once again Hinscher…
HOW COULD BOA BE SURE THE ISLAND WON'T BE ATTACKED!?
Hope and risking lives aren't good cons for a true nakama.
But yeah Boa will join, Al will be fine, Nyon's words will be pointless, Piracy can go on and Boa can be sure of all that even after she as EMPRESS and LEADER of the island BETRAYED the marines.
Hell look at Ohana. Even civilians were killed for the lulz by Akainu cuz some scholars were on the island.
But yeah AL will be finde and Boa can be sure of it... Let her join
And before the Boa fans will call me anti-boa once again... It isn't against Boa and her chances to join (like I said if AL arc will happen now than yes it is likely) but against Hinscher and his theory that Boa will join without have the knowledge that nothing will happen to AL
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Proof? I personally think they became a pirate nation about 22 years ago myself. Not that it matters much, since…
...you answer you own questions on the matter and forget that only recent advancements in technology allow the Marines to come to Amazon Lily.
When did Nyon leave? i would imagine way before 22 years ago. And she claims we were protected by that in the past, but now they have those ships so we need treaty. As soon as Hancock got back she got treaty in first voyage. the timelines suggest that they were pirates when nyon was around and that was before 22 years ago.
yes recent technology allows marines to come. what about it. if hancock never existed or didn't get treaty to begin with they would be in same boat as if she breaks it. A pirate nation near MHQ, in the calm belt that is now travelable. I'll say again, Hancock is a prisoner to the treaty. That just doesn't sound like something we will leave unresolved.
Akainu and let's say 5 battleships with vice admirals.
well in my theory i said Doflamingo and Buster Call.
but that's the one thing going on? What else is going on in world and who is needed were to do what? You guys keep saying they can do two things at once and this isn't whitebeard. Please tell me what teh hundreds of other pirates are doing. the other yonkou, the revolutionaries and so on. And how and what the WG is sending and doing for each event?
oh yea that would be impossible to tell, which is why I say you 2 things at once argument is bullshit. They may be doing 50 things at once, but amazon lily may not be one of those 50 things RIGHT NOW. Sooner or Later yes, but we don't know and can't tell when. if now or later.
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
That doesn't mean that AL won't be getting attacked tho. Just like what I said doesn't mean Luffy won't be fighting BB.
You understand that?
Simple. There's no indication that the marines want anything to do with WB's territories. An island being recently controlled by Brownbeard pales in comparison to a pirate nation operating in close proximity to the Marine HQ. If it comes down to distance why go to the NW when you can go to the calm belt first?
Nobody is saying you can't do that (even though you've recently worded it this way) but you won't be completely taking care of your civilians if you leave threats out in the world to run rampant and flourish. You WILL eventually have to deal with them.
How do you know this? How don't you know the Kuja pirates don't go from island to island robbing and killing ppl? They are pirates. Are you so naive and dense to think that they don't do that? Also explain how stopping piracy does not help the civilains?
It's America ofcourse they can do both and since you made that comparison ofcourse the WG could do both ASAP. Thing is nobody is attacking the WG and they have the choice of who they take out first. It'd take relatively longer to head to the NW than it would to go to AL. So go by distance. Attack Canada and then after a while attack North Korea.They always had that cushioned lifestyle dumbass even before Hancock. The marines initially had no way of getting to AL to attack them (THE CALM BELT) and by the time they did a pirate worthy of being a shichibukai happened to be the kuja captain so they dodged the event of a war with the marines. Are you even paying attention?
The fact that you try to put this situation in a different light where it's the amazons fault for having a strong leader that was a shichibukai and now that she's gone they should fight for themselves if they want to continue living off of piracy is a fucking joke. Only shitty leaders purposely puts their country in a terrible position before deciding to leave. That's definitely not SH material but maybe Buggy would take in someone of such low stature.
U serious hahah? I wanna bet the Revo army is taking advantage.
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When did Nyon leave? i would imagine way before 22 years ago. And she claims we were protected by that in the past, but now they have those ships so we need treaty. As soon as Hancock got back she got treaty in first voyage. the timelines suggest that they were pirates when nyon was around and that was before 22 years ago.
yes recent technology allows marines to come. what about it. if hancock never existed or didn't get treaty to begin with they would be in same boat as if she breaks it. A pirate nation near MHQ, in the calm belt that is now travelable. I'll say again, Hancock is a prisoner to the treaty. That just doesn't sound like something we will leave unresolved.
well in my theory i said Doflamingo and Buster Call.
but that's the one thing going on? What else is going on in world and who is needed were to do what? You guys keep saying they can do two things at once and this isn't whitebeard. Please tell me what teh hundreds of other pirates are doing. the other yonkou, the revolutionaries and so on. And how and what the WG is sending and doing for each event?
oh yea that would be impossible to tell, which is why I say you 2 things at once argument is bullshit. They may be doing 50 things at once, but amazon lily may not be one of those 50 things RIGHT NOW. Sooner or Later yes, but we don't know and can't tell when. if now or later.
And than what? Luffy and crew will sail the fuck back to from the NW to AL?
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well in my theory i said Doflamingo and Buster Call.
but that's the one thing going on? What else is going on in world and who is needed were to do what?
Amazon is not only in the world it's near to the marines HEADQUATERS. To ignore that right now a formidable armada is concentrated at the MHQ is ignoring that a war has taken place there a few days ago. Ignoring that the MHQ has enough battleships to be sent for a few hours trip in the neighborhood is… No i won't say it. It only leads to bad karma.
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I even forgot about the remaining shichibukai and pacifista.
@OneManCollectiblez:U serious hahah? I wanna bet the Revo army is taking advantage.
Don't quote me. You make little to no sense.
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
I even forgot about the remaining shichibukai and pacifista.
Don't quote me. You make little to no sense.
OneManCollectiblez has yet to except that he is the most awful poster the Boa supporters have (that's saying allot), be nice to him.
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
I even forgot about the remaining shichibukai and pacifista.
Don't quote me. You make little to no sense.
Thats because it was nonsence what u posted.
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
That doesn't mean that AL won't be getting attacked tho. Just like what I said doesn't mean Luffy won't be fighting BB.
You understand that?
Simple. There's no indication that the marines want anything to do with WB's territories. An island being recently controlled by Brownbeard pales in comparison to a pirate nation operating in close proximity to the Marine HQ. If it comes down to distance why go to the NW when you can go to the calm belt first?
Nobody is saying you can't do that (even though you've recently worded it this way) but you won't be completely taking care of your civilians if you leave threats out in the world to run rampant and flourish. You WILL eventually have to deal with them.
How do you know this? How don't you know the Kuja pirates don't go from island to island robbing and killing ppl? They are pirates. Are you so naive and dense to think that they don't do that? Also explain how stopping piracy does not help the civilains?
It's America ofcourse they can do both and since you made that comparison ofcourse the WG could do both ASAP. Thing is nobody is attacking the WG and they have the choice of who they take out first. It'd take relatively longer to head to the NW than it would to go to AL. So go by distance. Attack Canada and then after a while attack North Korea.They always had that cushioned lifestyle dumbass even before Hancock. The marines initially had no way of getting to AL to attack them (THE CALM BELT) and by the time they did a pirate worthy of being a shichibukai happened to be the kuja captain so they dodged the event of a war with the marines. Are you even paying attention?
The fact that you try to put this situation in a different light where it's the amazons fault for having a strong leader that was a shichibukai and now that she's gone they should fight for themselves if they want to continue living off of piracy is a fucking joke. Only shitty leaders purposely puts their country in a terrible position before deciding to leave. That's definitely not SH material but maybe Buggy would take in someone of such low stature.
I think you stated what I have been trying to say. I'm not arguing that AL won't be attacked, just saying we dont' know WHEN.
what do you consider attacking WG. Maybe no one is directly attacking their army or HQ's, but if some pirates come to my hometown and start attacking people there, i consider that attacking the U.S. You don't need to attack pearl harbor or something like that.
No i'm not trying to say its amazon fault for hancock being strong and getting a treaty. i'm just saying i feel bad for her, she is now TRAPPED by that same treaty. Which is why i feel a defend amazon lily arc will also resolve that. the WG attack on Amazon Lily being stopped and defeated would be a great moral boost, show their strength and also set WG back on heels. Not saying they can't send another force easy enough, especially if Hancock leaves and SH's and others not htere anymore, but makes them think "is it worth it" We have plenty of other matters to deal with right now, lets ignore AL for now.
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@Robo:
OneManCollectiblez has yet to except that he is the most awful poster the Boa supporters have (that's saying allot), be nice to him.
Still it's all possible what I said.
Seriously how could it be awful than?.
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solution: Marines enter Amazon Lilly to capture Boa and the Kuja and destroy the island but they see the Kuja actually hunting Boa and Luffy down, so called because she brought a man to the island and because jealous old empress nyon has regained control of the island. They will try to kill Boa when the marines arrive but do not succeed and at that time Luffy, Boa, jinbei and some Strawhats (like sanji who seems closest to getting to Amazon Lilly, where he will permanently be de-okamaed, so he HAS to visit the island) escape on the Kuja ship. This was all for show so that Boa could leave with Luffy and have the amazons save. The WG would think they are against Boa and will not destroy the island of amazons. . .
Remember, remember, the 5th of November
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solution: Marines enter Amazon Lilly to capture Boa and the Kuja and destroy the island but they see the Kuja actually hunting Boa and Luffy down, so called because she brought a man to the island and because jealous old empress nyon has regained control of the island. They will try to kill Boa when the marines arrive but do not succeed and at that time Luffy, Boa, jinbei and some Strawhats (like sanji who seems closest to getting to Amazon Lilly, where he will permanently be de-okamaed, so he HAS to visit the island) escape on the Kuja ship. This was all for show so that Boa could leave with Luffy and have the amazons save. The WG would think they are against Boa and will not destroy the island of amazons. . .
Cool fanfic.
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And than what? Luffy and crew will sail the fuck back to from the NW to AL?
your taking my things out of context.
This has no relation to what happens in story, no relation to where strawhats are, or boa is or anything. Just taking one instance.
If the treaty is broken the WG will attack them. When we don't know, it could be instantly (though i doubt it, and have argued reasons to no end), 2 weeks, a month a year, who knows. That is all i'm saying about that.
i'm not discussing where hancock is if she joined, where sh's are or anything else on that. only saying if the treaty is broken, the attack could take months before they get around to doing it.
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@Robo:
Cool fanfic.
thanks, I am not a real Boa joins fanatic but just saying that there are ways Oda could make it work…
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solution: Marines enter Amazon Lilly to capture Boa and the Kuja and destroy the island but they see the Kuja actually hunting Boa and Luffy down, so called because she brought a man to the island and because jealous old empress nyon has regained control of the island. They will try to kill Boa when the marines arrive but do not succeed and at that time Luffy, Boa, jinbei and some Strawhats (like sanji who seems closest to getting to Amazon Lilly, where he will permanently be de-okamaed, so he HAS to visit the island) escape on the Kuja ship. This was all for show so that Boa could leave with Luffy and have the amazons save. The WG would think they are against Boa and will not destroy the island of amazons. . .
doesn't matter what marines believe.
the treaty is there for only ONE reason. Hancock is a warlord. If she is no longer a warlord then treaty is gone. Doesn't matter if Amazon Lily disownes Hancock, unless they can replace Hancock as a Warlord then the treaty is void and they are prone to be attacked when the WG wants.
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your taking my things out of context.
This has no relation to what happens in story, no relation to where strawhats are, or boa is or anything. Just taking one instance.
If the treaty is broken the WG will attack them. When we don't know, it could be instantly (though i doubt it, and have argued reasons to no end), 2 weeks, a month a year, who knows. That is all i'm saying about that.
i'm not discussing where hancock is if she joined, where sh's are or anything else on that. only saying if the treaty is broken, the attack could take months before they get around to doing it.
So she should just cross her fingers that they'll wait until she gets back? In what way is that not abandoning them?
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Thats because it was nonsence what u posted.
Coming from you I can't agree.
I think you stated what I have been trying to say. I'm not arguing that AL won't be attacked, just saying we dont' know WHEN.
The when doesn't matter. Once they know the situation it WILL happen. Also it doesn't change the fact that what brennen's been saying about Hancock not knowing the WG's priorities so she'd still be leaving her country to die knowing that eventually they will be attacked.
what do you consider attacking WG. Maybe no one is directly attacking their army or HQ's, but if some pirates come to my hometown and start attacking people there, i consider that attacking the U.S. You don't need to attack pearl harbor or something like that.
I'm not going to further indulge your poor example. There's multiple threats out there. Brownbeard has taken over one of WB's territory. Prior to the war that place has always been WB's terrirtory. The marines never attacked and tried to liberate them from WB before all that has changed is the person running shit there. Like a country changing dictators. IMO the threat of a pirate nation, a nation of criminals is more of a threat than the island Brownbeard is temporarily controlling.
No i'm not trying to say its amazon fault for hancock being strong and getting a treaty. i'm just saying i feel bad for her, she is now TRAPPED by that same treaty. Which is why i feel a defend amazon lily arc will also resolve that. the WG attack on Amazon Lily being stopped and defeated would be a great moral boost, show their strength and also set WG back on heels. Not saying they can't send another force easy enough, especially if Hancock leaves and SH's and others not htere anymore, but makes them think "is it worth it" We have plenty of other matters to deal with right now, lets ignore AL for now.
Hancock isn't trapped at all. She hasn't expressed any desire to join the SHs. She hasn't even said anything to the effect that she wants to be with Luffy forever. Luffy hasn't hinted in anyway that he wants her on her crew but Hancock has said she wants to keep her shichi status and we all know she likes being empress. Even in the event that she got found out and AL was attacked why wouldn't she stay with her ppl and fight to be independent of the WG and maintain their lifestyle of piracy?
You Hancock supporters keep opting for the scenario where she puts herself in a fucked up position and decides not to do the right thing and have no reasonable solution for it and no, stall until the manga ends(or leave them alone for now) is not reasonable and is illogical from the WG's perspective.
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Nyon […] claims they were protected by that in the past, but now they have those ships so they need the treaty.
All this tells me is that they were safe from any and all invaders, be it pirates, Marines, unicorns, or whatever. Keep in mind even before they were pirates they were a nation not allied with the WORLD Government. Of course they had other enemies.
The timelines suggest that they were pirates when Nyon was around and that was before 22 years ago.
In Chapter 0 (Strong World), when it shows reactions to Roger's death from people around the world, it shows Hancock talking to her sisters about how people are going to become pirates now. As in, "rumor has it everyone is going to start being pirates". When Sandersonia/Marigold ask if everyone will be, Hancock corrects her sister(s) by stating that only the strongest warriors will become pirates. Sounds awfully similar to how they work their pirate crew, and in context makes tons more sense than her referring to the world as a whole.
Yes recent technology allows Marines to come. What about it? If Hancock never existed or didn't get treaty to begin with they would be in same boat as if she breaks it.
Exactly! How does this not process with you? Were it not for Hancock, the nation would have been attacked already. Therefore, Hancock saved them and currently protects them. I mean, the concept here is so simple I don't doubt all the children in Japan understand it, and yet you cannot seem to grasp what is going on.
I'll say again, Hancock is a prisoner to the treaty. That just doesn't sound like something we will leave unresolved.
Everything we know about Hancock suggests that all she has ever wanted in life is to be a recognized member of her enclosed society. When she was young, she aimed to be a pirate. When she became a pirate, no doubt she aimed for the captain's position. When she was kidnapped, she wanted to go home. When she got home, she became Empress and captain and went to great lengths to hide her shame as a warrior. How on earth are you reaching the conclusion that she is a prisoner?
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You need to write a shitload of fan-fiction to make a case for Boa joining. That's not a good sign for team Hancock.
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@Robo:
So she should just cross her fingers that they'll wait until she gets back? In what way is that not abandoning them?
no i have posted my theory, i'll repost it here in spoiler since big
! The war just ended, we see and hear stuff around the world and no plenty as well.
! 1. 100,000 marines, Admirals, Vice-Admirals, ect are all at Marineford.
2. We see that marines are needed around the world, most likely due to being thinned out since such a huge and respected part of their force (that 100,000) is all at Marineford.
! So now what needs to be done? They need to get those 100,000 marines back to their stations or where they are needed. What does that involve? SHIPS. They need how many ships to send these marines and a huge number at that of marines around the world.
! Next we have Marineford and Impel down conditions and personal. Impel Down and marineford are like wrecked big time, and at least Impel down is big on casualties and injured people that need replacing or temporary placement. There is more than 250 people in Impel Down (the number that escaped at least) so there is still plenty of prisoners to still watch in impel down. marineford was just devasted by WB and BB's quakes and other events. They will have to have temp spots to work or move to new location for time being while repairs set in.
! So we have major repairs needed, personal issues to fix and all working in a new place and not the standard. Plus a bunch of ships sending poeple to the places they need to be in order to stop the uprisings around the world. Basically this whole beginning is to show you that its very understanable that they need to wait a few weeks to have the resources to send a force to Amazon Lily.
! Now on to the defense of Amazon Lily. it has been say 2+ weeks. Since its two weeks so far, anytime from now to when it could happen. Dont' know all of what the WG does, so limited on situations. but lets say we send a Buster Call and also send Doflamingo. Doflamingo for reasons he already was seen taking orders to eliminate Moria so understandable he may do same for other warlords, and also an arc dealing with not only WG, but a man who not only has ties with slave auction, but also has a devil fruit that allows him to essentially have control over anothers body would be great stuff to bring out and emotional impact to Hancock, also potentially revealing her slave mark to all the amazonians.
! The battle can go to your imagination to how it will all play out exactly, of course with AL and Luffy winning as outcome, but I believe that at some point we have the tide of the battle hugely in the favor of the WG and seems that it will be for sure doom and everyone dies on AL and luffy loses and so on. But then the strawhats arrive in teh thousand sunny via paddle dock, which since they are not seastone coated results in their ship being spotted big time by all the sea kings in the sea. They either outmanuever in paddle or combination of coup de burst and so on, but regardless they can move now unlike going merry in the windless calm belt and then they arrive to amazon lily with a bunch of sea kings in tow (lets say 10-20, or who knows maybe hundreds). All of a sudden teh buster call ships see this ship coming and hundreds of sea kings behind it and be like "omg, holy shit, what do we do" If you seen the movie Firefly, think of the scene that they arrive with hundreds of reaper ships in tow while charging the federation.
! This also is of course arrival of the strawhats and their docking and joining in on battles of close coutners with hopefully like usopp and franky still on ship doing some sweet ass fighting of sea kings and battle ships with the sunny's weapons and their own. Jimbei also is there as well, obviously and helps with sea battle of the buster call and protecting sunny from sea kings, while the remaining strawhats are on other ships or amazon lily fighting the big dogs taht came to destroy amazon lily while hancock and luffy take care of doflamingo. battle ensues, and so on to the victory adn celebration and then tearful goodbye where amazon's all force hancock to leave. you know like how franky adn sanji were forced to leave.
! how do strawhats get there you ask? well simple. ivankov. he is heading to kamabaka. Sanji most likely heading back by now. they meet somewhere on sea like mr. 2 and sh's met when going from little garden to arabasta. considering AL is so close to shabondy and sanji following vivre card heading there and also shabondy/AL at red line it is understandable that their ships would cross in a straight shot. Sanji returns to Sunny, other strawhats are there already or some coming in just then as well and they all head off to AL since Ivankov told sanji wehre Luffy was, if not returned to sunny yet.
! and then back to my story of them arriving in epic spread of thousand sunny being chased by hundredsof sea kings, followed by epic spread of all strawahts (minus luffy) standing at front of ship ready for battle.
! If this was my manga, that is how I would write the story from this point on, then of course head to Rayleigh again, get coated and fishman island with Jimbei on board still, and hancock as a new member.
! This whole theory of mine has no idea what Law and his crew have for involvement in this. They help fight? they have left already? don't participate? leave when WG arrives? I have no idea, what woudl work best.
but then at end of this we have the WG beat in that battle and with Hancock and Luffy leaving (Jimbei as well) and heading to fishman island which is super close. But then also onward to new world obviously at some point.The WG took a huge blow loosing AL defend arc, maybe not so much resource wise, but mentality wise. with the principla offenders and main guys plus how hugely wanted it seems Luffy is on the TO DO LIST, plus 4 rogue warlords, the 3 yonkou moving, the revolutionaries, remianing WB pirates, all other pirates in world, bandits, and so on attacking around either taking adavantage of WB territory or just the time the WG had most everybody at MHQ's for teh WB war. They have a lot on their plate, and they may just think that Amazon Lily is not worth the effort or time to deal with right now.
and besides they have always been pirates, and are not weak and all know haki. After a defend arc and a moral boost it will feel like a victory and no worry. they aren't the franky family.
Well anyway, time to head home so might be on in an hour, just so people don't throw fit by me not responding
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i'm sorry if i don't see amazon lily as a huge fodder island, but regardless of how few resources it takes there is one thing you keep f*ing ignoring.
the rest of teh damn world. i just mentioned a couple events. First blackbeard and luffy, and also a what if hancock denied original summons.
Why did Luffy not fight him then and there?
And would the WG have sent forces right away to AL the instant she refused?
Let's do this then, the rest of the world…
- Yonkou Kaidou: Has a fourth of the New World under his control, he's at his own territory prepared for anything anyone brings at him. Attacking him, when he's prepared and not attacking you at your homefront, is a wasted effort. WG would be dumb to do that.
- Next Yonkou, Shanks: Has a fourth of the New World under his control too, and he's returning to that place, and he's also the guy that the WG didn't attack when he was at their doorsteps… It's like he's "stronger" and attacking him at his own territory is stupid, furthermore, the WG wasted their chance with their ceasefire that they had.
- Third Yonkou, Big Mom– same shit as the other two...
- Remaining Whitbeard Forces– same shit as the others, and you can bet that these guys have alliances working all over the New World since they basically exist in a place that the WG avoids taking the time to impose Justice on.
These are the biggest threats towards the WG, we know that the guys up above won't go back to attack the WG in any way, so they're harmless unless they cooperate– which, thankfully, they never do since they each aim to be the same thing and don't agree. With this, the WG understands that these guys can weaken themselves over at the NW fighting and wreaking havoc out there doing whatever they please. The WG doesn't need to act yet, they can bide their time until the right moment when some "person" allows them the edge by having each Yonkou destroy each other.
The only reason why they picked a fight with Whitebeard is because he was coming to them, not the other way around... They were able to prepare for him, completely and the fact that they had a hostage to save their ass was beneficial.
Those are threats that the WG will not bother dealing with, let's move on...
- Blackbeard's crew just betrayed them greatly, they have basically everything they want and escaped with it all. However, they are moving and running away, they're powerful people on the move and their destination isn't pleasant; NW. If the WG spent all that time chasing after a man that could "become" Yonkou later and be weaker in the future, rather than now… Dealing with him now will only take time and waste resources chasing after them, and due to the unknown details, the WG will be chasing a ghost at best.
- Luffy's crew is the same as Blackbeard's crew, they can only guess where they'll be heading and wouldn't have much room to act against him when he gets to the New World… So, again, it'll be pointless to chase them when they have little to nothing to even catch him. It'll be like how Smoker chases after Luffy and never catches up with him.
- The Impel Down escapees are the same, since they are criminals, they'll be running around doing stuff… The WG will waste more time dealing with them, then having to deal with all the others around.
- The newbies, since the WG controls pretty much all of the Early Entry of the Grand Line, they'll eventually meet up with these guys and have them in their grasps, allowing them to easily handle these pirates that are coming up from nowhere.
So, this is what this means: all of these targets aren't in a known stationary location, they migrate all over the place…
Now, let's examine Amazon Lilly:
- 6 days away from WG's main headquarters, and would be against the WG with a known relationship to Dragon's son, plus the main rebel himself… With this, leaving them safe is like asking Dragon's Son to use this island as a base to launch revenge against the WG, or rebel against them...
- Secretive and completely unknown, they're existence could be menacing even more and they could be building up their armies, but the WG couldn't attack them because of these "So-called" threats you expect. Nonetheless, if in due time, they build up their forces that could allow them to rival the WG itself, that's a big fucking mistake.
- They are in a single known location that is their base, they are stationary. The WG wouldn't have to find them or chase after them, they know where they are…
- The fact that they are all pirates and a nation that has notoriety throughout the world; destroying them will give them a massive boost in morale, and overall support.
- The trade that they would lose if they left them alone would also diminish completely, their economy would be greater and more effective which would affect how they would target the "other" problems you mention.
- Resources and spoils earned from the attack: they would gain a lot if they enslaved them and also if they set an example of them.
So, no matter how you look at it, the Amazon Lily nation is stationary, never moves, and is full of gold if they are attacked and killed by reason of Hancock's betrayal.
Leaving them will only make the WG look like buffoons. Hope you see the difference, and I do hope you book your ass a seat with OneManCollectiblez in his shitty preschool class, cause your ass needs it!
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
Coming from you I can't agree.
The when doesn't matter. Once they know the situation it WILL happen. Also it doesn't change the fact that what brennen's been saying about Hancock not knowing the WG's priorities so she'd still be leaving her country to die knowing that eventually they will be attacked.
I'm not going to further indulge your poor example. There's multiple threats out there. Brownbeard has taken over one of WB's territory. Prior to the war that place has always been WB's terrirtory. The marines never attacked and tried to liberate them from WB before all that has changed is the person running shit there. Like a country changing dictators. IMO the threat of a pirate nation, a nation of criminals is more of a threat than the island Brownbeard is temporarily controlling.Hancock isn't trapped at all. She hasn't expressed any desire to join the SHs. She hasn't even said anythuing to the effwect that she wants to be with Luffy forever. Luffy hasn't hinted in anyway that he wants her on her crew but Hancok has said she wants to keep her shichi status and we all know she likes being empress. Even in the event that she got found out and AL was attacked why wouldn't she stay with her ppl and fight to be independent of the WG and maintain their lifestyle of piracy?
You Hancock supporters keep opting for the scenario where she puts herself in a fucked up position and decided not to do the right thing and have no reasonable solution for it and no stall untilt he manga ends(or leave them alone for now) is not reasoable and is illogical from the WG's perspective.
Hahah so i guess you play Oda for knowing that.
Why in Gods sake do we know so MUCH about her (we have all ingredients for her being a crewmember) if she will just stay on her own island and be a shibukai???
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doesn't matter what marines believe.
the treaty is there for only ONE reason. Hancock is a warlord. If she is no longer a warlord then treaty is gone. Doesn't matter if Amazon Lily disownes Hancock, unless they can replace Hancock as a Warlord then the treaty is void and they are prone to be attacked when the WG wants.
don't know about that one. The only reason the WG threatens the Isle of Women is because they wanted to keep the pirate empress and her Kuja pirates in check and to have something that would ensure Boa didn't leave her job as a warlord. Now, if the Kuja ship is stolen they firstly haven't got any way of the island so they are no thread and secondly, if they show in some way they don't follow the pirate empress and do not except her leadership, the WG will have no reason the kill the amazons.
The WG do probably not know about Boa's deceit yet but Smoker will surely point out she protected Luffy, that and the fact that she issued a battleship to go after Luffy. The WG is not stupid. Helping Luffy has already endangered, if not obliterated, her Shichibukai-status and my believe is that Marines will come. At this point in time they just seem to have there hands full and if they come I think Boa and Luffy make a run for it and this is when the show starts without Boa knowing about it.Anyway, not saying this would happen though. I just think some people are to quick in saying she can not join because Oda can do this in any number of ways knowing him. I still think she should't join because of her strength and her interaction with the crew, which will be hilarious at first but tiring later on unless she changes substantially
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if she will just stay on her own island and be a shibukai???
Who said she is going to be staying on her island. She's probably going to the new world.
Just not as a strawhat.
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Hahah so i guess you play Oda for knowing that.
Why in Gods sake do we know so MUCH about her (we have all ingredients for her being a crewmember) if she will just stay on her own island and be a shibukai???
Reading this in a different time period I guess this would be a great question for why Vivi would just stay with her country and be a princess.
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Hancock supporters have made it so Agog has never looked so good.
Great job.
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Who said she is going to be staying on her island. She's probably going to the new world.
Just not as a strawhat.
well hope she would be the 4th yonkou than. Thats the only thing I am willing to except after so much Boa stuff we got.
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I go off for a bit and i miss like 5 pages..gah..
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Hahah so i guess you play Oda for knowing that.
He plays oda to have read your posts? I'll admit, your posts are awful, but it doesn't take Oda level awesomeness to sit through them.
Why in Gods sake do we know so MUCH about her.(we have all ingredients for her being a crewmember)
We don't know that much about her, and the only thing she has that is nakama like is a sad past.
if she will just stay on her own island and be a shibukai???
She's pretty much in the exact situation as Vivi. A good friend of the strawhats but she has other responsibilities and can't go with them.
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well hope she would be the 4th yonkou than. Thats the only thing I am willing to except after so much Boa stuff we got.
No, she won't be a fourth emperor.
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Hahah so i guess you play Oda for knowing that.
Why in Gods sake do we know so MUCH about her (we have all ingredients for her being a crewmember) if she will just stay on her own island and be a shibukai???
We know stuff about Hancock because she is a Warlord not some random chick.
Croc will have his backstory, Kuma will have his backstory, Mihawk, will have his backstory, Dofa will have his backstory, Jimbei will have his backstory and even that fat pig Moria.
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What is this "so much Boa stuff" you talk about?
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the things he writes in his fanfics.
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
Reading this in a different time period I guess this would be a great question for why Vivi would just stay with her country and be a princess.
Yeah good 1. But it was her (Oda's) decision for leaving the crew. Boa on the other hand showed real intrest.
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Yeah good 1. But it was her (Oda's) decision for leaving the crew. Boa on the other hand showed real intrest.
Hancock has not once showed interest in joining the crew.
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Hancock has never even met the crew.
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Is Hancock even aware of the crew?
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hancock
surprisingly fitting avatar. A man which head is about to roll… Fandrooling here making us facepalm on multiple levels.
This has an odd smell...
