Next Crewmate Discussion (Vol. 4)
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I agree with Connard
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Jimbei has much more going for him than Hancock.
His backstory with the fishmen pirates,
How is that any better than Hancock's with the Kuja? With Hancock we at least know that she has a sad past. We don't know that with Jinbei.
his promise to Ace,
Which was vague and he barely even committed to it. The promise was to watch over Luffy in ace's stead. Ace never joined the crew, why would Jinbei need to.
he's already been stripped of his shichibukai title, if he joins he won't put his entire people at risk,
K
he doesn't have King's haki like Luffy.
Not even relevant.
He's a fishman
K
and not another insanely hot chick.
Not even relevant.
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Jimbei has much more going for him than Hancock.
His backstory with the fishmen pirates, his promise to Ace, he's already been stripped of his shichibukai title, if he joins he won't put his entire people at risk, he doesn't have King's haki like Luffy.
He's a fishman and not another insanely hot chick.
It's not even close.
Yes thats really true. Plus in the anime his attacks re pretty UBER awesome:P. Only downside is his Character he seems really Boring. Maybe hes kInda like a Vivi.
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Only downside is his Character he seems really Boring.
Which is the biggest reason I'm not supporting him more. I do like Jinbei, but his personality is forgetable. He has a great look and kickass powers, but it's been 55 chapters and his personality has not evolved a bit. He's full of honor, wants to protect his country and allies, is a good person… and that's all.
When imagine him with the Strawhats, while everyone is saying dumb things, making facefaults, preparing for adventure or just having a fun time, I can only think of him as just there in a corner with his usual calm and serious face, making small side comments about the situation.
One of the things that made me Hancock's fan was her interaction with Magellan and Hannyabal. She was featured very well in a comedic situation while still furthering the main plot. All three of them had great personalities that interacted very well.
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When imagine him with the Strawhats, while everyone is saying dumb things, making facefaults, preparing for adventure or just having a fun time, I can only think of him as just there in a corner with his usual calm and serious face, making small side comments about the situation.
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AGOG:
if perona joins i'll quit reading one piece for a year.
if hancock joins you'll quit reading one piece for a year.sounds good?
Alright…:ninja:
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When imagine him with the Strawhats, while everyone is saying dumb things, making facefaults, preparing for adventure or just having a fun time, I can only think of him as just there in a corner with his usual calm and serious face, making small side comments about the situation.
I won't lie. You gave the perfect excuse to post this.
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[qimg]http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1080/jinbei01.jpg[/qimg]
I'm not saying he will never make any facefault. But, by the way he's been handled so far, he making funny faces almost border on out-of-character.
I mean, re-read chapters 545 to 549, which feature them escaping from Impel Down, Bon Chan being left behind and finally they going to battle. Look at Luffy's, Buggy's and even Crocodile's faces during these chapters, then compare Jinbei's.
He finds Magellan is asking to battleships to leave…
He attacks the marine ships...
He summons the sharks...
He tells Luffy about Bon Chan...
He leads the boat towards Marineford...And yet his face doesn't change a single time. It doesn't matter if his dialogue indicates he's surprised, worried, angry, confident or sad... His expression is always the same. At most, he closes or opens his mouth slightly or has eyes clear, shaded or closed.
So far he had around 3 panels with strong emotions (crying for Ace, crying for Luffy, that surprised face you posted) plus one scene of him smiling (in a colorspread).
I don't doubt things could change in the future, but I don't see his personality going 180 and he becoming suddenly much more expressive.
@Fire Priest:
I won't lie. You gave the perfect excuse to post this.
I lol'ed. Thanks!
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I'm not saying he will never make any facefault. But, by the way he's been handled so far, he making funny faces almost border on out-of-character.
I mean, re-read chapters 545 to 549, which feature them escaping from Impel Down, Bon Chan being left behind and finally they going to battle. Look at Luffy's, Buggy's and even Crocodile's faces during these chapters, then compare Jinbei's.
He finds Magellan is asking to battleships to leave…
He attacks the marine ships...
He summons the sharks...
He tells Luffy about Bon Chan...
He leads the boat towards Marineford...And yet his face doesn't change a single time. It doesn't matter if his dialogue indicates he's surprised, worried, angry, confident or sad... His expression is always the same. At most, he closes or pens his mouth slightly or has eyes clear, shaded or closed.
So far he had around 3 panels with strong emotions (crying for Ace, crying for Luffy, that surprised face you posted) plus one scene of him smiling (in a colorspread).
I don't doubt things could change in the future, but I don't see his personality going 180 and he becoming suddenly much more expressive.
Jimbei has made more "funny" faces than Robin has ever.
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@Uncle:
Jimbei has made more "funny" faces than Robin has ever.
Robin smiles quietly and laughs from dumb things. She did not have any super-exagerated facefaults, that's true, but her expression is very fluid and changes a lot.
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Jinbei should have taken lessons from Luffy on how to be funny and not serious during the war.
Wait…
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Robin smiles quietly and laughs from dumb things. She did not have any super-exagerated facefaults, that's true, but her expression is very fluid and changes a lot.
It goes like this: calm > smile > calm > smile > calm, etc.
If that is the basis for having fluid expressions then Jimbei also has fluid expressions.
Going like: calm > shocked/moved/crying > calm > shocked/moved/crying, etc.
Jimbei is a fairly serious person so it makes sense that he hasn't had many funny points during this war (see Crocodile who's even worse). But he has shown that he at least has a personality somewhere. Under better settings, I'm sure we can see him in a more comedic light and it would not impede on his character. At the very least, it seems more probable for him to be in a comedic situation than Robin.
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Jinbei should have taken lessons from Luffy on how to be funny and not serious during the war.
Wait…
Why do you think I pointed those chapters? THere's worry, battle and a calm before the storm. During these chapters, others laugh, cry and get serious.
Also, look here: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/572/02-03/
Luffy saves Ace. Everyone shows some kind of emotion. Look at Jinbei's face.If an actor were to play Jinbei, Keany Reaves would be perfect…
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@Deicide - Perhaps whalesharks can't grin or smile, and their faces are permanently serious :ninja:
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Why do you think I pointed those chapters? THere's worry, battle and a calm before the storm. During these chapters, others laugh, cry and get serious.
Also, look here: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/572/02-03/
Luffy saves Ace. Everyone shows some kind of emotion. Look at Jinbei's face.If an actor were to play Jinbei, Keany Reaves would be perfect…
Great example! Thanks to that page, Jimbei's ability to smile is confirmed. Thank you, good sir. Look at the glee on that young fishman's face! Marvelous.
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Why do you think I pointed those chapters? THere's worry, battle and a calm before the storm. During these chapters, others laugh, cry and get serious.
Also, look here: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/572/02-03/
Luffy saves Ace. Everyone shows some kind of emotion. Look at Jinbei's face.If an actor were to play Jinbei, Keany Reaves would be perfect…
Looks like he's smiling to me? I don't get it.
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Which is the biggest reason I'm not supporting him more. I do like Jinbei, but his personality is forgetable. He has a great look and kickass powers, but it's been 55 chapters and his personality has not evolved a bit. He's full of honor, wants to protect his country and allies, is a good person… and that's all.
When imagine him with the Strawhats, while everyone is saying dumb things, making facefaults, preparing for adventure or just having a fun time, I can only think of him as just there in a corner with his usual calm and serious face, making small side comments about the situation.
One of the things that made me Hancock's fan was her interaction with Magellan and Hannyabal. She was featured very well in a comedic situation while still furthering the main plot. All three of them had great personalities that interacted very well.
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Do Jinbei fans/supporters think he's going to turn in to Jim Carrey when they make it to Gyojin island or something?
Given the current situation of the NW Oda's probably only giving us serious Jinbei from here on out. I mean if you haven't noticed things have just gotten worse for him. The man he's indebted to is dead and can no longer protect his ppl for him along with someone he considered a friend is dead. Most likely while he's watching over Luffy, tending to his wounds on AL his ppl are being raped, robbed, kidnapped and killed as chaos ensues.
Now I'm not saying he won't get some depth to his personality but I doubt it'll be of the carefree, jovial, jokey kind, nor do I think he'll get some quirky gimmicky catchphrases or gags by the time they make it there.
LOL @ Jinbei facial expression not changing analyzation tho. That was just too AGOG like.
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
Do Jinbei fans/supporters think he's going to turn in to Jim Carrey when they make it to Gyojin island or something?
No, of course not. That'd be stupid.
We're trying for Chico Marx Straightman-humor, however.
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@Cyan:
No, of course not. That'd be stupid.
We're trying for Chico Marx Straightman-humor, however.
Hmmmm, I can see it (only if he joined). One helluva a twist/surprise by Oda if he did.
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
Do Jinbei fans/supporters think he's going to turn in to Jim Carrey when they make it to Gyojin island or something?
Given the current situation of the NW Oda's probably only giving us serious Jinbei from here on out. I mean if you haven't noticed things have just gotten worse for him. The man he's indebted to is dead and can no longer protect his ppl for him along with someone he considered a friend is dead. Most likely while he's watching over Luffy, tending to his wounds on AL his ppl are being raped, robbed, kidnapped and killed as chaos ensues.
Now I'm not saying he won't get some depth to his personality but I doubt it'll be of the carefree, jovial, jokey kind, nor do I think he'll get some quirky gimmicky catchphrases or gags by the time they make it there.
LOL @ Jinbei facial expression not changing analyzation tho. That was just too AGOG like.
If Jimbei joined, I think he would be funny in moments that calls for it (like in the comic strip I just posted). He might have some face-faults ever now and then. But, his seriousness would give Robin someone to talk to while the others clown around during parties.
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Every time we've gotten a new crewmate, they've always been the center of the arc in which they join. Zoro was Captain Morgan; Ussop was Kuro; Sanji, Baratie; Nami, Arlong; Chopper, Drum Island; Franky, Water Seven; Robin, Enies Lobby; Brooke, Thriller Bark. All of them have been the center of their own arc.
I mainly say this, because Perona and Jinbei haven't gotten any of this yet. If Perona was going to have any hint of joining, there would of been parts of that dropped during Thriller Bark, similar to how we got hints of Robin's dream and past at the end of Arabasta. Right now, were back in Amazon Lily and a new story arc. I find that quite interesting…
Eh? Wait, the center of an arc in general, the center of an arc before they joined, or the center of the arc they first appeared in?
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Well he doesn't need to be Jim Kerry, look at Zoro. It's not like he's always there rolling out the jokes. His humor comes from his ignorance to others and his competitive edge. Jinbei's jokes don't have to come from him being a standup comedian. All he really needs is a somewhat funny quirk or two to fit in with the crew.
And it's not even impossible that he could turn out to be a hilarious guy. As the Jinbei supporters constantly point out, he hasn't exactly been in the most hilarious arc of the series. It's not like a seemingly straightlaced (I thought this was a word but spell check thinks otherwise), serious character has turned out to be a joke. Franky and Duvall, crime bosses just like Jinbei, gave off the impression of being tough guys not to be messed with, and they both turned out to be pretty gay.
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@Cyan:
No, of course not. That'd be stupid.
We're trying for Chico Marx Straightman-humor, however.
"You can't fool me, there is no Sanity Clause!"
- A Night at the Opera
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"You can't fool me, there is no Sanity Clause!"
- A Night at the Opera
"I will protect the password! EVEN IF IT COSTS MY LIFE!"
"So what's the password?"
"Swordfish"
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16 chars of Horsefeathers
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Considering this spread has Croc, Mr. 1, and Crab-chan in character (serious), I don't see why Jinbei's depiction in this should be considered anything but in character as well.
It's not even impossible that he could turn out to be a hilarious guy. As the Jinbei supporters constantly point out, he hasn't exactly been in the most hilarious arc of the series. Franky and Duvall, crime bosses just like Jinbei, gave off the impression of being tough guys not to be messed with, and they both turned out to be pretty gay.
^^ Yeah, while I would normally never use a colorspread to form an argument, I cannot help but believe Oda chose to depict all the characters in that colorspread as anything but in character. Basically, that's Oda's interpretation of the characters' personalities under normal circumstances. Why would Oda draw his own characters out of character?
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@Fire Priest:
If Jimbei joined, I think he would be funny in moments that calls for it (like in the comic strip I just posted). He might have some face-faults ever now and then. But, his seriousness would give Robin someone to talk to while the others clown around during parties.
Have you NOT seen all of the RobinxZoro hentai?
As far as Jinbei not being funny or entertaining now and basically boring it's just a reason most ppl don't like or support him. Then there's the things he does that are repetitive or annoying to some. To many he just does not seem SH-like. Ofcourse if he's already on the crew after an arc or so Oda can slip in some small quirk like he's done with Robin and her straight faced cruel tendencies or just magically make some deficiency appear that wasn't there before like he did with Zoro. I mean the always getting lost and not being the brightest guy are the only things I like about Zoro anyway.
@ctarlong910:Well he doesn't need to be Jim Kerry, look at Zoro. It's not like he's always there rolling out the jokes. His humor comes from his ignorance to others and his competitive edge. Jinbei's jokes don't have to come from him being a standup comedian. All he really needs is a somewhat funny quirk or two to fit in with the crew.
I thought the sarcastic hyperbolic statement would've been apparent.
I guess not.
And it's not even impossible that he could turn out to be a hilarious guy. As the Jinbei supporters constantly point out, he hasn't exactly been in the most hilarious arc of the series. It's not like a seemingly straightlaced (I thought this was a word but spell check thinks otherwise), serious character has turned out to be a joke. Franky and Duvall, crime bosses just like Jinbei, gave off the impression of being tough guys not to be messed with, and they both turned out to be pretty gay.
I thought the rest of my post explained why this probably wouldn't happen.
I guess you didn't read that part?
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
As far as Jinbei not being funny or entertaining now and basically boring it's just a reason most ppl don't like or support him. Then there's the things he does that are repetitive or annoying to some. To many he just does not seem SH-like. Ofcourse if he's already on the crew after an arc or so Oda can slip in some small quirk like he's done with Robin and her straight faced cruel tendencies or just magically make some deficiency appear that wasn't there before like he did with Zoro. I mean the always getting lost and not being the brightest guy are the only things I like about Zoro anyway.
Never thought I would ever fully agree with you (we always butt heads too much when arguing), but this entire paragraph is so full of truth I can't deny a single word. That's exactly my point.
All I'm saying is that Jinbei's personality has been underwhelming so far. I'm not saying it will remain so forever.
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Anyone ever stop and think that maybe Oda might want to get a serious person like Jinbei in the crew?
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Anyone ever stop and think that maybe Oda might want to get a serious person like Jinbei in the crew?
Robin isn't serious enough? Zoro isn't? Dude's been trying his best to be a stern/by the "book" pirate and by that I hope everybody knows what parts in the manga I'm referring to.
Just saying. Not that this specific topic is the make it or break it concern for Jinbei joining or not. I'd figure maybe Oda would want a legitimate badass on the crew (and that's not Jinbei).
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Ill be honest Zoro isnt all that serious of a character, Robin I wouldn't say is serious but I do say she is calm.
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Eh? Wait, the center of an arc in general, the center of an arc before they joined, or the center of the arc they first appeared in?
The potential crewmate in question usually has some important role to play in the arc, sometimes there the center of story. Nami for Arlong and Robin for Lobby, but for mostly they have something that is overall significant to the current situation, Brook and his shadow for example.
I say this before, because in the case of Perona, it would be really strange to have the crew get back together and then have to backtrack just to give Perona the screentime and development any of the other SHs have gotten. Hancock needs some of this, but like Robin before her, she has gotten bits and pieces fed to us, so it's more managable, while we haven't gotten to Fishman Island yet, and that would be Jinbei's, or any fishmen's chance to join the crew.
For Perona, it just seems like Oda would have to take a huge step backwards in terms of story pacing.
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Ill be honest Zoro isnt all that serious of a character, Robin I wouldn't say is serious but I do say she is calm.
I'm guessing when you say serious you mean the tight ass that doesn't know how to have a good time?
@Halfmetal-lich:The potential crewmate in question usually has some important role to play in the arc, sometimes there the center of story. Nami for Arlong and Robin for Lobby, but for mostly they have something that is overall significant to the current situation, Brook and his shadow for example.
I say this before, because in the case of Perona, it would be really strange to have the crew get back together and then have to backtrack just to give Perona the screentime and development any of the other SHs have gotten. Hancock needs some of this, but like Robin before her, she has gotten bits and pieces fed to us, so it's more managable, while we haven't gotten to Fishman Island yet, and that would be Jinbei's, or any fishmen's chance to join the crew.
For Perona, it just seems like Oda would have to take a huge step backwards in terms of story pacing.
I happen to remember AGOG's response to this so lets save another 3 pages of retarded arguing.
"DURR DURR MAYBE PERONA'S HOME ISLAND IS IN THE NEW WORLD DURR!" or just imagine some other baseless speculation where her character development doesn't require backtracking but actually moves the story forward. Give AGOG the chance and he'll probably say Perona could've been a slave too or she's part mermaid or she's the prodigal daughter of Big Mom or some other nonsensical bs.
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Anyone ever stop and think that maybe Oda might want to get a serious person like Jinbei in the crew?
Serious is not fun, it's just plain.
Zoro is serious… and yet he's arrogant, overly confident, lazy, drinks booze, don't have sense of direction, blames others for his own incompetence ("where the heck are those guys? What a nuisance") and butt heads with Sanji. Those are the things that make him a fun character.
And Robin is serious and quiet, I'll grant you that. The fun about her is exactly when she goes and do something unexpected, like refusing to participate in the "Big Emperor" robot tactic, grabbing Franky's balls, helping Luffy impersonate Chopper or other rare times... It's exactly because she's so different that she meshes well with the crew.
However, I fail to see why we would need another character that is just too serious and quiet as well. I don't think Oda's wanting to recycle personalities, so if Jinbei joins, he will probably get some more interesting quirks and gimmicks, though it will never be a complete 180 from what we have today.
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I'm guessing when you say serious you mean the tight ass that doesn't know how to have a good time?
yea pretty much and I have seen both Robin and Zoro do that just not wildly
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Jinbei seems to be great character for an ALLY to the straw hats, but not just as a crewmate, and Oda usually gets the quirks of a character out rather fast when they are introduced, so we may be seeing all that Jinbei is.
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Another thing is that there was/is a war going on and alot of other stuff it's really not surprising for Jinbei to be serious in this situation, heck even Luffy was serious for the most part.
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Another thing is that there was/is a war going on and alot of other stuff it's really not surprising for Jinbei to be serious in this situation, heck even Luffy was serious for the most part.
There was still some funny moments, mostly in Impel down though. Luffy freaking out when he got the candle upgrade for example.
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yea pretty much and I have seen both Robin and Zoro do that just not wildly
Completely un-SH-like. Nobody wants such a fucking lame boring character in the crew, not even Oda. Yeah I said it.
Not to mention some Jinbei supporters have even went out of their way with color spread evidence to say Oda drew a smiling Jinbei under normal circumstances in character or do you think that color spread depicts some type of What If universe where Luffy joins a band of samurai and that accounts for a Jinbei with a completely polar opposite personality (facial expression).
@Ryuunaga:Another thing is that there was/is a war going on and alot of other stuff it's really not surprising for Jinbei to be serious in this situation, heck even Luffy was serious for the most part.
Like I've already said the war is over but that does not mean the trend of serious arcs are over. Just a couple chaps ago Oda took time to show panels of how the entire world has changed after WB's death, specifically a WB territory being taken over. I don't see how you couldn't see the foreshadowing of gloom for other WB territories, specifically the next destination for the SHs aka Jinbei's home aka the only reason he felt indebted to WB aka Gyojin island aka they're all in a shitty position.
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Another thing is that there was/is a war going on and alot of other stuff it's really not surprising for Jinbei to be serious in this situation, heck even Luffy was serious for the most part.
Personality does not just mean "funny gags". Oda could have given him an specific pattern of speech, more catchphrases, battle quirks, inner conflicts, characteristics such as arrogance, fears, forbidden actions, pity for enemies, whatever… things like that.
Zoro puts his bandana or talks smiling in the face of death: that's part of his personality. Luffy smiles and cracks his fingers: personality. Sanji talks about cooking and serving the enemy and never uses his hands; Brook has the knightly chivalry thing...
The lack of such things in 55 chapters of exposure, even if there were no "funny" moments, is glaring.
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
Completely un-SH-like. Nobody wants such a fucking lame boring character in the crew, not even Oda. Yeah I said it.
Because Zoro and Robin had us all rolling when they were first introduced. Right?
Not to mention some Jinbei supporters have even went out of their way with color spread evidence to say Oda drew a smiling Jinbei under normal circumstances in character or do you think that color spread depicts some type of What If universe where Luffy joins a band of samurai and that accounts for a Jinbei with a completely polar opposite personality (facial expression).
Every other character in that colorspread is in character, why do you presume that Oda would depict Jinbei out of character? And as far as I can remember few colorspreads have ever depicted anybody as being out of character other than attire.
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Deicide what you said makes sense I can agree with that
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Robin is the real wild card when it comes to personality, imo.
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Because Zoro and Robin had us all rolling when they were first introduced. Right?
Are you not understanding what type of character he's suggesting Oda wants on the crew? He's saying a serious (all the time) doesn't have fun during parties, and is a flat out tight ass is what Oda might want. No interesting or funny things added later. Are you not following the discussion and quoting any sentences that you think you don't agree with?
Every other character in that colorspread is in character, why do you presume that Oda would depict Jinbei out of character? And as far as I can remember few colorspreads have ever depicted anybody as being out of character other than attire.
I'm convinced you're comprehension skills are that of an aardvark's. I don't know how you can ask me those questions after reading what you quoted other than you simply do not understand the context or what I was replying to at all.
Where do I say I think the characters are not depicted in character? Do you not see what I'm doing in that post?
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Deicide: If you didn't add it already..for that long post about the quirks and catch phrases for Jinbei, Hancock and Perona, you can add. "Love is a hurricane." for Hancock, if you haven't already.
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Are you not following the discussion and quoting any sentences that you think you don't agree with?
Na it would just make more pointless arguments and I already see where you guys are coming from with the Jinbei being too serious for the crew stuff now.
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Deicide: If you didn't add it already..for that long post about the quirks and catch phrases for Jinbei, Hancock and Perona, you can add. "Love is a hurricane." for Hancock, if you haven't already.
Thanks! I'll put that and post a remade version soon. Hancock and Perona got some rework, though Jinbei's pretty much the same. I'll post it when I do Cammie (just for fun).
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Na it would just make more pointless arguments and I already see where you guys are coming from with the Jinbei being too serious for the crew stuff now.
Are you on two accounts? Cuz if not that wasn't directed towards you.