Yeah indeed wtf, translator clearly doesn't even follow OP.
Whitebeard will always be my Pirate King. :wub:
Yeah indeed wtf, translator clearly doesn't even follow OP.
Whitebeard will always be my Pirate King. :wub:
Notice that Lafitte just grew a few feet to match the other BB pirates.
**He obviously wasn't strong enough without the fruits. Don't ever recall saying he wasn't strong, I know he was.
It's common sense. If he was already a Yonkou level fighter before he ate the darkness fruit, there would have been no reason for Oda to give him two DFs like he did. The darkness fruit should have been enough to boost him up. Obviously it's the combination of both these fruits that is going to put BB on top.**
He's physically strong, he can dish out devastating punches. There's the fruits, but there's also a strong person behind it.
Blackbeard is the type of guy you watch out for, not because he's powerful but because he's a schemer. You be your best friend, then stab you in the back and take everything from you. That is why he's dangerous, that is why Shanks and others were so weary of him.
People were saying he was a top-tier even before gaining the darkness fruit, but that is obviously not the case. He wasn't even a top-tier with the darkness fruit judging by his measly performance against Whitebeard. Now, with the powers of the quake fruit he probably qualifies but to say he's automatically the absolute strongest in the world 3 seconds after gaining Whitebeard's fruit is one big giant assumption with no backing. That's what I'm getting at, saying he's really fucking strong now is one thing. Saying he's on the level of legends without even practicing with his new power is pushing it.
How many times have myself and others argued this with you? Shanks made a point to say that BB didn't attack him underhandedly, Shanks even said that he wasn't caught off guard. Pure denial. He was warning WB not only for Ace but to warn Whitebeard in general to lay off Teach.
That was really… WOW. Mind has been blown. Two devil fruits?!?!!?! WTF!!!
Rayleigh … good to see him doing well :D
The absolute best of this part: Rayleigh crying over WB's death. That was really..beautiful to see.
Well duh.
Dragon is "the world's most dangerous man" since he DIRECTLY OPPOSES the world government.
That's nothing to do with who's strongest.
You should learn something. In a manga like this, strength is the most important thing. If Dragon is the most wanted, and if his relevance to the story is so big due to being Luffy's father, then he is by definition the strongest in the world. Do not ilude yourself.
Also, he's able to create storms. He has potential to possess the most destructive power in the manga.
Just finished reading the chapter, and I don't really like how they used Age instead of Era. Its nothing big, but still..
You should learn something. In a manga like this, strength is the most important thing. If Dragon is the most wanted, and if his relevance to the story is so big due to being Luffy's father, then he is by definition the strongest in the world. Do not ilude yourself.
Also, he's able to create storms. He has potential to possess the most destructive power in the manga.
@Stephen's:
[Strongest Man in the World]
[The Great Pirate "Whitebeard"]
[Edward Newgate]
Who's deluding who now? Or iluding.
He's physically strong, he can dish out devastating punches. There's the fruits, but there's also a strong person behind it.
I never said otherwise. I was only saying that without his fruits he wasn't a top-tier. I never said he wasn't monstrously strong even without his fruits.
How many times have myself and others argued this with you? Shanks made a point to say that BB didn't attack him underhandedly, Shanks even said that he wasn't caught off guard. Pure denial. He was warning WB not only for Ace but to warn Whitebeard in general to lay off Teach.
I don't know, you guys just never get the hint. Yes, he was warning Whitebeard to lay of Teach because Teach is the type of guy you watch for. Even if he's not much now, he'll climb his way to the top through whatever means possible. That does not mean he was a top-tier before eating the darkness fruit, in fact everything suggests otherwise. He needed all this because he wasn't strong enough without them.Shanks words were proven true when Teach used underhanded methods to gain the enormous power he has now. He wasn't dangerous because he was strong, but because he can become strong with his own means.
Who's deluding who now?
Well, not anymore. And WB may the the strongest, but the fact that he was not the most wanted seems to indicate that the strength difference between Dragon and WB isn't as big as… let's say, WB and Akainu, or WB and BB.
Um, the run around? The reach around is pretty different than what I think you mean…
No, I meant what I said. He's "yanking our chain" if you know what I mean. ^_-
Just finished reading the chapter, and I don't really like how they used Age instead of Era. Its nothing big, but still..
As usual their translation was a bit sketchy. I laughed so hard at "shit-for-brains".
I interpret Marcos little comment there basicly to confirm the double or tripple bodyed Blackbeard. Being able to have two devil fruits is not linked to him having the Darkness fruit and somehow surpress the other fruit(s) but rather that there is enogh space fro two or three devils in him. Bunny zoan is still possible. Sadly this also means that his powerup will be permanent. Just a burst of haki alone won't help Luffy fighting this monster. He has to find Balckbeards weaknesses.
I never said otherwise. I was only saying that without his fruits he wasn't a top-tier. I never said he wasn't monstrously strong even without his fruits.
Without fruits, many people in this manga aren't "top-tier". He's abit slow physically and cocky other than that his base stats are top-tier.
Lol @ Shiryuu - 'If he fails, are we gonna split up…?'
Shiryu would backstab BB if that meant getting catarina for himself.
@Sir:
Notice that Lafitte just grew a few feet to match the other BB pirates.
I think he was already this tall in ID :
Dragon is obviously a beast. Most wanted and strongest may not be the same, but to the the most wanted you obviously have to be very strong.
Without fruits, many people in this manga aren't "top-tier". He's abit slow physically and cocky other than that his base stats are top-tier.
Prove it.
16 chars of SUGOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Thank you Aohige n the rest of the team <3 you've done a tight job as usual
I'll say it again
ZEHAHAHHAHAHA @ the all ppl saying there wouldn't be some way to be a 2 DF user
As usual their translation was a bit sketchy. I laughed so hard at "shit-for-brains".
I thought that was hilarious.
Well, not anymore. And WB may the the strongest, but the fact that he was not the most wanted seems to indicate that the strength difference between Dragon and WB isn't as big as… let's say, WB and Akainu, or WB and BB.
Oh please, don't try changing your point mid stream.
You said:
You should learn something. In a manga like this, strength is the most important thing. If Dragon is the most wanted, and if his relevance to the story is so big due to being Luffy's father, then he is by definition the strongest in the world. Do not ilude yourself.
He was not the strongest man while Newgate was alive, but he WAS the most dangerous man to the WG while Newgate was alive. Proving that strongest and most dangerous are not the same as you believe.
So you're wrong.
Once again the fact that the WG would capture Dragon over Teach has nothing to do with their relative strengths, but with their threat level to the WG.
No, I meant what I said. He's "yanking our chain" if you know what I mean. ^_-
Ah, I thought I had caught a Freudian slip when it was really a disgusting pun.
Hm, thoughts…
Lol @ Shiryuu - 'If he fails, are we gonna split up…?'
Couples Therapy?
And to Shit-for-brains: That made me laugh, too. It just really caught me by surprise..
Dragon is obviously a beast. Most wanted and strongest may not be the same, but to the the most wanted you obviously have to be very strong.
I would say he's the strongest right now, not only because he's the most wanted, but because he's Garp's son, and Garp was able to fight WB and Roger as equals in the past. He only needs to be as good as his father was, and that's enough to be the strongest now. It's all in the genes.
Shanks is obviously also up there with the other yokous, the admirals should be below them. With this chapter BB is probably stronger than any admiral, but I assume so are all of the yokous.
blackbeard is just one man with two hearts.
body anormally ftw!
Prove it.
His damage soak is top-tier, proven against Ace and Whitebeard.
His strength was proven with Ace(almost crushing his neck with a half-assed punch). And against Shanks.
Aweeesome! BH is way to powerful now and will kick everyone's ass. And even then, look at the rest of his crew! A BEAST! I wonder what will go on now.
Luffy and company will have a hard time beating these guys =P
Ah, I thought I had caught a Freudian slip when it was really a disgusting pun.
I would blame the forum for my corrupted sense of humor, but apparently I am too self-absorbed and need to reflect on what I have become…
God dammit Oda. You have done it again.
Really amazing chapter.
His damage soak is top-tier, proven against Ace and Whitebeard.
His strength was proven with Ace(almost crushing his neck with a half-assed punch). And against Shanks.
**I'll give you the damage soak.
Ace is a top-tier and we don't know when he fought Shanks.**
Probably Pisaro has the ability to turn metal into weapons (machinegun) or tools (drill)
Oh please, don't try changing your point mid stream.
You said:
He was not the strongest man while Newgate was alive, but he WAS the most dangerous man to the WG while Newgate was alive. Proving that strongest and most dangerous are not the same as you believe.
So you're wrong.
Once again the fact that the WG would capture Dragon over Teach has nothing to do with their relative strengths, but with their threat level to the WG.
You failed to see that I mentioned other stuff, not only the fact that he was the most wanted, but also his importance to the story by being Luffy's father. WB could be the strongest man for all I care, but if both Dragon and WB fought, Dragon would be the winner because he's far more precious than WB to the story. And that's the reason no one should be able to contend with Dragon after WB's dead with Garp as the exception.
Shanks words were proven true when Teach used underhanded methods to gain the enormous power he has now. He wasn't dangerous because he was strong, but because he can become strong with his own means.
Of course he was dangerous because he was strong. He scared Shanks without being scared himself. If he had been weak, he would not have been dangerous, even with the potential to become strong, because Ace would have kicked his ass.
well i'm pretty sure everyone knows but i'll post it here anyways
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/577-69/2
EDIT: so i was pretty much 90% sure jinbei for nakama wouldn't happen but it looks like it will
You failed to see that I mentioned other stuff, not only the fact that he was the most wanted, but also his importance to the story by being Luffy's father. WB could be the strongest man for all I care, but if both Dragon and WB fought, Dragon would be the winner because he's far more precious than WB to the story. And that's the reason no one should be able to contend with Dragon after WB's dead with Garp as the exception.
Well you've conceded the factual merits and the rest is just fanfic garbage that I couldn't care less about, so sure, why not.
I would blame the forum for my corrupted sense of humor, but apparently I am too self-absorbed and need to reflect on what I have become…
I used to be a nice guy before I started coming here.
I'd say that Marco's line points heavily to something besides the Yami Yami no mi allowing Blackbeard to have two fruits, Marco said his body isn't normal, if it were just the darkness fruit then Marco could easily just said that the fruit is unusual.
Of course he was dangerous because he was strong. He scarred Shanks without being scarred himself. If he had been weak, he would not have been dangerous even with the potential to become strong because Ace would have kicked his ass.
**Ace is pretty weak compared to people like Whitebeard or Admirals. At least from what's been shown.
And again, we do not know when Teach scarred Shanks. Stop acting as if Teach scarring Shanks when he was a top-tier is confirmed or even likely. The side of Shanks face where the scars were supposed to be was covered in a few flashbacks, and his flag has the scars. Unless you think Shanks just randomly changed his flag, it seems likely he was scarred quite a while back.**
blackbeard is just one man with two hearts.
body anormally ftw!
Funny you should say that after Whitebeard had a chapter called, "One Man, One Heart".
I'll give you the damage soak. Ace is a top-tier and we don't know when he fought Shanks.
Shanks: "Whitebeard, don't go after Teach! Look what he did to my beautiful face!! And this wasn't an argument over tea, it was a fair fight!! Granted, I was only 10 years old at the time, but I bet he got a lot stronger just like me!!!" –- is what your post seems to be implying.
I used to be a nice guy before I started coming here.
Didn't we all… didn't we all...
I'll give you the damage soak.
Ace is a top-tier and we don't know when he fought Shanks.
Think for a second, I'll repeat what I said to you last time: why would Shanks point out a wound he received from Teach to the world's strongest man, if at the time it was received Shanks was a weakling? Makes no sense.
Ok so can we say now that Blackbeard has one powerfull ZOan fruit: ( which can explain Shanks scar), a powerfull Logia , and now a powerfull Paramecia.
3 powers, 3 skulls. Sound good.
- Oh god, what's Blackbeard doing to Whitebeard's body under that thing?! I need to go scrub my mind now.
I really didn't need that… runs to scrub mind too
You gotta admire Akainu for his dedication to his job. Sengoku could learn a thing or two from him.
Love how Sengoku and Akainu are all ''Goddammit.'' down there and then we cut to Luffy's :O face.
Sengoku's sure been sitting back doing nothing and more nothing. But somehow, I don't think Akainu's going to be all that dedicated to the "Kill Dragon's Son" cause anymore in this war. Luffy's not much of a threat compared to BB.
Nice chapter. I think Blackbeard is a bit overconfident if he think that a Devil's fruit alone will make him the strongest but still, even so Blackbeard has upped his game. Thankfully. So far I considered his rather medicore. And it looks like Oda is once against setting him a villain especialy suited to Luffy's abilities. I doubt an earthquake would have any effect on rubber
Now what I wonder if Blackberd can absorb more fruits. Cause so far he still has one major weakness. Namely his body. Earthquakes and darkness aren't going to be very useful if Mihawk cuts off his head of Kizaru turns him into swiss cheese with his beams
I wanna give Rayleigh a hug :cwy:
Hm, thoughts…
- Oh god, what's Blackbeard doing to Whitebeard's body under that thing?! I need to go scrub my mind now.
Oh DAMMIT my mind went to the WRONG FUCKING PLACE D:
:ninja: maybe this is why he's an atypical human being…
I was also wondering after reading that BB's body was atypical had to do something with being a D and possibly their powers/Will of D.
**Ace is pretty weak compared to people like Whitebeard or Admirals. At least from what's been shown.
And again, we do not know when Teach scarred Shanks. Stop acting as if Teach scarring Shanks when he was a top-tier is confirmed or even likely. The side of Shanks face where the scars were supposed to be was covered in a few flashbacks, and his flag has the scars. Unless you think Shanks just randomly changed his flag, it seems likely he was scarred quite a while back.**
wait….. but shanks said he gave him the scars didn't he?
PANDAMAN ON THE LAST PAGE http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/577-69/15
Right side, middle right panel
Ace is a top-tier and we don't know when he fought Shanks.
Still impressive.
Shanks incident definitely suggests so, even if it happened right after Roger died.
Well you've conceded the factual merits and the rest is just fanfic garbage that I couldn't care less about, so sure, why not.
Glad you agree. My point was simple, it's not my fault you're not smart enough to understand it.
-WB was said to be the strongest. I always accepted it.
-Dragon was said to be the most wanted.
So, now that WB is dead, Dragon should be the strongest, because to be the most wanted he should be strong. We don't know how much, but we know he can scare people like Smoker and is the son of a guy who could fight with Roger as equals.