Technically, but I mean are they gonna outright change a character's name when it's been spelled in English in the story? And if so, would they keep his verbal ticks the same or translated, or just keep the one with his name and translate the rest?
I don't see why they wouldn't keep the verbal tics, it's not like there hasn't been a precedent for "character who says sound effects" on this side of the pond.
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I don't see why they wouldn't keep the verbal tics, it's not like there hasn't been a precedent for "character who says sound effects" on this side of the pond.
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No, I mean whether they'll keep it as Dosun, Potsun, Bagon, etc., or go with Plip, Biff, Boom, Bah, or something like Dosun, Bada Boom, Krakoom (:P). The fact they'll be there in some form goes without saying.
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Considering that Viz goes through the trouble of editing the sound effects into English, I see absolutely no reason why they wouldn't localize Dossun's verbal tic into something that English speaking readers understand.
@Yuugi's:
It's inconsistent with all of the other non-English language names left alone. We could call Nami 'Wave' and it'd "retain the pun" but nobody would stand for that. Viz's translation and their priorities are a mess. It doesn't do any harm to point this out and oppose them on it.
There's a difference… Nami's name is written in Katakana so it's not supposed to be translated.
As far as I know, "Soge" in Sogeking's name is written in Hiragana and the "king" is written in Katakana. Hiragana is meant to be translated (although there are exceptions in Viz's translation like not translating "Kuma") and Katakana is used for foreign words or words that are supposed to stay as-is. Because of this, I believe "Sniper King" is perfectly acceptable. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong about any of this.
Katakana words are a part of the Japanese Language, even when they represent foreign words. It's still Japanese.
@Yuugi's:
Sogeking is the name. It's a name that mixes Japanese with English. Translating the Japanese defeats the purpose.
Yes, the purpose of a japanese word that we damn well don't understand or won't have roll off our mind as is the point of a pun.
OH SHIT?? SOGEKI??? WITH "NG" AT THE END, LOLOLOLOLOLOL, I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THE WORD SOGEKI THAT WAY!!! BECAUSE I LIVE IN THE UNITED FUCKING STATES AND HAVE NEVER HEARD THE WORD EVER BEFORE AND WILL NEVER AGAIN BECAUSE I SPEAK FUCKING ENGLISH. SO FUNNY!!!
I LOL'd at that Zeph - and I personally inherently agree. Let the translators translate the thing instead of bowing to the will of every warped Japanophile, who're most likely in tune with this whole nakama is sacred bollocks.
The whole anger over Sogeking is pathetic.
They could have used 'Sogeking' and explained the pun in a glossary at the back of the book.
I didn't understand the pun when I first read it, then I learned what it meant.
God help us if anyone actually learns anything…
God help us if anyone actually learns anything…
…that they will never need the knowledge of in their lifetime.
They could have used 'Sogeking' and explained the pun in a glossary at the back of the book.
I didn't understand the pun when I first read it, then I learned what it meant.
God help us if anyone actually learns anything…
Yes, because the author intention of stupid silly play on words was in no way to make Japanese reading people guffaw, and was totally to make Americans learn a useless and entirely uninteresting sub-trivia level factoid they have to scramble to a goddamned glossary to figure out and destroy the flow of the actual comic.
And no, you never learned what it meant, because to really do that you would have to be a fluent japanese reader coming across it and sub-consciously recognizing the joke and finding it funny casually. You'll never do that.
@Monkey:
And no, you never learned what it meant, because to really do that you would have to be a fluent japanese reader coming across it and sub-consciously recognizing the joke and finding it funny casually. You'll never do that.
Maybe I didn't get the 'aha, that's clever' moment spontaneously.
But to say I learnt nothing is complete crap.
There was absolutly no need for Viz to just steam-roll through the 'Japaneseiness'.
I've seen several other translated series where they go out of their way to explain references and puns. Personally I enjoy learning the quirks of other languages.
If you want to learn the quirks of other languages, then you should take a language course and learn/study the language.
Instead of just flipping to the back of the book and looking at some glossary, you'll actually get the pun when you first see it.
Maybe I didn't get the 'aha, that's clever' moment spontaneously.
But to say I learnt nothing is complete crap.
Funny this should remind me of your insistence that Rurouni Kenshin was educational.
Except this time you're not even talking about a time period you're learning little to nothing about.
You're learning about a corny pun that will never ever have any application elsewhere anywhere at anytime.
You ain't learned shit.
There was absolutly no need for Viz to just steam-roll through the 'Japaneseiness'.
Here's a good reason, because "Japaneseniess" has absolutely jackshit to do with the scenario, the original joke is completely lost in translation, and so is the actual title one reads through the pun "Sniper King".
So basically what you're advocating is rejecting both the original Japanese pun (since we don't get it regardless) and the actual title underneath the pun (since no English speaker will be reading Sniper King from that), and instead opting for something sounding Japanese.
Which is actually completely fucking not the purpose in the original Japanese where, y'know, the pun was just a casual joke unencumbered by moronic weeaboo orientialism.
I've seen several other translated series where they go out of their way to explain references and puns.
Depending on the level of reference, sure.
Going out of the way to explain puns so that you randomly leave in untranslated gibberish requiring a glossary is just fucking stupid and the antithesis of the inherently doofy throwaway joke that puns generally are.
Personally I enjoy learning the quirks of other languages.
Than take a goddamn language class.
And if you want to actually know anything about Early Japanese Industrialization and Modernization, don't read Rurouni Kenshin either.
@Monkey:
Than take a goddamn language class.
And if you want to actually know anything about Early Japanese Industrialization and Modernization, don't read Rurouni Kenshin either.
Not quite sure when I mentioned Kenshin, but hey my memory is terrible.
As for the other thing, I still prefer (and enjoy) seeing references and puns explained to me.
But as this seems to be a bit of a sore point, I'll say no more on the subject.
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@Mikey:
Do you not understand how Katakana works? "Nami" is written in Katakana. It's meant to stay as it is.
It is not "meant" to anything. The Japanese Language was not invented with being translated to another language in mind.
You wouldn't translate バラ as "rose" because it's written in katakana? You are not making sense, sorry.
You may say something is not meant to be translated because it's a name, or because it just feels better untranslated. But being in katakana or not doesn't matter.
I bought viz's one piece manga, and they had the audacity to fill the book with a bunch of English words… What the hell viz?
This discusion about the translation of Sogeking. IF any of you read it in the magazine youd notice there describing several characters and there nicknames; Zolo, Nami. So saying this is "Sniper King the King of Snipers" would sound dumb and probaly wouldnt fit. Though they did that in Vol 45. where they had plenty of room.
But another thing the island franky lands on is it really Baldimore?
It is not "meant" to anything. The Japanese Language was not invented with being translated to another language in mind.
You wouldn't translate バラ as "rose" because it's written in katakana? You are not making sense, sorry.
You may say something is not meant to be translated because it's a name, or because it just feels better untranslated. But being in katakana or not doesn't matter.
The way something is written in Japanese does matter. Kanji, Hiragana and Katakana are all there for a reason. It can change meanings. "Nami" does indeed mean "wave" and even though it's written in Katakana, it's meant to stay as "Nami" in our alphabet. This is proven by the wanted posters. Sogeking is a different case because it is a mix of texts. "Soge" is written in Hiragana and "King" in Katakana and Oda wrote "Sogeking" on the wanted poster, but I still believe it's acceptable to translate the Hiragana so foreigners will actually understand why the title is significant. Hiragana is the default text in One Piece with a mix of Katakana here and there (both are even above Kanji when it shows up). "King" is written in Katakana, which is obviously a foreign word. Hiragana is the text that translates, not the one that carries over foreign words.
Well, as far as I know, anyway.
This discusion about the translation of Sogeking. IF any of you read it in the magazine youd notice there describing several characters and there nicknames; Zolo, Nami. So saying this is "Sniper King the King of Snipers" would sound dumb and probaly wouldnt fit.
Was he described that way in the original?
@Monkey:
Was he described that way in the original?
Pretty much, yeah. If it sounds that way in the original, why is it bad if it sounds the exact same in another language?
It said sogeki no ousama (which means king of snipers), Sogeking. In japanese two differents words are used, this is why it could sound dumb if you translated it using the same words for both parts.
I think it's stupid that Viz leaves Madara's "Project Tsuki no me" plan untranslated. Even scans online call it the Moon's Eye Plan yet Viz sticks with Tsuki no Me….I don't think that my non-existent knowledge of the Japanese language has increased any from reading that phrase over and over. I do want to learn Japanese though just because I think it would be cool. I'm kinda worried it's just too late though. They say you have to start learning a language before age 6 to have any chance of fully grasping the nuances and speaking fluently. I don't know if that's true or not, pero no recuerdo mucho espanol from escuela. XD
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Yeesh, I know Naruto's setting is more pervasively Japanese, but come, there's no reason for that.
And here I was, about to bring up the difference between localizing, and straight-up translating.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
I think it's stupid that Viz leaves Madara's "Project Tsuki no me" plan untranslated. Even scans online call it the Moon's Eye Plan yet Viz sticks with Tsuki no Me….I don't think that my non-existent knowledge of the Japanese language has increased any from reading that phrase over and over. I do want to learn Japanese though just because I think it would be cool. I'm kinda worried it's just too late though. They say you have to start learning a language before age 6 to have any chance of fully grasping the nuances and speaking fluently. I don't know if that's true or not, pero no recuerdo mucho espanol from escuela. XD
Don't let they to scare you with that age stuff, I've learned all the english i know in school and using it, japanese could be a language a little more complicated, I've started to learn it one or two months ago and I cna say that by the moment the most complicated is learning the kanjis and their pronunciations, from what I learn, I can say that grammar is pretty easy when you get used to it.
@Mikey:
The way something is written in Japanese does matter. Kanji, Hiragana and Katakana are all there for a reason. It can change meanings. "Nami" does indeed mean "wave" and even though it's written in Katakana, it's meant to stay as "Nami" in our alphabet. This is proven by the wanted posters. Sogeking is a different case because it is a mix of texts. "Soge" is written in Hiragana and Katakana and Oda wrote "Sogeking" on the wanted poster, but I still believe it's acceptable to translate the Hiragana so foreigners will actually understand why the title is significant. Hiragana is the default text in One Piece with a mix of Katakana here and there (both are even above Kanji when it shows up). "King" is written in Katakana, which is obviously a foreign word. Hiragana is the text that translates, not the one that carries over foreign words.
Well, as far as I know, anyway.
I see your point now, and I agree.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
They say you have to start learning a language before age 6 to have any chance of fully grasping the nuances and speaking fluently. I don't know if that's true or not, pero no recuerdo mucho espanol from escuela. XD
That's probably so you have a chance of becoming as good as a native speaker. For becoming fluent, that's not true. At least I hope not.
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im predicting that in september issue one piece ends with 497
im predicting that in september issue one piece ends with 497
I guess you mean 597? 
They'd be retarded if they didn't do this.
Guys I saw in the cover of this month SJ that there is Akira Toriyama's poster for the earthquake, is it in the issue? Also, if its in the issue is it in poster form or just a single page?
Guys I saw in the cover of this month SJ that there is Akira Toriyama's poster for the earthquake, is it in the issue? Also, if its in the issue is it in poster form or just a single page?
Ah, it's in this issue. Around the first page, and it shares the page with Inoue's art, so…no, not a poster.
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Ah, it's in this issue. Around the first page, and it shares the page with Inoue's art, so…no, not a poster.
It shares with Inoue's art.. A poster would have been cool though.. Heck it doesn't even gets an entire page :(
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Hey guys, I just wanted to inform you all that most of the upcoming (at least the good ones) Viz volumes are buy 4 for the price of 3 at Amazon right now. This includes: Bakuman 6,7,8; Toriko 6,7; One Piece 58. I'm sure that Naruto and Fullmetal Alchemist are also in this promotion. I know Amazon usually does this promotion, but I've never seen it for new / future releases.
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Hey guys, I just wanted to inform you all that most of the upcoming (at least the good ones) Viz volumes are buy 4 for the price of 3 at Amazon right now. This includes: Bakuman 6,7,8; Toriko 6,7; One Piece 58. I'm sure that Naruto and Fullmetal Alchemist are also in this promotion. I know Amazon usually does this promotion, but I've never seen it for new / future releases.
In other words, 25% off when you buy four? Sorry, RightStuf still has it beat.
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Well, shipping on rightstuf for those four items would be six dollars all at once, or three for each one as they become available (I am not aware of any of the membership details for rightstuf but I'll assume that there is free shipping involved). Amazon always has free shipping, plus two day shipping for prime members. So for all those who don't use rightstuf, it's a good deal.
Borders is on Liquidation since they are all closing now.
so i may go and get a couple volumes at 40% off in a week or so
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Borders is on Liquidation since they are all closing now.
so i may go and get a couple volumes at 40% off in a week or so
Just picked up some volumes myself, graphic novels were 20% off and i got 10% more off with the club discount. It was pandemonium in there though, people with piles of books and the line went on through the whole store, dont know how much longer all the good stuff will be in stock. Kinda sad to see them go though, and now i have to drive a good ways to barnes and noble for any manga i want to buy on hand.
Screw Viz man. I got the September issue of Shonen Jump today….
THEY ENDED ON CHAPTER 596
-_-
Epic fail. lol I haven't been able to motivate myself to actually read it yet. I'm just so disappointed that they ended one chapter short of the time skip.
They skipped the Luffy / Ace / Sabo cover as well as the Color Spread. Bleach got a color spread instead.
Ichigo's on the cover.
They wasted about 10 pages on Pokemon stuff. I have no idea why. Pokemon is my favorite game series....but seriously it was such a waste of COLOR pages.
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Has Ichigo got 2 covers in a row then?.. i got the Sept. issue today and it ends at 596 for One Piece
So close to the TS start
LOL I love the KNDxOP crossover artwork in the issue!
If there smart they'll put 597 next issue, and just advertise the hell out the timeskip.
Leave everybody on a cliffhanger, but also leaving everybody wanting more cause the lack of chapters.
Next month is a double issue; October / November … I can't believe we have double issues now -_-
Woah that KND x OP picture IS cool! =O I missed that before.
I want a full-sized poster of that KND picture.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
Screw Viz man. I got the September issue of Shonen Jump today….
THEY ENDED ON CHAPTER 596
-_-
Epic fail. lol I haven't been able to motivate myself to actually read it yet. I'm just so disappointed that they ended one chapter short of the time skip.
They skipped the Luffy / Ace / Sabo cover as well as the Color Spread. Bleach got a color spread instead.
Ichigo's on the cover.
They wasted about 10 pages on Pokemon stuff. I have no idea why. Pokemon is my favorite game series....but seriously it was such a waste of COLOR pages.
WHAT?!!
Okay, fuck Viz. They obviously have stopped caring about One Piece now.
Now, if you excuse me I have to write a long, angry letter…
Oh yeah, and apparently they just went "fuck it" and changed Shiliew to Shiryu.
So instead of correcting their mistake, they changed his name to Shiryu?
Why?!!
I don't understand the logic of doing that. Is "Shiryu" copyrighted or something?
