@Bludgeon:
Ippo was meant to be respectful of real boxing for quite a while actually, since inception.
No, it was meant to entertain and make money. That's all.
@Bludgeon:
That was the basis, to tell a story which used boxing as a tool and didn't resort to the fantastic. Instead, there's a lot of time explaining different aspects of the sport and helping the reader to garner some understanding so that drama can come through without too many needless ploys typical of the boys' comic genre.
That's one of its strong points, to give an element of realism. It's still far from representative from actual boxing. When you get guys like Sendoh fighting with broken ribs, or guys like that doctor who fought by systematically attacking muscles or that deep sea guy from Okinawa with his under the sea theme or Manabu's slow time thing or Date's heart break punch or a boxer like Bryan Hawk (which is one of the best fights of the series though it was far from boxing as it could get). I can go on and on and these have all been spread throughout the entire series. This manga was never meant to be compared to actual boxing. It has too many shonenesque values. Anyone who takes pride in this manga thinking it's realistic is delusional.
@Bludgeon:
Saying it's a boys' comic doesn't really excuse it of working to tear this down in the past few years of milking.
There was never anything to tear down in the first place. It's been like this since the beginning.
@Bludgeon:
The series is dreadfully stagnated. These people are still living in the mid nineties, making no advancements in their personal lives because any stuttering steps there have to drawn out and even repeated several times just the same as the fights are.
So now you're going off on tangents on how shitty this series is? Weren't we talking about how realistic the fights are? Wasn't it enough to say the fights are drawn out? Cheap shots like that lessen your credibility.
@Bludgeon:
Morikawa has been giving us panel for panel recreations of several chapters
Recreations of what? Fights? Cite please. Because I can't see any resemblance between this fight and any other. I don't recall the last time some other fighter changed direction by holding on to ropes (not even Hawk did that) or the last time all of Ippo's strategies were systematically wiped out like this in the face of pure genius.
@Bludgeon:
and turned some of the more interesting characters into cardboard parodies.
Again I don't see what this has to do with fighting but are you complaining that people act the same all the time i.e. in character?
@Bludgeon:
Point is, you might say you want to read this fight, but I read it already. It's the same as his fight with Gedo, and his fight with Sawamura, and others.
What? Onesided till Ippo makes a comeback? That's how most of his fights are since the beginning. Hayami, Vorg, Sendoh, this is nothing new.
@Bludgeon:
It's insulting as a fan of boxing, and I was a fan of boxing before there even was such a thing as Hajime no Ippo.
And Hajime no Ippo isn't meant to be taken as real boxing which you are a fan off. You have literally admitted that you don't like it because it isn't realistic yet Ippo has never been realistic and is only meant to entertain with shonenesque boxing matches.
@Bludgeon:
And again, don't say it's a shonen comic, because that's making an excuse for every shonen comic, and saying it's okay for all of them to be exactly like another.
No it's not, dumbass. It's simply stating that Ippo can't be compared to real boxing which is true. Also FYI most shonen comics are like each other anyway.
@Bludgeon:
You wouldn't find it appropriate to splice in scenes from 1941 into Schindler's List and say, "Well it's a Spielberg Picture, what do you expect?"
You're comparing a well established genre with all the established story telling methods of power-ups, rivalry, fantastic, unrealistic fighting moves etc. etc. to a single movie made by a director with various, different movies under his belt. It's not gonna work.
That aside, just because Ippo introduces some real-life concepts into it doesn't mean it utilizes them in a realistic and representative fashion or even needs to. It is shonen with established practices. The "realism" factor is just a gimmick.
@Bludgeon:
Yes I know I'm reading boys' comics,
No you apparently don't.
@Bludgeon:
I know what I read them for,
You're reading Ippo for realistic boxing fights which is the last thing a shonen comic would have.
@Bludgeon:
I can tell when they're bad, clearly you can't.
You can't tell you're reading a boy's comic. Oh and opinions.
@Bludgeon:
And you fill your own definition of a troll exceedingly well here and other places. If that's not intentional, you should take heed and tone it the fuck down.
What giving constructive posts is trolling? Or maybe I'm trolling because I have a different opinion?