It's what we like to think, to add more fun. Afterall everybody loves to support a certain couple, regardless of who they are
Your guess on why theres no romance.
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-Zolo is in love with Koina, or at least he used to be.
He was a little kid. And they were rivals. Not lovers.
-Ussop is a total chicken and is too busy peeing his pants for love. Or there's Chopper.
stifles flame impulse That's a very stupid thing to say and not worth commenting further.
-Nami is in love with…um....um....Luffy?? I was gonna say money, but it's gotta be that instead.
Nami doesn't love Luffy in a romantic way.
-Robin is totally in love with Zolo, except Zolo doesn't trust her.
Wha? Where do you get that idea? Robin never shows any special affection towards Zoro. Are you sure you actually read or watch One Piece? Sounds like you're in Doujin land or something.
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Saying Zoro is in love with Kuina is kind of stupid. I mean, they were kids and obviously just rivals. That being said, if she were still alive I'd definitely support their pairing, but as for what actually happens? Nuh-uh, no go.
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Oda want a bonding relationship not romance. It'll just get in the way. I wonder why Oda did not have characters outside of the Mugiwara have a love relationship?
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What about IgaramxTerracotta?
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Its true…..aside from Nami....everyone else seems almost entirely purged of sex drive or romantic conquest.
Yeah it's such a drag to see Nami constantly hitting on everyone (the slut!)
..or were u talking about Sanji? ;)
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I made some charts. For a similar thread in another forum. Behold.
Now compare to this:
Frankly, I could not see that amount of romance in OP, mostly because they live with each other and have to deal with each other on a day-to-day basis. If the strawhats fell in love with one another then they wouldn't be focusing on the adventure and the series would be come shoujo.
Some people have said that Oda is such an amazing writer and he could make romance work in the series. I think that the series works because he purposly didn't add in romance. :)
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Here the love for ya'
-Zolo is in love with Koina, or at least he used to be.
-Ussop is a total chicken and is too busy peeing his pants for love. Or there's Chopper.
-Sanji is always being dragged away or turned down to have a love life.
-Nami is in love with…um....um....Luffy?? I was gonna say money, but it's gotta be that instead.
-Luffy is always thinking with his stomach, sleeping his ass off, and goofing off to even know what a love life is. He's way to dense...
-Chopper is an animal. I fear who he's in love with...
-Robin is totally in love with Zolo, except Zolo doesn't trust her.I have a wild question here…....
You've only seen up to the most recent dub episode, havn't you.
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Hehehe, if thats true then his idiotic coment makes a mad amount of sence!
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So basically taboo, Naruto is an inferior series because it has romance in it, and One Piece is better because it doesn't? :rolleyes:
Generally I'm happy with there being no romance in One Piece, but I'm sure having romance in it isn't going to drive it into the ground.
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I think he left out romance because he wanted it to be more… well... I guess you could say he wanted it not to take away from the action. And honestley I never liked romance in an anime. I like to watch a show where you don't have to se two (or more) people gawking at eachother all the time. Not that I have anything against romance, jsut in anime.
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So basically taboo, Naruto is an inferior series because it has romance in it, and One Piece is better because it doesn't? :rolleyes:
I haven´t seen Naruto yet, but I say that any series or movie that doesn´t have romance in it surpasses series and movies with romance at any time because almost every romantic angle is written stereotype, predictable and boring.
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So basically taboo, Naruto is an inferior series because it has romance in it, and One Piece is better because it doesn't? :rolleyes:
Where did you get that from her post? She didn't say anything of the sort.
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It's not that there isn't any romance. It's just that it's not between the main characters. There was Fullbody and that nameless woman in the beginning of the Don Krieg arc, there were Usopp's parents… and although I cannot name any out of the blue, I think there have been some random nameless couples we've seen around. Plus the possibility of Usopp/Kaya and Kohza/Vivi. Not to mention the unrequited love Sanji has for pretty much everyone and Fulbody&Jango have for Hina. The world of One Piece isn't completely devoid of romance.
But, were Oda to introduce a romance between two Strawhats, there would be unnecessary problems in the storytelling. For instance, he would need to writie some indication of the state of their love life every once in a while, which would no doubt slow down the pace at which the story is going. I'm not saying it'd be impossible or even unnecessarily difficult, but it's not like the story doesn't function perfectly well without romance. And maybe Oda can't really write romance all that well. Besides, I don't read One Piece for the possible pairings, and I doubt many people do. In fact, I don't read most mangas for the pairings. Should I need One Piece romance, I can find it in doujinshi and fanfiction, and I'd rather it stayed there.
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I haven´t seen Naruto yet, but I say that any series or movie that doesn´t have romance in it surpasses series and movies with romance at any time because almost every romantic angle is written stereotype, predictable and boring.
I have to disagree here Ivotas, I think it's rather the opposite.. some love and romance usually adds spice to a series (anime or otherwise). That's the reason why they almost always add it in. Btw it doesn't even have to be outspoken romance, think X-files where the sexual tension between Mulder and Scully made the series thrive. One Piece is a noteable exception, cuz Oda is just such a genius storyteller.
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Where did you get that from her post? She didn't say anything of the sort.
Well it seemed like taboo was making a point while taking a cheap shot at Naruto, but if that wasn't his/her intention, then I'm sorry if I was rude. It just seemed that way because taboo compared One Piece to Naruto instead of some other anime series.
(P.S. I know Naruto is inferior to OP, but I'm a little sick of seeing "NarutardLOL!!1" posts.)
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@jackvance:
I have to disagree here Ivotas, I think it's rather the opposite.. some love and romance usually adds spice to a series (anime or otherwise). That's the reason why they almost always add it in. Btw it doesn't even have to be outspoken romance, think X-files where the sexual tension between Mulder and Scully made the series thrive. One Piece is a noteable exception, cuz Oda is just such a genius storyteller.
It is mostly aded my most stories to even draw more viewers/readers since romance sales very well. But if you focus more on the story then drawing viewers/readers then you don´t necessarily have to add romance.
I have no problems with romance when it is the result of a authors creative process, but in todays society most romantic angles aren´t made because they were part of an authors inspiration, but they are added to the authors creative work to attract more people to buy the product. It´s marketing strategy.
This evil scheme made it even to the Lord of the Ring movies, a movie that is based on a book that was great because it didn´t have the annoying stereotype Hollywood style romance. But I´m moving of topi here.
For my personal taste, romance between main characters gets pretty old pretty fast. They always follow the same pattern. However this doesn´t mean that there´s no romance in One Piece. One Piece is actually based on romance itself. Rember the term "Romance Dawn"? That´s what One Piece originally was. But it isn´t the stereotype romance between boy and girl but between people and life. Again another brilliant strike by Oda, who doesn´t follow stereotypes.
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I usually agree with Ivotas but…
@Ivotas:I say that any series or movie that doesn´t have romance in it surpasses series and movies with romance at any time
A great deal of the awed writers of the history, like ingenious Dostoyevsky, wrote romance driven stories and they're by no mean inferior - actually, quite opposite for sure. @Ivotas:
Oda, who doesn´t follow stereotypes.
Exaggeration. He does follow stereotypes, although not by as much as one would expect and it usually never gets nowhere near of annoying because there're still a lot of hints of originality. Besides he has created his own stereotypes and patterns. I would say having a real romance in a shounen would be much more dearing, even in Kenshin they just kind of passed it by.
Like somebody already said, it could be that Oda isn't simply comfortable with writing romance. And it's okey, it would feel wierd if he now - after 39 volumes - would change his mind and start to write romance in it.
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A great deal of the awed writers of the history, like ingenious Dostoyevsky, wrote romance driven stories and they're by no mean inferior - actually, quite opposite for sure.
Hello, I wasn´t talking about classic literature, I was talking about romance stereotypes in todays society or should I say the media of modern society. Romance in todays media always follows the stereotype Hollywood crap because it sales.
Big names like Dostojewsky shouldn´t be even mentioned in context to what I´ve just said, because everyone of those great people was telling stories out of pure inspiration and creativity. That was so much not what I was talking about.
Exaggeration. He does follow stereotypes, although not by as much as one would expect and it usually never gets nowhere near of annoying because there're still a lot of hints of originality. Besides he has created his own stereotypes and patterns. I would say having a real romance in a shounen would be much more dearing, even in Kenshin they just kind of passed it by.
Again, you misunderstood what I meant. With my statement I meant that Oda doesn´t follow the same stereotype writing pattern when he uses stuff that was already mentioned before. Oda´s story is build up and inspired on many other things but it follows his own unique style of story telling, while in todays society many products follow a pattern that was at some point already used before in a different story. That´s what I meant.
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Hello, I wasn´t talking about classic literature,
My bad. I thought you were generally speaking of romance weakening narratation. I didn't see you saying the next:
I was talking about romance stereotypes in todays society or should I say the media of modern society.
Although I still don't fully agree with out. (I feel like a misunderstood too)
those great people was telling stories out of pure inspiration and creativity
True, I should had come up with a better example. Still, those people did also work with deadlines…
Romance in todays media always follows the stereotype Hollywood crap because it sales.
Yeah, well, everything does. Unfortunatly, romance isn't the only one on the blame.
…That´s what I meant.
Okey, let's see. If you take a look of most of the shonen stories out there, the following is almost always true: A dumb hero (Luffy), a cool sidekick (Zoro) and and a tomboy girl (Nami). It's a common production pattern and Oda makes a good use of it. So, in a way, he too is a victim of todays society.
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Whooooooooa, whoa whoa. This is why I hate pairing discussions. Somehow they always lead to misunderstandings.
First off, I am kindly reminding everyone to respect everyone's pairing choices. No one is stupid because they like Zoro x Kuina, or any other pairing. (Although, I completely agree with what loulou said about the pairing.) But on the other hand, please don't go around declaring that a certain pairing is canon because you think so. There few to no canon pairings in One Piece, and the ones that are canon are not between main characters. That is just a fact.
I looked at Taboo's relationship charts, and I don't really think they intended it as a cheap shot at Naruto, although loulou, I do know how you feel. People on this forum LOVE to pick at Naruto and its fanbase randomly, but I don't think this is one of those cases. If anything, that chart shows that shounen anime/manga with heavier ship possibilities than One Piece do exist.
Finally, I don't really understand why people are arguing about romance making or breaking a series. If that is your opinion, I respect that. But I don't think series, manga, books, movies, etc. are automatically good or bad because of how much romance they include. If a work doesn't have romance in it, and it's good, it's because it is a GOOD work - not because of the lack of romance, and vice versa if it isn't that good. I would say the same thing about works that HAVE romance.
Personally, I think that if someone is watching/reading something just because it has or doesn't have romance in it isn't really enjoying the work to its fullest potential. Sure, the romantic relationships (or lack there of) can contribute to how much you like something, but I don't really understand it when it's the ENTIRE reason someone likes/doesn't like something. I hope that made some sense.
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Well it seemed like taboo was making a point while taking a cheap shot at Naruto, but if that wasn't his/her intention, then I'm sorry if I was rude. It just seemed that way because taboo compared One Piece to Naruto instead of some other anime series.
(P.S. I know Naruto is inferior to OP, but I'm a little sick of seeing "NarutardLOL!!1" posts.)
To clear things up:
Firstly, I'm a girl. =) Secondly, don't just assume that I hate Naruto just because I compared it to One Piece. >__< Although I do like OP better and I dislike a large majority of Naruto's predominant characters, I do have an insanely rabid fetish for some of the lesser characters (aka Gai and Lee). And thirdly, Narutards DO exist and are irritating as hell. But there are normal Naruto fans and they totally rock. /Off topic, but just wanted to set things straight.
Personally, I think that [more than is necessary]romance in OP is a bad thing because it would distract from what the series is all about: the adventure!! :D
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Some romance Manga are good, too; it's just the where the focus is. ie. Many Shoujo series focus on romance. Does that mean Shoujo is inferior to Shounen? I don't think so.
Although I got bored at Naruto as well, I think it has (had?) a good story, too.
As for One Piece, I just cannot think of any romance in this series. At least not for main crews… They're too busy chasing their dream to have any romance.
Think about it, if you're too addicted to something, you wouldn't want anything else to get in a way. Like... If you're addicted to games, would you want to have a girlfriend who might say "stop playing game and spend some time with me!!!"? ^^;
Yeah, either way, I even stayed away from One Piece Doujinshi until... ... I went back to Japan this March. (Then I ended up buying some djs... x.x)
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Okey, let's see. If you take a look of most of the shonen stories out there, the following is almost always true: A dumb hero (Luffy), a cool sidekick (Zoro) and and a tomboy girl (Nami). It's a common production pattern and Oda makes a good use of it. So, in a way, he too is a victim of todays society.
Yes I know that, but what I mean with not following stereotypes is how he does it. True that he has these three stereotype characters, but the way how they surpass obstacles is still somehow a way of its own. Ok the main character actually follows the stereotypes but the huge focus on the other protagonists takes away a lot of the spotlight of Luffy and this actually wasn´t stereotype in such stories before.
I mean One Piece is the first story where I always cheer for the main hero when he arrives to kick the villains ass, just because what happened until then distracted me so much that I consider it refreshing to se the hero again. And most of the other stories are stereotype in overhauling the main hero. I hope I was somehow able to explain what I think.And just one last thing because I don´t think that it was clear from me previous posts. I have no problems with romance if the story itself was intended as a romantic story from the beginning. If it is essential to the story then it is ok. But what I don´t like about romance is when it is clearly visible that it actually doesn´t belong to the main point of a series (or a movie) but gets included either way because it may attract more readers/viewers. And One Piece is good without romance, it doesn´t require it any bit. It shouldn´t be added just for the sake of it. If however Oda planned from the very beginning that at some point there will must be romance, then I would have no problem with it, because it wouldn´t be out of place then.
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Well it seemed like taboo was making a point while taking a cheap shot at Naruto, but if that wasn't his/her intention, then I'm sorry if I was rude. It just seemed that way because taboo compared One Piece to Naruto instead of some other anime series.
(P.S. I know Naruto is inferior to OP, but I'm a little sick of seeing "NarutardLOL!!1" posts.)
Naruto is the great "don't do this in your own story" of our time though.
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The topic (as crappy as it is) is romance in One Piece. Not Naruto and the issues people have with it. Stay on topic, please.
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Yhea!
One Piece romance is not in place! Is not place! Naruto no existo magnifico.In actuality only Tashigi X Zoro seems possible to me. Kaya is like several thousand latitudes behind.
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I read through the majority of these replys. Now I have forgotten what the topic was about. =/
Oh, yeah.
One Piece isn't a manga about love. It's not the overall objective, or even a major objective. It's about ties of friendship (in a good way) dipped in an adventure story.
There are obvious pairings that may occur after the series, such as (Kaya+Usopp), (Tashigi+Zoro) and (Sanji+Nami*), but I found it funny that Alvida was not mentioned in the slightest as a possible romance. She's lusting after Luffy, remember? XD
*Oda may be just teasing, but I think Sanji likes Nami much more than most of the other girls he chases after. After all, both Nami and Sanji were getting married in the first OP movie poster. >.>;;
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She's lusting after Luffy, remember? XD
HA! Alvida falling for Luffy? That was seduction, my friend. Alvida had control over ever single male there EXCEPT Luffy. :3
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HA! Alvida falling for Luffy?
Yup, nothing makes a woman desire for a man more than punching her in the face. Or at least in this case.
But yeah, the only relationships I could ever see happening are UsoppxKaya and KohzaxVivi, with the condition that it happens at the very end of the series, like some sort of montage that shows what happens after some big event happening.
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(Kaya+Usopp), (Tashigi+Zoro) and (Sanji+Nami*), but I found it funny that Alvida was not mentioned in the slightest as a possible romance. She's lusting after Luffy, remember? XD
I'm surprised there wasn't a Sanji x Alvida subplot in Loguetown. Alvida's hot now, and Sanji doesn't necessarily know her, let alone her new form. I could see, if Alvida discovered Sanji was with Luffy (does she know he has a full crew), she'd try and get to him through Sanji.
S: "Hey, Luffy! See what I've got!"
L: "Hmm… she looks familiar, but less fat..."
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I'm surprised there wasn't a Sanji x Alvida subplot in Loguetown.
Now that you mention that, I remember thinking the same thing when I first watched Loguetown…when that episode ended with Carmen calling to him, I thought it was going to be Alvida. :)
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There are obvious pairings that may occur after the series, such as (Kaya+Usopp), (Tashigi+Zoro) and (Sanji+Nami*)
While I agree with everything else you've said, I really don't see Tashigi and Zoro as an obvious pairing, or one that is extremely likely to happen. I do LIKE the pairing, and I do think it is extremely cute, but there are so many obstacles they would need to over come before they could actually get together, more than any other popular pairing in One Piece. If Oda DOES do the pairing at the end of the series, there's a lot he would have to establish first.
I <3 Sanji/Nami. And I agree, Sanji does seem to like (or at least respect) Nami a little more than the other girls, if only in the way he calls her "-san"
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Yeah, I'm surprised that he doesn't call her Nami-chan!!!
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Wa? We're talking about pairings now eh? I can see just about anybody x anybody because my brain is wired that way. Octapallon x Skypiea's Super Lobster? Bring it on! Matsuge x Carue? Oh Tee Pee! Their love is so canon, gya~!
=p
Let's go back to the topic why there's little romance in OP (although I question the use of the term 'romance' here. IMO, it can mean love relationships in a non-platonic way or it can mean adventures and glory. If I follow my own logic, yes there is romance in OP. In fact, the whole series is about romance. But anyway, I digress because I know that the former meaning is what people are referring to…).
I write romance stories. Surprise. I love relationships. I like pairings, be it people with people or the next unidentified shrubs. I fill a blank page with one purpose in mind: to write about love and romance.
Oda is not a romance (non-platonic love yadda yadda yadda...) writer. He likes pirates, fightings, weapons, and actions. Oda writes adventure stories. He fills his blank pages with one purpose in mind: to tell people about the romance of adventure.
In the end, it comes to this: what is the creator's purpose?
Now, for the $64 billion dollar question, will romance hurt One Piece? Before you answer an impulsive "YES!", think about it. Really think about it. This is ODA we're talking about. That guy can pull off Skypiea, can pull off a scrapped cyborg, and he twists our arms with every coming chapter. Can he make romance work in OP?
I think he can. What do you think?
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I'm sure Oda could write romance, but it would cause problems with the fanbase.
Oh, and SetaGinny, I agree with what you said about Zoro/Tashigi. It seems like they're going to pair up (that was my initial thought when I first read OP) but one tends to forget that Tashigi's a marine and Zoro's a pirate. I had an argument with my friend about this, she said all sorts of things like Tashigi could leave the marines (OOC), or they could become secret lovers (too corny even for Oda). If he does decide to pair them up, he's going to have to come up with something believable.
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@Seta:
While I agree with everything else you've said, I really don't see Tashigi and Zoro as an obvious pairing, or one that is extremely likely to happen. I do LIKE the pairing, and I do think it is extremely cute, but there are so many obstacles they would need to over come before they could actually get together, more than any other popular pairing in One Piece. If Oda DOES do the pairing at the end of the series, there's a lot he would have to establish first.
I <3 Sanji/Nami. And I agree, Sanji does seem to like (or at least respect) Nami a little more than the other girls, if only in the way he calls her "-san"
Yeah right…. Nami only uses Sanji for her chores and you know it!!
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Hmmmmmmmmm this is interesting, I think that the reason there is no romance in one piece is because it would totally fuck up the story, From the get go I knew that there was a very little possiblility of romance in OP cause Oda is more like guns,adventure,fullfilling your goal, badass fighting ect. I think that if Oda tryed to add it in it would totally ruin its fanbase and do horroable things to the story, thankfully Oda knows this and very rarley does he venture into the romance side of the story and thats just for comic releaf (example: Sanji being Robin and namis bich)
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@Seta:
While I agree with everything else you've said, I really don't see Tashigi and Zoro as an obvious pairing, or one that is extremely likely to happen. I do LIKE the pairing, and I do think it is extremely cute, but there are so many obstacles they would need to over come before they could actually get together, more than any other popular pairing in One Piece. If Oda DOES do the pairing at the end of the series, there's a lot he would have to establish first.
Oda likes to throw curveballs, but pooling from my database of "obvious story clichÃs, Tashigi + Zoro seems like a classic ironic matchup. If Oda were anyone else but himself, I wouldn't be surprised if Zoro beat Mihawk, but was then beaten by Tashigi. Such a defeat would be the catalyst for a romance.
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Oda likes to throw curveballs, but pooling from my database of "obvious story clichÃs, Tashigi + Zoro seems like a classic ironic matchup. If Oda were anyone else but himself, I wouldn't be surprised if Zoro beat Mihawk, but was then beaten by Tashigi. Such a defeat would be the catalyst for a romance.
See, while I am not saying that couldn't happen, I still see it as in the realm of extreme speculation. I could just as easily speculate that Zoro defeats Tashigi after he takes the strongest title from Mihawk, and then Tashigi goes off on her own adventure to train and beat Zoro, with there being no romance between them.
I think romances between any of the Strawhats have a bit (and I use the word bit for a reason, because they are STILL speculations) more to back themselves up than any Strawhat/non-Strawhat pairing (with the exception of Usopp/Kaya) because they all already do have extremely strong bonds, care for each other, and save each other's lives on a regular basis. At least speculation in that department is developed from feelings that definitely exist. With Zoro and Tashigi, I think the potential is there, and I'm not saying it can never happen, but there is NOTHING to back up them caring about each other even remotely yet in the series. In fact, it's quite the opposite. And while there may be many romantic cliches about women falling in love with the criminals they are hunting, I don't see that as evidence for Zoro and Tashigi to be "practically canon" as I've heard some people put it.
loulou, I am frustrated by the same things. While I like ZxT, and I have a fan fiction story in mind for them, one thing I want to stay away from is the OOCness that some people write them into.
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IgaramxTerracota=OTP!!!1!11XD
Oda doesn't put romance in One Piece because… he simply doesn't want to.
His reason may be speculated in many ways, but I would guess that it's because a romantic subplot (especially within the Strawhat crew) means more work for him. He spent the whole series emphasising on the relationship dynamics between crewmembers. When romance comes into the picture, by right it will change the dynamics. Oda would then be faced with two choices: either to trivialise the romance and put it in the background (a la Dragon Ball shotgun romances), or to write it properly and complicate the character dynamics (shoujo roamnce). I would guess that he didn't want to complicate his story with such things and want to focus with the adventure theme, and hence: no canon romance.
That is not to say there aren't subtext, either intentionally written or not. Usopp/Kaya is almost unanimously agreed upon by the OP fandom, for instance. This is because we derive the romantic subtext from other fictional works; because most of the times, the girl who waits her saviour = romance. And then there are also people who pairs based on which personalities matches each other, often influenced by their own real-life view on romance.
The absence of canon pairing (aside from the married people) is actually a blessing, IMO, because then all kinds of shippers are on a level playground, and thus we don't have too vicious shipping wars like some other fandoms do (ex: Inuyasha, Gundam Wing).
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@Seta:
Because they're in love with adventure =P
This isn't exactly a reason, but…If he put romance in, people would be bitching like they are the Harry Potter fandom. "OH NOEZ he didn't write the romance the way I wanted it written!" or "OMG how can my favorite ship not become canon!" I'm perfectly satisfied with my dose of One Piece romance being contained to doujinshi, fan art, and fan fiction. And if Oda ever does put anything in (or nothing at all) I'll be happy with whatever he does. It's his story after all.
You are right, if Oda puts a romance like: Sanji/Nami. All the fans who wanted to see Luffy and Nami be a couple, would be upset. Plus it would just makes rifts between one piece fans.
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He spent the whole series emphasising on the relationship dynamics between crewmembers. When romance comes into the picture, by right it will change the dynamics.
I completely agree with this assessment and is one of the very main reasons why I'm perfectly happy with no overt romance in the series. I love the crew dynamics the way they are now, I love that no one relationship on board is more important than any other one. It works that way, it clicks that way, and while it may not stay that way forever (I wouldn't mind a little something at the very end of the series, but I'm not banking on it), I think it's apt to stay that way for a very long time. It's more fun, I think, and more relatable, particularly to younger kids who aren't thinking about romance, or to us older kids who just aren't as concerned with it. ;) Not saying romance is bad, it just doesn't make or break a show for me.
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Because, Oda wants the anime and manga to have no romance.
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Did you really need to bump this topic just to day that?
And the other thread?Just use the OP couples thread.