Fleet Admiral Kong and Fisher Tiger fought each other, which lead to their deaths.
Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread
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Raftel is a sky island. It's the only sky island above the New World, so it doesn't follow a chain linking other sky islands.
If you think about it, Oda has confirmed that Gold Roger knows the existence of sky islands. So far we have to assume that the gov't and the rest of the strong pirates do not. But we do know that Luffy knows the existence of sky islands, and so does Blackbeard. Even though Blackbeard hasn't been to one, he seemed pretty certain that Luffy made it to sky island, and that little interraction between the two at Impel Down could be a set up for the final showdown at Raftel.
However Kuma does know about sky islands, and there is another easier route to get to them somewhere, suggesting that other people know. But we have yet to find out how known this other entrance is.
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We're slowly learning more about Luffy's past through Ace's past. We know that Garp took vacations to East Blue which was how he was able to visit Ace as a baby and presumably the other visits as well. We also know that Dadan raised Ace since he was born and that Luffy didn't live with them until he was at least 7.
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-000/page019.html
http://www.mangastream.com/read/one_piece/568-13/6
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-551/page006.html
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-551/page007.html
The question then becomes who raised Luffy for the first 7 years of his life while Garp was not around. I think Luffy was raised by his mother and for some reason or another, she stopped raising him then. I always wondered how it fit into Garp raising Luffy and yet Shanks stayed at Fuschia Village for a year but now I think that Garp simply wasn't around for that year but had returned after (perhaps because he heard Luffy was friends with pirates). -
The question then becomes who raised Luffy for the first 7 years of his life while Garp was not around. I always wondered how it fit into Garp raising Luffy and yet Shanks stayed at Fuschia Village for a year.
Yeah, this is something that has confused me for a while now. Chapter 0 has Garp and Ace in Fuscia village, as can be seen by the FISH Market sign, the Windmills, and a younger Woop Slap and Makino. That's before Luffy is born though. Later on, in Chapter 440, we see Woop Slap commenting on whether or not Dadan knows about the Enies Lobby incident as well. Obviously that is referring to him having raised Luffy, which we know from Chapter 551 takes place after Luffy meets Shanks, but what confuses me is that Garp takes Luffy to live with Ace and Dadan; as in, takes Luffy away from Fuscia and to another city or town. Aside from the implication, the most recent chapter shows Ace hanging out in the same spot whenever Dadan or Garp comes to find him; which appears to be the same one as Chapter 551. We know from this recent chapter that the hill must be near the city Ace stayed at, which was obviously not Fuscia if you judge from the size of the buildings, so I figure that must be the city where Rouge lived (Dadan was there at Ace's birth). It's certainly no plot hole, but Woop Slap clearly knows Dadan from the comment in Chapter 440 despite Chapter 551 implying that Ace and Dadan live elsewhere. I know we always assumed Ace and Luffy grew up (post-Shanks) at Fuscia, but this whole setup suggests otherwise. Which makes me wonder where exactly they "trained" and "grew up", and why Luffy was seen leaving Fuscia Village in Chapter 1 instead of the other city he may or may not have been raised at. It could all be as simple as "they moved" or "Luffy returned home" or similar, but it makes me wonder…
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I don't think the place that Ace was at as a kid was where he was born since he was born in South Blue (http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-550/page013.html) and then was moved to East Blue as a baby (as chapter 0 showed). If it is not Fuschia, it is probably a nearby village or town.
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My guess is that Ace and Luffy were raised at a neighboring village, as in right by Fuschia. Or maybe Fuschia village is just a lot bigger than we thought.
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The question then becomes who raised Luffy for the first 7 years of his life while Garp was not around. I think Luffy was raised by his mother and for some reason or another, she stopped raising him then. I always wondered how it fit into Garp raising Luffy and yet Shanks stayed at Fuschia Village for a year but now I think that Garp simply wasn't around for that year but had returned after (perhaps because he heard Luffy was friends with pirates).
From what we've seen so far my only guess could be that he lived with people connected to that bar like Makino and probably others.
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I don't think the place that Ace was at as a kid was where he was born since he was born in South Blue and then was moved to East Blue as a baby (as chapter 0 showed).
Right, I forgot about the South Blue thing. That really wasn't the meat of my post though. In a village as small as Fuchsia there is no way Dadan and Ace lived there for 7 years without Luffy knowing they existed, so they must have lived a reasonable distance away. Not to mention Ace (smarter) not knowing for sure who Luffy was. I can't help but wonder why Luffy didn't live there sooner, but that doesn't matter. The question that remains is, "who lives in/near Fuchsia Village?" There must have been a reason for Garp to visit before Luffy was born, and once Luffy was born that is where he was raised (until 7, at least), so someone must live there. Aside from that, it should be fairly certain that Luffy was brought to stay with Ace and Dadan in another city or town, so at some point he must have moved back to Fuchsia in order to leave to become a pirate in Chapter 1.
If it is not Fuchsia, it is probably a nearby village or town.
It is without a doubt not Fuchsia. As I mentioned above, this chapter shows large buildings and a large amount of people. Fuchsia has neither.
Or maybe Fuschia village is just a lot bigger than we thought.
Considering one of the first pages and text boxes of the manga show it is a "small harbor village", I doubt it.
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The question that remains is, "who lives in/near Fuchsia Village?" There must have been a reason for Garp to visit before Luffy was born, and once Luffy was born that is where he was raised (until 7, at least), so someone must live there.
Seeing as Dragon knows his 'family' is from the east it would be safe to assume at one point he was there/near there. Perhaps he lived in Fuschia for a short while. That village could be where he met Luffy's mother either i guess.
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Mayyybe… Garp left Ace with Dadan in Fuscia (where we assume Dadan is from or stayed for a while, since he was mentioned by Woop Slap). After a while, maybe 2-3 years, Dadan realised it was better to keep moving around, as people may have been suspicious of Ace's parents (which explains the place with the tall buildings, which could have been one of the locations). Then Luffy was born and stayed in Fuscia, met Shanks and everyone etc. By this time, Dadan had found an island where he and Ace could settle down without hassle. That island is where Luffy was taken to be further raised with Ace.
This is based on little, but what have we got?
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Ayeesss, why is everony so fixed that because Gold=Gol D. EVERY EGGING CHARACTER WHO HAS THE SLIGHTEST RELEVENCE has to be a D?
D's are suppost to be special, if ever character was a D. it would't be lame.
@$abZ:
So far we have to assume that the gov't and the rest of the strong pirates do not.
If the inhabitants of Skypiea knew of the blue sea and where they came form and pretty much everythgin then they have had many visitors before, especially if they know how to convert Beli to their money accordingly.
They seemed to have a tour guide thing going on, which suits if other people have come.That and Urouge is from a sky-island, yet no one seems to question his wings.
And the fact from Nami's coverstory involving a sky-island abotu the weather, they slso seemed to knwo about people form the blue-sea and it's possilbe they feed informaiton about the weather to the blue-sea dwllers.
Don't challange me on that though, I didn't pay attention to her coverstory, I wouldn't know. -
My guess. After Ace got pissed he will finally shout out his king haki ala Roger.
And Enerus true name is Go D Eneru
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i was wondering who will replace replace garp after the war? koby?
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Coby's no where near Garp's level (yet). And he might not lose his position. You're assuming he will betray the marines, right?
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he said this was his last fight as a marine
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he said this was his last fight as a marine
Are you sure? I think that was from a fake spoiler. The one where he was about to fight Luffy while Sengoku was fighting multiple opponents.
Edit: It was a 566 fake spoiler.
http://mangahelpers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1696874&postcount=503
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So, after watching the Thriller Bark story, I've got another far-fetched theory about Kaidou:
So, the reason why Kaidou and Moria fought is because Kaidou discovered the way the Kujas travel in the Calm Belts in the Yuda, and Kaidou, whose territory is on the eastern side of the New World, near the Calm Belt, learns (somehow) to tame them, and using them, he'll bypass the Great Blockade by going through the Calm Belt. The Marines learn about this, and get ready to intercept him and his crews, but Moria volunteers to do so, as long as the Marines install the Seastone/Paddles to get there, with them not knowing that Moria will use them to try what Kaidou will do, after he takes care of him. Moria heads Kaidou in the Calm Belt, and their crews fight, leaving both sides to be slaughtered by one another, with Kaidou, fighting with his Axe and great speed versus Moria with his Scissors Swords and Shadow power to fight each other to a standstill, however, both wound each other, Kaidou cutting off Moria's chin, and Moria doing the same with Kaidou's nose as the most extreme examples. With both crews being slaughtered and their leaders fighting to a stalemate, it is a massive Sea King or two that forces what's left of both sides out. Moria, is complemented by the Marines for stopping Kaidou's advance, explaining why he kept his post, but leaves to build up an Army to get revenge on Kaidou. Kaidou, on the other hand, is now in danger against the ambition of Whitebeard and the 4th Yonkou, and what's left his crew, and New World Pirates allies, flee to the Calm Belt, where they bypass to the North Blue, which we'll say is the strongest Blue, and recruit a bunch of ambitious, strong Crews there, and using the Yuda, bring them over, and drive back Whitebeard and Mystery Guy, refilling his ranks, and securing his territory.
Well, could be intresting, and would cement Kaidou as someone who is strong, ambitious, ruthless, and cunning.
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Even if it was fake i still see him retiring after this war and either Koby or smoker becoming his successor with tagashi or helmeppo as their right hands and would be to luffy as garp was to roger i figure it will be more likely koby then smoker being the whole point of whole water 7 meeting showing that he to has gotten stronger
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Haki theory:
First off, what got me this was WBs haki ball being mentioned before he lost it and hit Aokiji, and for those who don't think it is haki, it is, the quake always leaves crack in the air, and you don't see him making that round aura thing with his normal quakes.
Haki i think is physical enhancing ability, and this is how i explain it:
All hits (as far as i can remember) on DFs/logia have been physical, from the super defense of sentoumaru, to garps attacks and even the arrows of amazon lily, all physical based. There doesn't seem to be any logia so far that has been hit by elemental damage or an object without haki.Haki doesn't disable logia, they should be able to dodge it, just not let it through. Like we saw with Aokiji, he become bits of ice, yet he didn't die. Haki can be replaces by immense physical power (Joz, Marco, rob lucci and many others hitting luffy). Ironically i think only physical attacks can hit logia, of course with either haki or super strength.
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Haki theory:
and you don't see him making that round aura thing with his normal quakes.
Well he minced giants Vice Admirals Ronse's head with quake glove.
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Haki doesn't disable logia, they should be able to dodge it, just not let it through. Like we saw with Aokiji, he become bits of ice, yet he didn't die. Haki can be replaces by immense physical power (Joz, Marco, rob lucci and many others hitting luffy). Ironically i think only physical attacks can hit logia, of course with either haki or super strength.
Aokiji is a bit different cuz he is ice. All the super strength in the world won't let you hit Kizaru though, only haki.
And the round thing is quake power. When it is mentionned he uses haki, there is nothing around his bisento.
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Haki theory:
First off, what got me this was WBs haki ball being mentioned before he lost it and hit Aokiji, and for those who don't think it is haki, it is, the quake always leaves crack in the air, and you don't see him making that round aura thing with his normal quakes.And I'm sure WB told you that. :/
Also you're basing your theory on 4-5 chapters at most.Haki doesn't disable logia, they should be able to dodge it, just not let it through. Like we saw with Aokiji, he become bits of ice, yet he didn't die. Haki can be replaces by immense physical power (Joz, Marco, rob lucci and many others hitting luffy). Ironically i think only physical attacks can hit logia, of course with either haki or super strength.
…What?
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Aokiji is a bit different cuz he is ice. All the super strength in the world won't let you hit Kizaru though, only haki.
And the round thing is quake power. When it is mentionned he uses haki, there is nothing around his bisento.
Marco kicked kizaru, and they said aokiji died didn't they?
kaze: first off big "theories that dont deserve their own threads" sign up there, and secondly 4-5 chapters is enough specially when this war isn't going to last that long.
As for part 2, it's obvious, reread again when you are done with bandwagon.
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I'm sorry but I strongly believe this theory is correct.
Spandam and Lucci are related, maybe even closely, but I'm sure Lucci is related to Spandine in some way, only by physical features.
If anything Lucci looks more related to Spandine than Spandam does himself.
And it owuld exsplain why he was involved in th goverment at an early ages, like Kalifa was after her father was one of the CP9. Kumodori's mum was an Assasin maybe CP9 one, I can't remember. So it's possilbe most of the CP9 took on the jobs of their parents.
And I have heard in stories about sch things that one of the children was choisen to be a leader and the other a fighter depending on their natural born strengh.
Brothers/Diffrent mothers, cousins or somehting maybe not closely related.And we only have Lucci's full name, we don't have Spandam/ine's full name do we?
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Marco kicked kizaru, and they said aokiji died didn't they?
Marco kicking kizaru shows that he has haki. You should really read up on logia's. About aokiji, some pirates exclaimed the question if he was dead after we saw his jacket getting sliced, to which aokiji replied 'ofcourse not'. Also if you look more closely at that fight, it is likely WB never actually hit Aokiji, Aokiji probably dodged it and has the bisento pressed between his arm and his body.
If anything Lucci looks more related to Spandine than Spandam does himself.
And it owuld exsplain why he was involved in th goverment at an early ages, like Kalifa was after her father was one of the CP9. Kumodori's mum was an Assasin maybe CP9 one, I can't remember. So it's possilbe most of the CP9 took on the jobs of their parents.You think Spandam, who is weaker than an average marine, is related to Rob Lucchi? And that Spandam and Spandine are now plotting to assassinate their relative?..
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Strengh coes form trainign no, I doubt they trained that much, both of them hiding behind other people.
And as I said could be distant, the resemblance is uncanny.And these are pretty evil people, I could see them being fine with mudering anyone who gets in their way, they don't sem to care for other's too much, except for each other possiblly.
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Well ok it is your theory :). Here they are as kids btw:
[qimg]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/8/85/Young_lucci.jpg[/qimg]
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Where the Huckleberry Fin did you get the idea the Spands want to assassinate Lucci? I didn't read that anywhere.
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Where the Huckleberry Fin did you get the idea the Spands want to assassinate Lucci? I didn't read that anywhere.
Cover story here: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/527/01/
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Oh, right. So why would them being relatives make it odd? If anything, it would explain why Spandine was there at all. Why wouldn't a group willing to murder an entire island's worth of innocent people be just as willing to do the same to their own family?
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I'll just let you think about that a little longer
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There's also not knowing it, favrotisim and the fact that it was Lucci that was the treat to put into acocunt.
anywaysI don't want t get into an argument, just a theory, and I don't want to stress mine self out wiht arguing too much so don't go taking mien dumb theories too serious mikay.
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It definitely makes since if Spandine had a second boy with another woman and just forgot about it.
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Because, Spandine is SUCH a girl magnet man-whore like that– wait Bethan what are you doing stop contradicting yourself--!
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I don't see why rape (and/or fixed marrige) isn't out of the question.
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[qimg]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/b/be/SpandamFunkFreedChild.jpg[/qimg]
But I thought Funkfreed was a sword that ate an Elephant Zoan…
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But I thought Funkfreed was a sword that ate an Elephant Zoan…
That's Funkfreed's full elephant form.
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but in other hand if their home is soooo far away (i mean for Dorry and Broggy) why they went before at begining of grand line in little garden…
mmmmmh indeed. If elbaf is in the new world, why did they go as far. I hope to see this, same for dorry and brogy but i doubt it (they still fighting :getlost:)
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They will most Likely run into that giant that they rescued on the Sabaody Archipelago
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Its one of Usopp's dreams to see the island of great brave warriors, and given how much Oda has set up said island, I think the readers would be incredibly dissapointed if we never saw it.
So, its porbably in the new world. And they'll get there once Usopp is a brave enough warrior to deserve to be there. Its sort of the final visual confirmation of his main dream, otherwise, its a little too abstract to say when he achieved his eventual goal.
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Also, there will eventually be an island of snipers, and a real Sogeking who becomes friends with Usopp. -
Yes, yes this thread was started almost two years ago.
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Think Pink. .
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Dorry and broggy are all part of rogers plan to protect one piece… (that was at least a better bump...)
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uuummm, when luffy fought the giant
the giant stopped luffy from moving and untill noe none of the strawhats have been able to stop giants that big (excluding oars) then agian nightmare lluffy was involved.also maybe the ruler ilabaf is the 4th yonkou.
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@bartholemew:
also maybe the ruler ilabaf is the 4th yonkou.
Hmm, that's a neat idea. If so, it's probably be the grinning, wide-faced one in the silhouette, as it looks vaguely female, and in line with Elbalf's viking image, it looks like a Valkyrie, i.e., not exactly skinny.
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I hope that "Elbaf Arc" will be peacefull, just adventure arc without "I will rule the world!" happening. THAT is overused already.
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In next chapter Luffy will use haki to save Ace from execution and maybe reach him also :D
At least he will shock everyone with his haki burst… I atleast hope so :( He better use haki.... it has been building up long enough...! now to wait three weeks to see if I was right.
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I have a theory that vegapunk knows the locations of all the strawhats and will tell franky were they are and give him some way to go get them.
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I have a theory that vegapunk knows the locations of all the strawhats and will tell franky were they are and give him some way to go get them.
I always assumed that his house on Machine Island was deserted and that he left the island alltogether and is now with the WG/Marine.