So Luffy's taken magic mushrooms, and two doses of pharmaceutical cocktails.
I'm going for cocaine as his drug'o'choice in the next arc.
That is, if he isn't comatose through the duration of the next arc.
Chapter 568 "Have it Your Own Damned Way" Discussion
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BB will come next ch. I know I have been saying that for the past three months but if at the end of 569 we do not see BB I will be shocked. This is the Ch were the Marines kick ass and like most stories the follow up CH will be where the pirates kick ass. And hopefully Oda will end the Ch with BB, which would be a great cliff hanger for the 3 week break
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That is, if he isn't comatose through the duration of the next arc.
I'm sure he'll score some uppers from nefarious drug peddler Ivankov to keep him going for a while.
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What's to misinterpret? He's pretty much saying that if Ace is executed while he's layed out then he'll be depressed. I only say "emo Luffy" (notice in quotation marks) because a lot of people throw the word around a ton (like saying Ace is being emo and whiny) so by their definition, I'd assume that a mourning Luffy would be dubbed emo. Congrats on still being in the camp that's sans common sense.
"If by not fighting now…I failed to save Ace...that...would make me want to die!!!"
It basically means if he didn't take the opportunity to keep fighting and didn't give his fullest, and Ace died because of that, he would regret it forever. We've known that for a long time. But Luffy will keep fighting until he's on the brink of death, so he won't have a lifelong regret. Which means though it would hit him hard, he wouldn't become ENGULFED IN DARKNESS AND GO ON A JOURNEY IN THE NAME OF CLICHE REVENGE.
Ace's development in this chapter, on the other hand, is a pretty strong argument against him dying this arc. I still think he will, though, and this development will eventually lead into him concluding his life was worth it, accepting his death, and dying with a smile like all Ds have done up to now.
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Who's the dude who "kills" the PX?
Random pirate or a known NW captain?I think thats Doma.
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Another prediction: If Ivankov doesn't heal Whitebeard, it seems like the pirates will be in deep shit…
So next chapter, Shanks/Dragon/Blackbeard is showing up. If they don't show up next chapter, they won't show at all.
Well, Blackbeard will, but not the other two =/
Believe is song ripped from a dance craze that involves women in as little clothing as possible and crazy sex. The only thing happy-go-lucky about it is my cock.
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It basically means if he didn't take the opportunity to keep fighting and didn't give his fullest, and Ace died because of that, he would regret it forever. We've known that for a long time. But Luffy will keep fighting until he's on the brink of death, so he won't have a lifelong regret. Which means though it would hit him hard, he wouldn't become ENGULFED IN DARKNESS AND GO ON A JOURNEY IN THE NAME OF CLICHE REVENGE.
Ace's development in this chapter, on the other hand, is a pretty strong argument against him dying this arc. I still think he will, though, and this development will eventually lead into him concluding his life was worth it, accepting his death, and dying with a smile like all Ds have done up to now.
Yeah I understood what Luffy said, which is why I said that Luffy will be depressed if Ace is executed while he himself is layed out and unable to fight to save Ace. I didn't notice how I worded the post before until afterwards, ah well. But I will say this, I doubt that Luffy would accept Ace's death any easier even if he can acknowledge that he tried his best but still failed. And please don't try to throw "Luffy's resolve is a theme of One Piece" at me, because I think that this one case would be an exception.
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I seriously doubt BB coming, why the hell would he?
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At least I hope WB takes down Aikanu before dying ! If his crew is decimated without any single big player from the marines getting down, it would be lame for the world strongest man's crew :-\
What Luffy is up to ? I can't imagine him fighting, suddenly becoming stronger than ever and changing the balance in this war. But I can see him having a big speech that will make the pirates and WB stand up again, and Garp having some doubts.
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I seriously doubt BB coming, why the hell would he?
Maybe he just can't take it anymore and wants to finish WB and/or the marines - now that would be fun :ninja:
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I seriously doubt BB coming, why the hell would he?
Because he wants to shock the world, and the entire attention of the world is on the war. Though I don't disregard the possibility that Oda could throw us a curveball and have BB do something totally unexpected and shocking, however him killing WB would cement him as the final boss as most expect him to be so I think that that's why most think he'll appear here.
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@Don:
lol yeah…they`re so hip, they have to belong to a woman:happy:
These are Gecko Moria's pants… Ok it's true, you said woman. XD
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Another prediction: If Ivankov doesn't heal Whitebeard, it seems like the pirates will be in deep shit…
So next chapter, Shanks/Dragon/Blackbeard is showing up. If they don't show up next chapter, they won't show at all.
Well, Blackbeard will, but not the other two =/
I forgot about Shanks and Dragon. I still think the shadow that is on the island with Perona and Zoro is Shanks and Robin is with the Revolutionaries so that could mean something. But don't like the idea of Luffy meeting Shanks or Dragon so soon. The Revolutionaries could come but not with Dragon but I agree if they don't show by next ch they won't show at all
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Yeah I understood what Luffy said, which is why I said that Luffy will be depressed if Ace is executed while he himself is layed out and unable to fight to save Ace. I didn't notice how I worded the post before until afterwards, ah well. But I will say this, I doubt that Luffy would accept Ace's death any easier even if he can acknowledge that he tried his best but still failed. And please don't try to throw "Luffy's resolve is a theme of One Piece" at me, because I think that this one case would be an exception.
Why would it be an exception. If Ace finally shows a common trait with his father and dies a Roger-ish death, I don't see a reason why Luffy wouldn't get over it after many manly tears. It would be perfectly in character to be inspired by his brother. Most of Luffy's crew has gone through very similar situations and they're the most happy-go-lucky people in the world, why do you insist that Luffy of all people would go Sasuke over it. Seriously you're just being thematically clueless about this comic.
@Polygon:I seriously doubt BB coming, why the hell would he?
Cause he said he would show the world something awesome pretty soon. What better place than
NinjaPirate World War III. -
Ok next chapter BB is coming with Dragon and Shanks. Wait… it could sound original if it had not already been said like 30 times per weeks since 2 months. Noobs.
Great chapter, i expect Luffy to kick some ass next chapter and give the motivation to WB pirates.
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LoL @ Luffy going SSJ.
Anyways I just think luffy new power up is nothing more than to fuel Marco Joz and WB to get back up. Luffy sucks and should be in east blue some where not fighting in this war.
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That is, if he isn't comatose through the duration of the next arc.
After Luffy was defeated by Aokiji.
@Stephen's:Zoro: Are we going to set sail, Nami?
Nami: Not with our captain the way he is… although we do have the Log.
We'll stay here for another day.
http://www.mangascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter321.txtThe Straw Hats will not go on to another island if Luffy is incapacitated.
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His words can easily be talking about the war itself. I just don't see anything for him to gain my coming.
Hmmm, dunno. I took his words as a pretty huge and blatant story promise. We'll see.
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Such a short chapter… Where the heck are the Shichibukai? Fighting fodder?
And just to be sure... Is there a chapter next week or is this the last chapter before the 2/3 week break?
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@Ghosty:
Such a short chapter… Where the heck are the Shichibukai? Fighting fodder?
And just to be sure... Is there a chapter next week or is this the last chapter before the 2/3 week break?
next spoilers will be out around 30 december
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No, it's clear that he himself is going to do something "shocking".
He even gave a timeframe.
**No it's not.
The timeframe could also be talking about the war, as the war was going to start in a few hours.**
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Why would it be an exception. If Ace finally shows a common trait with his father and dies a Roger-ish death, I don't see a reason why Luffy wouldn't get over it after many manly tears. It would be perfectly in character to be inspired by his brother. Most of Luffy's crew has gone through very similar situations and they're the most happy-go-lucky people in the world, why do you insist that Luffy of all people would go Sasuke over it. Seriously you're just being thematically clueless about this comic.
I'm not insisting on it because I simply don't see Ace dying in this, so any effect it would have on Luffy isn't something I dwell on. My thing is that I just don't see what killing Ace would do for the story that the more visibly inevitable death of WB wouldn't or couldn't, as it stands that death would show that the WG aren't bunglers and bring chaos to parts of if not the entire NW, whereas Ace dying doesn't accomplish much from a story progression standpoint.
And I see this as an exception because I don't think Oda would go the extent of killing Ace to drill into our minds the theme of Luffy's resolve and that's the only real thing that I can think of that Ace's death would do for the story. And my last issue is that we're lucky that it seems that Oda may actually do in Whitebeard, so I don't get why anyone would get their hopes up for a disappointment in the very high chance that Ace survives this. See you interpret his happiness in this chapter as him preparing to smile for the executioner, I see it as the sign that he'll live up to the dream that WB had for him and make a run at PK. And yeah, I know how much you had that idea.
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next spoilers will be out around 30 december
If it's like the past, we'll get spoilers next week and then spoilers 3 weeks later.
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Check the get ready for war thread. I'm out of the ace will die camp :)
That didn't take long.
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If it's like the past, we'll get spoilers next week and then spoilers 3 weeks later.
http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=1398931&postcount=445Thanks, this honestly didn't feel like a big enough cliffhanger before the break.
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**No it's not.
The timeframe could also be talking about the war, as the war was going to start in a few hours.**
He says "we"
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Those clown pants of Dadan's…I wonder if that guy sketched in I think the second Color Walk is supposed to be him.
Hm, really short chapter, but the promise of the finale rapidly approaching with the Marine's finally getting some decent hits in and Buggy being set up to do something big is promising.
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That didn't take long.
a user is only a user if he can accept the obvious. Struggling at this point would be completely dumb.
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You guys shouldn't debate BB with Polygon. He thinks BB is Lucci level.
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@Sir:
He thinks BB is Lucci level.
As a cold, lifeless and emotionless segment of concrete wall?
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He says "we"
**Which doesn't have to mean they are going to specially doing. Words can phrases can have more than one meaning you know.
I never said he won't show up, just that I don't see a single reason for him to.**
@Sir:
You guys shouldn't debate BB with Polygon. He thinks BB is Lucci level.
**Lol, h3h3h3's dumbassery has gotten to you huh?
All I ever said was that if Lucchi was where Luffy was when BB got punched, and soru'd him with a shigan to his throat, BB would be dead. I do not, in any way, think Lucchi is BB level.
It's hilarious how people twist words to try and seem smart.**
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He says "we"
This one is kinda hard to support isn't it? Now no offense to anyone who thinks that the war itself is what BB was hinting at but I thought that his appearance at the war was common sense due to how strongly it seems to be hinted at.
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Man, this chapter felt so short :sad: . We got to see more of Ace's past which is nice. Whitebeard is on the verge of death and Luffy is doping himself again. I wonder what effect those hormones will have after the war. Like will Luffy be out of commission for awhile? The Pacifistas finally show up again too. It looks like the Navy is getting the upper hand and the war could go either way. I like the title on Mangashare better than the one for this thread too.
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@Sir:
You guys shouldn't debate anything with Polygon.
Fixed it right there for you.
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Seriously what's the point of saying "in a few hours we're going to shake the world to it's core" if at the end he would do nothing?
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a user is only a user if he can accept the obvious. Struggling at this point would be completely dumb.
Well, I'd disagree with that. There are lots of users that stubbornly stick to things even after they've become totally unreasonable. I'd say what you describe is only a trait of good users.
Anyway, I'm impressed. You came out and manned up to it right away. I don't see that a lot around here. Props to you.
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Lol, h3h3h3's dumbassery has gotten to you huh?
All I ever said was that if Lucchi was where Luffy was when BB got punched, and soru'd him with a shigan to his throat, BB would be dead. I do not, in any way, think Lucchi is BB level.
It's hilarious how people twist words to try and seem smart.
Well this is a comic, people survive a lot especially in OP. Now when you asked me this scenario I was going to respond that BB would probably take the shigan then gag and roll around, just to eventually stand up and kurouzu Lucci.
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**Which doesn't have to mean they are going to specially doing. Words can phrases can have more than one meaning you know.
I never said he won't show up, just that I don't see a single reason for him to.**
You said:
His words can easily be talking about the war itself.
Which is what I was challenging, as there's no way Teach is talking about something not related to what he himself would be doing.
And since it is supposed to "shock the world", Teach doing something at Marineford is the most likely situation.
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I'm not insisting on it because I simply don't see Ace dying in this, so any effect it would have on Luffy isn't something I dwell on. My thing is that I just don't see what killing Ace would do for the story that the more visibly inevitable death of WB wouldn't or couldn't, as it stands that death would show that the WG aren't bunglers and bring chaos to parts of if not the entire NW, whereas Ace dying doesn't accomplish much from a story progression standpoint.
Ace dying would be a very interesting development for the main character, and together with Newgate's death it would set up the stage for a terrific second half of the story. Ace living would force Oda to keep one of his worst characters (Not even a matter of opinion on this one. He's simply personality devoid) as a big figure in the story, and if we go by what you're suggesting, he'd be following a dream he will absolutely never accomplish (Inheriting Whitebeard's will and becoming the Pirate King). Him being a friendly rival to Luffy would be a horrible scenario I don't think even Oda could handle in a palatable manner.
And I see this as an exception because I don't think Oda would go the extent of killing Ace to drill into our minds the theme of Luffy's resolve and that's the only real thing that I can think of that Ace's death would do for the story.
That's a terrible argument to discuss a what if. "I don't think it'll happen so I'll randomly claim if it did the main character would act completely out of character and become an overemotional faggot".
And my last issue is that we're lucky that it seems that Oda may actually do in Whitebeard, so I don't get why anyone would get their hopes up for a disappointment in the very high chance that Ace survives this.
"It seems that he may actually"? What? Whitebeard will die 100% for sure that was obvious like a year ago.
See you interpret his happiness in this chapter as him preparing to smile for the executioner, I see it as the sign that he'll live up to the dream that WB had for him and make a run at PK. And yeah, I know how much you had that idea.
Yeah…no. This chapter's development is impossible to interpret that way, the way you're interpreting it is perfectly fine. However, if my theory is correct, we'll be getting more moments like this one until Ace ends up respecting his father for what he was and THEN he'll be ready to smile at the execution platform.
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Fixed it right there for you.
Says the guy who thinks Croc and Moria aren't fodder to top tiers.
Seriously what's the point of saying "in a few hours we're going to shake the world to it's core" if at the end he would do nothing?
That doesn't make sense at all.**No, it doesn't make any sense. I was just listing a possible scenario, how typical of this forum to jump down a man's throat for saying something different. Reminds me of the time I got banned because I said Sengoku is stronger than the Admirals and everyone was like NUH IT SAYS ADMIRALS > ALL.
I don't even remember saying I don't think BB will show up/do something. I do, I just don't see any reason for him to show up yet and every chapter makes it seem less likely.**
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Anyone have the Japanese text? In Japanese it's possible the sentence literally said "soon, world will be shaken" without mentioning by what.
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Please some tell me that Polygon is that much of a dumbfuck to reply to me albeit me clearly stating that I put him on my igno list. PLEASE!!!^^
Anyway, I'm impressed. You came out and manned up to it right away. I don't see that a lot around here. Props to you.
Agreed, props to MagneticMonkey for…for once. ;P
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Says the guy who thinks Croc and Moria aren't fodder to top tiers.
Croc is because of his blatantly obvious weakness, and ONLY because of that. Moria's difficulty is situational. We have no idea what went down during the Kaidou fight, and from Chapter 0's evidence, Moria in his prime was a fit, probably extremely powerful man who fought evenly with a Yonkou (Kaidou). In the Luffy Fight he was punch drunk because he ate way too many Shadows for him to handle and went into a berserker state, and Jimbei probably punched him so damn fast that he didn't have time to switch with Doppleganger. I seriously doubt he racked up a 320,000,000 for being weaksauce. He's gotten fat, lazy, and perhaps slightly weaker because of his depression, but it still doesn't mean he's any less of a force to be reckoned with.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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I don't get wat Luffy will do to Kizaru and Fleet admiral. He just going to get his ass whipped again like last time. Unless Garp helpes him. Their should be no wqay in hell Luffy can hit any admiral.(But lets wait and see).
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@Sanigo: You actually think Oda will kill named characters outside of flashbacks? He didn't even have Spandam die and he was a fucking asshole with no real reason to reappear and he had his spine snapped into fragments. Lucci was emotionless (to quote your nonsensical point "it's not even a matter of opinion"!) and a bad guy who got absolutely devastated by Luffy and he's still alive. Pell had a supposedly city-destroying bomb explode as he held it in his claws (or it was damn close) and he survived.
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**Someone please tell Ivotas I am just that much of a dumbfuck. :)
Don't know what I've ever done to him to make him dislike me so much? Debate with him? Can a man not stand his ground over here? Really it's pathetic how some of you act over something so trivial.
Anyway, like I was saying, there is still a possibility BB won't show up. Words can be interpreted in different ways and the original Japanese text may imply something different. But, if he is going to show up, I don't see how it will benefit him. That is what's puzzling me.
Maybe he's plans to do something crazy somewhere else whilst the war is going down.**
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Chapter was great. I think Squardo will somehow save WB"s ass on time in this fight.
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Even though I think BB will do something significant in the near future, I do see where Polygon is coming from. It's true that he said that he'll "shake the world" - and again, I'd like to see the original Japanese to see if it was translated misleadingly - but a few chapters ago I seem to remember Sengoku saying that even he and Garp are going to have to get involved, then rolling up his sleeves to fight. But that action was forgotten and he's just standing there again.
