I don't see why Noro Noro Beam wouldn't work on Kizaru.
Chapter 566 "Fierce Attack" Discussion
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Because he's already a slowpoke?
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lol mentally, perhaps.
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I thought of everyone there at the moment, our 'Diamond Human' could provide the biggest challenge to Kizaru. But that all depends on how Oda wants the physics of his characters to work.
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He blocked a downward jumping slash from probably the strongest marine Giant with only one hand.
That’s the bare minimum you’d expect from someone dubbed the world’s strongest man
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I thought of everyone there at the moment, our 'Diamond Human' could provide the biggest challenge to Kizaru. But that all depends on how Oda wants the physics of his characters to work.
That would be awesome if Jozu just reflects all of Kizaru's attacks and gives him a nice solid punch right in the face. However, even though I kid about Kizaru perhaps being retarded, I think he is intelligent(at least in battle), and can probably do something along the lines of attacking the land around Jozu to mess him up, or if need be just run away and let someone like Akainu handle it. Unless of course Oda wants to make Soru the official rehash move.
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lol Poor Kizaru is slow~ So if he turned into light the exact moment the Noro Noro beam hit him…would he still be affected as much as anyone else? :ninja:
I can imagine him trying to hit Jozu with an attack and have it returned back to him.
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I don't see why Noro Noro Beam wouldn't work on Kizaru.
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I am not saying it wouldn't work. I am asking if light can affect light.
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I am not saying you said it wouldn't work. I am answer I don't see why it couldn't.
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:ninja: Ok ok ~
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But wait, using shounen logic
, shouldn't Kizaru's true light rays be faster than Foxy's light rays - thus making the latter unable to catch up to the first?
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lol Poor Kizaru is slow~ So if he turned into light the exact moment the Noro Noro beam hit him…would he still be affected as much as anyone else? :ninja:
I can imagine him trying to hit Jozu with an attack and have it returned back to him.
But wait, using shounen logic
, shouldn't Kizaru's true light rays be faster than Foxy's light rays - thus making the latter unable to catch up to the first?Before moving on to "shounen logic" how about using basic logic, if he is hit, it has already caught up.
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Knowing Kizaru, he would let the noro beam hit him(/sit there and watch it come towards him curiously).
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Moshi Mosh
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I thought of everyone there at the moment, our 'Diamond Human' could provide the biggest challenge to Kizaru. But that all depends on how Oda wants the physics of his characters to work.
Kizaru couldn't shoot Joz but theres no reason he would be unaffected by a physical kick. Even if Oda decided he can't be cracked(with a single or many kicks) he should certainly be flung away like Urouge.
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Thank you for lacking reading comprehension.
Not really a matter of reading comprehension , you say they don't look like they depend on there intangibility. When ever we see them do something they use it .
Also if kizaru did not think getting cut was a big deal why did he stop using his powers expect the sword , why did he say the fight just got harder . To me this show that cut means time to stop fucking around and get serious or i can get kill. Which mean it got his attention .
I mean the only time logia people take someone serious is when they can hit them which show how much they use there intangibility.
TLG , FFVIIR and Shenmue 3 2015 the E3 of dreams .
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Kizaru couldn't shoot Joz but theres no reason he would be unaffected by a physical kick. Even if Oda decided he can't be cracked(with a single or many kicks) he should certainly be flung away like Urouge.
I was thinking along the lines of what might happen if he got trapped in him if Jozu turned into a diamond and then reverted back to a human.
But the possibility of a light human facing a darkness human is…well it has to be done.
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Noob question here, Could light be contained/stored?
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Noob question here, Could light be contained?
Go put a lantern in the fridge.(yes)
…....idk about by diamond though, it reflects it, and passes through it, interesting
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A lantern? Isnt that creating light rather than storing it?
The thought of BB fighting Kizaru is really interesting.
Light and Darkness, I wonder if Kizaru's light would be strong enough to get out of BB's blackhole…. X3
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Could Kizaru be trapped within a light dial (or many light dials to possibly weaken him enough to not escape?)
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Diamond has one of the largest naturally occurring indexes of refraction. I think a scene where Kizaru shoots some beam of light at Jozu only to have it bend and hit an ally would be pretty entertaining.
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Diamond has one of the largest naturally occurring indexes of refraction. I think a scene where Kizaru shoots some beam of light at Jozu only to have it bend and hit an ally would be pretty entertaining.
If Kizaru was smart he would fire his laser at Joz right now. He might end up hitting half of the Division Commanders if Joz would activate his diamond ability to take the incoming attack.
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DISCO LIGHT JOZU…. wooo... I wonder if JANGO will Dance to that... Lol
Just curious, could WB's quakes affect the direction of Kizaru's attacks? I mean quake it enough to disperse it
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It will power him up
Jango is the werewolf of disco balls.
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Hmmm a JANGO vs. BROOKE in the future. That would be interesting, Battle of Music and Dance… :ninja:
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And he can't be hypnotized, his eyes don't see the ring, because he has no eyes, yohohoho. Skull Joke.
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Speaking of Jango, where the heck has he been along with Fullbody?! D:
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I think his hiding in one of those buildings
Hmmm … on the other note. I hope Whitebeard's beard is detachable, there must be a clip there somewhere... hehe... woot woot... SUPER BOOMERANG of DOOM... :ninja:
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First boomerang mascara, then boomerang sideburns, but there was one left, boomerang mustache(this must be WBs secret plan).
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ROFL! While I was making campaigns for Whitebeard, I was trying to add a boomerang as his mustache but because it didn't fit that well, I ended up not making that one. XD I regret it now.
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If Kizaru was smart he would fire his laser at Joz right now. He might end up hitting half of the Division Commanders if Joz would activate his diamond ability to take the incoming attack.
Not if he fears that joz is clever enough (which might depend on how much control he has on the "diamond patterns") to reflect his beams back on the marines which would be a disaster.
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I wonder if there is anyone in the marines that have the opposite DF powers of Jozu? Something soft and can absorb damage. That would be something worth thinking about.
Wooo…. Who was the name of that guy with rust DF powers? He would be an interesting match for Daz Bones
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Actually that's why I said anyone that 'could' grasp them. That is to say, in their elemental or 'other' state. Not simply touch them, but manipulate the magma or ice.
Whereas light or fire simply cannot be grasped, only contained or redirected by most others.
Well yeah I figured that, I should have been more specific.
I meant just about the feeling pain part, like while Robin had Kuzan in that lock he didn't seem to be in pain or even bothered by it. To a lesser extent with Luffy's Gomu Gomu Bullet and the kick prior to using Gomu Gomu Storm.
Not really a matter of reading comprehension , you say they don't look like they depend on there intangibility. When ever we see them do something they use it .
Also if kizaru did not think getting cut was a big deal why did he stop using his powers expect the sword , why did he say the fight just got harder . To me this show that cut means time to stop fucking around and get serious or i can get kill. Which mean it got his attention .
I mean the only time logia people take someone serious is when they can hit them which show how much they use there intangibility.
Again, not the point I was making.
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I wonder if Borsalino could make his mental synapses move at light speed…?
That would be interesting.
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Don't mental processes move really fast to begin with though? Probably not light speed but I'd guess pretty close.
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I meant just about the feeling pain part, like while Robin had Kuzan in that lock he didn't seem to be in pain or even bothered by it.
Hmm, not quite what I mean. We know he can break into parts and feels no (at least doesn't appear to) any pain, but if someone could manipulate those actual pieces that he's capable of breaking into, would it affect the Logia based on tangible elements and such?
Maybe, maybe not. While obviously their 'natural enemies' can handle them this way, I'm interested in knowing how/why/if others can physically man-handle them, and not just legendary wrecking balls like Rayleigh, if he is indeed 'normal' himself.
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Kizaru attacking Jozu should go like this
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And on the goat topic: I have this little theory that Goat ate the Vampire Vampire fruit, which explains it hasnt aged at all in 20 years and turns it into a Reverse Chupacabra which is FUCKING AWESOME
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Kizaru attacking Jozu should go like this
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And on the goat topic: I have this little theory that Goat ate the Vampire Vampire fruit, which explains it hasnt aged at all in 20 years and turns it into a Reverse Chupacabra which is FUCKING AWESOME
Lol Rainbow Kizaru ftw
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I sincerely hope that somehow happens. Although the awesomeness of it would be lost in the black and white of the manga pages. Maybe a color spread? xD
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This is just pure speculation, but Oda said about a year ago in an SBS that Vegapunk would explain DFs eventually. I have a feeling that the DFs' powers are a reflection of the person's soul. That is, it doesn't matter what the fruit looks like; the effects will vary depending on who eats it. There's evidence to the contrary, which includes several mentions of DF encyclopedias and picture books, but stop and think for a minute. Luffy is a Rubberman. If you compare his ability to stretch and manipulate himself with his personality, it's a perfect fit. Teach is a Darkman. He's evil, cunning, manipulating, like the darkness. Moria is a Shadowman. He's lazy, willing to let others do his work, and large. Just like how a shadow is always following you, is only copying what the body is doing, and is larger than we are.
So on and so forth. We have the example of Blackbeard killing Thatch to get the Yami Yami no Mi, but who's to say that it would have really made him a Darkman like Teach? Perhaps the previous consumer of the fruit was, like Teach, evil and therefore the fruit he ate made him a Darkman. Thus, that's how they categorized the fruits.
The biggest evidence for this is Kaku and Calipha's almost near-instant Mastery of their Devil Fruits. Being that they're the ONLY people we've seen eat DFs in present time (or at all, besides Luffy and Buggy in flashbacks), and then use them immediately thereafter (we never actually saw Buggy or Luffy doing on-screen training with their fruits), it begs the question of how they were able to so rapidly adapt to the usage of their fruits. If the fruits are a reflection of one's own soul, then the reason they were able to manipulate them so well in such a short period of time is easily explained. Granted, we saw in the Kaku fight that he was still experimenting with his fruit, but Calipha had near perfect mastery of hers from the start of the fight. Though that is irrelevant, considering Calipha is likely more intelligent than Kaku.
Now, let's observe the shape of their fruits. Kaku's looked like a banana, and Calipha's looked fairly generic. Spandam mentioned that he didn't know what fruits they were. Since Kaku's was a banana, everyone assumed that he would gain the Saru Saru no Mi. Instead, we got the Ushi Ushi no Mi: Model Kirin. A Giraffeman. Suppose for a second that the original eater of said fruit… was indeed a Monkeyman. With that said, when he dies and the fruit is reborn, it would make sense for it to be something reflecting a simian. But, if my theory is correct, the reflection of Kaku's soul, despite the fruit having come from a monkeyman, turned him into a giraffeman.
Let's look at inanimate objects, now. Normally, people don't consider things such as guns, or toasters, or swords to be living. But Shintoism believes that even inanimate objects have spirits. Let's assume, for a minute, that the objects we've seen as Zoans have such a strong desire to be living, through whatever process Vegapunk discovered to infuse them, these objects manifest their innermost desires and become living. Ivotas, I remember a while back that you had a thread asking if the DF-infused objects like Lassoo and Funkfreed were demons. What if, rather than demons, they were just simply the object themselves coming to life?
Lastly, let's look at young people with fruits. Robin. Chopper. Even Ace. Luffy doesn't count because of the situation, so we have these three to analyze. Where did Robin get hers? She was a semi-orphan living with her relatives while her mother and father were away. She lived on a tiny Island in West Blue with no friends except the scholars of Ohara. That said, how would she obtain a fruit? Unless her parents fed it to her when she was an infant, or the Scholars gave it to her (extremely unlikely), she would've had to come across it. Where? And how? If my theory is correct, perhaps the fruit manifest out of the strong-willed person's desires. They can go looking all they want for the fruit, but until it appears and manifests due to their will being strong enough, it doesn't exist. That said, it applies to Chopper's desires as well, and perhaps even Ace's. Granted, Chopper lived on a larger island with a lot of wilderness, and Ace grew up in the mountains of the Red Line nearby Windmill Village with Dadan and Luffy, but he didn't have his fruit, supposedly, until after he left. Or maybe he did, but had no desire to reveal it to Luffy or Dadan. Either way... Luffy didn't know about it, but he almost immediately had it after leaving home to go on his Adventure. This is a theory, but suppose that the reason we get a flashback about Ace and Luffy making a promise together, is because that sort of flashback triggered the manifest of Ace's fruit.
This is all pure speculation at this point until Vegapunk explains DFs, but I truly believe that regardless of what the fruit shows in the fruit dictionary, it won't always end up granting the person with said power unless their soul matches that of the previous user. Also, the fruit will not manifest until the person is ready for it.
That's all I've got.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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That's an incredibly good theory there.
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@Fire Fist:
Stop and think for a minute. Luffy is a Rubberman. If you compare his ability to stretch and manipulate himself with his personality, it's a perfect fit. Teach is a Darkman. He's evil, cunning, manipulating, like the darkness. Moria is a Shadowman. He's lazy, willing to let others do his work, and large. Just like how a shadow is always following you, is only copying what the body is doing, and is larger than we are.
Tha…..Oda..does that on purpose.
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wow, awesome theory, i might be inclined to believe this until oda tell us different. There are certainly a lot of coincidences in the one piece world as far as devil fruits go that would support this theory, e.g. pell and chaka both coincidentally having fruits that correspond with sand kingdoms (jackal and falcon). The existence of devil fruit encyclopedias though and blackbeard's statement that he had looked up the type of fruit that corresponds with the yami yami no mi and then found it in the possession of his crewmate makes me think this theory falls just a tad short. this is too much of a coincidence. The similarities between kaku and califa and their respective fruits is very attenuated. The best i can come up with for califa is that she is very neat and organized or "clean" and thus gets the soap fruit, and for kaku…..i dunno, his long and lanky body gives him a giraffe like appearance? but then again there are scores of lanky fruit users who didn't get the giraffe fruit earlier.Also i dont see how the inanimate object argument fits into your theory. If they had a strong desire to live and were reflecting this in their fruits, shouldnt there be some evidence of this? I dont see anything linking funkfried to being an elephant. Finally, if you are right about determination making chopper, robin and ace's fruit appear, this still leaves wide open any linking of their fruit to their "souls". Perhaps you are leaving this part up to speculation and maybe oda is doing this same, but i dont think he would leave something as important as devil fruits THAT wide open
All this being said, its a very good theory and i think its a lot closer than a lot of other one piece fans have come to what the truth is
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I have a feeling that the DFs' powers are a reflection of the person's soul.
You wrote an awful lot but it's a shame that you've forgotten that there's an actual book that has documented many, if not all, of the DFs and what they do.
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@Fire Fist:
This is just pure speculation, but Oda said about a year ago in an SBS that Vegapunk would explain DFs eventually. I have a feeling that the DFs' powers are a reflection of the person's soul. That is, it doesn't matter what the fruit looks like; the effects will vary depending on who eats it. There's evidence to the contrary, which includes several mentions of DF encyclopedias and picture books, but stop and think for a minute. Luffy is a Rubberman. If you compare his ability to stretch and manipulate himself with his personality, it's a perfect fit. Teach is a Darkman. He's evil, cunning, manipulating, like the darkness. Moria is a Shadowman. He's lazy, willing to let others do his work, and large. Just like how a shadow is always following you, is only copying what the body is doing, and is larger than we are.
So on and so forth. We have the example of Blackbeard killing Thatch to get the Yami Yami no Mi, but who's to say that it would have really made him a Darkman like Teach? Perhaps the previous consumer of the fruit was, like Teach, evil and therefore the fruit he ate made him a Darkman. Thus, that's how they categorized the fruits.
The biggest evidence for this is Kaku and Calipha's almost near-instant Mastery of their Devil Fruits. Being that they're the ONLY people we've seen eat DFs in present time (or at all, besides Luffy and Buggy in flashbacks), and then use them immediately thereafter (we never actually saw Buggy or Luffy doing on-screen training with their fruits), it begs the question of how they were able to so rapidly adapt to the usage of their fruits. If the fruits are a reflection of one's own soul, then the reason they were able to manipulate them so well in such a short period of time is easily explained. Granted, we saw in the Kaku fight that he was still experimenting with his fruit, but Calipha had near perfect mastery of hers from the start of the fight. Though that is irrelevant, considering Calipha is likely more intelligent than Kaku.
Now, let's observe the shape of their fruits. Kaku's looked like a banana, and Calipha's looked fairly generic. Spandam mentioned that he didn't know what fruits they were. Since Kaku's was a banana, everyone assumed that he would gain the Saru Saru no Mi. Instead, we got the Ushi Ushi no Mi: Model Kirin. A Giraffeman. Suppose for a second that the original eater of said fruit… was indeed a Monkeyman. With that said, when he dies and the fruit is reborn, it would make sense for it to be something reflecting a simian. But, if my theory is correct, the reflection of Kaku's soul, despite the fruit having come from a monkeyman, turned him into a giraffeman.
Let's look at inanimate objects, now. Normally, people don't consider things such as guns, or toasters, or swords to be living. But Shintoism believes that even inanimate objects have spirits. Let's assume, for a minute, that the objects we've seen as Zoans have such a strong desire to be living, through whatever process Vegapunk discovered to infuse them, these objects manifest their innermost desires and become living. Ivotas, I remember a while back that you had a thread asking if the DF-infused objects like Lassoo and Funkfreed were demons. What if, rather than demons, they were just simply the object themselves coming to life?
Lastly, let's look at young people with fruits. Robin. Chopper. Even Ace. Luffy doesn't count because of the situation, so we have these three to analyze. Where did Robin get hers? She was a semi-orphan living with her relatives while her mother and father were away. She lived on a tiny Island in West Blue with no friends except the scholars of Ohara. That said, how would she obtain a fruit? Unless her parents fed it to her when she was an infant, or the Scholars gave it to her (extremely unlikely), she would've had to come across it. Where? And how? If my theory is correct, perhaps the fruit manifest out of the strong-willed person's desires. They can go looking all they want for the fruit, but until it appears and manifests due to their will being strong enough, it doesn't exist. That said, it applies to Chopper's desires as well, and perhaps even Ace's. Granted, Chopper lived on a larger island with a lot of wilderness, and Ace grew up in the mountains of the Red Line nearby Windmill Village with Dadan and Luffy, but he didn't have his fruit, supposedly, until after he left. Or maybe he did, but had no desire to reveal it to Luffy or Dadan. Either way... Luffy didn't know about it, but he almost immediately had it after leaving home to go on his Adventure. This is a theory, but suppose that the reason we get a flashback about Ace and Luffy making a promise together, is because that sort of flashback triggered the manifest of Ace's fruit.
This is all pure speculation at this point until Vegapunk explains DFs, but I truly believe that regardless of what the fruit shows in the fruit dictionary, it won't always end up granting the person with said power unless their soul matches that of the previous user. Also, the fruit will not manifest until the person is ready for it.
That's all I've got.
Oh… interesting
So Tsuru chan is a very tidy person
In the case of Absalom and Sanji, Absalom is much more Perverted than Sanji... hence the Invisible DF.
Noro Noro for Lazy Foxy
hmmm...cant think of a relation between Enel's personality and his DF though
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You wrote an awful lot but it's a shame that you've forgotten that there's an actual book that has documented many, if not all, of the DF's and what they do.
@Fire Fist:
There's evidence to the contrary, which includes several mentions of DF encyclopedias and picture books, but […] I truly believe that regardless of what the fruit shows in the fruit dictionary, it won't always end up granting the person with said power unless their soul matches that of the previous user. Also, the fruit will not manifest until the person is ready for it.
Oh, he didn't forget that…
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A very good theory, but I disagree with it.
If the fruits modified to match the user's personalities, I'm sure the WG would have worked it out. Or not. Either way, I believe that the fruit has their power and it stays the same.
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Admittedly I read the first two lines and skipped the rest but I'd have to shoot it down just the same since it basically makes no sense from Oda's perspective to complicate the story to that end. We have no evidence to suggest such a system exists other than a few nice coincidences which makes it no different than the 'Shichibukai = 7 Deadly Sins" theory.
I mean…if Moria's soul had to match his fruit, he'd only be able to match the Noro Noro Fruit and Foxy, who on the other hand is a live-wire, wouldn't be able to handle a fruit that slows stuff down.
If anything the reverse is true, the fruits have created what their owners are.
Of course stranger things have happened.
Like the Zoan prison guards' hands actually being the clue to their 'awakened' state.
