Wow, wow, wow! One Piece is just too epic right now. I could read this chapter a million times over!
Chapter 554 "Admiral Akainu" Discussion
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Krieg didn't throw Luffy in the river. The river just so happend to be the place Luffy fell in. Luffy won the fight fair and square. If it was a different terrian Luffy would of still been standing.
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You are dodging the point that Krieg won when he threw Luffy into the water.
Plus, how exhausted could he possibly get trying to kill an unconscious man. Let me run down that scenario. Krieg grabs sword from random crewmate and stabs Luffy. Now Luffy's dead. You see what you did.
Luffy knock Krieg out before he fall into the ocean!!! Sanji help Luffy out of the water. Krieg men help him up, Krieg unconsciously denying the fact that he lost. Oh yeah, he is still unconscious!!! That place is a bad place for Luffy to fight in but he still manage to knock Krieg out before he fall into the Ocean.
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You are dodging the point that Krieg won when he threw Luffy into the water.
Plus, how exhausted could he possibly get trying to kill an unconscious man. Let me run down that scenario. Krieg grabs sword from random crewmate and stabs Luffy. Now Luffy's dead. You see what you did.
He was uncounscious already so he lost he wouldn't do anything more after that…Gin knocked him out knowing that.
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He was uncounscious already so he lost he wouldn't do anything more after that…Gin knocked him out knowing that.
Exactly!! please convince him, I don't feel like repeating myself anymore.
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Phoenix Zoan blew my mind. Who the heck did Oz bang to get sons?
In Oda We Trust
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Gin won the battle between Krieg and Luffy
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@Geo:
Phoenix Zoan blew my mind. Who the heck did Oz bang to get sons?
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess a female member of his race, but that's just me bein' crazy
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@Geo:
Phoenix Zoan blew my mind. Who the heck did Oz bang to get sons?
Maybe he lays eggs.
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Krieg > Crocodile > Luffy > Mohmoo
THIS IS THE ORDER OF THE WORLD!!!If only you knew how stupid you sound. I'll explain this slowly.
Krieg fought Luffy. Krieg beat Luffy. There you have it.
If you still don't believe me you should try to read the manga.
Krieg won the fight.
You are only seeing what the words are telling you
Is Luffy the "winner"? Yes.
But he lost the fight. Krieg > LuffyYou are dodging the point that Krieg won when he threw Luffy into the water.
Judging from the first quote, this guy is just trolling. Either that or he's high on shrooms whenever he reads One Piece.
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@Pirate_King_Sage:
You mean WAS? Luffy took that away after revealing what an asshole Croc IS.
Yep
Croc DID put Luffy in near-death states both times, if that what you mean by defeated. Although Luffy could have very well died after those 2 fights, he didnt. Robin saved him and the missed water blasts saved him. Croc was a moron for not finishing the job which affects how "strong" he is overall.
Indeed he was
Strength isn't only determined by brute force. It is also determined by strategy, tactics, intelligence,….the ability to see things through.... and other things that people seem to ignore these days.
No one had strategy, tactics and intelligence in that match except for Luffy one time, and even that was quickly put into the match and the match proceeded like always.
On another note, Luffy went into battle with Croc not fully knowing/understanding Crocs power which is the obvious reason why he lost the first time. The 2nd time, Luffy was smart enough to devise a plan to get Croc wet but failed due to lack of skill but lived due to his Will (others call this Luck or coincidence but people need to realize that this is the extent of Luffy's WILL TO LIVE AND FULFILL HIS DREAM which is why he will become Pirate King)
Oda made it pretty clear that even knowing his powers, Luffy got owned anyways.
This, IMO shouldn't even be a point. Whose fault is it that Croc was so stupid/haughty/ignorant/[insert excuse here] to not go "Full Blast" on Luffy in the end? Maybe he underestimated Luffy…who knows. But what we do know is that Luffy's Storm broke through his Sables like cheesecake....and we do know that Luffy was "smart/clever" enough to use his blood as the medium to utterly embarassing Croc.
Its true that he was stupid/haughty/ignorant.
Croc lost his Shichi status. Even if he officially didn't lose the status…he did in my eyes for getting owned so hard by someone he "supposedly" defeated twice. Plus Luffy gets a A+ for all the beautifully displayed face bashes he managed to embarass Croc with.
Agreed
It's an excuse for me to bow out if I realize that you're still as stubborn as ever. It seems that you are so I'm done. I'll be curteous to you and answer your questions before I leave, though.
Stubborn as ever?
This is an argument, what did you expect?It's hard to say honestly. Luffy was to a point where he wasn't going to stop until he finished things, which is kind of his theme. Having said that, if's are worthless. How about if Luffy had gear second? If's are stupid.
Ok
You can't just toss mentality out. That's a huge part of a fight, and like one of the primary reasons that people think Luffy can be Pirate King (Zeff). That's like saying "oh, well let's say that Croc wasn't made of sand". I'm pretty sure I saw you admit for yourself that haki and mentality could be tied together.
I agree with you.
Maybe if Luffy fought against Crocodile again, Luffy would win because of Crocodile's mentality.Let's not, however, avoid the issue, Urouge.
By brute strenght and devil power fruit, who would own the other?
Its simple, really.
But to answer your silly question: Yes, in you're extremely deluded world Luffy would probably lose back then. Luffy probably wouldn't lose even in those stupid conditions at this point of the story, though, now that he has gear second. Croc would have no chance of keeping up.
Im happy you finally conceded the (only) point (i was trying to make).
About Luffy VS Crocodile now, I'm not sure, so I won't speak about that, feel free to say whatever you want, it could go either way.
Oh you're clever, you say you won't read my post yet parrot it back with minor changes so obviously you read it, and like I said I'm not gonna argue you with you because you repeat the same crap after it's been pretty well refuted because you're ridiculously stubborn and I don't feel like sifting through your tl;dr posts. Finally you and this fanboy crap, here Mihawk is gay and will lose to Zoro… Voilá. You on the other hand would give yourself an aneurism if you tried to speak bad of Croc and Moria.
Oh, you're clever, you say you won't read my post yet parrot it back without minor changes so obviously you read it, and like I said, no matter how tl:dr and stubborn my arguments are, you haven't managed to counter argue with them even once and it has not been refuted at all. Finally you and this fanboy crap, here Crocodile is gay and will be a slave to Luffy at the end of the series… Voila. You on the other hand would give yourself an aneurism if you tried to speak bad of Mihawk
No. They are not. The person closest to One Piece is probably some guy on the front of a boat that is physically the closest to Raftel.
HERP DERP.
Not nessacarily. You don't know if they are the strongest, just that they are very strong. Their could easily be another "Blackbeard" out there that they never heard of that is stronger.
The only reason why Blackbeard wasn't famous was because he was hidden in the shadow of Whitebeard.
Luffy isn't in any shadow at all.You don't know how many turned down the offer to be a Shichibukai. He only had a 81 million bounty before he became one. 11 rookies got higher ones in a couple monthes (Though it can't be said that bounty = strength).
Bounty doesn't mean strenght, the World Government saw his strenght and made him a offer.
"I WILL SURPASS YOU" = "I WILL BECOME STRONGER THAN YOU" in a nutshell.
If he surpassed the guy above him than he is stronger than him."I WILL SURPASS YOU" = "I WILL DEFEAT YOU" in a Nutshell.
If he surpassed the guy above him then he defeated him.
Great.That is completely hypothetical so it means nothing.
Agreed.
However, my only point from the beginning was that Crocodile is physycally stronger than Luffy was on Alabasta.
And maybe now.
So… really... THAT'S MY ONLY POINT FROM THE BEGINNING.Just agree with it like Urouge and move on.
Yahhhhhh he can fight better. That means he is stronger…. no.
Its the only thing I'm basing myself on.
But fine, my argument turned from "Crocodile is stronger than Luffy" to "Crocodile would defeat Luffy if he didn't have emotional problems".
Fine, its a lot longer, but its what I mean.So if Croc was a different person mentally he would win? Ok, I agree. But he isn't.
YOU AGREE WITH MY ONLY POINT?
LE GASPWell then, thanks for conceding the only point I had from the beginning.@GolD.:
Okay U R right. Crocodile is better than Luffy and is considered by the world gov't as a much more powerful, talented and skilled criminal. With that being said Luffy still beat Croc, Croc lost man, U gotta get past that.
I got past that 300 chapters ago.
1 - So what??? Yes Crocodile is considered a better criminal by the WG. And according 2the WG Luffy isn't on Croc's lvl yet. Oda helps enforce this idea by showing us how Luffy would only B a lvl 5 prisoner and how a shichibukai would B a lvl 6 prisoner in Impel Down. However this system itself is flawed due 2how the WG constantly covers up Luffy's achievements.
Altough I'm not exactly arguing this, I may as well answer like I did before:
The Government hides it to the other guys, not to themselves, bro.2 - And Luffy defeated Croc once, in a world of pirates where all is fair and square. And I think that going by Oda the last win is the only one that really matters.
"Going by Oda"?
Whatever.3 - Of course he didn't. Crocodile while his mentality may not B functioning at its upper limit Crocodile is very smart. Smart enough 2betray the WG and keep the WG in the dark about his actions while starting a war and leading his own lil' mafia. His loss 2Luffy was purely logical.
I'm not talking about his smartness.
Besides, he didn't use it in a match, much like Luffy only used a little of it.I.E. If someone comes 2fight U with his bare hands and U shoot him multiple times with a pistol, then he returns later and U shoot him multiple times with a shotgun, when he returns again Ur gonna realize that apparently bullets aren't gonna work on this guy and U'll either fight him with Ur own bare hands (or Ur gonna run away).
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No I wont... LOLIf Luffy and Crocodile fight had gone differently back then Croc would've probably won. And if they were 2fight now it is unknown who would win. After all Croc could basically teleport while in the desert and he seemed nearly unstoppable, but who's 2say that he'll B faster than Luffy's gear 2nd. Or if they will even fight in the desert. No one knows what mysteries the future holds. We only know the past and present and presently Luffy has had the last laugh against Croc so 2speak.
=DI agree.
Im not sure who would win now, so I won't speak about that.
It would be a good match up, but frankly, I'm not interested in seeing it as of now because of how the story is going. -
Here you go Jadosra, you say that Croc would've won using his sand powers and I say he still would've lost because I doubt Croc would be able to hit him because Luffy is a genius in a fight and Croc showed him his full arsenal, plus since Luffy could hit him the result would've been the same.
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I disagree with you.
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I think Crocodile used a desert spada in the end out of desperation.
And luffy avoided it.
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I think this has nothing to do with chapter 554. May be a somewhat radical opinion though.
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1 - So what??? Yes Crocodile is considered a better criminal by the WG. And according 2the WG Luffy isn't on Croc's lvl yet. Oda helps enforce this idea by showing us how Luffy would only B a lvl 5 prisoner and how a shichibukai would B a lvl 6 prisoner in Impel Down. However this system itself is flawed due 2how the WG constantly covers up Luffy's achievements.
Actually, lvl 6 has nothing to do with strenght. The prisoners on lvl 6 could very well be of lvl 1 strength, since that level is only there to cover up horrific crimes, such as the one Crocodile commited in Alabasta, decieving the WG for 5 years.
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I disagree with you.
Crocodile has a lot of sand powers, is also very quick, and if mentally stable, a genius.In the 2nd fight Croc got so pissed because he was getting beaten so then he pulled out what was implied to be his best sand attack and dried the entire ground out, this is the only reason he caught Luffy with his right hand because of him using his ultimate attack to set it up. Because Luffy dodged his right hand easily in the third fight and counterattacked, plus Luffy punched right through sables and because Croc had already showed him his best attack, one can say he would've won against Croc anyway.
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Current Luffy knows his weakness, Luffy is gonna rip Croc a new asshole.
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I think this has nothing to do with chapter 554. May be a somewhat radical opinion though.
Actually, the entire war is going to stop and turn to watch Luffy vs Croc round 4 in the main plaza.
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And then Luffy goes gear 2nd, pees on Croc and hands Croc's ass back to him in a tray.
Seriously, Jadosra, give it a rest. Crocodile was physically stronger than Luffy? REALLY? I will not answer when you retaliate with your noncessant pedantic repetitions, but I will tell you this:
If Croc was physically stronger than Luffy, then why the hell did Luffy, who's only real asset is his physical strength, speed and agility, beat croc up (badly) in a straight up fight? Are you really going to go with it? When Croc couldn't keep up physically with an Alabasta Luffy are you really going to keep the delusion that MAYBE Croc is stronger than Luffy now?
Croc has a way more powerful DF. It's a Logia. In power, Logias are unmatched. But physically? No. And you sound like an asshole when you preach that you are the almighty god of logic and we are the unwilling ignorants who don't listen. Go away or talk about something else. Please. You have bombarded a section that has nothing to do with this with a topic only you wish to discuss and that people only take up because they are annoyed by you.
Not interested in your reply, but I figure you're going to make one anyway.
Edit: I'm just going to quote your post so you don't bitch-ass edit your way out of this.
Agreed.
However, my only point from the beginning was that Crocodile is physycally stronger than Luffy was on Alabasta.
And maybe now.
So… really... THAT'S MY ONLY POINT FROM THE BEGINNING.Just agree with it like Urouge and move on.
UsoppSpell!
On the eve of spoilerificaiton, you will wait until you remember it's break week.
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And then Luffy goes gear 2nd, pees on Croc and hands Croc's ass back to him in a tray.
Seriously, Jadosra, give it a rest. Crocodile was physically stronger than Luffy? REALLY? I will not answer when you retaliate with your noncessant pedantic repetitions, but I will tell you this:
If Croc was physically stronger than Luffy, then why the hell did Luffy, who's only real asset is his physical strength, speed and agility, beat croc up (badly) in a straight up fight? Are you really going to go with it? When Croc couldn't keep up physically with an Alabasta Luffy are you really going to keep the delusion that MAYBE Croc is stronger than Luffy now?
Croc has a way more powerful DF. It's a Logia. In power, Logias are unmatched. But physically? No. And you sound like an asshole when you preach that you are the almighty god of logic and we are the unwilling ignorants who don't listen. Go away or talk about something else. Please. You have bombarded a section that has nothing to do with this with a topic only you wish to discuss and that people only take up because they are annoyed by you.
Not interested in your reply, but I figure you're going to make one anyway.
Edit: I'm just going to quote your post so you don't bitch-ass edit your way out of this.
Well fucking said. Shichibukai will be fighting next chapter anyway so lets keep the Shichibukai strength thread cancer surpressed as long as possible till then.
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In the 2nd fight Croc got so pissed because he was getting beaten so then he pulled out what was implied to be his best sand attack and dried the entire ground out, this is the only reason he caught Luffy with his right hand because of him using his ultimate attack to set it up. Because Luffy dodged his right hand easily in the third fight and counterattacked, plus Luffy punched right through sables and because Croc had already showed him his best attack, one can say he would've won against Croc anyway.
First of all, it was never implied such a thing.
And Crocodile didn't use his hand except for one moment in the entire match they had.There's no way out of this, HaxeyeMihawk
Actually, the entire war is going to stop and turn to watch Luffy vs Croc round 4 in the main plaza.
And then, after Crocodile defeating him, Moria will come, Luffy will regenerate due to Ivankok abiltiies and another battle will begin.
Whitebeard and Sengoku will discuss why Luffy lost, one giving excuses, other searching weaknesses
And then Luffy goes gear 2nd, pees on Croc and hands Croc's ass back to him in a tray.
Its possible. As said before, I'm not willing to discuss Crocodile VS Luffy at the moment in the storyline.
Seriously, Jadosra, give it a rest. Crocodile was physically stronger than Luffy? REALLY? I will not answer when you retaliate with your noncessant pedantic repetitions, but I will tell you this:
Bahahahahahahahahah
"Let me tell you this, then I will run away and won't hear you, further making me the winner of this discussion"
If Croc was physically stronger than Luffy, then why the hell did Luffy, who's only real asset is his physical strength, speed and agility, beat croc up (badly) in a straight up fight? Are you really going to go with it? When Croc couldn't keep up physically with an Alabasta Luffy are you really going to keep the delusion that MAYBE Croc is stronger than Luffy now?
Sorry about Physycal Strenght, I meant overall.
Physical strenght + Devil Fruit = Strenght I'm talking about.
Crocodile is stronger than Luffy.Croc has a way more powerful DF. It's a Logia. In power, Logias are unmatched. But physically? No.
Sorry bout that
And you sound like an asshole when you preach that you are the almighty god of logic and we are the unwilling ignorants who don't listen. Go away or talk about something else.
You sound like an idiot when taking me seriously, but I ain't complaining.
Please. You have bombarded a section that has nothing to do with this with a topic only you wish to discuss and that people only take up because they are annoyed by you.
I didn't even start the discussion, you twat >:(
Not interested in your reply, but I figure you're going to make one anyway.
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(RUN AWAY, RUN AWAY, RUN AWAY)"Edit: I'm just going to quote your post so you don't bitch-ass edit your way out of this.
What am I, a fagget?_
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Page Down has gotten quite a bit of use in this thread recently.
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Luffy was way weaker than Croc back then, but there's no way he still is. Thinking that is just dumb.
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Luffy was way weaker than Croc back then
THANK YOU
but there's no way he still is. Thinking that is just dumb.
I am torn between agreeing and disagreeing, altough it sounds obvious that Luffy would own Crocodile now, I don't know if Crocodile has even more tricks up his sleeve.
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Remember when Ivankov said she knew some special secret about Crocodile, and that that secret would let him behave - you know, to persuade Luffy to let Croc come along in ID. Well, I think Crocodile used to be a woman. How's that?
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I don't know what to do if that was true, here are the options:
-Fap
-Call Oda a genius
-Hate Crocodile.
-Call Oda a fucking faggotI'm leaning towards the first and the last of the bunch.
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Jadosra Crocodile basically got pissed and said no more games which basically says "I'm going full out" t and if he had anymore attacks back then then Oda would've shown them because I don't them fighting again unless Oda just wants to show Crocodile getting curbstomped, no way Crocodile could've gotten any stronger since he's been under lock and key.
And if you have to make excuses for Crocodile's strength off of what ifs and things not implied in the manga (like him beating Luffy by using the same attacks as before) then you're wasting your time.
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are there any logia left to see if the red dog is one. also i want to see more logia getting their a*$ handed to them. rayleigh vs kizaru anyone
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We're still on this discussion?
Jadosra Crocodile basically got pissed and said no more games which basically says "I'm going full out" t and if he had anymore attacks back then then Oda would've shown them because I don't them fighting again unless Oda just wants to show Crocodile getting curbstomped, no way Crocodile could've gotten any stronger since he's been under lock and key.
Incorrect, he said they would have a fight of pirates and picked a poisoned hook.
No matter how many arguments you pick, he didn't use his Devil Fruit powers except at the end, when he was desesperate.And if you have to make excuses for Crocodile's strength off of what ifs and things not implied in the manga (like him beating Luffy by using the same attacks as before) then you're wasting your time.
My argument was always about one "What If" that you avoid because you don't want to admit its correct.
If Crocodile fought Luffy at Alabasta without any emotional problems, without underestimating him and without having Robin in the way, he would win.
I'm being as specific as possible to not give you any chances to go out of here now.
I'L REPEAT:
If Crocodile fought Luffy at Alabasta without any emotional problems, without underestimating him and without having Robin in the way, he would win.
No, let me underline.
**If Crocodile fought Luffy at Alabasta without any emotional problems, without underestimating him and without having Robin in the way, he would win
FORGET MY WHOLE POST ABOVE, just try to answer to this:
If Crocodile fought Luffy at Alabasta without any emotional problems, without underestimating him and without having Robin in the way, he would win**
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I was talking about the 2nd fight, he used his best attack by sucking the ground dry. Luffy had seen his arsenal save for the hook, he wouldn't a caught Luffy with that crap again.
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We're still on this discussion?
IT'S YOUR FAULT
These Crocodile arguments are really the worst. For years now the same discussion, the same arguments, same people arguing. And it will never end
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I agree with you, baby-boo
If I had to put "rely too much on his logia power" in one stance, it would be without any doubt the one Crocodile did:
Not using his logia attacks and using a Poisoned Hook all the time.
That's exactly what relying on Logia too much is.
Enel is the perfect example of the opposite.
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@RPG:
are there any logia left to see if the red dog is one. also i want to see more logia getting their a*$ handed to them. rayleigh vs kizaru anyone
I don't quite understand what you're saying. You think Akainu is a Paramecia? It's possible, though unlikely. Both Admirals so far have been Logias so Akainu should be one too. And I would also like to see Logias in a fair fight and not just destroying everything.
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I was talking about the 2nd fight, he used his best attack by sucking the ground dry.
So what? Luffy lost that one.
Yet he didn't lose the one in which Crocodile didn't use his powers.:blink: WHAT AN AMAZING COINCIDENCE.
Oh wait… Unless...
THAT'S THE REASON.
TO THE BATMOBILE
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So what? Luffy lost that one.
Yet he didn't lose the one in which Crocodile didn't use his powers.:blink: WHAT AN AMAZING COINCIDENCE.
Oh wait… Unless...
THAT'S THE REASON.
TO THE BATMOBILE
This is why your reading comprehension stinks, I told you before that Luffy is a combat genius, Crocodile tried that dehydration move, it failed, tried sables at the end Luffy punched right through it. We all know how quickly Luffy adapts, Croc won the 2nd fight because he never showed Luffy that ground drying attack but by the 3rd fight Luffy had seen everything but the poison hook so I say he wouldn't of got caught by crap he's seen before, which is supported by Croc's two failed attempts that I mentioned.
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Croc can't beat a wet luffy. If he could beat a wet luffy then he wouldn't have needed to keep getting rid of luffys water. If his powers were that great then he wouldn't have lost to blood luffy. Its not like nico robin tripped him or something. By the end of that fight yeah he was emotional but so was luffy so what does that mean. Emotions can make you stronger or weaker depending on the person. Croc went all out, if he could've gotten close enough to luffy to dehydrate him like last time he would've but luffy wasn't going to give him the chance.
He didn't lose because he was angry and frustrated, thats how luffy wins most of the time. He didn't lose because he underestimated luffy, he used nearly every attack in his arsenal, luffy was the better fighter. I don't even see what Robin has to do with any of this cause she was waiting for death during the fight.
He lost fair and square. Get over it.
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Who cares. .
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This is why your reading comprehension stinks, I told you before that Luffy is a combat genius, Crocodile tried that dehydration move, it failed, tried sables at the end Luffy punched right through it. We all know how quickly Luffy adapts, Croc won the 2nd fight because he never showed Luffy that ground drying attack but by the 3rd fight Luffy had seen everything but the poison hook so I say he wouldn't of got caught by crap he's seen before, which is supported by Croc's two failed attempts that I mentioned.
The argument clincher is it basically being said that Luffy surpassed Croc by fight 3.So, your arguing is:
"Crocodile owned Luffy two times using his sand powers, however, Crocodile would fail again if he tried it for the third time, because at the third time Logia powers stop immediatly"
But, apart from twisting your words, the argument itself doesn't work because Luffy almost died from a Desert Spada that was used before in him and lost beause of a move he knew already by the beginning of the match.
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So, your arguing is:
"Crocodile owned Luffy two times using his sand powers, however, Crocodile would fail again if he tried it for the third time, because at the third time Logia powers stop immediatly"
But, apart from twisting your words, the argument itself doesn't work because Luffy almost died from a Desert Spada that was used before in him and lost beause of a move he knew already by the beginning of the match.
So, your argument is "I will witter on about Luffy and Crocodile, two characters who didn't appear in chapter 554".
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@Lordzeb121:
Croc can't beat a wet luffy. If he could beat a wet luffy then he wouldn't have needed to keep getting rid of luffys water. If his powers were that great then he wouldn't have lost to blood luffy. Its not like nico robin tripped him or something. By the end of that fight yeah he was emotional but so was luffy so what does that mean. Emotions can make you stronger or weaker depending on the person. Croc went all out, if he could've gotten close enough to luffy to dehydrate him like last time he would've but luffy wasn't going to give him the chance.
He didn't lose because he was angry and frustrated, thats how luffy wins most of the time. He didn't lose because he underestimated luffy, he used nearly every attack in his arsenal, luffy was the better fighter. I don't even see what Robin has to do with any of this cause she was waiting for death during the fight.
He lost fair and square. Get over it.
Crocodile didn't use his powers at the third fight except for the end when he took a kick and was about to get stormed.
He lost because he was angry and frustated, he underestimated Luffy, Luffy was indeed the better fighter, but if Crocodile fought seriously without any emotional problems, he would win.
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So, your argument is "I will witter on about Luffy and Crocodile, two characters who didn't appear in chapter 554".
No, my argument is "Feel free to page down me, my friend"
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I don't think Luffy is going to fight any major players in this war because he would get trounced and not only that but there's absolutely no build-up to any enemies in this arc for him except Magallen and Luffy doesn't stand much of a chance considering he can't touch him. Although, I do think Luffy will do something epic to get the attention of the world on him and beat up some fodder marines, but after that I think focus will be gone on Luffy. Afterwards, (in my baseless assumption) due to his idiocy he will get in some-way, shape, or form lost or unable to help.
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People like Jadosra are basically saying if Crocodile had every advantage Luffy had that fight, while still keeping the advantages he had already plus perfect strategy with 4th wall breaking knowledge and Crocodile would have beaten Luffy back then, but not now I don't think Croc could beat Luffy but who knows maybe.
The thing is, I think everyone agrees with this idea, the problem is you've changed the situation to favor Croc so much people are like, "who cares." You can use the same logic to make anyone beat Luffy.
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The thing is, I think everyone agrees with this idea, the problem is you've changed the situation to favor Croc so much people are like, "who cares."
Actually, I don't care because I've heard the same terrible arguments from him in various threads.
There are certainly many merits for a "croc could beat luffy if they fought again" argument. None of them are presented here.
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Lets talk about the actual chapter and wait for teh shichibukai strength arguments to come in the next chapter.
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