Ace is Roger's son and Jimbei beat him half dead. xD
Jimbei = PK
Chapter 550 "Marine Headquarters" Discussion
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@Gol:
Your just mad that i got this epic name before you.
And now that this dubious moment of glory is through you can sink back into complete obscurity as a nobody.
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And now that this dubious moment of glory is through you can sink back into complete obscurity as a nobody.
:blink:
Your a weird dude.
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http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/000112902/02.jpg
Translator shouldve translated this a little better. or was it Oda's fault? seems like Ace is saying that his father is Dragon… o well
You just published an amazing page.
FACTS:
Oda is a genius of speech.
WHY?
Note that Ace says "both Luffy and I… have" which 'englishwise' separates the his references of both of them where it comes to the blood "running" through them. He knows they have different fathers and they are both criminals by WG standards.ANOTHER FACT:
Ace knows his father was dragon. I'll be proved right. Read and reread this page.WHY "gramps":
That same word in Japanese kanji means old man too: jiji. He calls Garp old man (he loves him though and Garp loves him back). Ace isn't Garp's grand pa biologically.THIS IS A CLEVER MATTER OF JAPANESE SPEECH CHARACTERS,
CAREFUL MANGA READING law and Oda! -
Hum, one strange theory that someone pointed out is that Kuma maybe said to Rayleigh that Ace was Roger' son… Well it seems plausible but... why then would he have asked to Nami if Luffy was Ace's brother, back in Thriller Bark ?
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PS: I (almost) don't care about any fight to come in Marine Ford… all I want to see is Ace's face when he'll hear that Luffy came through ID, escaped, and reached MF to save him !
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Even though they aren't blood related they still are brothers.
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True enough, given Luffy's attitude towards his crew, I'm sure he of all people understands the difference between Blood and Family.
also, I feel compelled to ask: Isn't running around with a forum name like Gol D. Ace against spoiler rules?
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True enough, given Luffy's attitude towards his crew, I'm sure he of all people understands the difference between Blood and Family.
also, I feel compelled to ask: Isn't running around with a forum name like Gol D. Ace against spoiler rules?
It is?? awww. :sad:
Please don't ban me, i heavily doubt though if anime people would see my name it would effect them… i mean even for many of us can't believe it right now...
Also i never post in anime section.
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Without starting up the discussion again, I still believe that my theory might be correct. I stopped answering earlier because I went out..
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chapter 560:
sengoku: "but he is not even your brother!"
luffy:"i don't care, i'm still going to kick your ass!!!" -
Without starting up the discussion again, I still believe that my theory might be correct.
Ace and Luffy look nothing alike and Luffy has already gone through puberty. Your theory sucks.
@Gol:
OMG i knew it that Ace was Roger's son all along!
Says the guy who joined the community just today. Good for you.
@Avant'D'garde:
Ace isn't Garp's grand pa
You don't say. I never would have guessed that on my own.
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@Gol:
Your just mad that i got this epic name before you.
I'd believe you more easily if the "JOINED" date wasnt July 2009
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@robbybevard:
Ace and Luffy look nothing alike and Luffy has already gone through puberty. Your theory sucks.
Says the guy who joined the community just today. Good for you.
You don't say. I never would have guessed that on my own.
My bad robby. Was working and typing kinda missed it. "Garp isn't Ace's grand pa". ok? Just work… an oversite.
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@robbybevard:
Ace and Luffy look nothing alike and Luffy has already gone through puberty. Your theory sucks.
Says the guy who joined the community just today. Good for you.
You don't say. I never would have guessed that on my own.
Oh and pls dont be fooled by the fact that some people like me registered in this particular forum this month. Trust me I'm well over a decade in shonen manga and anime. And have reading some of your analogies both good and very bad for months and with some other AP members, years. Don't be mistakened there are a host of other existing ideologically constructive OP forums online. Don't be too presumptuous.
Let's all enjoy OP & these discussions. Cheers:happy:
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@Avant'D'garde:
Oh and pls dont be fooled by the fact that some people like me registered in this particular forum this month. Trust me I'm well over a decade in shonen manga and anime. And have reading some of your analogies both good and very bad for months and with some other AP members, years. Don't be mistakened there are a host of other existing ideologically constructive OP forums online. Don't be too presumptuous.
Let's all enjoy OP & these discussions. Cheers:happy:
I'm perfectly fine with new members joining and being enthused. I was new once too. And I lurked before that, no shame in it. Urouge just joined like 4 months ago, and he's quickly become one of my favorites on the forums (despite his red star, grrr…) Any particular annoyance or sarcasm in my previous post wasn't aimed at you specifically. Taking obvious typos out of context and quoting them, to preserve for posterity, is fun. It happens a lot.
However this particular thread (and the spoiler thread that preceded it) has brought out some real idiots and ad nauseum repetition, and the discussion has rather degraded. When someone, who signs up that day, calls out "I knew it all along!" to something that came in a scanlation 3 days ago, and in spoilers 6 days ago, there's... something to be said.
Also, there is an edit button, as well as multiquote. You don't need to post twice to make multiple points. Everyone gets that friendly note once.
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Man, I read that 7 times on Thursday. Was so good.
What will Whitebeard do? He's gotta' tear down the Gates o' Justice or something.
Garp's role will multiply to soooo much more now. But wtf was Tsuru chatting about?
Moria was looking great this week, he's gonna' put up a great fight this time for sure, to prove his credibility as a Shichibukai, I can almost smell it.
Oda, you've never fail to be so great.
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Okay….. ladies & gentlemen we have flown waaayyy off topic so ill blurt something out to get us back on track
The force that luffy is bringing (counting the obvious strongest ones) consists of himself,jimbei, croc, iva, daz bones (would count inazuma but he KOed right now) mr3 n buggy
This force
he's bringing with him looks MINISCULE compared to the enormous force that WG has waiting at HQ
Though maybe some of the shichi could very well possibly go AWOL against the 3admirals & our very own captain smoker, plus all the other forces assembled, without WB's help they would get elminated quickly
I'm hoping that both WB n luffy converge on central simoulateously (typo?)
Soon as Wb shows up, this thing is sure to hit the fan very hard very fast -
I know ODA is against death and all but i must say i think we got a serious posibility that wb will die in this war
i don't know why but i feel his death would open up this story in ways we couldn't even imagine and i could see Oda giving the first proper real non fodder death to WB
cause to me WB seems to be going suicidal
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I know ODA is against death and all but i must say i think we got a serious posibility that wb will die in this war
i don't know why but i feel his death would open up this story in ways we couldn't even imagine and i could see Oda giving the first proper real non fodder death to WB
cause to me WB seems to be going suicidal
Don't worry neo quite a few of us here are feeling the same way about WBs fate
And to digress, even if dragon now has no connection to ace I don't think he would avoid this incredible oppurtunity to go against or overthrow the WG -
To sum it all up
Sengoku (strength unknown)
3 Admirals (w/ Akainu's strength still unknown)
and 5 of 7 Shichibukai
and ??? (crazy amount) marine soldiers including Garp, Smoker, Tashigi, Hina to name a few.vs
Whitebeard
1600 Crewmembers of Whitebeard including Marco and Jozu
Luffy
Crocodile
Mr. 3
Buggy
Mr. 1 Daz Bonez
Jimbei
??? (not as much) amount of Impel Down EscapeesI want to know if there are going to be any Dr. Vegapunk creations at this war too.
I want to see John Giant in action. -
^ One Hundred Thousand Marines, though 99% are fodder.
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To sum it all up
Sengoku (strength unknown)
3 Admirals (w/ Akainu's strength still unknown)
and 5 of 7 Shichibukai
and (around) 100,000 (crazy amount) marine soldiers including Garp, Smoker, Tashigi, Hina to name a few.vs
Whitebeard
1600 Crewmembers of Whitebeard including Marco and Jozu
Luffy
Crocodile
Mr. 3
Buggy
Mr. 1 Daz Bonez
Jimbei
241 (not as much) amount of Impel Down EscapeesI want to know if there are going to be any Dr. Vegapunk creations at this war too.
I want to see John Giant in action.FIXED . .
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99% of the marines troops are fodder
But most likely so are some of WB crew if they got KO so easyly by Shanks when he merely walked in (even though he's got some monstrous haki) -
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To add more fuel to the drama about ace and luffy not being related, did it occur to anyone that since ace's mother died in childbirth and ace is luffy's OLDER brother, that they have completely different sets of parents altogether? Now we just have to find who Luffy's mother was
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That's basically what the chapter said, but there are still a few people who don't believe it for whatever reason.
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To sum it all up
Sengoku (strength unknown)
3 Admirals (w/ Akainu's strength still unknown)
and 5 of 7 Shichibukai
and ??? (crazy amount) marine soldiers including Garp, Smoker, Tashigi, Hina to name a few.vs
Whitebeard
1600 Crewmembers of Whitebeard including Marco and Jozu
Luffy
Crocodile
Mr. 3
Buggy
Mr. 1 Daz Bonez
Jimbei
??? (not as much) amount of Impel Down EscapeesI want to know if there are going to be any Dr. Vegapunk creations at this war too.
I want to see John Giant in action.Hey, don't forget the possibility of Magellan. The guy is about as strong as two shichibukai so far, at least that's what seems to have been implied.
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He needs to take care of cleanup back in Impel Down, really.
この世に悪があるとすればそれは人の心だ。
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@Kairouseki:
^ One Hundred Thousand Marines, though 99% are fodder.
That would make 1000 non-fodder-Marines, that's pretty scary.
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the thing is we never saw Wb goes all out,all we saw is him and shanks duel for a min and there powers were pretty crazy…
on the other hand,we saw kizaru and aykoji powers,and theres akaino who im sure is pretty strong sence he is a marine admiral...
now theres also 5 shibukai,and from there we know boa hancock probably wont fight againts lufyy or Wb,and who knows what kuma is planinnng,this guy seems to know everyones moves...
dont forget mihawk who is probably the strongest of all the shibukai,i mean if kuma really wants the goverment to win,he can pretty much make sure of that with his teleportation thing,he can just paw paw(telepot) who ever he wants for exmaple,marco and the other guy and Wb will be pretty much againts the 3 admirals and i dont know how powerfull he is,but againts 3 admirals?so its all up to who will betray which side and do what they want,dont forget,this are pirates(the shibuaki).
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He needs to take care of cleanup back in Impel Down, really.
He's not a janitor. People are acting like there's one guy doing everything there. I mean, Magellan wasn't that busy during the time between Luffy was poisoned to when the rebellion started.
Edit: Yep, chapter 537. The rest of the staff handles the prison while Magellan does nothing but sit on the can.
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He's not a janitor. People are acting like there's one guy doing everything there. I mean, Magellan wasn't that busy during the time between Luffy was poisoned to when the rebellion started.
I beg to differ. He was engaged in a fierce battle with the toilet.
UsoppSpell!
On the eve of spoilerificaiton, you will wait until you remember it's break week.
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This Magellan jocking is getting old. Bigger and more important things than him from here on out. He shouldn't be forgotten tho cuz BB will most likely whoop his ass this time around.
Zik Of The 7 Swords: Vision? What do you know about my vision? My vision would turn your world upside down, tear asunder your illusions, and send the sanctuary of your own ignorance crashing down around you. Now ask yourself, Are you ready to see that vision?
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@Zik:
This Magellan jocking is getting old. Bigger and more important things than him from here on out. He shouldn't be forgotten tho cuz BB will most likely whoop his ass this time around.
That's suspiciously similar to what people said about Rob Lucci back at Enies Lobby. Oda isn't the type to leave a character unresolved, nor leave a protagonist who's gotten so much build up to be beaten in two chapters or less.
I mean, Lucci got a what, 6 chapter fight for no reason?
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@Zik:
This Magellan jocking is getting old. Bigger and more important things than him from here on out. He shouldn't be forgotten tho cuz BB will most likely whoop his ass this time around.
I agree with Zik. Magellan will be one of those characters that we shouldn't forget about. He's just one of those characters we'll hear about later on. We got bigger powerhouses to worry about. Also with Zik, I'm predicting we'll hear how BB handed Magellan his ass in the future. That's about it.
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To sum it all up
Sengoku (strength unknown)
3 Admirals (w/ Akainu's strength still unknown)
and 5 of 7 Shichibukai
and ??? (crazy amount) marine soldiers including Garp, Smoker, Tashigi, Hina to name a few.vs
Whitebeard
1600 Crewmembers of Whitebeard including Marco and Jozu
Luffy
Crocodile
Mr. 3
Buggy
Mr. 1 Daz Bonez
Jimbei
??? (not as much) amount of Impel Down EscapeesYou forgot that Crocodile is against WB…. that cancels out Croc and Mr. 1. Not to mention Buggy who commented in the previous chapter that his gonna try to take down WB with the help of the other escapees and Hancock being infatuated by Luffy...... So uhmmm to sum it up
Marines/Shichibukai
vs
WB
vs
Escapees….. Its a free for all skirmish confrontation.... XD
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I still wonder, why does Ace have a narcolepsy problem, like Garp? Maybe Roger was Garp's brother, who changed his name? Maybe a cousin. Or maybe it's Rouge who was closely related, like being Garp's neice.
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I wonder if Dragon has it too… XD that would be awesome... XD
wait....wait... you have a point... Why does Ace share that characteristic...... He must be related to Garp. Roger and Garp relationship... Woop Slap will expose the truth in the following chapters... XD
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Or maybe Roger had it too and Garp is related to Roger.
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Or maybe it isn't genetic
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May be all the D's have narcolepsy.
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@robbybevard:
I'm perfectly fine with new members joining and being enthused. I was new once too. And I lurked before that, no shame in it. Urouge just joined like 4 months ago, and he's quickly become one of my favorites on the forums (despite his red star, grrr…) Any particular annoyance or sarcasm in my previous post wasn't aimed at you specifically. Taking obvious typos out of context and quoting them, to preserve for posterity, is fun. It happens a lot.
Also, there is an edit button, as well as multiquote. You don't need to post twice to make multiple points. Everyone gets that friendly note once.
Heard. Anyways the repetition is just my pc and not an attempt to make multiple point, believe it or not, working on fixing it.
I still think you being defensive & still are pretty presumptuous.
I agree with you mostly on certain stuff though.
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are you guys not bored about this dragged discussion…
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Luffy
Crocodile
Mr. 3
Buggy
Mr. 1 Daz Bonez
Jimbei
??? (not as much) amount of Impel Down EscapeesWhere all of them couldn't together even stand against one single Magellan… (admitted, they were in a rush to escape)
241 escapees that are more dead than alive after days/weeks/months/years of torture
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are you guys not bored about this dragged discussion…
not until they agree with me that the next episode isnt a war :happy:
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Can't we get a spoiler today even if it is just one sentence… I think I never wanted a chapter that badly.
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KiShiDo i pray for the next spoiler forum we get a little more then one sentence. I can't even imagine how much stupid speculation would begin if the first part of the spoiler was limited to that much
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Can't we get a spoiler today even if it is just one sentence… I think I never wanted a chapter that badly.
Last week was because something MASIVE happened, this week probably well have to wait untill wensday.
That's the thing about Oda, outside battle chapters, you almost never can even say an event that will happen the next week, right now, we can go to flashback, whitebeard can arrive, luffy can arrive, go to se known people react about the excecution, some on the marine side can betray them, we go back to impell down to see what happened, or Ace can be executed emoing because he had "regrets".
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Well did you ever think about that Kuma maybe has something to do with Dragon? They know each other.
Kuma knows Dragon WELL.
He knew that Luffy is Dragons son. (check the manga @ TB-arc end)
That was a fact that Iva didn't know, although he worked tightly under Dragon (sounds a lil' bit pervert:"worked tightly under…")
So we can speculate that Kuma knew Dragon before he became a mysterious revolutionary with many secrets.
I don't think Dragon will appear at Marineford. There are other goals in the OP-world, which are not so well-protected.
I like the idea of WBs mother ship "moby dick" being coated and popping out of the ocean in front of Marineford.
Someone mentioned that before in this thread.
GOOD IDEA, DUDE!
