You know guys, if Hannya does worse than Vivi against the same opponent…
Crocodile vs. Hannyabal
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voted for the sexier one
- I CANT BELIEVE LUCCI DIDNT WIN!
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I love how absolutely no campaigning was necissary in this round. I drew that picture for nothing, it seems.
One does not fuck with Crocodile.
The Hannyabal fans have always been lazy.
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all the strawhats also just got one personality trait: good
I know you're trying to point out that "evil" is an oversimplification of Crocodile's personality, but really, is it? Does he have any qualities you wouldn't expect of your average Saturday morning cartoon villain? He's possibly even less colorful than that, just a sneering, badass piece of cardboard. Like I said though, the fact that he can only be described as evil may be a testament to how great a villain he is….? But I personally find him uninteresting.
The Strawhats on the other hand, can be described in a variety of ways besides "good."
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I know you're trying to point out that "evil" is an oversimplification of Crocodile's personality, but really, is it? Does he have any qualities you wouldn't expect of your average Saturday morning cartoon villain? He's possibly even less colorful than that, just a sneering, badass piece of cardboard. Like I said though, the fact that he can only be described as evil may be a testament to how great a villain he is….? But I personally find him uninteresting.
I could give you a response for that but I'll hold that back until Crocodile takes on an opponent where he needs the support. Kuhahahahaha :devil:
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Still can't vote but Croc +1
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Hey people, people. Are none of you realizing that Hannyabal is doing worse than Vivi. THAN VIVI!?! When she was against Crocodile!?!
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@Thousand:
Hey people, people. Are none of you realizing that Hannyabal is doing worse than Vivi. THAN VIVI!?! When she was against Crocodile!?!
Considering that we still have half a day to go I'd say it's safe game to assume that he won't do worse then Vivi.
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@Jim13ei:
Still can't vote but Croc +1
in case you didn't get directed to that by now: http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=22449
maybe you can ask a mod for an exception, because you really seem to be someone new. But i doubt they will unlock you for this tournament. -
@Thousand:
Hey people, people. Are none of you realizing that Hannyabal is doing worse than Vivi. THAN VIVI!?! When she was against Crocodile!?!
That's what happens when you line up one of the better villains in the series with a whiny loser sphinx of questionable comic relief.
Even Vivi has her niche of fans. I don't know what they are thinking, and they suck, but they're there. F-ing Vivi.
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You play Grand Battle too?
@Thousand:
Hey people, people. Are none of you realizing that Hannyabal is doing worse than Vivi. THAN VIVI!?! When she was against Crocodile!?!
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Croc without a doubt.
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Gotta vote vote for Croc this time around
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Man Hannyabal's getting drained! severely! and he should!
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One of these candidates flaunts a pimp coat. The other does not.
No contest.
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Hannyabal.
"How do we even begin to Deal with this situation???….. Shall we return to the monitor room and have some snacks?"
Hannya and Ivankov made Impel Down for me.
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Considering that we still have half a day to go I'd say it's safe game to assume that he won't do worse then Vivi.
That's not enough. He has to destroy her!!! This poll is really Hannyabal vs Vivi.
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If theres a 200 votes dif…......
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@Thousand:
That's not enough. He has to destroy her!!! This poll is really Hannyabal vs Vivi.
I'd vote for Hannyabal over Vivi any day.
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Crocodile is the most voted character in round 2 and his matchup is not over yet, Hell yeah ! Make Crocodile THE KING !
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Hannaybal had the distinction of making every fanboy for Croc, Luffy, Inazuma, Mr.1,2, Jinbei and Iva take a look at the enemy as the hero and their own favorites as the villians. So far in the manga this has only even been hinted at once which was when Aokiji saved those villagers way back on longring isle. I think the ability to understand the motivation of the protagonists enemies is essential to great story so i vote Hannaybal.
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i dare say crocodile is the number one candidate for the final victory! he's the embodiment of epicness and badassness afterall
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holy fck 205 posts dif. :)
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sure think..not even needed to be commented
croc is the boss, hannyabal has to see that surviving the first round was sure epic enough for him -
Seeing how I've considered cosplaying Crocodile, he get my vote.
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Crocodile gets vote record?
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There's a reason Vivi got more votes than Hannya; as much as Vivi haters are so very vocal around here, alot of people are neutral to her (like me) or like her. Put her against Crocodile, and her fans are gonna mobilize. Hannyabal, however, was decided as the loser of this match when this entire round started. Plus, I get the feeling alot of people that liked Hannyabal already liked Crocodile (more) as well.
I know you're trying to point out that "evil" is an oversimplification of Crocodile's personality, but really, is it? Does he have any qualities you wouldn't expect of your average Saturday morning cartoon villain? He's possibly even less colorful than that, just a sneering, badass piece of cardboard. Like I said though, the fact that he can only be described as evil may be a testament to how great a villain he is….? But I personally find him uninteresting.
The Strawhats on the other hand, can be described in a variety of ways besides "good."
Let me ask you this: what about any other villain makes them anything other than evil? You've praised Enel, but what aspects of his personality did not contribute to his evil? What about Arlong? Lucci? Moria?
Crocodile had quite a bit to his personality, but I feel like you're dismissing much of it because of how serious a character he is (meaning he has no crazy or relatable aspects to him), and because all those personality traits double-back to contribute to how evil he is, which I think (and I could be wrong) causes you to just lump them all together as just "he's evil."
He is the purest evil character in One Piece, that much is fact, but he ain't no cardboard.
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There's a reason Vivi got more votes than Hannya; as much as Vivi haters are so very vocal around here, alot of people are neutral to her (like me) or like her. Put her against Crocodile, and her fans are gonna mobilize. Hannyabal, however, was decided as the loser of this match when this entire round started. Plus, I get the feeling alot of people that liked Hannyabal already liked Crocodile (more) as well.
Let me ask you this: what about any other villain makes them anything other than evil? You've praised Enel, but what aspects of his personality did not contribute to his evil? What about Arlong? Lucci? Moria?
Crocodile had quite a bit to his personality, but I feel like you're dismissing much of it because of how serious a character he is (meaning he has no crazy or relatable aspects to him), and because all those personality traits double-back to contribute to how evil he is, which I think (and I could be wrong) causes you to just lump them all together as just "he's evil."
He is the purest evil character in One Piece, that much is fact, but he ain't no cardboard.
I really think Lucci is more evil in the sense of mindless evil. Crocodile always had a goal and he didn't ruin peoples' lives for no reason. Lucci, however, just killed because it was fun.
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…No he didn't! He killed because hew as ordered to. "Dark Justice," remember?
And Crocodile was the one who would torment people for fun. One word: Tutu.
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i dare say crocodile is the number one candidate for the final victory! he's the embodiment of epicness and badassness afterall
Who are you kidding? Bon Chan's got this in the bag.
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…No he didn't! He killed because hew as ordered to. "Dark Justice," remember?
I thought he joined the World Government as an assassin just so he could legally kill people… Mindless evil.
Who are you kidding? Bon Chan's got this in the bag.
He'll hafta fight for it. Like everybody else =P
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I don't remember if that's the case, but since we saw him, he didn't kill people willy-nilly like TLC's saying he did.
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Let me ask you this: what about any other villain makes them anything other than evil? You've praised Enel, but what aspects of his personality did not contribute to his evil? What about Arlong? Lucci? Moria?
Off topic for sure, but…
Arlong could be considered a victim of the old world's views, which in turn ended up turning him into the monster he became.
He also cares a lot about his nakama, yelling over Zoro defeating many of his crewmates.Moria lost his own nakama against Kaidou and became so distraught by the deaths he decided to make a crew that could never die as such. His acts were evil, but I still found it somewhat sad that Moria never quite managed to cope with this, instead stealing shadows to create his super crew. I'm willing to bet the majority of corpses were his own men's bodies.
Crocodile has never shown to care much for anyone else with the possible exception of Daz Bones, and even that is only because Mr. 1 is his personal attack dog.
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Crocodile has never shown to care much for anyone else with the possible exception of Daz Bones, and even that is only because Mr. 1 is his personal attack dog.
Attack dogs need love too :cwy:
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Crocodile shall take vengeance for his fellow predator of the waters. Though he's cooler and more memorable than Hannyabal regardless.
+1 for Mr. Zero
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Crocodile all the way.
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Why do people bother post?
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Arlong could be considered a victim of the old world's views, which in turn ended up turning him into the monster he became.
He also cares a lot about his nakama, yelling over Zoro defeating many of his crewmates.Moria lost his own nakama against Kaidou and became so distraught by the deaths he decided to make a crew that could never die as such. His acts were evil, but I still found it somewhat sad that Moria never quite managed to cope with this, instead stealing shadows to create his super crew. I'm willing to bet the majority of corpses were his own men's bodies.
Crocodile has never shown to care much for anyone else with the possible exception of Daz Bones, and even that is only because Mr. 1 is his personal attack dog.
Arlong's is one thing, though I dunno if I'd count that as much (as it was a minor factor up against much of his other qualities), but Moria's is a bad example. All it does is gvie a motivation for his evil, while I asked for examples of how said characters had traits that did not add to their evil.
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Let me ask you this: what about any other villain makes them anything other than evil? You've praised Enel, but what aspects of his personality did not contribute to his evil? What about Arlong? Lucci? Moria?
Crocodile had quite a bit to his personality, but I feel like you're dismissing much of it because of how serious a character he is (meaning he has no crazy or relatable aspects to him), and because all those personality traits double-back to contribute to how evil he is, which I think (and I could be wrong) causes you to just lump them all together as just "he's evil."
He is the purest evil character in One Piece, that much is fact, but he ain't no cardboard.
I mentioned this the last time, but most of the villains in One Piece have something more to them than just plain ill-will. Enel was actually kind of insane and had one of the most unusual motives, Arlong cared about his comrades and as we found out later his hatred was fueled by a history of discrimination, Lucci was another piece of cardboard who was only slightly interesting because of how he used "justice" to satisfy his thrist for blood, and Moria is definitely one of the most fleshy villains we've gotten with his lazy attitude, competitiveness, and trauma from losing his original crew in the new world showing some actual fragility.
I don't dismiss Crocodile's character because of his seriousness (though it would help if he changed facial expressions once in a while) but he simply didn't do anything the slightest bit unexpected and just seemed to be there as a plot device to thwart the heroes at every turn and goad them into fighting harder with his insults. In other words, he just didn't feel like a character existing for his own sake.
I'm not saying One Piece is a series where everyone has huge depth of character, but if they don't they're usually at least amusing, which Crocodile was not. I don't dislike him though, I'm just not very interested in him.
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It's for the best that Croc hasn't got a fleshed out backstory, because if he does he won't seem as evil anymore, and Shmeckie's favourite villain just has to be hellspawn.
That said, I think Croc seems like a guy bitter about his own failed dreams and so takes it out on other pirates trying to make a name for themselves…
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I just don't see how Enel's god complex and Moria's fear of losing others is any different than Crocodile's professionalist attitude, and sole belief in personal strength. Plus he was damn refreshing as a villain, to me, because he was the first to toss aside the aspects of piracy and pursue grander, more visceral goals of military power and conquest. To this day his evil scheme was one of the greatest threats to the One Piece world. Enel wanted to go to the moon, the gov't wanted to mainted their order, but Crocodile wanted to obtain a WMD and take over the world by force.
And now, I will use this opportunity to explain why the man is so popular, because when Crocodile has a real challenge in this tourney, I can CnP it as a campaign!
The man was obviously built, from the ground up, to be an epic, Freeza-level antagonist for the Straw Hats, and as you can see by the votes here, it worked big time. It wasn't that he was just evil, it was how evil he was that made an impact. Arlong was cruel, but Crocodile caused an entire country to brutally destroy itself, while simultaneously personally tormenting several people simply for either getting in his way, or going against his own personal ideals. And it wasn't just "for the sake of ill will," it was part of his personality. Personal strength was everything, and he had plenty of that. Anyone who holds on to ideals they're too weak to obtain is a waste of space. Same goes for his expressionless nature. He's heartless. Not the normal kind of heartless, either. This is shit that put Arlong to shame. When the Alabasta people were massacring each other, and when we saw that rebel soldier with his entire shoulder torn off, one thing hung over all of it; this was all Crocodile's doing. Making it worse? He wasn't cackling madly at it all like the typical villain. His apathy was unique, and just made him even more friggin' evil. His plan working like it did didn't bring him to maniacal laughter, but he couldn't help but chuckle at those who thought they could do something about it.
Evil aside, as aside from the aforementioned badass factor (which he has in spades), he also fascinates people. Why? First, the mystery behind him. He believes in individual strength over relying on relationships, he mocks romantic ideals, and he gave up trying to be the Pirate King. There have been tiny little hints as to what made this man the way he is, but nothing's ever been concrete, and that's kept him interesting. Second, and the biggest thing that holds people, is that he is, without a doubt, the most epic villain the Straw Hats have ever faced. Folks here may personally enjoy an arc more than Alabasta, but look at the facts: He was hyped for several arcs before being confronted in a long arc revolving around a huge war that he was responsible for. I'm sure many here were like I was when they first watched that arc; "how in the hell can Luffy beat this guy?!" It wasn't just about him being strong, or having a reputation; you couldn't even hurt the guy, and he could destroy entire towns by just poking his hand out from under his coat. The struggle against him, and his eventual (and epic, I might add) defeat was on a grand scale the series hasn't seen since.
And I dare say he remains the most dangerous full-on arc villain we've seen since. How, you ask? Simple. Enel destroyed an island, but he needed the aid of a machine to amplify his power, and since anyone could guess Luffy's rubber would neutralize Enel's electricity, he didn't have nearly the "holy shit he's impossible" factor Crocodile gave us. The World Gov't may have destroyed an entire town like Croc did (albiet much quicker), but they did it to protect what they deemed to be vital secrets. Crocodile did it just to get some people to move to where he wanted them to be, and unaided by anything other than a flick of his own wrists.
The biggest reason for his popularity is his impact. No single villain in One Piece has come close to the sheer scale and scope that Crocodile has. Enel was dubbed as God, and destroyed an island, and he still hasn't had the impact on the general fanbase that Crocodile has. He's an icon, he's a classic, and for that very reason he needs to make it to the finals, or at the very least in one of the top spots.
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Let's see. 325 vs 87 Vivi vs croc was 332 vs 95 so it's really vivi was C vs V while Hannibal is C-7 vs vs V-8. Or not. It's been way to long since high school algebra. Anyway according to my calculations given the smaller voter results Hannibal got one more vote then Vivi's Pity votes.
And people say one vote doesn't matter.