Let's just agree they're all pretty awesome and leave it at that.
Chapter 542: "Another Event To Soon Be Told" Discussion
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To be honest Ivotas, the marines seem pretty sure of themselves besides Sengoku. And he is just nervous because things are not going like he planned it to. I dont think he is worried as much as u think he is. He wants things to go as planned and to limit casualties on his side.
When you are playing chess, you want to use all your pieces ideally. The WG is a FORCE. Their main threat is ANOTHER force called the revolutionaries. Whitebeard or the other yonkous are no threat to destroy the goverment. The wg is battling things on multiple fronts and they still seem pretty comfortable. They are already in a long war with the "dragons". They captured ace and they were like might as well end whitebeard while we can make him come to us.
They have to be overstacked because liked they said. The other yonkou are moving as well and they dont know who else is going to attack. They are being cautious, as they should. Whitebeard doesnt have much of a chance.
Ace doesnt think so. Jimbei doesnt think so. They both know his power more than most people, so that means something. The wg will be fine.… sorry but i disagree, the "emperors" are called that for a reason. they are just force, no rule, and they clash with each other all the time.
sengoku is probably the strongest marine and he is freaking out. he was mentioned with garp and roger as "one of those".
i agree with the sentiment in rehards to the fact that the new px series will be unleashed like the clones in the clone wars.
i agree that what they started was a trap. but, and i repeat, but.
the revolutionaries are on their way.
shanks is on his way.
luffy (revolutionary jr. and WG compound demolisher. lol) is on his way (and he's bringing hell with him)
and you better believe the Mugiwara clique (newly powered-up) will be there.
and lets not forget, edward newgate is the man feared by all because he is the strongest man in the world (as stated by Oda). and his divisions of leaders on par with ace (who is admiral level ... (lol at croc trying to take ace /facepalm)
then there are the people that come out of the woodworx just to put the nail in the coffin of the WG.
i know i would.
Is luffy really shichibukai level?
well lets put it this way, shichibukai get their level by taking out pirates.
luffy takes out shichibukai, … and WG compounds.
i would say he is distinctly something else.
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Now, isn't Shanks busy fighitng Kaidou?
Good post otherwise, that sentence is my only problem with it. It's true, this war could go any way.
Nuts to those who think the shichibukai side has this undeniable advantage.
i though about that also but decided to ga ahead and state that, .. i don't think shanks would miss it .. he looks too much like ace .. don't know why i stated that ..
especially if he learns luffy is caught up in it.
i mean he did give up an arm for the guy.
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Yea, Luffy's CREW is Shichibukai level as a unit IMO, just as Moria's island, Crocodile's corps plus the desert setting, the only real Shichibukai that have proven they are a terror on their own are Mihawk and Kuma, none of the others have their self-sufficience.
Besides there is a difference between the level of one shichi and the next. If Blackbeard is as powerful as it is hinted (possible final villain) he's probabl stronger than Admirals and hence the rest of the schichi (yes, sorry even Mihawk).
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I think Magellan is seriously underestimating Blackbeard. And even if Shiryuu is that powerful, 5 vs 1 although is a mismatch, Shiryuu might be able to hold the Blackbeard crew or not depending on how powerful Shiryuu is.
However, lets assume Blackbeard's power is really that powerful (lets also assume there are still people unconvinced that Ace losing is a fluk), Shiryuu is no match for Blackbeard.
You actually think Ace's loss was a fluke?!
I knew you were a nutjob but, damn! That's CRAZY!
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Mihawk would slice up Blackbeard like a stuffed pig.
… sorry but i disagree, the "emperors" are called that for a reason. they are just force, no rule, and they clash with each other all the time.
sengoku is probably the strongest marine and he is freaking out. he was mentioned with garp and roger as "one of those".
i agree with the sentiment in rehards to the fact that the new px series will be unleashed like the clones in the clone wars.
i agree that what they started was a trap. but, and i repeat, but.
the revolutionaries are on their way.
shanks is on his way.
luffy (revolutionary jr. and WG compound demolisher. lol) is on his way (and he's bringing hell with him)
and you better believe the Mugiwara clique (newly powered-up) will be there.
and lets not forget, edward newgate is the man feared by all because he is the strongest man in the world (as stated by Oda). and his divisions of leaders on par with ace (who is admiral level ... (lol at croc trying to take ace /facepalm)
then there are the people that come out of the woodworx just to put the nail in the coffin of the WG.
i know i would.
well lets put it this way, shichibukai get their level by taking out pirates.
luffy takes out shichibukai, ... and WG compounds.
i would say he is distinctly something else.
Oda put the gears in motion, One Piece World is going from Modernity (except for the New World part) back to a feudal era
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Mihawk would slice up Blackbeard like a stuffed pig.
What does that have to do with Ace being a bitch?
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Yea, Luffy's CREW is Shichibukai level as a unit IMO, just as Moria's island, Crocodile's corps plus the desert setting, the only real Shichibukai that have proven they are a terror on their own are Mihawk and Kuma, none of the others have their self-sufficience.
Besides there is a difference between the level of one shichi and the next. If Blackbeard is as powerful as it is hinted (possible final villain) he's probabl stronger than Admirals and hence the rest of the schichi (yes, sorry even Mihawk).
Hmm as a whole unit yes but if not including luffy i belive its mainly franky robin sanji and Zoro the main unit in fighting shichibukai for luffy
With Zoro probably the only decent chance of handingling one alone if fully healed Supernova title for a reason in my eyes
Nami Chopper and Usssop stil lack the power to really contribute to the defeat of a shichibukai in the strawhat crew in my opinion
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We really won't know who's on top of who until we have match ups… just a lot of speculation at this point from everyone. What we know is that BB beat Ace and Luffy had beaten Croc and Megellan has beaten Luffy... that's all we know at this point. You can think any one of these fights are flukes or you might think they're not whatever your opinion is, these are the facts as they stand so anything beyond this is just pure bull shit speculation at this point.
Really intereted to see What BB is upto... I think everyone is gussing he will free someone... I wonder who?
I'm going to laugh if Ivankov knows BB as well.. haha.. he knows everyone and knows everything!
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You also gotta realize the conditions. … we don't know how Shanks got his scar. We know that Luffy lost against Magellan after going down 4 levels and was very hungry and tired. Luffy beat Croc after losing several times.
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Shanks got his scar at least 10 years ago… Long before BB had his fruit. BB is a bit strong even without a DF, I think Shanks is the only one who truly knows how powerful this guy is. >_<
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I never heard of that before about how Oda wanted to make color spread after color spread.
Not 'color' spreads. Regular two-page spreads.
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Not 'color' spreads. Regular two-page spreads.
Aye, I see. Oda has been putting out more of those far often. It's now becoming frequent since you mentioned it.
Would still be cool if released another color walk book though.
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You also gotta realize the conditions. … we don't know how Shanks got his scar. We know that Luffy lost against Magellan after going down 4 levels and was very hungry and tired. Luffy beat Croc after losing several times.
We know "it was not a cheap blow taken by surprise."
Shanks' scar was an extremely straightforward way of hyping up Blackbeard's strength. Don't pretend Shanks might have some excuse when he admitted he didn't.
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Look, there's no real reason to turn this into a vs battle.
My point was that the SH are equal to a Shichibukai in status/level. This is true because Shichibukai are either: Strong individual that became legendary due to other conditions (crew/slave company/cash/rain etc) or A seemingly God-like endgame character.BB, Mihawk and Kuma share the latter, REGARDLESS of who is stronger. It could turn out I'm wrong and Donflamingo is the strongest of all and he is the final villain that tries to end the age of pirates.
Until we see matchups all of this is pointless.Overall though, I have to agree that Emperors = Marines + Schichi, which means BB is going to have to finish up quickly if he wants to take down WB, who I am assuming will be winning at some point of the fight.. otherwise Ace dies right? I can't really see Luffy stopping 3 admirals at the moment.
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Was the guy on the floor on page 15 lower left Wane from Waterseven/Enies Lobby?
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I really think people are trying way too hard to be power level-y with this whole "3 powers math" thing. This ain't run-of-the-mill shonen; there's a political element here, and that's where the 3 powers are involved. It's not just meat-and-potatoes strength. If it were, the Shichibukai would be ruling the world with 6 godlike motherfuckers as opposed to the Marine's 3 Admirals and the 4 Kings.
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What does that have to do with Ace being a bitch?
He's on par with Smoker. Does that add to his manliness?
Besides there is a difference between the level of one shichi and the next. If Blackbeard is as powerful as it is hinted (possible final villain) he's probabl stronger than Admirals and hence the rest of the schichi (yes, sorry even Mihawk).
Keep on dreaming :happy:
Blackbeard's fruit is especially devastating towards fruit users. Doesn't block swords. Mihawk would hack him to pieces.
Besides, look at how Rayleigh stopped Kizaru's light with his sword. Imo a strong swordsman is Blackbeard's worst enemy. -
No, not really. Blackbeard doesn't has a special weakness to swords, It's just that they can hurt him, like punches and kicks. But that doesn't matter, because that guy is a fucking beast. Seriously, the yami yami no mi is my favorite fruit, because It takes the biggest advantages of this snotty logia users away. In a fight against Blackbeard, the only thing that matters is who's the stronger one, nothing else. And that's how It should be.
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In a fight against Blackbeard, the only thing that matters is who's the stronger one, nothing else. And that's how It should be.
^^ actually you can still use some techniques of your DF..you just have to stay away from his hands(but with BB gravity thats near to be impossible)
also BB can use his black hole for example, and a whole city flying at you, isnt rly fair when YOU have no DF…or when you have a DF but cant use it in his full extent it`s still the fact that BB could use his DF... -
I don't think any skilled fighter would have a big problem with this, or could you see Luffy or Zoro being defeated by something like this. I don't really have a argument to clarify my statement. Just imagine what would happen If Blackbeard uses this move against someone really strong. I just can't see any powerhouse taking serious damage from such a thing.
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He's on par with Smoker. Does that add to his manliness?
I wouldn't say they're on par, their DFs just had no effect on each other. In any other match up, Ace's attack power should be far greater than Smoker's.
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@iSheep:
I don't think any skilled fighter would have a big problem with this, or could you see Luffy or Zoro being defeated by something like this. I don't really have a argument to clarify my statement. Just imagine what would happen If Blackbeard uses this move against someone really strong. I just can't see any powerhouse taking serious damage from such a thing.
yeah i understand your point, but still it
s unfair when BB can use some DF-based attacks and you cant(just from a distance)
but sure throwing shit on strong charas doesnt make the difference…but i think we havent seen all, what BB is able to do with his DF
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If Blackbeard is as powerful as it is hinted (possible final villain) he's probabl stronger than Admirals and hence the rest of the schichi (yes, sorry even Mihawk).
Mihawk would slice up Blackbeard like a stuffed pig.
Keep on dreaming :happy:
Bullshit, they are even if Blackbeard will be the last villain. If he isn’t the last villain I see a high possible that Ninjabrownie is right.
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I really think people are trying way too hard to be power level-y with this whole "3 powers math" thing. This ain't run-of-the-mill shonen; there's a political element here, and that's where the 3 powers are involved. It's not just meat-and-potatoes strength. If it were, the Shichibukai would be ruling the world with 6 godlike motherfuckers as opposed to the Marine's 3 Admirals and the 4 Kings.
You mean 7:P And I know exactly why you said 6.
Also don't you think you're over estimating them a bit? Luffy is at least on the same level as a mid-level tier Shickibukai and he'd be crushed by an admiral.
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@Thousand:
You mean 7:P And I know exactly why you said 6.
Also don't you think you're over estimating them a bit? Luffy is at least on the same level as a mid-level tier Shickibukai and he'd be crushed by an admiral.
Not that i want to support his speculation that the shichibukais rule the world but what does luffys level has to do with this? He is a rookie yeah but he is pretty strong and a promising pirate.
Anyway i also don't like to put the shichibukais in strength categories…. They're all dangerous. Even with his actual strength luffy can still loose to crocodile or moria. Hell even if there is a rematch between moria and luffy i guess it will be tough. Which means te outcome of the battle will still be unknown. I agree that with knowing crocs weakness luffy can easily gear second him to the moon but if he makes one error he is dead! -
Not that i want to support his speculation that the shichibukais rule the world but what does luffys level has to do with this? He is a rookie yeah but he is pretty strong and a promising pirate.
Anyway i also don't like to put the shichibukais in strength categories…. They're all dangerous. Even with his actual strength luffy can still loose to crocodile or moria. Hell even if there is a rematch between moria and luffy i guess it will be tough. Which means te outcome of the battle will still be unknown. I agree that with knowing crocs weakness luffy can easily gear second him to the moon but if he makes one error he is dead!It's a comparison. Luffy beat two of them, no matter how lucky and how underestimated he was, he was at least on the same level if not one or two below. However Kizaru is at least 10 levels above Luffy. He crushed 4 people who were about the same level as Luffy in seconds. That's the kind of comparison I wanted to point out.
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I got it. Solid argumentation :)
Well i guess that croc was beaten because his logia ability had a flaw. Now we can assume the logia abilities of Aokiji and KIzaru may also have flaws but they are really so strong that luffy will loose in seconds :) -
thing about admirals is, that you can't even tell how phisicly strong they are, they might even be the biggest whimps but their abilities are so strong without even having any flaws that you simply can't match them, unless you are uber rayleigh, have knowlege of the unknown and rule the underworld(formerly). or blackbeard the uber canceller…
hope we get some spoilers today.
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^^ But don't you think that someone whose feet are so hard that he can kick with speed light is actually a pretty good fighter without his abilities? I mean he change into light speed up then go back to normal and use the speed to kick. Normally his leg will explode…
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^^ But don't you think that someone whose feet are so hard that he can kick with speed light is actually a pretty good fighter without his abilities? I mean he change into light speed up then go back to normal and use the speed to kick. Normally his leg will explode…
this might surprise you, but i have never traveled at lightspeed so i don't know what happens when a solid object which moves with lightspeed hits another object that doesn't. the LS object might actually pass right through the non LS object without ever knowing there was something blocking the way…
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@iSheep:
No, not really. Blackbeard doesn't has a special weakness to swords, It's just that they can hurt him, like punches and kicks. But that doesn't matter, because that guy is a fucking beast. Seriously, the yami yami no mi is my favorite fruit, because It takes the biggest advantages of this snotty logia users away. In a fight against Blackbeard, the only thing that matters is who's the stronger one, nothing else. And that's how It should be.
That's why I said 'strong swordsman'. BB's got his dagger to defend his plumb body. Mihawk would fillet him. And yes we know he's strong without the fruit, but Mihawk is still the World's Strongest Swordsman. Fight will never happen though…
As for Magellan vs BB, I believe Magellan is one of the worst enemies for BB. Although no amount of poison would kill him, since its DF-poison, he would go through the pain. BB would go through hell, 10x worse than Luffy did, if Magellan fought him and desperately continued 'dumping' on him.:ninja: I think he might actually be paralysed for some time, from the pain. And he'd deserve it, lol.
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@Thousand:
However Kizaru is at least 10 levels above Luffy. He crushed 4 people who were about the same level as Luffy in seconds. That's the kind of comparison I wanted to point out.
Do we really know that those Supernova were on the same level as Luffy? I haven't read those chapters in awhile, but wasn't Kidd the only one with a bounty near Luffy's? And Kidd never fought Kizaru. Not to say that Kizaru wasn't far stronger than Luffy, of course.
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Bounties have nothing to do with strength.
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Do we really know that those Supernova were on the same level as Luffy? I haven't read those chapters in awhile, but wasn't Kidd the only one with a bounty near Luffy's? And Kidd never fought Kizaru. Not to say that Kizaru wasn't far stronger than Luffy, of course.
Bounties have nothing to do with strength.
Luffy attacked Enies Lobby -> bounty.
From the looks of it, comparing how they stack up against the Pacifista, Drake is stronger than Luffy. -
Indeed. I'm quite happy that the guy with the name of the most famous english privateer is so strong.
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I got it. Solid argumentation :)
Well i guess that croc was beaten because his logia ability had a flaw. Now we can assume the logia abilities of Aokiji and KIzaru may also have flaws but they are really so strong that luffy will loose in seconds :)Well, with Croc that was a popular idea, but I'm starting to think that the era of logias with weaknesses will end. That's what haki is for. Cause if you think about it, there's no real way to turn smoke into a solid that is realistic in a battle.
And it's great this way. In the past people suggested each logia get a weakness, or each shichibukai get their own arc, but that would require the storylines to repeat the same element like 6 or 7 times–which would get boring.
As for Luffy losing, well yeah, for now. It really doesn't even need to be said.
That's why I said 'strong swordsman'. BB's got his dagger to defend his plumb body. Mihawk would fillet him. And yes we know he's strong without the fruit, but Mihawk is still the World's Strongest Swordsman. Fight will never happen though…
In all this I think you're forgetting Blackbeard also fought Shanks, who was also a sword user. You seem to believe that cutting attacks will tear apart a guy who got hit with nearly every attack Ace through at him, but if he could take Shanks attacks (and it's very likely he got hit) then he could take Mihawks. Plus, remember that Ace stabbed Blackbeard with "fire lances." There's more to Blackbeard's stamina then you give him credit for.
Not that I want to compare Mihawk vs. Blackbeard. My point is that, BB can probably take a nasty sword beating better then you think.
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We have no idea who would win out of Mihawk and Blackbeard, it would be damn close though.
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…or Blackbeard could've been losing horribly, started flailing around in a panic, and managed to nick Shanks while he was defending himself from thiscrazed, panic-induced attack.
Hey, you never know!
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thing about admirals is, that you can't even tell how phisicly strong they are, they might even be the biggest whimps but their abilities are so strong without even having any flaws that you simply can't match them, unless you are uber rayleigh, have knowlege of the unknown and rule the underworld(formerly). or blackbeard the uber canceller…
hope we get some spoilers today.
Hey now, Kizaru was pretty pimp riding the cannon ball.
@Monkey, even without knowing his weakness (in the first fight), Luffy did NOT lose to Crocodile in seconds.
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In all this I think you're forgetting Blackbeard also fought Shanks, who was also a sword user. You seem to believe that cutting attacks will tear apart a guy who got hit with nearly every attack Ace through at him, but if he could take Shanks attacks (and it's very likely he got hit) then he could take Mihawks. Plus, remember that Ace stabbed Blackbeard with "fire lances." There's more to Blackbeard's stamina then you give him credit for.
Not that I want to compare Mihawk vs. Blackbeard. My point is that, BB can probably take a nasty sword beating better then you think.
Didn't forget, I reasoned that Mihawk > Shanks. Yes they had legendary battles/training sessions in the past, but now Mihawk is #1. Either that or Zoro's ambition is for naught.
The reason for my post is since power is not absolute in One Piece and imo, as said, a strong swordsman is BB's most dangerous enemy. Ace's fire lances for instance do cause the pain but not physical damage, because they are a DF-weapon. Mihawk's awesome sword on the other hand would slash into the fat bastard. I wonder if blood or darkness would gush out…
I don't really want to compare them either, I just like the thought that Blackbeard will be slaughtered like a stuffed pig.
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Ace's fire lances for instance do cause the pain but not physical damage, because they are a DF-weapon.
Teach had to grab him before Ace's powers went away. He has to stop it at the source. It's not an end-all defense against Devil Fruit powers - he has to have a hold of them for it to have effect.
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hey do you think lola's mom used to be in catarina's pirate crew? maybe she took over after catarina went to prison?
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That's why I said 'strong swordsman'. BB's got his dagger to defend his plumb body. Mihawk would fillet him. And yes we know he's strong without the fruit, but Mihawk is still the World's Strongest Swordsman. Fight will never happen though…
As for Magellan vs BB, I believe Magellan is one of the worst enemies for BB. Although no amount of poison would kill him, since its DF-poison, he would go through the pain. BB would go through hell, 10x worse than Luffy did, if Magellan fought him and desperately continued 'dumping' on him.:ninja: I think he might actually be paralysed for some time, from the pain. And he'd deserve it, lol.
nah he'd just suck the poison off with his darkness, the way he did for ace's flames when they were burning him.
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this might surprise you, but i have never traveled at lightspeed so i don't know what happens when a solid object which moves with lightspeed hits another object that doesn't. the LS object might actually pass right through the non LS object without ever knowing there was something blocking the way…
So my your logic i'll get hit harder if I hit the wall in a car driving 10 km/h instead of in a car drving 100 km/H?
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Didn't forget, I reasoned that Mihawk > Shanks. Yes they had legendary battles/training sessions in the past, but now Mihawk is #1. Either that or Zoro's ambition is for naught.
The reason for my post is since power is not absolute in One Piece and imo, as said, a strong swordsman is BB's most dangerous enemy. Ace's fire lances for instance do cause the pain but not physical damage, because they are a DF-weapon. Mihawk's awesome sword on the other hand would slash into the fat bastard. I wonder if blood or darkness would gush out…
I don't really want to compare them either, I just like the thought that Blackbeard will be slaughtered like a stuffed pig.
Well…it sounds like you're missing my point here. That being, if Blackbeard fought Shanks, regardless if he's weaker or stronger then Mihawk, that he's bound to get cut up during the fight.
So, to spell it out, it's very likely that Blackbeard can take getting cut with swords as well as he took getting burned. After all, burns don't just hurt, they eat away at the skin and muscle. In all likeliness, BB would take a blade about as well as Zoro if not better (especially at this point of the series).
Especially when, throughout One Piece fighters tend to just get cut across the chest and pass out. None of them really ever get cut through or (most of the time) amputated.
