Mines is best.
Since recently we've got all this about Dragon and Iva-san and that other dude/lady being a revolutionary. Here discuss everything about them, their plans, and really whatever else.
Mines is best.
Since recently we've got all this about Dragon and Iva-san and that other dude/lady being a revolutionary. Here discuss everything about them, their plans, and really whatever else.
I've been waiting for this thread.
Plot Twist: Dragon is just the frontman, the real masterminds are kuma and garp.
Plot Twist: Dragon is just the frontman, the real masterminds are kuma and garp.
How to ruin a manga 101: Imitate Naruto.
hehehe ^^
Seriously though I think its too early for this thread, we know nothing about them.
I believe Kuma is one of Dragon's revolutionary leaders. That seems kinda obvious at this point.
Sanji is in a kingdom that used to be run by a revolutionary. Who knows if the kingdom is still seperate from the world government. If it is, Sanji will surely get involved somehow when he finds out his captain has partnered with Iva.
Actually I'm more curious towards Iva-san and exactly how powerful he really is. I'm still not sure what's up with that "Death wink" crap. If it a valid attack or is it just a comical way of showing how powerful he really is, but i'd expect him to be really strong, being a leader in the revolutionary army. Also I guess we know that he was planning to break out when Dragon starts to move, but will do it now because he believed that Dragon won't allow Ace to be executed. I'm actually warming up to these Trannies, they seem to get cooler by the minute.
I believe Kuma is one of Dragon's revolutionary leaders. That seems kinda obvious at this point.
I'm with Supernova, I thik Kuma is a spy for the revolutionaries or a revolutionary that wants to destroy WG from inside.
I think Vegapunk may be secretly working with the revolutionaries somehow.
I think Vegapunk may be secretly working with the revolutionaries somehow.
Actually I don't think so. I eprsonally think he might be one of those "I do it for science" kind of guys who really don't have much of an interest in politics and simply wants to make better technology, the WG just happened to be the first group to find him.
Kuma is definately getting interesting, his comments @ TB are most interesting. He definately knows Dragon … somehow.
@Fiasco.:
Actually I don't think so. I eprsonally think he might be one of those "I do it for science" kind of guys who really don't have much of an interest in politics and simply wants to make better technology, the WG just happened to be the first group to find him.
Or they have the cash to keep his research well-funded.
@dirt:
Or they have the cash to keep his research well-funded.
Word.
16 characters of agreement.
wow…that kuma theory is really interesting!!! There's definitly a link.
Does somebody know where this first appeared?
PS: what about an official WG/marine thread? why don't we have something like that?
wow…that kuma theory is really interesting!!! There's definitly a link.
Does somebody know where this first appeared?PS: what about an official WG/marine thread? why don't we have something like that?
When he appears at TB, I guess would be the first hint that might be connected in some way.
Kuma does not work for Dragon.
He was going to take Luffy to marines at Thriller Bark, he badly injured the crew and almost killed Zoro.
He may have connection to Dragon like Mihawk and Shanks have.
Ps. Dragon likes to stand outside in the wind.
so far we know three people involved in the revolution, and one other possible candidate
inazuma
iwa-san
dragon
and maybe kuma
although kuma may not physically take part in the rebellion and its progress, i would think he may help them benefit in small ways unknown to us, one of them being his actions taken on thriller bark and on Shabondy..
so judging from iwa's reaction to the government taking action against dragon and wb, it could be assumed they are both forces of huge power….......
and if we make the assumption dragon and the rebels are powerful then it speaks volumes about iwa's strength for him to be an officer/leader.....
he may be considered to be something close to Marco, ace or someone else of high importance, of course this is all assumption, and iwa could just be their for his kingdom support, df abilities or tactical skills....but i would like to believe his authority is based from strength mainly, with the bonus of the other uses listed......
Either way i should expect iwa to clarify his position and more of the worlds current events on his way to level 6, especially when he meets ace as he should be informed of the current situation.
Kuma does not work for Dragon.
He was going to take Luffy to marines at Thriller Bark, he badly injured the crew and almost killed Zoro.
He may have connection to Dragon like Mihawk and Shanks have.Ps. Dragon likes to stand outside in the wind.
but that has nothing to do with him being a revolutioneer…i mean just because he was gonna take luffy to the marines doesn't mean he can't be a revolutioneer. Besides playing the government's dog and being loyal is necessary to get information from the inside...
nevermind, i'm going into my vacation now...
Kuma does not work for Dragon.
He was going to take Luffy to marines at Thriller Bark, he badly injured the crew and almost killed Zoro.
He may have connection to Dragon like Mihawk and Shanks have.Ps. Dragon likes to stand outside in the wind.
Well, I better get this out before the thread gets too big. While I wouldn't use some definite terms as "does not" you have a point.
Iva clearly knows the consequences of attacking a son of dragon, so Kuma should do. He wanted the crew to give him Luffy's head at Thriller Barque, and at the time there was no way he could have know the crew was so loyal. It really doesn't make complete sense for him to have tried to kill Luffy if he worked or was an ally of Dragon.
Of course, there are a few ways to explain these plot holes, so it's still possible.
But I want to bring this possibility out there. Kuma doesn't work for Dragon, but knows him. This is just as interesting, and makes sense. Hell, all the world power members seem to brush elbows with the greatest in the world.
I've been waiting for this thread.
About time you fixed that sentence. You don't know how many times I contemplated exploiting that.
~~ On Topic ~~
Either Garp doesn't really care about what happens to the Marines/WG, or he is in cahoots with Dragon. Why else would he keep his connection to Dragon a secret with the World Government? Unless of course they know and are intentionally baiting Dragon as well. Which, by the way, I highly doubt because of what Iva-san said this chapter.
Another type of hint towards Kuma as a revolutionary is when he asks Nami if Ace is Luffy's brother. Now looking at it, it seems a little fishy.
Another type of hint towards Kuma as a revolutionary is when he asks Nami if Ace is Luffy's brother. Now looking at it, it seems a little fishy.
How about Kuma saving them twice?!
kuma being a revolutionary, to me, is pure speculation. there is little evidence both ways. though kuma saved the strawhats in sabaody, he did try to kill luffy in TB
@supertramp:
kuma being a revolutionary, to me, is pure speculation. there is little evidence both ways. though kuma saved the strawhats in sabaody, he did try to kill luffy in TB
Kuma never tried to kill Luffy. He was simply going to take him to WG. Also if you noticed. He never hurt Luffy but hurt everyone else,
He didn't have to hurt Luffy. Luffy was already unconscious by that point.
^^^ He didn't hurt Luffy on Shanoboney either.
@supertramp:
kuma being a revolutionary, to me, is pure speculation. there is little evidence both ways. though kuma saved the strawhats in sabaody, he did try to kill luffy in TB
we have many hints pointing to Kuma being apart of the Revolutionary, or having an own objective:
1. Letting the crew live at TB when he was ORDER to kill them!
2. Lying to Sengoku about it
3. Separating the crew at Shabody to save them
but that has nothing to do with him being a revolutioneer…i mean just because he was gonna take luffy to the marines doesn't mean he can't be a revolutioneer. Besides playing the government's dog and being loyal is necessary to get information from the inside...
nevermind, i'm going into my vacation now...
And stay there.
….........
we have many hints pointing to Kuma being apart of the Revolutionary, or having an own objective:
1. Letting the crew live at TB when he was ORDER to kill them!
2. Lying to Sengoku about it
3. Separating the crew at Shabody to save them
- Sending them to islands where it could mostly benefit them
You guys are like piranhas, you can skeletize a thread into horrible offtrack theories in seconds.
Not one page in and we're off on some wild retard ride of ideas about Kuma.
Bravo.
Hey guys, if I make a thread about back-acne wouldn't it be fun to see how quickly you get the discussion to speculating an evidenced theory about Whitebeard's body hair having a devil fruit.
It's like that Wikipedia Hitler game kinda, see how quickly you can link to Hitler's article from any other one.
We can call it "Six Degrees of Degradation".
I wounder if Boa Hancock and Bon Clay will join the revolutionaries.
The Revolutionary Army, from my reading, can't be a good thing. The World Government is evil, yes, but then again there are members who do try to protect the people it governs. And then there is the whole thing about toppling kingdoms. It's never said but it is implied that Dragon was all for Crocodile's plans. I think Dragon and the Revolutionary Army are just as goal focused as the World Government and are uncaring of who they trample to get to that goal.
First off, You need to CHILL OUT with the multi-posting, Deltron. I usually have to say this to people who talk to me on IM, but whatever you wanna say, say it in the same post, which is made much easier with an edit button.
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But yeah. I am keeping a VERY close eye on Inazuma. I don't know why, but ever since I saw Inazuma the first time (When everyone thought s/he was Ivankov), I've had a feeling that s/he's gonna be incredibly important somehow. Maybe my "Epic Minor Character" senses are tingling or something, but something about Inazuma makes me think that s/he's gonna be showing some epic stuff soon.
Also, have you noticed that s/he always carries a goblet with him/her all the time? I have a feeling that it somehow affects his/her ability to fight. Maybe a paramecia devil fruit based around wine? Or maybe a paramecia that deals with certain kinds contrast, able to turn hot into cold, black into white, male into female?
However, it's a little too early to speculate on Inazuma right now, but I will be watching.
@Deltron:
You guys are like piranhas, you can skeletize a thread into horrible offtrack theories in seconds.
Not one page in and we're off on some wild retard ride of ideas about Kuma.
Bravo.
1. This theory has been in talk ever since Kuma separated the crew back at Shabody.
2. The only wild retard ride here would be you for not using the edit button.
3. I'm off track for giving examples that Kuma could possibly be apart of the Revolutionary by stating/ giving examples as to why I believe so…hummmm.
Wow, I can sit here and put my shit into a 6 paragraph essay for you, but, I do not have that time tonight!
@Deltron:
It's like that Wikipedia Hitler game kinda, see how quickly you can link to Hitler's article from any other one.
Are you niggas game.
one piece is nazi.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Piece (CountryOfOrigin) ->
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan (History WWII) ->
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany ->
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler
@supertramp:
kuma being a revolutionary, to me, is pure speculation. there is little evidence both ways. though kuma saved the strawhats in sabaody, he did try to kill luffy in TB
or perhaps tests the crews integrity and thus make them stronger, also i doubt he would have killed Luffy, just give the crew the opportunity to show their true colours, and more specifically the captains right hand man….....
anyway this is my speculation because i think kuma is one of the most intelligent people in this, making calculated decisions that will have huge impacts on the current era, and still leaving his ultimate goals and loyalties a mystery.......he has more answers to give then most as he is tied between the government, pirates and revolutionaries..........A unique position indeed
Well, I better get this out before the thread gets too big. While I wouldn't use some definite terms as "does not" you have a point.
Iva clearly knows the consequences of attacking a son of dragon, so Kuma should do. He wanted the crew to give him Luffy's head at Thriller Barque, and at the time there was no way he could have know the crew was so loyal. It really doesn't make complete sense for him to have tried to kill Luffy if he worked or was an ally of Dragon.
Of course, there are a few ways to explain these plot holes, so it's still possible.
But I want to bring this possibility out there. Kuma doesn't work for Dragon, but knows him. This is just as interesting, and makes sense. Hell, all the world power members seem to brush elbows with the greatest in the world.
Really? He did likely watch them fight together against Oz, and just hearing stories about the ordeals they've been through he could easily piece together they are a very tight-knit group. Protecting Luffy was just clarification on what he probably already knew. Plus like he said later, having great friends is what he expected of a son of Dragon.
Though I still don't think he works for Dragon, but still likely roots for him despite working for the government. Kuma fought the Revolutionaries when he was known as a Tyrant, got his ass kicked, repaired by government as cyborg and became Shichibukai to fulfill a debt is my theory. Knows Dragon, but being his friend doesn't make much sense as he would kinda be talking about himself in the third person with the comment about father&son having good Nakama.
But yeah. I am keeping a VERY close eye on Inazuma. I don't know why, but ever since I saw Inazuma the first time (When everyone thought s/he was Ivankov), I've had a feeling that s/he's gonna be incredibly important somehow. Maybe my "Epic Minor Character" senses are tingling or something, but something about Inazuma makes me think that s/he's gonna be showing some epic stuff soon.
Also, have you noticed that s/he always carries a goblet with him/her all the time? I have a feeling that it somehow affects his/her ability to fight. Maybe a paramecia devil fruit based around wine? Or maybe a paramecia that deals with certain kinds contrast, able to turn hot into cold, black into white, male into female?
However, it's a little too early to speculate on Inazuma right now, but I will be watching.
Inazuma probably has the Reverse Reverse(duality fruit) fruit people thought Iva had to explain Death Wink and turning someone into a girl. Turning hot into cold, boy into girl, enemies into allies, would be cool powers. He apparently kicked his leg backwards to launch a wolf.
@Deltron:
Are you niggas game.
Your a bad troll, but I can train you to be better.
On-topic: I think there might be a possibility that Dragon seeks out Vivi to posibly bring Alabasta into the Revolutionaries.
Ryuk has a good point about Inazuma. I bet she does have a reverse fruit of some sort, I also noticed how she kicked BACKWARDS and sent a wolf in front of her flying forwards, but then again that could have just been showing her leg after she kicked.
I say Kuma doesnt have any relations to Dragon but he knows that he, along with everyone else in the WG would be starting a war if he did kill luffy because that would majorly piss Dragon off.
Good points were mentioned before, he saved them twice and then lied to Sengokou about it.
He sent each crew member to places that would most likely benefit them (Luffy as an example finding about haki)
He could have easily killed every member in the SH pirate crew twice, do you guys remember when he teleported one of the pacifistas away so he wouldnt kill one of the crew members?
I think he either is secretly helping out the revolutionaries but not doing it openly and not actually being in the revolutionary army. OR he has no relation to dragon at all and is just saving his own skin.
Please stop Ace.
No one will be able to stop this! The rampaging era!
@Kuma:
@Raleigh:
And you expect me to… believe what you say?
@Kuma:
That's up to you, even i have doubts in this matter.
I see no advantage in marine trying to draw out both WhiteBeard and Dragon at the same time. What are they up to?
Try to connect them.
Hint:
@Ace:
I only have one father… and that's Whitebeard!
@Hakuro:
First off, You need to CHILL OUT with the multi-posting, Deltron. I usually have to say this to people who talk to me on IM, but whatever you wanna say, say it in the same post, which is made much easier with an edit button.
Whining about the fact that I multi-posted is infinitly more pathetic then arguing that Kuma is a revolutionary.
1. This theory has been in talk ever since Kuma separated the crew back at Shabody.
Oh so you beleived this dumb idea with even less grounds earlier.
Thanks, I was overestimating you guys again.
2. The only wild retard ride here would be you for not using the edit button.
BOYS DONT CRY
3. I'm off track for giving examples that Kuma could possibly be apart of the Revolutionary by stating/ giving examples as to why I believe so…hummmm.
You haven't given any examples yet.
Wow, I can sit here and put my shit into a 6 paragraph essay for you, but, I do not have that time tonight!
It would be an essay filled with filler, fluff, and bullshit, largely because you have only a small prargraph worth of material to begin with.
@Fiasco.:
Your a bad troll, but I can train you to be better.
Who the hell are you.
Who the hell are you.
Funny thing is you actually have the right to ask this. BTW, Fiasco is a bad troll! His name is befitting
If you are what you say you are
No superstar
Then have no fear
The camera's nowhere near
and no microphones, and nobody wanna know
Oh oh oh oh
"sigh" Idiot above -.-
you must be joking