A weetle kid with a 80-odd million bounty, whose "reputation" was more of a WG propaganda than anything else. Yeah, I am so intimidated.
Mind you, though, I am not talking about today's Robin.
A weetle kid with a 80-odd million bounty, whose "reputation" was more of a WG propaganda than anything else. Yeah, I am so intimidated.
Mind you, though, I am not talking about today's Robin.
@Xai:
A weetle kid with a 80-odd million bounty, whose "reputation" was more of a WG propaganda than anything else. Yeah, I am so intimidated.
Mind you, though, I am not talking about today's Robin.
Oh thank god I thought you were some retard talking about the Robin we know today as if she wasn't strong.
Oh thank god I thought you were some retard talking about the Robin we know today as if she wasn't strong.
I think I made myself quite clear.
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@Xai:
Robin's initial bounty was not due to her power. And, yes, she was a weakling for most part of her life - hiding, and back-stabbing comorades for survival. As a child, she could not use her powers effectively in combat - she seemed to be a shy, introverted girl. Her powers grew over time. Yet, her power did not deserve her bounty. If you noticed, her bounty raise was miniscule compared to the other Strawhats.
Okay, maybe the second bold line got you confused. Come to think of it, I probably didn't phrase things right. Well to summarize:
1. Robin's first bounty was high due to her being able to read poneglyphs. Her reputation as a Devil Child was WG propaganda.
2. Robin's second bounty was not too much of an improvement over her first one, compared to the other strawhats.She is still considered a threat mainly for her knowledge, rather than her combat abilities.
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@Knuckles:
how could you possibly say that about relying on weaponry and not being strong, when we hav someone like franky in the crew, totally relies on the same stuff as krieg to be strong, and saying krieg is weak when he took all those attacks from luffy and could still stand up. i think you need to really look deeper into kreig, and his abilities/or possible abilities if he came back
But that's not it. Krieg is all about his weaponry and Dirty tricks. Franky has some actual human muscle left on him which is amplified by his cyborg enhancements, so he can actually get stronger. Also, Krieg stood up to all of those attacks because he had nearly impossible to break armor.
Also, as I said, his only real ability is deceiving the opponent before they know who he is.
Honestly, if Krieg failed to beat Luffy in the East Blue, I highly doubt, with Luffy's newfound power, he would be able to take a single punch from Luffy now.
Krieg's armor alone was over a ton and he did lift up that ship that Patty and that other guy was in. Yes, he relied on dirty tricks and a lot of weapons but he did have genuine strength.
People seem to be underestimating Krieg. Even after having his armour shattered by Bazooka(the move that disposed of Buggy), he was still concious and clear thinking enough to capture Luffy in an iron net and send him to a watery grave.
Heck…he even not only survived being face planted into the deck of the Baratie in one of the more painful looking attacks of the pre-gear 2 era, he was still concious enough to stand up and rave on about how he was still incredibly strong.
Lastly, let's not forget that even after knowing how incredibly powerful Mihawk was, he was still willing to challenge him(which at least puts him on the same guts scale as Zoro).
Hmm...another weird thing I've found is everyone saying how Krieg relied on his weapons as a negative point...Usopp, Nami, Franky, Zoro, Van Auger and Mihawk primarily rely on their weapons too. From what little we know, it's assumed Yasopp also does, and thus far we've only seen him with a handheld pistol.
The Krieg Vs. Franky thing is bogus too. Krieg may not have cybernetic enhancements, but since when was that the only way to get stronger in One Piece? Zoro and Sanji in theory then should be left in the dust as physical attackers since they lack Franky's ability to cybernetically upgrade. As for Whitebeard, unless we see him shoot lasers out of his eyes/mouth, I think it's safe to assume he lacks any cybernetics too.
Lastly, let's not forget that even after knowing how incredibly powerful Mihawk was, he was still willing to challenge him(which at least puts him on the same guts scale as Zoro).
There is a fine line between being gutsy and being plain darn stupid.
so zoro is stupid then
@Shaman:
so zoro is stupid then
Also Luffy for taking on Crocodile and Moria.
And declaring war on the world government.
Actually to be honest there's no real difference between guts and stupidity most the time in this series.
I think there's a difference between Kreig and Zoro's type of strength and courage. Didn't Kreig challenge Mihawk after already retreating from him? While Zoro wanted to gain the title of top swordsman, I think Kreig just wanted to save his pride. It would have been more courageous to fight Mihawk before he lost his armada and sacrificed his right hand man. Yeah, I would say that Zoro certainly has a stronger character then Kreig.
While the people have made good points about Kreig's strengths, I think the essential weakness of Kreig is that his weapons are a strength and a crutch. An essential difference between him and Usopp or Franky is that they invented their weapons. Kreig in all likeliness bought them.
Though Kreig has some ability, I think a big point of the arc was that without his weapons he wasn't much of a fighter. After all his weapons were gone, Luffy virtually KOed him on the spot. The fact that Ghin KOed him so easily at the end drove this point home.
Oh, and to keep on topic, I don't think he's the type of pirate who can arrive on the Grandline. It seems impossible for him. Even then, he's not capable enough to lead a crew down the Grandline.
I don't think that him buying weapons takes away from him at all. Besides, if he did, then they were all made especially for him. I mean his armor was very unique with the exploding spear, the diamond fist and the spear machine gun. Even if he didn't personally make them, they were outfitted for him, and only him.
Without his weapons, Krieg was still pretty formidable. After he dropped those bombs, Luffy used Bazooka and knocked him in the air, then Luffy used another Bazooka shattering his armor. However, Krieg was still very conscience and used the net. Then, after Luffy used that final move which made Krieg land directly on his head, he still got up(although semi-conscience) and went on about how he was still the greatest. He was very strong willed and would do anything to get the job done. Gin KOed him when he was half way there though, so I hardly think that's fair.
Now, Krieg's leading techniques are not top notch at all. Just scaring everyone into doing their job will eventually ruin you, especially if you only have a bunch of guys without real strength. The only people in his crew worth anything were Gin and Pearl. His regular guys were all just dogs.
Also, if we were to see anyone, I'm thinking that the upcoming battle between the Shichibukai and Whitebeard might be a perfect opening to see any returning guys, or at least Crocodile. That is going to be a world changing even either way that it goes.
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@Shaman:
so zoro is stupid then
Difference is that Zoro knew fully well who Mihawk was, whereas Kreig was just being egotistical.
@Xai:
Difference is that Zoro knew fully well who Mihawk was, whereas Kreig was just being egotistical.
Zoro hadn't even met him, Zoro also thought he could win.
Luffy virtually KOed him on the spot. The fact that Ghin KOed him so easily at the end drove this point home.
Gin was also quite strong, he defeated Sanji. He also shattered Pearl's armour.
oh shit gin did defeat sanji 0.0!!!we will probablly see krieg again for the gin and sanji rematch XD
Zoro hadn't even met him, Zoro also thought he could win.
Zoro doesn't need to have met him to know who was. Remember, Zoro recognizes Mihawk when he sees him, or atleast suspects its him, before Zeff officially confirms that its "Hawk-Eyes".
Le me put it this way: Zoro is an up and coming boxer during Ali's time, who is fully aware who and how good Ali is. Yet, its his ambition to be the best, so he challenges Ali, knowing fully what he is getting into. He is outmatched eventually, but he went in expecting nothing less.
Now, Kreig is the trash-talking street punk who does not know who Ali is. He runs off his mouth in front of Ali simply out of arrogance.
Actually I'm not sure if that's entirely fair Xai. Zoro did honestly think he could win. He knew it would be tough, but he felt he could beat Mihawk.
Remember his surprise at how big the gap was when Mihawk fended off his famed Onigiri with that little toothpick dagger?
At the time Zoro was too confident in himself.
But to be back on topic, as cheesy as it is, I'd like to see a band of the old villains, like the old villain team ups that occured in the superhero comics.
Problem is…Krieg, Kuro, Arlong...I just can't see any of them getting on enough to form a team up.
Krieg's got military might, and a short temper, whilst Arlong's more laid back but cannot stand humans(which may have been explained in the most recent chapter). Kuro's definately the brains of the outfit, and could probably concuct many devious plans using what little the trio would have.
-Kuro however will think little of the other two seemingly dumb brutes, whilst constently trying to make sure they don't go in guns ablazing...
-Arlong hates humans still(we presume), and whilst I can see him liking Kuro(since he's like Nami, IQ wise), his ego will clash with Krieg's for sure.
-Krieg's got a massive ego, and would probably challenge Arlong a lot for top dog.
Actually scratch what I said, I actually think it'd be a pretty funny set up with those three. Siam, Butchie, Chuu, Kurobi and Pearl for crew. Gin set off on his own most likely.
in my opinion all of them will make a return except for Enel and Wapol will return…Enel is too far, Wapol is not that important and became a candyshop. Crocodile is sort of unlikely too since with his abilities he'd perform best in a desert place, so we won't really see anything new from him ability-wise.
and the reason for them to return will hopefully all be slightly different. Don Krieg and Kuro should both have a little change of heart because their crew accepted them even after they treated them badly. Arlong though I think he would still be a human hater unless something else develops in the near future, Lucci's position is different now seeing as he's about to confront the marines
@Hakuro:
But that's not it. Krieg is all about his weaponry and Dirty tricks. Franky has some actual human muscle left on him which is amplified by his cyborg enhancements, so he can actually get stronger. Also, Krieg stood up to all of those attacks because he had nearly impossible to break armor.
Also, as I said, his only real ability is deceiving the opponent before they know who he is.
Honestly, if Krieg failed to beat Luffy in the East Blue, I highly doubt, with Luffy's newfound power, he would be able to take a single punch from Luffy now.
youve completly changed the debate, you said he relied on weaponry too much, to which im saying so does franky, and how can you say franky relies on true strength with help from his enhancements, where does it state that? if krieg had frankies weapons then he mite have been able to beat luffy.. who knows. and who eva said krieg wanted to leave the grand line, he had a huge crew/army and massive rep for the area, and pleas dnt compare old villains to luffy's current strength, its weakens your ground to debate
The arguement about [INSERT DIS-LIKED CHARACTER HERE] relying on weapons is about as valid as saying "WELL KIZURA AND AKOJI AND ENEL JUST RELY ON THE LOGIA POWERS WITHOUT THEM THEY'D BE NOTHING"
The argument about [INSERT DIS-LIKED CHARACTER HERE] relying on weapons is about as valid as saying "WELL KIZURA AND AKOJI AND ENEL JUST RELY ON THE LOGIA POWERS WITHOUT THEM THEY'D BE NOTHING"
Are you baiting me? I feel like you are baiting me.
yeah, no.
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ok ok i'll just finish by stating my thoughts
franky relies on weapons too much (i do like franky so dont think otherwise)
krieg is was a strong character that relied on weapons too much
frankies true strength has neva been confirmed
if krieg had frankies body i think he would be on almost the same par as franky
franky is a shiprite 1st and a fighter second
i hav no mor to say, you hav your opinion and i have mine, but thanks for debating this interesting subject
yeah, no.
Oh, Ok. Not that I really care. All of this has been tl;dr for so long that I only come in the thread as a roundabout way to refresh the main manga subforum.
Oh, Ok. Not that I really care. All of this has been tl;dr for so long that I only come in the thread as a roundabout way to refresh the main manga subforum.
also just here tryin to pass the time till a decent thread appears lol
To get back on topic, Im changing my opinion from Arlong to Crocodile.
To get back on topic, Im changing my opinion from Arlong to Crocodile.
why change your opinion, dont giv into pressure, when u look at what has happened to arlong and all his kind u can easily see a reason for a possible return, just look at hacchi, and how many people hav returned after such a long period of time, u neva know….......with the possible jailbreak/execution
of ace we mite see alot of the old enemies escape....................just imagine the pure fekin greatness of all the prisoners escaping throwing the pirate era into a mass brawl........yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh.
just imagine the crazy possibilities aaahhhhahahahahahhah
too much redbull
when u read the latest chapter…. u can predict who will returns
Croc and Arlong make sense to me because Luffy's at Impel Down. The Shichibukai are gathered but without the loyalty of Boa or Jinbei so they may turn to Crocodile (I hope at least). Jinbei is in Impel Down and so is his buddy Arlong, Oda did that for a reason.
^Why does everybody think Arlong is in Impel Down???
He was a weak East blue pirate. I'm pretty sure Hachi would've mentioned that when the crew met him again and said they were still in jail.
returns will include Croc et al, and buggy. somehow i hope buggy will be split from his crew for the rest of the manga, they sucked and are boring/weak. Buggy should join the SH's, I mean, how much more awesome would the SH parties be with a clown who can do all kinds of party tricks. he'd also be a great lookout, which is something people are predicting for perona
I really doubt Arlong is at Impel Down. That was never stated, Hachi just said they took him to jail correct? Also, I wouldn't call Arlong weak. He was pretty darn strong.
Anyway, I knew Buggy was going to come back but I didn't expect him to be at Impel Down at all. Hopefully he's learned new tricks. And as I said earlier, I expect to see 0-3 here. I know Oda isn't going to let an oppurtunity like this slip away without us seeing such important people. I think their chances are boosted even more since Bon Clay is a friend of the Straw Hats, so if Luffy sees him he may want to help him too…or Bon Clay will see him running around....something….
^ At first I thought Croc would get a grand re-introduction kinda like Luffy gets caught is about to get the new guy treatment like we've seen in the recent chap(in this situation Luffy is weak from sea stone) but then somebody says stop. The guy is shocked at who just made the order backs away as Luffy's carried to the back and then we see Croc sitting on a chair with 1-3 near him all high and mighty smoking a couple cigars.
But now I figure Croc's gonna get a cliff hanger intro in ID. Something like around the prison break Luffy's running around with an unconsious Ace and a wounded Hancock(dying) and they come up an opponent(Momnoga maybe, a shichbukai possibly, a bunch of strong ass guards) and then as they are about to attack they all get the life sucked out of them. End chap lol…....