It's a good twist.Norman asking Ray what could be the incentive for a spy makes more sense now.also,i guess don just state out telling some info he just learned and compromising his cover and Mom also aiding him in that would be a bit anticlimactic.
Posts made by sggupta
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RE: The Promised Neverland
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RE: Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread v.2
i think the Zou arc has shown that Artificial DF's are just really basic power-ups that are used to increase the strength of the minions and low-level like underlings(gifters,sheepshead).
they were honestly even less influential than i thought they'd be.so i doubt Judge and the Vinsmokes would use them.either their powers will be purely technological,or just a result of R&D with the help of Bloodline elements and general DF powers. -
RE: Greg: Teacher of SUPER " OP " course !
Hey Greg, figured I'd ask since you seem to be pretty knowledgeable.
There are instances in One Piece where pretty crucial plot points have already been stated but as a reader it may not seem obvious unless you read every SBS or understand japanese, cause shit like this can get lost in translation all the time. The main one I'm thinking of is how Oda said in some interview that Ace vs Blackbeard on Banaro Island dialogue had a clue to Blackbeard's being able to have two DFs.
I think it was someone on AP who explained it but essentially the gist of it is that after Blackbeard invites Ace to join his crew Ace declines and says "You've lived twice the life of another, so you should know what the deal is". The explanation given on AP was that, if I'm in a cafe with my gf and you come and hit on my girl, I might tell you "Greg don't hit on another man's girlfriend". What I'm REALLY saying is "Don't hit on MY girlfriend"
So when Ace tells BB that, it can be read as "You're 40 years old, you're already an experienced pirate, you should know how this type of situation is and I won't join your crew" but apparently if we can also read it literally as BB having lived twice the normal life of normal people somehow then the clue to his DF becomes obvious.
So my question is, are there any other instances of important plot stuff like this in OP being hidden or obscured that you know of that Oda has elaborated on in some interview or SBS? Kind of vague but I'm just dying to know what other big clues I may have missed.
as far as i remember,that was only pure speculation and there was nothing said by oda in an interview.
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RE: Talk Religion And Be Nice About It
Well, I hardly believe in that, man needed a role model to teach them how to be a society.
That's cool,that's a belief and also coincidentally one which answers the question asked by kapatyn.the belief that Jesus is the role model,and also to some level following his teachings would better sum up what being christian is to you,rather than saying anyone who believes in love and respect for family is christian
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But yeah, being a christian is not tied to the bible, is something much greater than that, even if you are atheist, who do you think that came up with the concept of love towards others ?
In the christian case, it was Jesus.Humanity .
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RE: A Study of One Piece Animation
I'm certainly not going to claim to be an expert on the matter, but I'm pretty sure she doesn't have a distinct dialect. The Kansai accent has some pretty distinct pronoun and honorific usage that I've never heard from her.
Law's usage of "-ya" is kind of close, but I don't think he goes the full nine yards (though he was voted to sing about Osaka in that prefecture character song set a little while back).
hmm,seems i was mistaken.i myself don't really know why i thought that in the first place.
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RE: Talk Religion And Be Nice About It
@Dr.:
I guess i could call myself an agnostic, but i prefer to say that i don't care about religion and ignore it. I aknowledge that faith is a choice and must be respected, and i do.
But as for me i feel offended by the very fact that i must choose a religious view, even if that is agnosticism.That's something i can understand and i can agree with.
There's only one thing about my religious views that is permanent,and that is i will form my own view as time goes on,seeing,thinking,understanding and finding new thoughts,beliefs and perspectives.i take my views as very malleable,and not something unchangable.Ah cool, thanks!
also,disregarding colors the position of the bars is also constant,if you still want to look at the diagram.the first one is harcore atheist,not believing in any spirit,God or life force.the second is spiritual,believing in some spirit or life force.third one is believing in God,and fourth is don't know.
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RE: Bleach Discussion █: Soul Society, but not!
Ok, I was exaggerating, but I doubt it should take more than like couple of hours, depending on reading speed and whether you will ponder about the content.
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that's true,but honestly i am a bit of a slow reader,so it would take me more time sadly.
and i originally watched the anime,and only read the manga later,for only some chapters.so anime is definitely the preferred option when it comes to bleach,as that's how i viewed it.
in the end though like i said,it's not like i have a burning need to read or watch bleach.i get around toenjoying various stuff a lot later even if the it is good,so bleach being known to be crappy beforehand will probably not be touched in a while.
if there was an anime,it would have nice animation and soundtrack to it's credit,so i would have more incentive to get to it.
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RE: Bleach Discussion █: Soul Society, but not!
so around 200 chapters in less than 30 minutes?that would mean 7 chapters per minute.that's one hell of a speed read lol.
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RE: Bleach Discussion █: Soul Society, but not!
Don't undestand the issue, it will take you like half an hour.
half an hour to read 200+ chapters(i think)?
i'll assume you are referring to the last 5 chapters,but like i said i don't see any meaning in reading just the last 5 chapters.i want to just finish it,but not by skipping over almost the entire stuff.the main thing i want to do is for closure,which i don't feel reading just the ending would provide.
and as you say,the anime always had good animation and soundtrack,so that would make going through it easier
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RE: A Study of One Piece Animation
i dont know if this is the right place but i just wanted to ask,what dialect is nami's voice?i think it is kansai,but i'm not sure
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RE: Talk Religion And Be Nice About It
I would currently be considered a mix between Agnostic and atheist.i don't think labels do any justice to religious beliefs though,and i don't know if i can be categorised as properly one of them.
To elucidate,i would say that we can't really know if there is a god or not,like agnosticism.but more importantly i also think i don't really care if there is a God or not.If there is a God-like figure/s,why should we care?them creating us could very well be a part of their nefarious designs,or to simply be worshipped by us,or to just enjoy our suffering,or maybe they just need us.
either way,just the fact i could be created by a higher figure,doesn't mean i'd bow down and accept to whatever my supposed creator wants.you could also say,if there is a God,he/she must be evil.though i don't mean that literally
there may be a higher power or spirit that's akin to God,that seems more likely to me.that power,call it fate,life,spirit,anything.it would run through every living thing and would be what drives us.maybe it's just Carbon,something that is the basis of life?
anyway,i was born in a practising hindu household.religion was never really a big part of my life,aside from events and festivals and stuff.when i was very young,i didn't really care about or understand religion.after getting somewhat older and basically becoming a teen,i began to wonder about religion and for a long time religion was a bane which did nothing but harm.my views on religion have softened,and now have some amount of respect and curiosity to Hinduism,especially the epics like Mahabarata and Ramayana,and to the general myths and lore of hinduism.i still don't agree with many of it preaches or depicts though,and really don't think at all that anything in it is what is the actual truth regarding history or the world.
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RE: Chapter 843: Vinsmoke Sanji
Yeah, it's not like the threads of Naruto and Bleach were not full of guys like that…
i guess that's true,but the difference was that they have normal criticism.and they could find some good stuff too,and were generally not trolling.
personally,there's only so much of something i can follow that i'm not not really liking,so i can get what you are saying.that's why i left bleach long ago and also fairy tail osme time ago.
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RE: Chapter 843: Vinsmoke Sanji
@Monkey:
I've almost come around from despising you to liking you as like some bizarre Statler and Waldorf figure.
yeah,it's pretty admirable how he finds a way to criticise every chapter so trollishly.maybe he should be a tsun mascot character.
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RE: Bleach Discussion █: Soul Society, but not!
Just read the final 5 chapters. It'll give you a good reason why you shouldn't bother reading the rest. What with the whole rushjob "Then suddenly the good guys won!" and 75% of the characters being forgotten.
i know it's crap,that's why i dropped it in the first place.it was around when we get to know about ichigo's mom and her backstory.well i knew it was crap way before,but somehow still continued reading.
but i still want to complete it and get closure.
reading just the ending part is an option,but one i'd rather not do as i doubt i'll feel satisfied with just completing something that half-assedly. it'd be the same as not reading it that way.
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RE: Bleach Discussion █: Soul Society, but not!
i was wondering,is there any chance for the anime to now proceed,or will i have to slog through the manga to complete the series?
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RE: Volume 83 Predictions/Discussion
@Count:
To be fair, the screen time that these characters did have were just quick glimpses that set up future plot points. And in most of them, we see one of Big Mom's children (Brûlée/Cracker with the Straw Hats, Praline with the Sun Pirates, Chiffon with Bege and Pekoms, Opera/Mont D'orin the Big Mom rampage scene where Tamago and Jimbei appeared), so showcasing them in that strip is a perfectly clever way to give a nod to all of the plot threads that will get developed and tie into each other later as well as representing Big Mom's wide and diverse family. And like you said, the most major characters will get a cover at some point. In fact, Volume 74 will probably have a Vinsmoke Family cover since that will cover Sanji's flashback and his fight with Luffy in the next chapter or two.
i agree that the strip is a good idea and is pretty cool,i just think it's somewhat small,and yeah the vinsmoke and jinbei and others will have their splash,and while normally both these things wouldn't be a problem,this time there seems to be no characters outside of the strip except Big Mom and luffy,which seems to make the cover feel empty sort of.maybe i'm just used to seeing One Piece covers chock full of characters.
It's a pretty good looking cover though.really sets the theme and setting of the arc out nicely.
i noticed that there's no sign of the cloud and sun homies there,while the umbrella and some others are there.though the arguments could go both way for what it means for the zeus and prometheus=sun and cloud homies theory,because you could say that they are not on the cover because they are not important,but you could also say they are not on the cover because they are gonna make an appearance later with much more effect and thunder -
RE: Volume 83 Predictions/Discussion
it is just me or is the cover really strange?i mean don't get me wrong it looks great but i don't know, the lack of any major character like pudding,any of the SH's,pedro or carrot(though i guess the have already made their cover appearance),Bege,tamogo,pekoms,Vinsmokes,jinbei seems weird.i get that some of those may have already got or will get a cover appearance,but still this cover looks somewhat lacking in named characters,with even the Big Mom children getting little screen time.i guess i am just a little confused by that fact,and the fact that it just looks so great just conflicts me. maybe i just need some sleep lol
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RE: Official Totland Thread
The latest chapter makes my feeling about Big Mom getting defeated this arc a bit more probable, both plotwise and powerwise. Luffy even commented that she's no big deal, haha.
With the exposition about her powers, she doesn't seem all that invincible now. She's still freaking powerful though, but Luffy has a chance. The only problem is that her forces vastly outnumber us. Luffy has to now quickly gather and turn some people to allies. It's just a matter of getting the right amount of named characters to match against named characters on Big Mom's side.
The fact that they are targeted now because of their defeat of Cracker seals the deal though. Unless they're forgiven, they have to fight now to even leave Totland.
i have to agree.though i still think there won't be a proper fight with Big Mom and she won't be taken down,this chapter really leads one to think there is gonna be a showdown with her.the defeat of Cracker,eveyone's shock and alarm,the gathering of the sweet commanders and Pound telling what happened the last time shit got this far.it all makes it seem like a showdown is imminent.
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RE: Chapter 843: Vinsmoke Sanji
Oh wow Sanji's eyebrows have a mind of their own now. They were normal the rest of the chapter.
But in all seriousness Oda has been fucking up something on Sanji every chapter now for like the past three months. Be it this or the handcuffs or forgetting his facial hair.
nice find!i think it's a possibility it is done intentionally to show that sanji is putting on an act and is acting like his brothers.
also count mario and others pointed out,but Zeus and Prometheus are probably powerful homies Big Mom uses to influence weather.
@Count:I thought that they were just quotes from the crowd, but the sun and moon were actually talking lol. I should've noticed that sooner.
What fascinates me is the umbrella Big Mom carries. I wonder if it has any quirky abilities itself.
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That's a nice interpretation, too bad that's all it is. The manga hasn't made this entirely clear. So far we know Zeff told him women should not be hit and that he considers himself as his parent. Hopefully we'll get more background on this, but so far you're just interpreting it in your own way.
It would be helpful if you specify which part of a post you are referring to,especially if the post is quite long.anyway,since you don't i assume you are saying everything in that post is an interpretation.
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it's just a matter of one day,and we can all move on to more interesting conversation.
speaking of interesting,i was listening to the podcast and stephen brought up something very interesting(someone did mention about it,but only vaguely).basically what Zeff says about hitting women is"it's been this way since the age of dinoausaurs",wheras what sanji says to reiju is"it's something from the age of dinosaurs",and according to him it's something very clear in the japanese.this would imply that sanji himself recognises that his attitude and behaviour are archaic and irrevelant to today's time.he also makes other good points,basically describing his own view on oda's stance towards gender roles and sexism/feminism,you should listen to it if you are interested.
but anyway,the difference in wording plus the specification in SBS that Sanji can't hit women,rather than won't does leave a chance that there will be more emphasis and resolution to sanji's behaviour.
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Zoro has a bad sense of direction, it's a flaw he can't do anything about. He isn't intentionally choosing the wrong path, his brain simply can't keep up. It's a legitimate weakness.
And yeah you are right, Luffy intentionally put the crew in danger on Saobody by punching Charlos. But do you also remember what happened after? He realized that he was biting off more than he could chew, which lead to tons of tears and a freaking 2 year timeskip. And that timeskip didn't only make him much more powerful, but also a lot more level-headed compared to his Paradise self.
It's pretty much what some people wanted to see for Sanji as well. Either an extreme explanation why he has such a hardcore stance towards not hitting women, or SOME sort of development, similar to Luffy being a tad more cautious when it comes to picking fights (like trying to not fight Big Mum right now) or Usopp showing courage not only when it comes to his nakama, but also to outsiders like the Dwarves.
Agreed.luffy's and zoro's actions can't really be compared to sanji's,and he could definitely use some change in this sense.
Wonder what would happen if Nami said that she'd cut her throat if Sanji refused to fight a woman. Would he just suffer a meltdown or straight implode into himself?
What if one of the okamas he had fought was actually an ugly woman posing as a man posing as a woman?
What if a Catarina Devon was about to kill Zeff?
Being Sanji must be really hard. I wonder if Oda has considered these conflicting situations. And if he has, I honestly hope he came up with more than just "Zeff said so". Sure, it's easy to deal with the problem by simply not putting Sanji into such a situation, but that's a superficial way of dealing with things.
Agreed.sanji does have it tough lol.chivalry is no easy thing.he's damned if he hits,and dned if he doesn't.
Anyway,i agree that i want to see more focis on this aspect of sanji's no hitting policy,and some kind of resolution to this.Zoro is the type who would take Luffy's pain and sacrifice himself for the crew. Yes true but you can't use that against Sanji when Sanji was prepared to do the EXACT same thing. Brook and those rolling pirates commended Sanji for that. Sanji's deal with Kalifa is as dumb to me as Bellamere outing herself to the Arlong Pirates but well what can you do? Both of them sacrificed the greater good for their values at the time.
And while I do think it's dumb I like characters who really stand by their ideals or what have you. Zeff doesn't want women in his kitchen, well ok. White Beard doesn't want female fighters in his crew, cool, that's all him. They have their own beliefs within the story that are different from other characters as well as different from mine.
^this.it's what i was about to say too.other notable example of people being idiots but still being portrayed as cool would be Hirulik,who had good intentions but probably did only more harm to his patients,vivi who very naively wanted to save evryone without losing anything,franky for making dangerous weapons that could hurt people,fisher tiger being unable to let go of his hatred and choosing to die rather than take human blood,etc
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And look, no one's saying you can't or shouldn't write characters with sexism as a personal failing - flawed characters are good characters, but generally it's good writing to make a character arc out of a fatal flaw. To show it being worked on or grappled with over time. And Oda isn't incapable of this.
These are great examples
Sanji, on the other hand, was sexist when we met him and… is still sexist now. If anything he's worse than before, following the timeskip. It's not as if he's lacked chances to grt.
I hope, I hope so bad that all of this is leading up to a big moment of character growth in Totland. But I'm not holding my breath.
Oda doesn't have to change who Sanji is. Womanizing can remain a defining character trait, we know that's not going anywhere. But if he could just gain a tiny bit of respect for the danger posed by female enemies, or reach the point where he'd maybe consider choosing his crew over a woman he met yesterday who is trying to kill him, that would be great. That would do wonders for his charact
Good points.
Alright, we can argue all day about whether Monet or a hundred mooks is more of a threat…
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Sure,and the answer at the end would be 100 mooks against zoro at that time was more of a challenge compared to monet at this time
but you do know that you've brought up some great examples of sexism in what you're saying, right? Zoro is 100% willing to draw blood against the mook bounty hunters, mook marines, mook pirate mobs, mook Punk Hazard guys (I forgot he downed a bunch of them when I last posted) but he just happens to not do it every time there's a girl around. As you said, there was no way not to fight Miss Monday "but even then, he didn't cause that much damage to her"
That's the thing, isn't it? He won't cause damage to her. You say he "crushed her head," but like, look at the panel where he lets her go. There's no blood, no bruising, no finger imprints from where he grabbed her. The only sign anything at all has happened is that she's foaming at the mouth, which is a good sign of being awed or shocked into unconsciousness (or haki, but yeah, no). The bystanders just say he "beat her in a show of strength," which doesn't say a whole lot about what he actually didThere are actually bruises on her face.but my main point was there is no actual difference between miss monday and other bounty hunters's condition.there is really no reason to see blood spattered and damaged women,which you seem to overstress
Monet is disarmed and given a chance to surrender, but Zoro acts passively and lets Tashigi finish her off. No one else is getting the I-won't-cut-you-down treatment
You do realise that was intentional and tashigi brought up that same thing?we were basically intentionaly tols by tashigi that zoro is sexist.with zoro saying no he is not.
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RE: Chapter 842: The Power of Fullness
You know it's okay to criticize the series and point out where it stumbles with issues like sexism, right? You guys? You can like it and still accept its flaws.
Agreed.But it also means everyone's gonna have a different opinion.your opinion or criticsm can also be questioned.
The argument that Zoro wasn't in real danger against Monet but was every other time is such bullshit.
Not really.
Whiskey Peak, Ennies Lobby, Fishman Island. These are enemies so weak they don't even get to cross swords with him. He cuts them down in numbers that go to half a dozen or more per panel. Not per page, per panel he cuts groups of them down without taking a scratch. He proves at Whiskey Peak that he can take them down without causing real damage when he spares the nun and the child.
Whiskey Peak was placed at the beginning of grand line,and so yeah the enemies were weak.But it was 100 against one,so zoro was constantly on his guard if you watch carefully.Yet,he didn' t really go all out against anyone if he didn't need to.the nun and the child were spared as you brought up.but miss monday was a named member of BW,and was quite strong.so he had to injure her.but even then,he didn't cause that much damage to her,and she even helped vivi escape later.
In enies lobby,no one was vastly weaker than zoro except fodder,whoch don't really count.
In fishmen island,no one was barely even a challenge,and in the hyozou fighy,zoro gave him a chance to surrender and even after he defeated him,hyozou was alive and well.Nah nah nah but that was real actual danger and Monet wasn't. Monet, with her wings and bird talons and logia type devil fruit, who actually crossed her blades with Zoro's and outlived the panel it happened in, who is fighting in a building that's rapidly filling with deadly gas, while he has friends and allies in the immediate area who can't properly defend themselves against her, is less threatening to him than all of those mooks.
You seem to be forgetting that all the SH's have greatly improved over the course of the series,especially after the time-skip.what could have easily killed them before won't even faze them now.
Tashigi, with noteworthy and named sword, and similar ability to at least clash with him for a moment, was less threatening. Miss Monday, who literally did more actual damage to him than every other bounty hunter on the island working together, still was not worth using the actual sharp part of the sword.
He doesn't want to fight Tashigi becoz she reminds zoro of kunia,which he doesn' t like.it weirds him out.
Miss monday challenged zoro to a contest of pure strength,and zoro is one to never shy away from a challenge.so he beat her at her own game.plus,he crushed her head sp i don' t know what you want.even the person he defeated with his swords,like igaram were not mortally wounded,and were fine afterwards.Zoro's attitude towards women is bad. Sanji's attitude towards women is bad. Oda's portrayal of both of these as positive character traits is bad. Critical analysis and ongoing discussion of issues like these in pop culture is good. Recognising One Piece's flaws and still enjoying it is okay.
Cool.It 's also okay to disagree with some points of criticism and debate them.Sanji's actions and overall portrayal of women aside,i just don't accept that zoro has sexist(?) tendencies.
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RE: Chopper's forms
Monster trio, a term used once in thriller bark, and forever remembered by the fandom.
It's all nami's fault,doesn't she understand the misuse such terms lead to?
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@Tamiel:
- We got that answer in this chapter
It seems we are indeed going around in circles.As i've said before in my posts,why do people expect Sanji's actions with Kalifa to all boil down to a single reason or incident,instead of being a part of his personality and character?no matter what reason there could have been that triggered sanji's chivalry,it was still only a part of his beliefs that shaped his actions.
you main gripe was that he didn't put his beliefs above robin,which wouldn't change.i guess you could retrospect about thing with new revelations and stuff,but really there's nothing new in this chapter that should change anything about how you feel,which was my point.- Well it was in response to your claim that people have forgotten how the fight transpired. So yeah, I will quote you on it, especially now that you admit not remembering the scene that well yourself. Jajajalulu
it's not like i don;t remember the fight at all.most of it was action,so it's all really down to personal interpretation of body language,but to me it did seem like he wanted to hit her.Oda's SBS answer also said the same(and it was serious,not the usually jokey stuff)
Western perspective of chivalry
this would really be directly relevant to OP if One piece was a western comic,but it's not and it's not referencing the western Knight's chivalry concept but instead a more eastern alternative of the name "Kishido"
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Well yeah, that's why I said that it's a weird right to argue about anyway. Who in real life context would want the right to be punched and kicked "like a man"? It only makes sense in the crazy world of One Piece. So if the issue of women deserving the right to be punched and kicked doesn't even relate to the real world in any way, why would anyone get upset about it? It's really weird to me that people are making such a big deal out of something like this.
It's not, this chapter wasn't even about that. The thing that made several people angry here is Zeff's belief that hitting women, in a normal situation, is wrong. This, first of all, from a character who thinks that kicking a little boy to teach him how to cook is absolutely ok, which already shows that good old Zeff may have a bit of a twisted view on things. But even ignoring that, it's really not that offensive a statement. Maybe Zeff stated things a little overdramatically, but it's not that big a deal…many, many people, me included, would have moral qualms about hitting women.
I don't know, I just have a problem with equating "being fine with hitting a woman" to "being a big supporter of feminism":blink:It's usually the other way around.
good points
@Tamiel:However we are not seeing Sanji's chivalry only in the context of this chapter. We are analyzing Sanji's character as a whole. Not only that, but we HAVE to talk about combat, because Sanji took this lesson to involve those situations as well.
yes,analysing sanji's character in overall sense is fine and all,but since this is a chapter discussion thread,the main focus would be on this chapter,and what is presented herein.as i said earlier,the events of enies lobby are quite a bit in the past,and i doubt this chapter does anything to change that.that's why i asked what people are upset about in this chapter,and that they expected things(trauma or super-serious reason,or a complete 180 degrees on sanji and zeff's characters),both of which were not really that plausible.
wherever sanji picked up chivalry,the current sanji's own beliefs also play a role in this regard,and it's not like whatever reason prompted to become like this could completely override his character and personality.so they'd still see his actions as wrong in most cases unless there is a huge shift in characterI find worshiping such a strong word. I completely understand the tradition on celebrating women as the carrier's of life, and to regard them respectfully as equals is, in my opinion, where the whole worship business should end.
fair enough.was just something that popped into my mind and was curious about
I cannot talk about other people. However, I remember that scene pretty well. Sanji never tried to kick Kalifa. Am I crazy? No, Sanji tried to bluff, intimidate Kalifa by subduing her with her kicks. He had no intention of kicking in the first place. Just establish his superiority as a fighter hoping that would be enough to make Kalifa surrender. As soon as he realized that would not work, he should have left the room and search for someone whom could handle the job. Maybe he got inspired by his defeat to tell Ussop that famous line, but my impression was that Sanji was already a good strategist to realize that even if he has to respect his principles he should not jeopardize his current situation because of it. Again, I can forgive Sanji given the recent revelations, I agree that it was not portrayed well during Lobby (Nami's speech). However it is not something I can agree with, or even respect his decision.
the bluffing was definitely a part of it,but from what i read i could also see he did try to kick her.it's been a while since i read that part,so don't quote me on that
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People give Zoro shit for going easy on Monet and toss that up as more sexism. But… he did the exact same thing against Hyouzou. He held back, gave him chance to surrender, and went easy on him because he was far, far beneath his skill level, and only did a finishing move when he simply wouldn't give up and tried a sneak attack. (Taking to heart Mihawk's lesson about not hunting rabbits with canonballs.) She was nearly defeated just by Zoro looking at her scary.
SO yes, Oda's sexism is at play there in that he didn't have Zoro beat up Monet... but that's on Oda rather than Zoro, at least in that case. (And Luffy fought Monet without qualms as well, he just had issues with her actual snow power.)
agreed.plus,a lot of people seem to forget that Tashigi brings up the same point they did,so it's not like that viewpoint is completely ignored in the story,but they somehow just ignore that.
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RE: Chapter 842: The Power of Fullness
@Tamiel:
I think the real question here is: Would Tank Man be able to withstand/repel Zunisha's trunk? The comparison to take from of all of this is that, even if Cracker was remarkable, his pleb life ended with just one hit, just like Jack back in Zou.
i think it's more a question of,luffy needs land to stand on.
It is not a matter of hitting them, or if you consider hitting a person is bad or not within [context].
in this situation,it is mostly about not hitting them.they are not talking about combat situations or what-not,they are talking about normally wanting to hitting them.which is a pretty commom sentiment expressed by a lot of people,both men and women alike,or maybe i'm just living in the most backward society lol. i don't know,from the way some people are saying stuff,i would think so
In terms of fighting, if someone is capable of killing you, then saying: wait I don't want to punch you, because of titties, it is easily viewed the discrimination against gender.
it's not like sanji saying's they are incapable of killing them or are not strong,he just doesn't want to hit them because of his beliefs.though,i guess you could say that's demeaning them,and tashigi i think certainly has implied that she doesn't like it.
Well, what are you worshiping them for?
hmm,religion probably?i only brought it up coz we are currently in the festive season and that part of the year when we have a ritual where we have small girls come over and given food and stuff and basically worshipped.the reason would,i guess be because women are regarded respectfully,and are thought to be a bringer of life,prosperity wisdom etc
Because in Sanji's case it is definitely because he just wants to get funky with them.
That's a really negative way to like at it.the reason could be,you'know that he respects them?yes,he wants to get funky them but if you want to see that as the sole reason he doesn't kick them is your choice,i guess though i don't agree with it
The thing that bothers me the most, is that Sanji has been depicted as a women protector (read: woman's tear calling in PH), and he does it pretty well with randoms like Viola or Tashigi.
but it's not really something that's a aprt of this chapter,and you know what i wanted to keep my discussion to since this is the chapter discussion board,but okay.
I call them randoms, because in comparison to his second family, the Straw Hats, their importance towards Curly-bro should pale to those of Nami and Robin.
i agree that he should care about nami and robin more,but if he only cared about them that'd be somewhat hypocritical of him imo.
So what happened in Lobby? I understand principles are important, but this was your family we are talking about, come up with better solution than getting your ass beat, he should be smarter than that. For me the principle Robin did not sit well. I am biased because Robin is one of my favorite crew member. The fact that he still acts lovey dovey towards her, irks me, because the only thing that comes to mind is: No Sanji, you would have let her die, go repent.
you know,it's fine that people didn't like what happened in Enies Lobby,but i'll bring up some things i think a lot people just forget.firstly,it's not like he looked at Kalifa,and was like nope not gonna kick.if you watch the fight,he tries many times to kick her,even bringing up his leg right next to her,but just couldn't bring himself to do it.also,it's not like it's something he is particularly proud of or something.he very much regrets it when we see him talking to nami.plus,there's also the line he said to Usopp"we do what we can,and the others do the rest"which can be taken as a sign of his turmoil and remorse.it is not necessarily treated as a good thing about him and mostly as a flaw.and well,the SH's are all flawed people anyway,and they all mostly accept that.though i guess it's subjective how much flaws you are willing to tolerate
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RE: Criticizing One Piece
Though i agree that ace wan't really someone we were supposed to feel attached to,(though that was probably intentional),i for one felt his death was impactful,imo even more so than whitebeard.there are many reasons for this,but since i am travelling right now i'll bring up the main reason i can think of right now:consequencea.all through the series,we have had a happy go lucky look at pirates.like,even the baddies who are pirates are at worst put into jail.but with ace,we come to see for the first time what your actions may lead to as a pirate.it also helped that unlike a lot of pirate we have seen,ace did't have a lot of desires and mostly became a pirate because he wouldnt be able to have a normal life anyway.he was sort of the delinquient who became a pirate coz he had no proper place in life,which he then ultmately found
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RE: Chapter 842: The Power of Fullness
Thanks. I try my best to mimic the majority of Oda can do no wrong posters here.
oh,i thought you were mimicing the shitposters who whine and cringe instead of criticising,but it was actually that,but you know you can't tell with art these days,there are such weird meanings to it!
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RE: Chapter 842: The Power of Fullness
@Long:
As i stated in my previous comment that got sidelined on the last page
The tragedy os that after dealing with judge's "love" Sanji after meeting zeff and having a good relationship with him took his advice ( which in most cases would be totally valid ) and is treating it like zoro's promise, in that if he goes against Zeff's words with women, he's either losing zeff's love and respect in his mind or if would cause zeff to consider himself a failure of a parent even though zeff probably wouldnt object to sanji defending himself in these rare cases
Sanji knows that he's screwing up but his loyalty to zeff is literally putting him into an impossible decision where either of his decision ( In his mind) results in the people he cares about being harmed ( Robin or Zeff )
It actually works better than I thought upon looking at it from that perspective. Sanji never knew love as a kid and his foster parent threatens to disown him / off himself if sanji does A, causing him to not do A no matter what. Like the thought of it is crippling him in some of these situations in ways that probably would if judge wasnt such a dick
while i understand your viewpoint and yeah,that's a pretty legitimate thinking of this whole thing,i don't exactly agree with it.
granted,yes he was pretty emotionally fucked up by judge and Zeff accepting him as a child,was pretty powerful for him and in a way,sanji doesn't want to disappoint Zeff.but at the same time,it is also something he believes himself.it is not just Zeff's beliefs that he doesn't want to break at this point,it is his own beliefs and views towards women too.i doubt it's entirely for Zeff that he's willing to go to such lengths.
long-winded character analysis follows:! i mean,think about it,since he was 8,he has been among a group of macho sailor chefs who all can't actually be open with other.in response to that,sanji also somehow became all gruff and macho towards other males.
but as we have seen in the current flashback and even before,Sanji is actually a very emotional and empathetic guy.so,as he slowly changed to reduce his softer side towards men in response to the environment,his attitude towards women also conversely changed to compensate for it.add to that,for a long time sanji didn't actually live much with women,as it is again pointed out there is no female staff at Baratie.So he only interacted with women as customers,and his fascination with them slowly increased.
so,in the end he acts tough with men but softly with women.
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Me three, lol.
It's pretty interesting how everyone approaches this subject. I'm cool with Zeff being that way and I'm cool with Sanji being that way. I'm cool with Oda telling the story the way he wants to tell it. Are there things I would change? Sure, I want Nami and Robin to get into 1on1 fights more often and take more super devastating hits. Would I approve of Zeff not accepting women in his business if it were real life? No, of course not. If a lady wanted to get banged up and prove herself in his kitchen I say let her knock herself out. For the story though I like that there are characters that have such beliefs and I like seeing how those ideals mingle with the main cast.
pretty much.but i would even go any further and say even in the real life,there shouldn't be anything wrong with people having different opinions than you unless they are downright bad,or hurting someone.and the fact is,not hitting a woman is really not something that's bad or negative in any way,nor is it anything totally weird or unheard of.it's cool that people think that's wrong,and are all for uber-gender equality,but it's also cool for people to not necessarily agree with that.gender equality isn't really such a simple "black and white" topic,equality means different things to different people.not ever aspect of treating different gender has to be the same,and nor it probably be.
just curious,what do people think of worshipping women(well,girls) literally?would they consider that sexist?
although,i have to say at this point i'm confused what people are arguing about that's somehow new.
is it that sanji's reason for chivalry isn't anything worthwhile?but you know he has been like this the whole time so i don't know what they expect.it was a part of his character,and it was never implied it was because of a certain trauma or life-changing event or something.
is it because Zeff is a staunch chavunist?the way Zeff and the baratie was presented i really can't understand that people expected something different.it's just what he believes.Putting aside all that dinosour or whatever nonsense Mangastream that is most likely bullshitting on their part,it'd be weird for him to have a specific reason for it other than Zeff believing it as a natural course of things.
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There is nothing wrong with Zeff being the sole source of Sanji's chivalry.
yeah.i'm of the opinion the Zeff having imparted chivalry thing should have been shown in Enies Lobby,but the overall concept of Zeff being the one to teach sanji that isn't anything weird or unexpected.i mean,considering the baratie arc whether or not it was Zeff who first became the reason for sanji's chivalry,sanji's upbringing in the middle of burly manly men with tough attitue and sailory environment in the end had a major impact on sanji growing up,this was just meant to show us the beginning of sanji's kishido.
and there really isn't a need for every sanji's behaviour to be caused by some super-serious event.it's just how sanji is,that's all.it' a part of his character,just like it's part of usopp's character to be afraid,or zoro's character to be loyal self-sacrificial or to behave with complete honor. -
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@Daz:
"I know this is an issue, but is it the BIGGEST issue? No? Then it doesn't matter, and any desire for the issue to be handled is irrelevant until the BIGGER issues are all handled"
Personally, I'm waiting on the pavement on my home road to be fixed, but I dare not raise the topic. I mean, theres bigger evils in the world.
frankly,i don't even see how people not wanting to kick a woman is an issue,instead of thinking it is a smaller issue
and neither do i think that your subjective social opinions have to be addressed in a "shonen pirate manga".
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@Daz:
In the contest of the flashback, there is presented a "reason" for kicking a woman: Disciplinary action,
exactly,and that means the reason does not apply to a fight for your life,a battle with everything on the stake.
you seem to think that i implied that Zeff isn't actually completely chilvalrous,which i wasn't.
i was just talking about heated battle situations,cases where you have to kick women,like with Kalifa,which was what i was talking about in the first place
i didn't at all mean to imply that Zeff could somehow kick strong woman for disciplinary purposes.
also,have you seen how much Zeff kicks Sanji and the others and what a strict and manly-men and sailory atmosphere he keeps in the kitchen?it's not a matter of her fucking up and him having to discipline her,even if they are doing a somewhat decent job he would still kick sanji and the cooks to make them better
of course i could be wrong and zeff could literally mean that sanji should die if he has to fact a female fighter,but i really don't think soJapanese television and manga. Just because you wanna keep DERP CONTINUITY doesn't mean you shouldn't be forced to add foreign influences on modern gender roles to you comic to accommodate what WE think is RIGHT.
Terrible chapter. He should be ashamed.
Exactly.Doesn't he know that the importance his work plays in improving social mentality and and how the traditional gender roles need to be killed desperately?they are only the second biggest evil since ISIL.
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RE: Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread v.2
This one is a dumb one, but I'm using my age to put it somewhere less dumb.
So, Vegapunk discovered "lineage factors"
Law claims that devil fruits work through them
Judge used lineage factors to boost his children's
Momji didn't had a curly eyebrow, and judge's brows haven't been shown.Both vinsmoke kids and devil fruits have spirals.
Is there a connection of beings with altered genes get spirals?
it is very much a possiblity,many(including myself) have thought that this is possible.
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RE: Chapter 842: The Power of Fullness
Battling a woman does equal hitting them, though. It's not my perception, it's what the dialogue says. He doesn't say "Men aren't meant to kick women outside of battle", he says "Men aren't meant to kick women."
Not kicking women could also mean not kicking women without any reason(and the not as strong as men: women, not the highly trained and dangerous women), not the " not kicking women no matter her strength" reading which you seem to imply.and yeah,it is perception because it is your reading of the dialogue.Zeff says he shouldn't kick women,not that he should die rather than kick a woman,which is essentially what a battle situation is.
@SuburbanErrorist:Ahh man you know what it was like in school "you shouldnt hit a girl " when we were Sanjis age.
Let a man have his ideals
apparently you must have gone to a sexism-focused school then:ninja:(along with me,obviously)
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RE: Chapter 842: The Power of Fullness
Zeff was talking in general. That a man shouldn't hit a woman, because it's an "iron-clad rule of the universe". That would include battles.
hitting a woman doesn't equal to fighting a woman.but well,you're free to your own perception but as i and others have said before,i doubt that Zeff was talking about the "kalifa incident".it's more likely sanji continued to develop and expand his chivalrous attitude to the extremes.
And even if he wasn't, either way he's looking down on women
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okay,so not hitting women=looking down on them.
so that makes all the people around me(and most people in general)women included,as looking down on women.
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Normal people: Da #$%^ is dis? One of the four most powerful pirates right hand lost like that? Corny comedy is OK during the match but the climax? This ain't foxy.
Oda's underwear folders: U r so stupidz, can't you tell, that genius writing of Oda, he magnificently made an yonko's right hand look incompetent by abandoning his plan to let Luffy eat till he explodes. While not focusing on getting rid of nami and the homies protecting her by keeping luffy busy with his original plan. Instead contradicts himself by attacking luffy. Cuz Luffy said he couldn't eat anymore. Ha! Fooled him! Look how smart Oda makes a high caliber fighter look! Go watchz bleachz, u always want serious things happening at the right timez. learn da lawz like sanji did since before the dinosaurz!!!what an intelligent and witty post.lol who needs meaningful and constructive criticism when you have has GARBLEDLOLSJUMBLEDsupposedtobesarcasticunreadable mess.truly a true product of modernism
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@Daz:
So Sanji could be a total dickbag to everyone and Zeff would forgive it as long as women were an exception?
that's a really specific reading of that exchange.i really doubt that's what this line imples.well,putting aside mangastream being mangastream and fucking up the dialogue (literally),the way i take it from the shitty translation is that if sanji blunders and makes a mistake,or even just does some bad shit mistakenly,he could be forgiven but if he does some outright evil stuff(which includes beating the hell out of women) or even doing dishonorable shit(which would no doubt be in his definition of being a man),that'd be unacceptable
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@Monkey:
Pretty sure in battle since time immemorial the idea of not fighting female combatants attacking you has been considered dumb. As for sexist well we can identify it further as that since the rationale is exactly that.
except Zeff was not talking about battle situations,he was talking about the normal situations.in the specific context of him being unable to have women in his kitchen because he'd have to kick them.
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RE: Chopper's forms
@Count:
Sunny Megazord. It's gotta happen. General Franky's already a mini-Megazord, and Franky ironically started the Docking Megazord reference gag during the fight against Oars. It would be poetic and beautifully awesome. Not to mention that San Juan Wolf's epithet is "Colossal Battleship", either due to his size or some sort of unknown ability.
! https://s32.postimg.org/e5po79191/Sunny_Shogun.jpg
! This was drawn by a forum user named Roronoa Zacho.That's awesome,great work Zacho!
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Btw, how does Stephen call the homies in the official translation? The same?
yup.it is homies by oda himself
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@Daz:
Yeah, chalk me up as one of the people this didn’t really work for. The conclusion is imaginative and neat, as is Nami helping Luffy, but corners were cut to get there. This is a case where I’d have preferred a “11 hours earlier” flashback to show those corners. Specifically I would have liked to see the moment where the fights dynamic changed; I would like to see Luffy coming to a realization and eating the first soldier and Crackers annoyed surprise. I would have liked to see Nami showing up at a crucial moment and figure out the weakness instead of just characters directly expositing that it happened; show, not tell. A Luffy fight becoming an eating contest is a fun concept, and at least a montage of Luffy gorging himself on increasingly numerous and elaborate biscuit structures would’ve been a novel way of doing fight-escalation. You don’t need to skip straight to the endpoint.
The lack of comparative impact also comes from Crackers character itself being largely forgettable.
The 1-page Chopper/Carrot scene mostly suffers from the same problems: fragmented, and without much time spent developing the mirror world or Brülee, and explain why exactly these two competent fighters have been running like headless chickens for 11 hours straight.
i have to say i agree.i really thought we are gonna get to see when nami got to know about the weakness of Cracker,or when luffy began eating the biscuit soldiers.as it is,it feels we have missed the important changing points of the battle.most importantly,how luffy avoided the after-fatigue of gear fourth.he may have cancelled it,but then again we haven't really seen that happening
@Count:
Then why didn't Oda just say that? Being a "man among men" means a LOT of things because of how vague that is. Oda just made a simple explanation anybody could have guessed needlessly ambigious and exciting to learn about. Look at how vague the North Blue origin hints are in regards to being one of the former heirs to Germa 66, or the really vague hints of Sanji being like a prince.
^this.it doesn't really feel to have that much of an impact,because it's not anything new.the problem isn't that it feels like an asspull,the problem is it is something which should have been shown sooner,rather than later.
And the Zeff part was…not good. As far as “explanations” for Sanjis chivalrousness goes it could’ve been a lot worse, but its still rather cringeworthy. Moreover, it doesn’t seem like the kind of thing that’d render Sanji literally incapable of facing Kalifa in order to save his friend.
while i agree that the Zeff being the one to instill chivalry into him feels like a cop-out,it still doesn't make it completely worthless.Zeff is basically declaring that he is his parent in that scene,and basically telling him he'd be dishonored if he were to go and beat a woman.putting aside till what level Zeff wanted this doctrine to be followed,this was still an important bonding moment for them,and also the imparting of Zeff's ideals to sanji.
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RE: Chapter 841: To the East Blue
You need more haki training :)
that's true
but it's hard to resist when the chapter is gonna come more than 24 hours from now -
RE: Chapter 841: To the East Blue
hey,people who have checked the spoilers,have images started coming?is the chapter going to come today or it's just the spoilers?becasue if it's going to come tomorrow,i'd rather read the spoilers but if it could come in some time,then i would wait
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RE: Criticizing One Piece
The definition of Tokenism isn't having a short supply of a certain type of character. Tokenism is basically an apathetic attempt on part of the creator, to just add something different to a cast. Hancock is basically the most developed out of all the Schichibukai at this point together with Jinbei. If she was a token character, she wouldn't be nearly as wellestablished as she is. I doubt Oda simply threw her in there because some form of estrogen brigade being at his neck.
as i already, said,i'm putting aside tokenism
@sggupta:i'm not completely aware of the term"token female" aside from the direct meaning**,so let's put that aside**
but anyway,i don't really think hancock is anymore fleshed out than any other shichibukai.
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RE: Chapter 841: To the East Blue
great work as always Bellisario.Some things that interest me
@BellisarioFaith:Similarly, VIZ does not explicitly mention a mistress, merely implying it, and there's no suggestion at he may have had one in the past.
i knew it!i mean,it was implicitly implied in the viz but i sort of felt that the word mistress being used was probably MS spicing it up.
- When Reiju talks to Sanji while patching him up, her words seem to imply that their brothers lacking empathy is part of what makes them so perfect to Judge. "The other three are Father's ideal soldiers. They have no emotions like sympathy or pity or sadness. They successfully augmented my body too…but that's one area where I'm different from them." Also, when Sanji tells her he wants to be a cook, she says, "I asked you not to tell me these things!"
"they have no emotions" seems to further deny the idea of the brothers being designed not to feel emotions.
- When Reiju talks to Sanji about why he came back in the present day: "All you had to do was abandon your boss from a restaurant you used to work at, and all of this would have been settled! So why did you come back? Why return to a place…that you never wanted to remember...? Sanji..."
this one i feel is a major change.the dialogue by MS was quite confusing,i thought she was saying you didn't have to be beaten by those guys just coz of Zeff,but here it's clear she is saying he shouldn't have come back in the first place becasue of threats.
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RE: What Anime Are You Watching?
whats even weirder is that "the end of evangelion" seems to throw everything that the show had built up and disregards all of it's messages. it's all most seems like it was made as a "fuck you" for it.
not really.the fuck you imo was the last 2 episodes which completely disregarded the actual plot.i mean,yeah the show mainly is a deconstruction but that doesn't mean you just ignore the basis of the show.i really thought that the movie was a proper conclusion to all the themes and messages of the series before.
! i thought the end of evangelion,while controversial as an ending by many people,followed the themes.generally speaking,i don't know how people expected a cheery and completely happy ending.shinji did change,but in his own way and not just automatically becoming a normal person
! shinji is a very shitty character in it. all the things he seemed to have learned in the last episode of the anime are entirely disregarded. he's even worse here, with him masturbating on asuka's unconscious body and trying to kill her at the end.
! the stuff he does at the beginning is fucked up,and is supposed to represent that he is at his lowest.but i really don't think he was trying to kill her.it's open to interpretations,of course but considering the ending parts and dialogue,this makes zero sense.my take(and there can be many) on it is that when Shinji experienced the singular consciousness or whatever you call it,that there is no happiness in such a thing.he realised that unless there is anyone else,your existence is not real.so he basically realised that unless you are able to feel pain,or loneliness or love,you can't really exist.you need others to validate your existence.
but the only way he could interact with others is through hurting them.so,after coming to a real world from a place where you can't hurt others or be hurt(and conversely,can't accept or love others or be loved),so he hurts her to feel real again.
tl;dr i wrote some not that great analysis but he most probably wasn't trying to kill her.currently,i am watching katanagatari and am around halfway through.it's good,but personally isn't as good as i was hoping.
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RE: Criticizing One Piece
There is where you're wrong. Isn't just that there were less females in pirates and marines, they were almost non existent. Specially in important positions. Did you know that only since 1901 did women officially served in the military in the US?
Like I said in a previous post, there is no known female pirate captain in real life at all! And the first female Admiral in the United States got that position only in 2014(Here: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Michelle-Howard). Do you get that, 2014! Just 2 years from the present.
Removing them wouldn't make it so much different from reality than the percentage you have of them in One Piece. It can even be argued that One Piece percentage is in fact way bigger than the seen in reality.so you are saying there should be a direct parallel or equality between one piece and the real world of pirates/military?when there is very little aspects where the world of one piece has actually has that?i don't think so.
btw,nice link on the admiral.was interesting.Are you saying that the Shichibukais aren't varied enough? And the Yonkou? You're talking of 2 of the most varied groups in the series and saying they should have more than 1 women to help in variety. Variety is not just the sex of the character.
true,it's not just the sex but that is a factor.at the most,the shichibukai are basically all strong male pirates who fight out of ambition,or a need for them to do so,or out of evil intentions(i'm mainly considering the original line-up,not the new one
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RE: 758: ''The King of the Day - Duke Inuarashi Appears!''
was a nice episode.the starting part felt stretched out,but the second half had better pacing.
also the anime is really cementing the idea of pleasures as masochists