@Outerspec:
There's a difference between championing ideas for equality/inclusion and completely disregarding an entire group. One is progressive and the other is indeed lazy. Problem is, no one here was talking about disregarding an entire side or group of people until you came along. Where did you get this idea of disregarding an entire group anyway? Because it's impossible. We know they're there. We know much of the makeup of Trump supporters which is exactly why they've been called out so many times. The exact opposite of "disregard".
maybe i used the wrong word.yeah,probably disregard is wrong here.well,the correct word would be ,i don't know,grouping them?labelling them?
the point i'm trying to say just outright deriding them is maybe not that productive,to anyone invloved
Now, you can argue that the argument against Trump supporters is lazy, with all the name calling and personal attacks, which is what I see you're trying to do here but the fact of the matter is that's only part of the argument. What you're doing here is taking the conclusions that are formulated about Trump supporters and ignoring the preface. Hey, that's lazy. Look further.
Have you wondered why anyone h
far from wondering,i would myself say al large number of trump's base as all the things you say.but,not all of them.and i am nor personally accusing you or anyone else of generalisations,i am saying that a lot of people on the democratic side did so this,and the result was not good
And if you want to talk about intelligent arguments and debating policy…ummm...been there and still doing that. Both sides have been doing that the entire election cycle. Donald Trump wants to deport 11 million people, build a wall which another country will apparently completely pay for, block Muslims from entering the U.S., impose tarrifs on trade deals, give bigger tax breaks to the rich, and roll back as much of what Obama did in 8 years as he can. I can't emphasize how much people have gone over how terrible a lot of these plans are. Just from a numbers point of view economists have clearly stated that Donald's plans would balloon the national debt far greater than amything Hillary could have done. Just from a numbers point of view deporting 11 million people is impossible!!! Just from a numbers point of view the wall will be too expensi....oh, wait, nvm Mexico got that. Just from a numbers point of view losing the ACA will mean millions of people losing health insurance.
true,many people did intelligent arguments.but maybe more need to.
That's all looking at it by the numbers and ignoring the human and social impact. Intelligent conversations have been had. They were all ignored not because we called them names. It's because they didn't believe it or give a fuck.
again,that just showcase that there has to be something more done.maybe it's just reaching out to them.i don't know
Great, so you do understand. A little melodramatic but, sure, close enough.
it may sound melodramatic,but i don't think so.ignorance is in the end what will most probably be the end of the human civilisation.and i think the most revulsing thing i can find in this election cycle is ignorance.it's not that people are racist and sexist,it's that some people even lie to themsleves and others,and maybe even just be ignorant that trump's campaign is racist and sexist
What does 12 women accusing Donald Trump of assault have to do with Hilary losing the election? You kniw why they came out at around the same time?
i'm not saying that them accusing trump has anything directly to do with Trump winning.but it is just one of the examples of the dirty,negative campaign both of them run.and hey,maybe if you do negative and campaigning,those filled with fear and hate will win
Because, ignoring that some of those allegations had already been around for years, it was Donald Trump who brought up as an issue sexual misconduct when he brought up Hillary's husband's past. So these women felt it was very hypocritical for him to bring up alleged crimes when he had his own similar closet of skeletons, and when one speaks up it encourages and gives courage to other accusers.
i think the time to bring up your allegations should have been when you are assaulted.keeping silent only encourages the party to continue.
granted,a sexual assault isn't so simple and it isn't easy to speak up,especially when the other party is rich and overall nasty.
but then maybe the time to bring up allegation should have been when that assaulter starts to run for President.
or hey,maybe when he becomes the nominee of the Republicans.
and look,let's be real here.it's not necessary that all those allegations are true,and these women sure as hell didn't decide to themselves come together.them coming together was the machination of the DNC and Hillary campaign.i'm not saying that makes it wrong,but i does show that maybe this sort of campaigning,which as i know is a regular feature of recent Elections,needs to stop or tone down.
I'm not a fan of the blame game either. As far as I'm concerned the Republicans outvoted the Democrats and that's what happened. We lost. At the same time though we can't ignore the makeup of voters of the Republican party in this election. In fact, for many years from this point on people will be analysing the makeup of voters in both parties trying to figure out who exactly made this election happen…just like they do every single election.
But blaming ISIS as the main pepetrator!? C'mon man.
i will reiterate what i said:this Election is a failure for anyone,in some form or another.but at the end of the day,i am not directly affected by this,you guys are.so any acceptance or rejection of that will come from you.in the end you are in this mess,and you have to think the cause and remedy,whatever that may be.
and you know, as far as i'm concerned maybe evrything bad should be put on ISIS.:ninja:
but on a serious note,you don't think the rise of radicalisation and fundamentalism and jihad had nything to why the campaign which had evangelicals and fundamentalist republicans won?