@Monkey:
Well he sure as hell didn't go to Yemen lollllllllll
Costa Nostra means "our thing". Be kinda strange.
naghs e rostam is in iran it i can tell you what they are if you want
there is nearly nowhere resemble iran mabye closet was alabasta
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@Monkey:
He doesn't know how to read English on any non-slogan level last I checked. Japan isn't Sweden or something, they don't have widespread English fluency alongside their native language.
interesting, ididn't know he does read english at all, it means people are looking for him oterwhise how would he found about Thomas Hancock and his link to rubber
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interesting, ididn't know he does read english at all, it means people are looking for him oterwhise how would he found about Thomas Hancock and his link to rubber
Just like how the one piece anime/manga is translated for us into english Japan gets stuff translated from english to japanese you don't need to speak english to read books that were written in english.
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interesting, ididn't know he does read english at all, it means people are looking for him oterwhise how would he found about Thomas Hancock and his link to rubber
There is something in this world that goes by the name of translated books.
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@le:
There is something in this world that goes by the name of translated books.
there is something called irony if you have red the chitchat before ;) so of course I know that, but it means he could have found himself the references about boadica even if he does speak english / I was ironical but thank you to proof me right :)
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interesting, ididn't know he does read english at all, it means people are looking for him oterwhise how would he found about Thomas Hancock and his link to rubber
….he could read about them in Japanese.
the references about boadica even if he does speak english
You say this like Boudica herself spoke English and existed in times alongside people who spoke English and interacted with her.
But English didn't exist yet, not even Old English. Boudica would have spoken some old extinct Celtic language related to modern Welsh or something. And the people fighting her and recording her story would be the Romans, speaking and writing Latin.So honestly it makes nearly as much sense to read about her in Japanese as English.
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@Monkey:
….he could read about them in Japanese.
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16 chapters of indeed! ;)
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oh im gonna say it now in naghs e rostam that person that is kneeling is Roman empror and person on horse is one of iranian kings at sassani age i forgot the detail ages ago
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oh im gonna say it now in naghs e rostam that person that is kneeling is Roman empror and person on horse is one of iranian kings at sassani age i forgot the detail ages ago
those houselike in walls are graves of kingsI know a couple times high profile Romans fucked up and got captured by the Persians yeah. At least one high level general, and one emperor (Valerian).
The general was Crassus I think. Which is a hilariously sad story.
He was high ranked but kept being cheated out of major victories by bad luck. Then the situation at the very end of the Roman Republic formulated with Caesar, Pompey and him being the big three generals throwing their weight around.
And mostly it was the other two being super famous, like Pompey pioneered Roman rule in the Levant and Anatolia, and Caesar conquered Gaul.
And Crassus was like "UM HEY MAN I"M GONNA CONQUER SOMETHING BIG TOOOOO GUYSS".
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thats partians(ashkani) time they ruled iran for about 400 years then sassanis(persians) took the throne
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The way the Romans spread east is actually kind of funny.
Like in the west? Yeah they basically straight up conquered stuff like you'd think. Attacking the Celtic tribes and whatever else was living in those areas. But when it came to the Greeks, Anatolians and Levant?
The Romans were the big strong one so the local leaders regarded them like WORLD POLICE or something. The Romans kept coming in to end the local fights, and eventually they started getting frustrated and sticking around and eventually it became part of the empire. Especially the friggin' Greeks who were just constantly having wars among eachother. The Romans kept trying to leave but they kept getting involved again and again. -
I noticed the Mon of the Kozuki Clan looks rather similar to the real-life Mori Clan's*. Take a look:
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[http://www.diffworlds.com/samurai/images/Crests/Mori Mon.gif](http://www.diffworlds.com/samurai/images/Crests/Mori Mon.gif)
*= The clan who served the Oda and Toyotomi, not the ones from Chugoku
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I found the pavilion and the rope bridge of the Kano Country might actually the "Shibaozhai"(石宝寨 in chinese,literally: "Precious Stone Fortress",more can be found in WIKI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibaozhai) in Chongqing, China.
The main building of "Shibaozhai" is a 12-story red pavilion, which was built on a large rock call "Shibao"(石宝,Precious Stone) in the Yangtze River. And there's a bridge connects the "Shibao" Rock to the riverside land. The pavilion and the bridge might be the original inspiration for the building of the Kano country.
More interesting, the pronunciation in mandarion of "石宝"(Shibao) is just the same of "十宝" from "十宝海军"(Juppo Navy) which was Chinjao's political purpose of Sai's marriage mentioned in Chapter 771.
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Kaidou sort of resembles a Chinese mythology character, but I can't exactly pinpoint which. Did some random googling and a Genghis Khan picture appeared.
! Picture of fanarty Genghis Khan the guy used
But, did some further googling (1st image in Google Images lol) and found an arguably more accurate depiction!
So I am not exactly convinced.
Continuing my random searching, I think its probably safe to assume that he is based on the following god from Chinese mythology:
龙王 （Dragon King)!
Rules primary moving bodies of water, has the ability to shapeshift into a human form. Usually depicted as arguably dragon-human hybrid form. Kaido dragon fruit theory anyone?
Chinese dragons are all scaly, which perhaps explains his scale tattoos. They hold a high place in Chinese mythology, almost always depicted as extremely powerful. Fits his strongest creature title.
King of the Ocean. Can sort of be twisted to say it resembles his Yonkou title.
The Dragon King's court consists of an assortment of various sea creatures. Uh, all-Zoan crew stuff along with the SMILES?
Also able to call upon storms and manipulate the weather.
And lives in a funky undersea palace, but I don't think it applies here.I also thought of 阎罗王 (Yama), technically the King of Hell and also 玉皇大帝 （Jade Emperor) but I think the Dragon King one is more plausible. Where do you guys think Oda got his Kaido inspiration?
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@le:
Kaidou sort of resembles a Chinese mythology character, but I can't exactly pinpoint which. Did some random googling and a Genghis Khan picture appeared.
! Picture of fanarty Genghis Khan the guy used
[qimg]http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141019234657/assassinscreed/images/a/a4/ACM_Genghis_Khan_2.PNG[/qimg]
But, did some further googling (1st image in Google Images lol) and found an arguably more accurate depiction! [qimg]https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/default/files/styles/article-inline-half/public/blogs/82191/2013/02/118607-116590.jpg?itok=RCwRF_3y[/qimg]
So I am not exactly convinced.
Continuing my random searching, I think its probably safe to assume that he is based on the following god from Chinese mythology:
龙王 （Dragon King)! [qimg]http://a1.att.hudong.com/52/17/01300000162721121277177207358_s.jpg[/qimg]
Rules primary moving bodies of water, has the ability to shapeshift into a human form. Usually depicted as arguably dragon-human hybrid form. Kaido dragon fruit theory anyone?
Chinese dragons are all scaly, which perhaps explains his scale tattoos. They hold a high place in Chinese mythology, almost always depicted as extremely powerful. Fits his strongest creature title.
King of the Ocean. Can sort of be twisted to say it resembles his Yonkou title.
The Dragon King's court consists of an assortment of various sea creatures. Uh, all-Zoan crew stuff along with the SMILES?
Also able to call upon storms and manipulate the weather.
And lives in a funky undersea palace, but I don't think it applies here.I also thought of 阎罗王 (Yama), technically the King of Hell and also 玉皇大帝 （Jade Emperor) but I think the Dragon King one is more plausible. Where do you guys think Oda got his Kaido inspiration?
I don't think we can say for certain yet, not until we see more of Kaido himself.
Most of the similarities you've attributed are characteristics of oriental dragons in general. There doesn't seem to be anything linking him specifically to Dragon King.Furthermore, I personally think that if Kaido were to be based off any mythological figure, he'd very likely be based off something Japanese considering his theme.
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Kaido is pretty much based on an Oni (japanese demon) to the point some fans speculate he'll have a mythical Zoan Oni model, plus some dragon features (that show he'll actually have a dragon Zoan, which is almost certain).
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@Bond:
I don't think we can say for certain yet, not until we see more of Kaido himself.
Most of the similarities you've attributed are characteristics of oriental dragons in general. There doesn't seem to be anything linking him specifically to Dragon King.Furthermore, I personally think that if Kaido were to be based off any mythological figure, he'd very likely be based off something Japanese considering his theme.
The main reason why I think he is based on Dragon King is because of the dragon-human hybrid thing, and also his zoan crew. That counts I guess. Also mainly because of the rather popular Dragon Devil Fruit theory, which obviously haven't been confirmed.
Dragons are very popular in Eastern mythology, so a Japanese dragon maybe. Or perhaps an Oni like what the post above stated.
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Dragon Caesar/Dragonzord?
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Does this remind anyone else of Bobbin?
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This is the clock face from the It's a Small World attraction at Disneyland.
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Does this remind anyone else of Bobbin?
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This is the clock face from the It's a Small World attraction at Disneyland.
Not even one little bit? Are we talking about the same character here? This guy?
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Might be the vaguest connection posted here in a long time.
It's not even bobbing in Small World, it's swiveling.Yeahhh, you're right. Not sure how I made that connection.
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Knight with a lance riding an ostrich? Obviously Joust
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Knight with a lance riding an ostrich? Obviously Joust
http://i.imgur.com/lwxhuO2.jpgThough the knight in question appears to have the obvious inspiration of Puss n' Boots.
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@Monkey:
Though the knight in question appears to have the obvious inspiration of Puss n' Boots.
Puss on boots jousting. Oda pulling crossovers out of crazy places.
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Also I swear this is based on a character from boomerang...or whatever ot was known as back in the day...It's the jolly / volatile policeman from 827
Chapter 437 Discussion after franky decides to join the Strawhats:
So who think Usopp is inside that duffelbag?
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associations for Totland:
- Germa …n ?
- Totland ... Country of the Dead ("tot" = "dead" in German) or Country of the Teutones from which the name "Teutschland"/Deutschland (= Germany) comes from
- the Houses you can eat like in Hansel & Gretel
- Nami in Bavarian style
- Big Mom ... is there some inspiration from the latest politics where Big "Mama" M. is behaving as if she were ruling all of Europe?
- "The land of everyone's dreams" ... or at least of millions of people currently trying to get there?
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I doubt that Oda lets his story be driven by contemporary political situations like that. He may make use of such issues like racism or Cold War standoffs, but I don't recall Oda ever having dedicated an arc to a real-life situation.
Could be that I'm wrong, but I can't recall any. And in general I think that a few references to German words shouldn't lead one to see comparisons such as Big Mom to Merkel, although I understand that you're just making a few associations.
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associations for Totland:
- Totland … Country of the Dead ("tot" = "dead" in German) or Country of the Teutones from which the name "Teutschland"/Deutschland (= Germany) comes from
The dead one is more likely, the Teuton thing though no.
- the Houses you can eat like in Hansel & Gretel
The indication here is that while maybe basing stuff off Germany (we'll see how extensively), Oda is doing that for German associations with fairy tales and not so much because of Germany/Austria themselves.
So while that explains little style choices like this?
- Nami in Bavarian style
It means this is very unlikely. Also you're ascribing a very European point of view to a guy from Japan. Even in the US people don't really think of Merkel one way or the other, the anger at her as dominating the continent through the EU just doesn't register in non-European minds. Even if Oda was really well informed on European politics he wouldn't be putting that joke in the series given his audience of people who don't know or care about EU disfunction.
- Big Mom … is there some inspiration from the latest politics where Big "Mama" M. is behaving as if she were ruling all of Europe?
- "The land of everyone's dreams" … or at least of millions of people currently trying to get there?
If Oda is going to base a country off a popular immigrant destination that has a history of people overhyping it up as being a utopia where the streets are paved with gold. That country is not going to be Germany.
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If Oda is going to base a country off a popular immigrant destination that has a history of people overhyping it up as being a utopia where the streets are paved with gold. That country is not going to be Germany.
As a European, when I think of "popular immigrant destination that has a history of people overhyping it", the first thing to come to mind is the US, historically being known as the New World and the exciting frontier that was civilising the wild west. Then comes to mind Canada, which was frequently seen as a promised land by more marginalised peoples in the US who could not find a place there (prime example: slaves). Although in the case of Canada I'm not sure to what extent it really was overhyped or not, and to which peoples exactly.
Anyways, I wanted to ask: what country or destination would strike a Japanese audience as a promised land in real world history, you think? About the same ideas, or would they have a very different place in mind?
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As a European, when I think of "popular immigrant destination that has a history of people overhyping it", the first thing to come to mind is the US,
Yes that is exactly what I was suggesting.
historically being known as the New World
Not quite, no.
The "New World" (irl) refers to the entirety of the Americas. Not just the US.Then comes to mind Canada, which was frequently seen as a promised land by more marginalised peoples in the US who could not find a place there (prime example: slaves). Although in the case of Canada I'm not sure to what extent it really was overhyped or not, and to which peoples exactly.
Canada shares the immigrant New World thing with the US, but the US is more famous for it.
Anyways, I wanted to ask: what country or destination would strike a Japanese audience as a promised land in real world history, you think? About the same ideas, or would they have a very different place in mind?
Japan. lol
I'm essentially serious there. Japan doesn't really have a history of mass immigration anywhere in particular in the same way various European groups did.
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Big Mom reminds me of the Queen of Hearts from Alice in Wonderland, especially the animated Disney movie's version. Big, pudgy leaders with an anger problem. A lot of the faces on the stuff she makes alive is reminiscent of that style too.
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So far Totland seems to be a massive combination between various European (especially German) folk tales. It's very exciting, for once I feel like I can actually catch some of the references.
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Number of bigmoms husband. And children. Reminds me of iranian ghajar kings having tens of wifes and 100 children one of them had 100 wifes and more than 200 children
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Number of bigmoms husband. And children. Reminds me of iranian ghajar kings having tens of wifes and 100 children one of them had 100 wifes and more than 200 children
Iran lost half of its size during ghajar
ghajar ended after ww1Lots of monarchs have had huge broods though.
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Are there any theories about who/where Kozuki Oden is inspired from?
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Are there any theories about who/where Kozuki Oden is inspired from?
Why there would be any theory about the inspiration about a character that was never seen?
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Are there any theories about who/where Kozuki Oden is inspired from?
No one actually fought for true openness in the Bakumatsu.
The shogunate side was being concilliatory to opening to foreign influence out of fear mostly.
And the revolutionaries were partly pissed at them because of that, but eventually adopted foreign influences for entirely practical purposes and modernized Japan after they won.But no side was like "Japan needs to join the world! It's good to be open!".
Kozuki Oden so far sounds like Oda introducing a more modern progressive figure into a Japanese historical conundrum. One that didn't exist in the real life equivalent.
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Well I ask because I randomly saw the book turned mini series Shogun by James Clavell while "One Piece researching" something else. There is someone who is boiled alive(I don't think that character is the sole inspiration) and the story may share parallels with the Wano arc. Not sure if Oda would have read the book or watched the mini series, which has Toshiro Mifune if that means anything, but seems to be a well respected book belonging to the Asian Saga series.
*I checked to see if someone else made a possible connection 1st which they did on another forum through Google. May be here but didn't see it.
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Well I ask because I randomly saw the book turned mini series Shogun by James Clavell while "One Piece researching" something else. There is someone who is boiled alive(I don't think that character is the sole inspiration) and the story may share parallels with the Wano arc.
That book/series is based on the wrong end of the Tokugawa Shogunate to be looking at. It's based on the founding of that dynasty around 1600.
The sort of conflict/plot Oda is clearly basing the Wano story around is 250 years later. The Bakumatsu.BASICALLY: Your book is about the founding of the Tokugawa Shogunate. Wano is almost definitely based on the end of Tokugawa Shogunate.
Not sure if Oda would have read the book or watched the mini series, which has Toshiro Mifune if that means anything, but seems to be a well respected book belonging to the Asian Saga series.
Probably he would. The guy who got boiled alive is Iskihawa Goemon no? Who is a famous semi-legendary figure in Japan, you see lots of references on him and his name.
But he was a thief. Sort of a trickster like Robin Hood archetype.
Oden is a daimyo. A noble whose son shows all the hallmarks of being raised in a noble environment. So really there's no way Oden is based on Goemon aside from method of execution.Thumbs up on that response. Very clear.
If you aren't clear on why Wano seems strongly to be based on the Bakumatsu it's simple.
Wano
Real Japan-Wano has an antagonist Shogun.
-The Bakumatsu was revolutionary forces overthrowing the shogun (claiming to be putting the emperor in charge again…though not really).-The Wano plot's heroes are interested in opening up the country.
-The Bakumatsu was based around the chaos of Japan being forced to realize they could no longer be isolationist. Ending with the revolutionaries opening Japan up to foreign influences and world economy and all that.-In Wano the current crisis is largely because an aggressive foreign power has forced the country into it's current state of things. Kaidou and his pirates.
-The chaos that forced Japan to consider opening up was caused because an aggressive American force of ships forcing the Shogunate to open up.-The look and feel of the cliches in question for Wano seem heavily based on Ukiyo painting art.
-Which is from the Edo Period, the period where the Tokugawa Shoguns ruled.-We are meeting Wano at the moment where it will be opening and joining the world. A very important moment in Wanoese history to be sure.
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Wow. I liked the 1st response but this one is better. Very thorough and made it clearer…or is it more clear?I recall glancing at these conversations but didn't really digest it. Hmmm...I'll ponder on that tidbit of information. Thanks.
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Can people stop calling it "wano" though?
Wa no Kuni
Country of Wa
Wa's CountryThe "no" basically means "of". It isn't part of the country's name.
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Can people stop calling it "wano" though?
Wa no Kuni
Country of Wa
Wa's CountryThe "no" basically means "of". It isn't part of the country's name.
Lol just yesterday I was thinking of the name and I had a "wait…" moment wondering about this. Then I kinda thought "well everyone's been calling it Wano since the dawn of times so I guess it's not the case". But is it, then?
Even if it is true, Wano has become so established that it might be weird to switch. Nefeltari was one thing, now this too? Oh well, everyone has different ways of spelling names anyways. I still don't know what Jinbei's one true spelling is, if there is one.
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Can people stop calling it "wano" though?
Wa no Kuni
Country of Wa
Wa's CountryThe "no" basically means "of". It isn't part of the country's name.
"Wa no Kuni" is the oldest recorded name for Japan.
From what I understand, the comic's "Wano" is written as "Wano Kuni", as a pun on the former.
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"Wa no Kuni" is the oldest recorded name for Japan.
From what I understand, the comic's "Wano" is written as "Wano Kuni", as a pun on the former.
Correct.
The "no" of Wano is the katakana "ノ," not hiragana "の" which denotes possession.
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Japan sure loves their word puns.
I still don't know what Jinbei's one true spelling is, if there is one.
The correct spelling for the name is "Jinbe". The "i" at the end of the name is optional. His localized name is spelled "Jimbei" because the pronunciation of the n sounds like an m to some people.
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Can people stop calling it "wano" though?
Wa no Kuni
Country of Wa
Wa's CountryThe "no" basically means "of". It isn't part of the country's name.
Should we call Wa as if we were Waluigi?
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There are no spaces between words in the japanese manga. Not between Wa and No, but not between No and Kuni either. Besides I don't think that using "ノ" is a pun at all. I might be wrong though. "ノ" is used for many countries in the manga. (note that kuni can be written 国 or クニ )
ワノ国 : country of wa (wanokuni)
花ノ国 : country of flower (kanokuni)
シノクニ : country of death (shinokuni)
ニノ国 : second country :ninja: (ninokuni)You don't say Flowerno country or Deathno country. You shouldn't say Wano country either.
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I might be wrong though.
You are.
Katakana is used for loanwords. Shinokuni isn't a country, it's a weapon who's name is a pun. Wano/Kano country has the "no" as katakana indicating it's part of the word itself and not a denotation of possession.
What you're doing is trying to break up a proper noun into pieces. Like taking "England" and trying to say it's only suppose to be called "Eng."
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What you're doing is trying to break up a proper noun into pieces. Like taking "England" and trying to say it's only suppose to be called "Eng."
Then we should use Wanokuni instead of Wano country, it makes no sense to translate "kuni" while not doing the same for "no"
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You are.
Katakana is used for loanwords. Shinokuni isn't a country, it's a weapon who's name is a pun. Wano/Kano country has the "no" as katakana indicating it's part of the word itself and not a denotation of possession.
What you're doing is trying to break up a proper noun into pieces. Like taking "England" and trying to say it's only suppose to be called "Eng."
Nope.
Ramistar is right.
Wa no kuni can be translated as "Country of Wa" or "Land of Wa". Translating it as "Wano country" is simply wrong.
The "no" in Wa no Kuni is just the possessive "no". There is no real difference in the usage of the katakana or the hiragana "no". The only difference is that the katakana "no" has a more ancient/historical vibe to it than the hiragana "no". This because katakana until WWII (if i remember correctly) was used instead of hiragana.
It is just normal to see a lot of "japanese-like" word using katakana even today. It is actually used in many japanese name like this, in which it is mixed with kanji. Katakana for loan words has been being used only since the end of WWII.Therefore, Wanokuni should be correctly translated as "land of wa". Wa, if i remember correctly, is also written in kanji a few time during the manga.
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