Oda's INSPIRATION for One Piece

[Ukimix]

Passion, love, jealousy, and lovers stabbed to death (because of jealousy), gypsy dancers, bullfighting … all of it can be found in Bisset's Opera Carmen. Here a summary of the final act from wiki:

Act 4
A square in Seville. At the back, the walls of an ancient amphitheatre (like the colliseum for bullfigthing).
Zuniga, Frasquita and Mercédès are among the crowd awaiting the arrival of the bullfighters ("Les voici ! Voici la quadrille !"). Escamillo enters with Carmen, and they express their mutual love ("Si tu m'aimes, Carmen"). As Escamillo goes into the arena Frasquita warns Carmen that José (Carmen former lover) is nearby, but Carmen is unafraid and willing to speak to him. Alone, she is confronted by the desperate José ("C'est toi ! C'est moi !"). While he pleads vainly for her to return to him, cheers are heard from the arena. As José makes his last entreaty, Carmen contemptuously throws down the ring he gave her and attempts to enter the arena. He then stabs her, and as Escamillo is acclaimed by the crowds, Carmen dies. José kneels and sings "Ah! Carmen! ma Carmen adorée!"; as the crowd exits the arena, José confesses to killing the woman he loved.

In Carmen by Prosper Merimee, the previous novel that influenced Bisset, Carmen is a thief, and a lier who pushes Merimee to a live of crime (Merimee told the storie as if it happened to him).

If you change: men-stab-women-because-of-jealousy, per women-stab-men-because-of-jealousy… it's pretty much a reference for Violet and Sanji

[Monkey King]

@Ukimix:

Passion, love, jealousy, and lovers stabbed to death (because of jealousy), gypsy dancers, bullfighting … all of it can be found in Bisset's Opera Carmen. Here a summary of the final act from wiki:

In Carmen by Prosper Merimee, the previous novel that influenced Bisset, Carmen is a thief, and a lier who pushes Merimee to a live of crime (Merimee told the storie as if it happened to him).

If you change: men-stab-women-because-of-jealousy, per women-stab-men-because-of-jealousy… it's pretty much a reference for Violet and Sanji

Let me fix that.
Passion, love, jealousy, and lovers stabbed to death (because of jealousy), gypsy flamenco dancers, bullfighting roman gladiatorial colosseums, pinnochio esque livings toys, spartans, dudes named "Hera", dogs named "Mario".

Nothing to do with Carmen.
Everything to do with where Carmen is set. Welcome to Oda's loveletter to medditerranean Europe. Whose women are fierce and passionate, trust me on this lol.
See just how many Iberian, southern French, Italian and Greek cliches and designs come pouring in. That's what Dressrosa is about Charlie Brown.

[Ukimix]

@Monkey:

Let me fix that.
Passion, love, jealousy, and lovers stabbed to death (because of jealousy), gypsy flamenco dancers, bullfighting roman gladiatorial colosseums, pinnochio esque livings toys, spartans, dudes named "Hera", dogs named "Mario".

Nothing to do with Carmen.
Everything to do with where Carmen is set. Welcome to Oda's loveletter to medditerranean Europe. Whose women are fierce and passionate, trust me on this lol.
See just how many Iberian, southern French, Italian and Greek cliches and designs come pouring in. That's what Dressrosa is about Charlie Brown.

sorry, I can't trust you jack! The quote is from wikia. Here a description of the final act by an authorized site about classic music: http://classicalmusic.about.com/od/opera/qt/carmensynopsis.htm

The Story of Carmen, Act IV
During the procession of the toreadors, Carmen and Escamillo are seen arriving together. Mercedes and Frasquita warn Carmen that Don Jose is lurking around the crowd plotting to kill her. She tells them that she will speak to him to resolve the matter once and for all. While Escamillo enters the bullfighting ring, a desperate Don Jose meets Carmen outside the arena. He tells her she must commit her love and fidelity to him. She explains that she no longer loves him and throws the ring he gave her on the ground. Now completely mad, Don Jose stabs Carmen in the heart with a dagger. She dies simultaneously with Escamillo's bullfighting victory. When the arena empties, Don Jose confesses his crime to the crowd.

And here a vid of the final act, starred by Placido Domingo

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So, all these sites are wrong, and it is gladiators and not bullfigthing?

Necesito más evidencias querido, porque las referencias son muchas ;-)

[Monkey King]

@Ukimix:

sorry, I can't trust you jack! The quote is from wikia. Here a description of the final act by an authorized site about classic music:

I don't care about Carmen lol, I'm talking about One Piece. Which is what we're talking about in terms of inspiration.

What parts of Carmen have to do with the toys? The roman/ancient greek looking outfits on the gladiators….the fact that there's gladiators in the first place? The Roman arena? Where on earth are you getting bullfighting from? It's inarguably Greco-Roman gladiator fighting. All that is on Dressrosa?
And the genders are reversed on the story, it's a joke and cliche that women from that part of Europe are the kind who will cut their man if he crosses them. That's where that joke is coming from. Rather than a story where...a woman is stabbed by a man lol.

Your drawing the comparisons to One Piece, that aren't there.
Violet is clearly dancing flamenco. And there is no bullfighting but Roman gladiators instead.

[Ukimix]

@Monkey:

I don't care about Carmen lol, I'm talking about One Piece. Which is what we're talking about in terms of inspiration.

What parts of Carmen have to do with the toys? The roman/ancient greek looking outfits on the gladiators….the fact that there's gladiators in the first place? The Roman arena? Where on earth are you getting bullfighting from? It's inarguably Greco-Roman gladiator fighting. All that is on Dressrosa?
And the genders are reversed on the story, it's a joke and cliche that women from that part of Europe are the kind who will cut their man if he crosses them. That's where that joke is coming from. Rather than a story where...a woman is stabbed by a man lol.

Well, since the topic is inspiration, and if we talk about inspiration it's important to state a relatinoship between One Piece and something else. So I state a relationship between OP and Carmen by Bizet. So, I don't care about your post if you don't care about what I'm talking about, only that you tried to correct me with out the proper knowledge (lol). If in Carmen it's toreadors and in Carmen it's gladiators, then the inspiration topic simple could work, because many more elements are common elements. Not that a mathemathical probe is required for a topic like that.

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In the end it would have been better if you don't correct my post but if you simply develop it in a different line. Inspiration is not a topic in which you can draw a sharp line.

[Monkey King]

@Ukimix:

Well, since the topic is inspiration, and if we talk about inspiration it's important to state a relatinoship between One Piece and something else.

No, it's about pointing out where Oda may have got inspiration. Not trying to find whatever you can in One Piece to connect to whatever you want.
If the topic here is Dressrosa and it's plot elements? A flamenco dancer with the stereotypes of a mediterranean woman getting involved with Sanji? Set against the backdrop Oda is putting it? The conclusion is Dressrosa is Oda doing the ultimate mediterranean island, not unlike Alabasta was his Arabia island. Sure Water7 had the Venice thing going on, but that was all it had. Oda's going full tilt on this one.

You've made an extremely tenuous connection to Carmen, partly based on things you had wrong such as the gypsy dancing and definitely the bullfighting. I mean you can't even argue the last one anymore.

So, I don't care about your post if you don't care about what I'm talking about,

Whatever, just so long as no one else reading your post gets misinformed about stuff. Since a thread like this is mostly used by people wanting to see cool homages and cultural influences that go on behind the scenes. Best to weed out the bad posts from it, if only by refuting them.

only that you tried to correct me with out the proper knowledge (lol).

Your proper knowledge of Carmen is really pretty irrelevant next to your clear lack of knowledge about the Medd. area. Or the three One Piece chapters we have here so far lol.
Though it hardly takes an expert to recognize all the Roman and Greek designs Oda pushed out this chapter. Or flamenco dancers. Or the general architecture and clothing we've seen. Or anyone whose known any female cliches of the area. I think even TVTropes can get someone by in this debate lol, hardly tough, yet struggling you are.

If in Carmen it's toreadors and in Carmen it's gladiators,

Alright maybe you aren't an expert on Carmen because there damn sure aren't any gladiators in it lol. Last time I checked it didn't take place in 400 AD.

then the inspiration topic simple could work, because many more elements are common elements.

Well yeah, Carmen is in Seville. Which is in Spain. Which is a Mediterranean country. Exhibiting Mediterranean attributes. Such as Dressrosa does.
See how you have it backwards?

Not that a mathemathical probe is required for a topic like that.

Not much math involved in calling a spade a spade.

In the end it would have been better if you don't correct my post but if you simply develop it in a different line. Inspiration is not a topic in which you can draw a sharp line.

Well except when your argument makes no sense, and the fact that there's zero arguing that Dressrosa is Mediterranean influenced.
I dunno, maybe you want to offer up an argument that it's influenced by Nigeria? Be my guest.

[Ukimix]

@Monkey:

No, it's about pointing out where Oda may have got inspiration. Not trying to find whatever you can in One Piece to connect to whatever you want.
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with this line, I see you do can say what ever you want about what members says… That was enough to me. thanks

[Monkey King]

@Ukimix:

with this line, I see you do can say what ever you want about what members says… That was enough to me. thanks

It's almost like this is a message board where people discuss things, rather than a blog where people post comments on their own.

Anyone wanting the soundtrack to this page, here ya go.

[Sleepwalker]

The one legged toy soldier could be based off the steadfast tin soldier, a fairy tale about a one legged soldier wanting to find his love again.

[MasterKingJC]

I mentioned this in the chapter discussion thread, but the phrase on Ch 703's color spread is a reference to Message in a Bottle.

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[Monkey King]

@MasterKingJC:

I mentioned this in the chapter discussion thread, but the phrase on Ch 703's color spread is a reference to Message in a Bottle.

! http://images.wikia.com/onepiece/images/7/74/Chapter_703.png

Holy crap, I didn't notice that, awesome.

[White Witch]

Has Oda already mentioned in a SBS if Caesar's design was based off David Bowie?

[Monkey King]

@White:

Has Oda already mentioned in a SBS if Caesar's design was based off David Bowie?

Caesar looks nothing like any David Bowie incarnation. Or maybe I missed the "Goat-horns, long black hair, and bathrobe" phase.

[tatermoog]

@Monkey:

Caesar looks nothing like any David Bowie incarnation. Or maybe I missed the "Goat-horns, long black hair, and bathrobe" phase.

Two for three!:

[Monkey King]

@tatermoog:

Two for three!:

http://www.alicia-logic.com/capsimages/l_064DavidBowie.jpg

That's one for three. And one weeeeeak one.
I mean three seconds where Bowie holds a horned masquerade mask in front of his face in the dream sequence part of Labyrinth is really what you think Oda would do if he were making a character based off David Bowie?
You know, the guy who ISN'T actually best known for Jareth no matter what western weeaboos believe?

If Oda's going to ever base a character off Bowie, they're going to look like this.
Maybe even this (which is what happened in the Venture Brothers).

[tatermoog]

@Monkey:

That's one for three. And one weeeeeak one.
I mean three seconds where Bowie holds a horned masquerade mask in front of his face in the dream sequence part of Labyrinth is really what you think Oda would do if he were making a character based off David Bowie?
You know, the guy who ISN'T actually best known for Jareth no matter what western weeaboos believe?

Er…yes. I'm aware of all these points.

Can't see Oda using the Thin White Duke, though that would be awesome. Hitler Salute aside, he was my favorite Bowie incarnation.

[White Witch]

@Monkey:

If Oda's going to ever base a character off Bowie, they're going to look like this.

Well, Caesar would kind of look like that if he didn't have his gas bathrobe 24/7. But it still feels too weak for an argument.

@Monkey:

Caesar looks nothing like any David Bowie incarnation. Or maybe I missed the "Goat-horns, long black hair, and bathrobe" phase.

Wouldn't be so different from Eneru's drums and long earlobes. It's just Oda's personal touch to make them fit the Arc theme.

Anyway, I just made the question out of curiosity not because I wanted to shove down your throats that Caesar = David Bowie.

We are just better off waiting for the SBS clears up stuff like this, but by the looks of it people are just more interested on knowing what the male devil fruit users can do with their dicks.

[Monkey King]

@White:

Well, Caesar would kind of look like that if he didn't have his gas bathrobe 24/7.

No, he really wouldn't look like a man with a red pompadour mullet.

Wouldn't be so different from Eneru's drums and long earlobes. It's just Oda's personal touch to make them fit the Arc theme.

Wait, what does Ener have to do with anything? Also Caesar didn't even look so much like a scientist as he did someone who should have been working for Gecko Moria, so I dunno about themes.

[Foxy The Silver Fox]

Since Punk Hazard had a mythological theme, I assumed that Caesar is based on a Baphomet.

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@Foxy:

Since Punk Hazard had a mythological theme, I assumed that Caesar is based on a Baphomet.

I think that was already said, Baphomet was even proposed as a new crewmate, because he/she has boobs.

[White Witch]

@Monkey:

Wait, what does Ener have to do with anything? Also Caesar didn't even look so much like a scientist as he did someone who should have been working for Gecko Moria, so I dunno about themes.

Eneru was based off Eminem. That guy never went through a "long earlobes" phase, Oda just wanted the design to have characteristics of Buddha and Raijin.

IRC it wasn't mentioned in a SBS but in an interview a magazine did to Oda. It would be nice if someone could clear it up since the wiki rarely mentions stuff stated outside of the SBS corner.

[Monkey King]

@White:

Eneru was based off Eminem. That guy never went through a "long earlobes" phase, Oda just wanted the design to have characteristics of Buddha and Raijin.

He had a very recognizable face though under all the other stuff, so it was Eminem's face with Buddah/Thunder God stuff.
Bowie and Caesar don't share a face under all that other stuff.

[MasterKingJC]

When I first saw Caesar, he looked like the love child of Mick Jagger and Steven Tyler.

[Cyan D. Funk]

Caesar's based off the Joker in my eyes.

Also Caesar Romero.

[TheCrystalShip]

I can actually see how someone could come to that conclusion, but I feel like Oda would have made it WAY more obvious.

[Ukimix]

Knifes, love, jealousy, stabs, murder…. knifes, love, jealousy, stabs, murder, ...

In the film Carmen, directed by the Spanish film-maker Carlos Saura, and inspired in the Opera of the same name by Bizet and in the novel of the same name by Prosper Mérimée, Carmen, a beautiful flamenco dancer, is the current girlfriend of Antonio, (flamenco dancer). But she likes sex, and she doesn't want to promise loyalty to Antonio (in fact she doesn't to promise anything to him. lol). This is an extract of the last part of the film: she likes a bullfigther, and she flirts with him, in front of Antonio's eyes.... with a tragic final. I copy the vid since the second 1:33:50, I hope it works, but if doesn't, you only have to set the vid to that second:

! As you can see, here is Antonio who stabs and murders Carmen for being disloyal. In OP, is the beautiful dancer who stab the unloyal lovers. Apart of that, the elements are the same: knifes, love, jealousy, stabs, murder… I'm pretty impressed by the stabs element.

Note: This is a post with out any aspiration of true or validity. If you are not agree it's ok, if you are, that's ok also. Just enjoy the vid, it's beautiful and deserves to be watched. :-)

[ponx]

Hmm, I've always thought LaFitte reminds me of Bowie, well… him or Marilyn Manson. But LaFitte has more class to him so I'll take Bowie.

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[Monkey King]

@ponx:

Hmm, I've always thought LaFitte reminds me of Bowie, well… him or Marilyn Manson. But LaFitte has more class to him so I'll take Bowie.

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There's something to this….it's thin..but something.

[Foxy The Silver Fox]

Could this be the inspiration for Luffy?

[puffing.cinema]

oh, god. I hope not. I-I would be ashamed…

[KaizokuJinbei]

I guessing it's safe to assume Corrida Colloseum is based off of the Roman Colloseum

[sunsuion]

@Ubiq:

I originally had this one in quirks thread, but have also added other images for comparison.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/Ubiq/Luffyshirt.jpg

This's awesome hahaha… So, is Luffy really came from Dragon ball?

[Jewelery Bonney]

Even though he came way after Marco was created, I still think Marco is Macklemore

[Aohige_AP]

@Jewelery:

Even though he came way after Marco was created, I still think Marco is Macklemore
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0204/mag_macklemore02jr_576.jpg

Are you just being funny, or you're suggesting Oda is a psychic that can see the future.

I mean, you would assume the former, but after seeing some of the dumbest posts ever on the forum in the last few months, I'm not sure anymore.

[Gallan]

@Aohige_AP:

Are you just being funny, or you're suggesting Oda is a psychic that can see the future.

I mean, you would assume the former, but after seeing some of the dumbest posts ever on the forum in the last few months, I'm not sure anymore.

I think it's just his/her opinion. And probably that even for me, seeing Macklemore I can't help but be reminded of Marco now. It's stuck!

Though if Oda were psychic… egads, man, where's our War of the Best! Wouldn't that be something.

[Aohige_AP]

@Gallan:

I think it's just his/her opinion. And probably that even for me, seeing Macklemore I can't help but be reminded of Marco now. It's stuck!

Though if Oda were psychic… egads, man, where's our War of the Best! Wouldn't that be something.

Are you saying you have an opinion on believing something that is factually impossible?

That's like saying you believe My Little Ponies are real.

EDIT:

Wrestlers galore!

See, THIS is what this kind of threads are for. Not random "Oda is God And He Time Travels LOLLL"
Ain't that right, Zephos?

[KaizokuJinbei]

@Aohige_AP:

Are you saying you have an opinion on believing something that is factually impossible?

That's like saying you believe My Little Ponies are real.

EDIT:

Wrestlers galore!

See, THIS is what this kind of threads are for. Not random "Oda is God And He Time Travels LOLLL"
Ain't that right, Zephos?

I knew Kerry and Bobby Funk were based off of brothers in wrestling In just could put my finger on their names lol.

[Monkey King]

@Aohige_AP:

See, THIS is what this kind of threads are for. Not random "Oda is God And He Time Travels LOLLL"
Ain't that right, Zephos?

Yup lol.

I remember as a wee Arlong Parker the earlier versions of this thread….learning so much...Donflamingo being like Michel Polnareff...things like that. Expanding the mind.
Nowadays its "I THINK THIS "GREEK" STUFF IS A REFERENCE TO THE DISNEY MOVIE HERCULES" and some guy no one cares about being Marco like seven years after Marco showed up. Sigh.

[valiantt]

Wait…someone honestly thought Dressrosa is based on Disney's Hercules?
Really? REALLY? Wtf is wrong with some posters?

[Monkey King]

@valiantt:

Wait…someone honestly thought Dressrosa is based on Disney's Hercules?
Really? REALLY? Wtf is wrong with some posters?

Not yet lol, but there's been lots of people making reference to some play or video game or whatever because of Greek or Spanish shit in it…..rather than y'know....Greece or Spain.
It kinda makes me sad that people know more about random pop culture crap than they do the actual world. I would have thought a story like One Piece would make people into travelers at least mentally.

[Aohige_AP]

@KaizokuJinbei:

I knew Kerry and Bobby Funk were based off of brothers in wrestling In just could put my finger on their names lol.

Took me a while looking for a good image for them, actually, since most of the pictures were not their prime.
The reason why I put the arrow there is I think Terry Funk's design, both recent and prime, were used for both the characters, and simply used the fact they are brothers as reference regarding Bobby.

[Cyan D. Funk]

When I read "Funk Brothers" I thought of something completely different

[Ukimix]

Oda has introduced in this arc a character without precedents: a lover capable of kill for love. This is quite a unique figure or archetype. And in this arc it has some additional ingredients: the lover is a (spanish) flamenco dancer. I have posted two notes about this character: one on Carmen by Bizet, and a vid of the film Carmen by the spanish director Carlos Saura. This director made another film "El amor brujo" ("Love the magician") based on the piece of music of the same title, composed by the spanish musician Manuel de Falla about the andalusian culture. The whole film by Saura, and the music by de Falla portray among other things this kind of passions. There is a song by de Falla which capture the essence of that passion.

"La cancion del amor dolido" (Song of Suffering Love)

To me, the best verions of the song is the first one of the three that comes in this vid. I couldn't find it alone.

Here the lyrics with a free translation I did (surely it's improvable given the limitations of my english).

! > Ay! Yo no se que siento,
ni se que me pasa
cuando este maldito gitano me farta.
Candela que ardes,
mas arde el infierno que toita mi sangre
abrasa de celos!

Ay! Cuando el rio suena que querra
decir?
Ay! Por querer a otra se orvia
de mi!

Ay! Cuando el fuego abrasa.
Cuando el rio suena,
si el agua no mata el fuego
a mi el penarme condena!
A mi el querer me envenena!
A mi me matan las penas!
Ay! Ay!

English version by Uki (so it would be better thanslations for sure, My English is not that good).

Ay! I don't know what I feel,
neither what's happening to me
When that cursed gypsy fails me
Fire that burns,
More the hell burns than my whole blood
burned for jealousy!

Ay! What does it mean
when the river sounds?
Ay! For loving other he has forgotten
about me,

Ay! When fire burns,
When the river sounds,
If water doesn't kill fire,
sorrow condemns me!
To me, to love poisons me!
Sorrows kills me!

Ay! Ay!

The river that sounds is the rumors about her lover's unloyalty. The fire represents love, and the water jealousy. Hence, once she listen the rumors, a battle is triggered inside of her between love and jealousy (water and love). And her feelings are so deep that she feels like dying,… but she also feels anger, (the reference to her blood being burned). there you have a mixture that turns a lover into a lover muerderer.... Pretty beautiful poem...

In Carmen, Bizet's opera, and Saura's film, the murder is no a penalty to the unloyal lover, but a forced consecuence of the fact that it's impossible to live with out the love of Carmen. Nothing to do with punishment…. just passion, and irrational and strong and painful passion. Of course OP doesn't have to include nothing so deep like that. But it's interesting.

Also here a vid of the section "Cancion del fuego fatuo" as it was filmed in the film by Saura:

This section "Cancion del Fuego Fatuo" was covered by jazz musician Miles Davis on his album Sketches of Spain (1959) as "Will O' the Wisp". All of them about andalucian culture:

All of this themes are about andalucian culture. And Violet and mainly her feelings about love are inspired heavily on themes of this culture.

As usual, no preticions of posting a true, only things that I enjoy in the reading of the current arc, and that I want to share.

[Aaronrules380]

I'll agree that I feel people are making tons of connections they lack the evidence to make, and also miss the forest for the trees a lot in this thread. It would be understandable at times if people could at least admit their mistakes rather than get super defensive and go "well it's MY opinion" when this is a thread about actual intent where opinion holds no place. So it's really more of a belief (I seperate that from opinion in that a belief can be objectively wrong. The Earth is flat is a belief (and a wrong one). I find a show amusing is an opinion), which holds little place here since this is about what Oda's inspirations are. If you can't get a solid basis for your belief to be right, you shouldn't post it. And if others point out the flaws in your belief, admit you made a mistake and MOVE ON

[Ukimix]

@Aaronrules380:

I'll agree that I feel people are making tons of connections they lack the evidence to make, and also miss the forest for the trees a lot in this thread. It would be understandable at times if people could at least admit their mistakes rather than get super defensive and go "well it's MY opinion" when this is a thread about actual intent where opinion holds no place. So it's really more of a belief (I seperate that from opinion in that a belief can be objectively wrong. The Earth is flat is a belief (and a wrong one). I find a show amusing is an opinion), which holds little place here since this is about what Oda's inspirations are. If you can't get a solid basis for your belief to be right, you shouldn't post it. And if others point out the flaws in your belief, admit you made a mistake and MOVE ON

I really don't understand what is the big deal with this kind of post I did. Neither the rudesness in the language against them. Maybe they are not welcomed here, and I should stop posting them and move on, as you suggest. But I won't. If the site can storage some bits more of information, I keep cherishing the hope that other members or users could enjoy and see what I share as much as I do. After all, this is not a thread about a science, and we are not forced to think the same thoughts. Thanks for you opinion about what we could post here and what we couldn't. Btw, is there a rule in this site that support that opinion? If there is, I promise I will quit with this kind of posts.

[Aaronrules380]

@Ukimix:

I really don't understand what is the big deal with this kind of post I did. Neither the rudesness in the language against them. Maybe they are not welcomed here, and I should stop posting them and move on, as you suggest. But I won't. If the site can storage some bits more of information, I keep cherishing the hope that other members or users could enjoy and see what I share as much as I do. After all, this is not a thread about a science, and we are not forced to think the same thoughts. Thanks for you opinion about what we could post here and what we couldn't. Btw, is there a rule in this site that support that opinion? If there is, I promise I will quit with this kind of posts.

Nothing is wrong with posting an idea, but when people refute it, you need to learn to let go. It's not a rule, but it's annoying to those of us who actually want to discuss real inspirations that Oda probably has, instead of listing everything with a passing similarity to something in One Piece. It's pointless clutter. It's fine if you get something wrong, just learn to admit when you're wrong instead of getting stuck on a single idea. I once thought Dressrosa was just a spain island because people had posted a lot of things that linked it to Spain. But then I heard Monkey King's arguement that it was a Mediterranean Island, and that my original belief was incomplete, so I moved on.

This thread is about Oda's inspirations, not thing we think have similarities to One Piece. Since Oda was either inspired by something in some way, or not inspired by them at all, you can be objectively wrong. Now obviously short of Oda confirming something himself it's always possible there's a coincidence, but I believe we should approach it in a more scientific method. As in, rather than treating all ideas equally, we evaluate the evidence for and against them and come to a conclusion based on that. And if more evidence comes up, we revise and alter our conclusions as necessary. Sometimes your ideas will be shot down, but nobody really gains anything by thinking that all ideas are equally right, because ultimately they aren't

[NER]

I am waiting for the day that Oda base something of the Metal Gear Solid series.

[Cyber-Robin]

@NER:

I am waiting for the day that Oda base something of the Metal Gear Solid series.

Paulie? Paulie? PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAULLLIE!?

Sorry. Paulie always reminds me of Snake for some reason XD

[NER]

@Cyber-Robin:

Paulie? Paulie? PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAULLLIE!?

Sorry. Paulie always reminds me of Snake for some reason XD

That made me laugh for some reason. thanks dude. <3

I don't know, maybe we will see a pirate/marine who hides under a cardboard box cause he don't want Luffy to see him, and then Luffy will walk to him and say "its just a box" I'll be so happy I think I'll die.

[Ukimix]

@Aaronrules380:

Nothing is wrong with posting an idea, but when people refute it, you need to learn to let go. It's not a rule, but it's annoying to those of us who actually want to discuss real inspirations that Oda probably has, instead of listing everything with a passing similarity to something in One Piece. It's pointless clutter. It's fine if you get something wrong, just learn to admit when you're wrong instead of getting stuck on a single idea. I once thought Dressrosa was just a spain island because people had posted a lot of things that linked it to Spain. But then I heard Monkey King's arguement that it was a Mediterranean Island, and that my original belief was incomplete, so I moved on.

This thread is about Oda's inspirations, not thing we think have similarities to One Piece. Since Oda was either inspired by something in some way, or not inspired by them at all, you can be objectively wrong. Now obviously short of Oda confirming something himself it's always possible there's a coincidence, but I believe we should approach it in a more scientific method. As in, rather than treating all ideas equally, we evaluate the evidence for and against them and come to a conclusion based on that. And if more evidence comes up, we revise and alter our conclusions as necessary. Sometimes your ideas will be shot down, but nobody really gains anything by thinking that all ideas are equally right, because ultimately they aren't

The thing is that many people here knows a lot about One Piece, but very few knows about literary criticism. And I think it's ok in that way, since Oda is not Shakespeare or Homero. But there are commun facts about human interpretation and literary stuffs that are valid even if it's me who create a fictional story: interpretations of that kind of stories are subjective. There is no a thing like: yadayadayada ergo, quod eram demostramdun we have X beyond of any doubt. For instance, the rule applies to the Spain and the Mediterranean Island you quote.

Take this argument:

@Monkey:

I don't care about Carmen lol, I'm talking about One Piece. Which is what we're talking about in terms of inspiration.

What parts of Carmen have to do with the toys? The roman/ancient greek looking outfits on the gladiators….the fact that there's gladiators in the first place? The Roman arena? Where on earth are you getting bullfighting from? It's inarguably Greco-Roman gladiator fighting. All that is on Dressrosa?
And the genders are reversed on the story, it's a joke and cliche that women from that part of Europe are the kind who will cut their man if he crosses them. That's where that joke is coming from. Rather than a story where...a woman is stabbed by a man lol.

Your drawing the comparisons to One Piece, that aren't there.
Violet is clearly dancing flamenco. And there is no bullfighting but Roman gladiators instead.

What is the mistake here: simply that he thinks that, in order to be based in a literary theme, in an Opera like Carmen, all the elements have to match; he demands toys in that Opera and gladiators… But he missed that the inspiration topic was not about toys, neither about gladiators, but about passion and strictely about a single topic: the fact that Viole is capable of kill for love. That topic, a feature of Oda's Violet, is the same of Bizet's carmen, and also in the gypsys of PUskin original poem in which Bizet inspired whe he wrote his opera, and it's the same among gypsy flamenco dancers. But I don't want to argue about it, but simply to clear that, it's possible for an author to inspire in just some elements of anothe's work to create his own and original stuff.

Let's go to the topic about the island and Spain, and apply this rule to it: do you think that Oda could not take some elements of a Mediterranean island and also from Palacio's de Güell in Barcelona Because those pics you talk about are very clear in demonstrating that many buildings of Dressrosa are inspired in that Palacio.)? Not at all. He can do that and any other author or a fictional story can do the same. He could take some buildings from that island and others from anothe city and another ones from his garden in Japan and put them all in a single panel, and it's no a mistake. So, Monkey King is misplacing a debate. He seems to think that this is a science with probes beyond doubts about what inspired who in a subject like literary criticism. Well, it's not, and to comment on the interpretations other do about a fictional story requires to accept that there are other ways to read. Even more, to understand that enables you with furher elements to enjoy a reading. And that is the main reason why we read, for pleasure.