having just read one of the scanlations in the absense of a translation, it appears that Usopp is still in need of A LOT of development fighting wise, though we know he's not a melee fighter, to shoot into a huddle of 200 captain and not be able to hit one, show's he's got A LONG WAY to go.
exactly…......... which PROBABLY can translate as "he still needs to get stronger", but I wouldn't say that....since there might be some explanation of him not able to hit the 200 captains .........
Pro-Main Cast Evangelist. In Oda We Trust. TheJackAss Crew. AMC = Anti-main Cast. Luffy x Nami.
OH FCK! I just read that chap and I was so PISSED OFF [my friend laughed at me when kept saying fck you captain about 3 minutes :'(]. That sonofabitch broke Zoro's katana! No! That's not nice at all. I'm furious, but the chap itself was priceless. Usopp was cool, but THAT KATANA. I HATE MARINES.
Anymore love for the Frankfried theory, by the way?
Honestly, I would love it, but I wouldn't be disappointed if it didn't happen either. I'm gonna keep an open mind on this one, it would be funny though.
After seeing the way Zoro used Sogesword though, I'd almost feel bad for the poor elephant if Zoro was the one swinging him around instead of Spandam.
Upon rereading a scanslation, a few things struck me.
1. On Pg. 9 Lucci's tail looks incredibly long.
2. Sanji had been slowly attempting to sneak off for the past few chapters
3. The allusions to Loguetown (a seemingly inescapable situation, Smoker being brought back up, Zoro's swords)
4. Did Franky attempt to hit the ball fruit man's balls? (don't think too hard, it's a terrible joke)
5. Man, after pg 8, if Franky doesn't join it'll be like a punch in the balls
6. Why the hell weren't any of these Captain's on Enies Lobby before when they really could have helped? Silly Marines.
Prediction for next chapter
Fighting will continue.
Its good to see a group of marines that can actually hold their own in battle rather then get taken down easily with one splash attack. And NOW that explains it, some of them are devil fruits. That guy that Franky punched…ball ball fruit no doupt.
Funkfreed is a big stupid animal and a gimmick at best. I can't imagine trying to throw an elephant at Mihawk, and you know he'd be present during the battle because you can't really discard a living thing if you had it in the first place.
Originally Posted by Battle Franky
Bad move, bub!
I still believe that Oda is planning a Smoker/Tashigi vs Mugiwaras reunion….... since it isn't that of a coincidence that Zoro's katana broke........maybe a mini arc or otherwise.......
^ I dunno..FRanky smashed it to death(or almost..) and just left it there..
Does the control mechanism for the gate lie inside the half of the bridge the Strawhats are fighting on? If the gate is closed, wouldn't the whirlpools start up again? Giant battleship or not, wouldn't they get sucked down?
I actually think that's one of the best theories I've seen.
BTW I think Usopp couldn't hit the Marine guy because of his Devil Fruit Power, not because his aim was lacking. That guy had the split-split fruit or something…
I agree with what someone said ...didn't it say last week this was the end of the Luffy vs. Lucci thing? That means Luffy really DID lose this fight, which I for one like. But maybe it was a mistranslation?
Maybe Sanji is just going to cook luffy some meat and Usopp will shoot it to him via Kabuto?
I noticed something else..Chopper is unable to move..meaning he didn't see Sogeking reveal himself. Is Oda-sensei covering his tracks so he can use Sogeking once again? Maybe he wants to keep it hidden from Luffy and Chopper that Usopp is Sogeking forever?
Also, it's a children's comic from Japan.
Why are you comparing it to cultural engravings and burritos.
Regarding Zoro's sword.
(All the info was taken from Stephen's scripts.)
Chapter 97
Tashigi:
I swear…!! With "Shigure" here, I will be a swordsman, and improve my skill, and I will go about the world and retrieve all the
"Meitou" (Famous Blades) from the hands of scum!
The 12 Saijou-Oo-Wazamono (Sharpest of the Sharp), the 21 Oo-Wazamono (Sharpest Swords), and the
50 Ryou-Wazamono (Well-Sharpened)… Upon my life!
Yubashiri was one of the 50 Ryou-Wazamono, the lowest class.
Perhaps Zoro will come across a sword from one of the higher classes in the coming chapters.
@Ao:
I agree with what someone said …didn't it say last week this was the end of the Luffy vs. Lucci thing? That means Luffy really DID lose this fight, which I for one like. But maybe it was a mistranslation?
it would also mean One Piece = Game Over.
Life =0. No more continues.
screen goes blank then One Piece title pops up.
Please press start to play One Piece.
Pro-Main Cast Evangelist. In Oda We Trust. TheJackAss Crew. AMC = Anti-main Cast. Luffy x Nami.
@Ao:
^ I dunno..FRanky smashed it to death(or almost..) and just left it there..
I actually think that's one of the best theories I've seen.
BTW I think Usopp couldn't hit the Marine guy because of his Devil Fruit Power, not because his aim was lacking. That guy had the split-split fruit or something…
I agree with what someone said ...didn't it say last week this was the end of the Luffy vs. Lucci thing? That means Luffy really DID lose this fight, which I for one like. But maybe it was a mistranslation?
Maybe Sanji is just going to cook luffy some meat and Usopp will shoot it to him via Kabuto?
I noticed something else..Chopper is unable to move..meaning he didn't see Sogeking reveal himself. Is Oda-sensei covering his tracks so he can use Sogeking once again? Maybe he wants to keep it hidden from Luffy and Chopper that Usopp is Sogeking forever?
i have to say, you got some pretty good opinions there that i like!
Funkfreed is a big stupid animal and a gimmick at best. I can't imagine trying to throw an elephant at Mihawk, and you know he'd be present during the battle because you can't really discard a living thing if you had it in the first place.
Seriously. Funkfried is a joke and so is its bearer, I can't believe some of you can actually picture Zoro having a Mr1 style dramatic fight wielding some larva-shaped elephant sword.
i agree with you Aldrich, im not fond of Zoro using Fuckfriend @ all
it would also mean One Piece = Game Over.
Life =0. No more continues.
screen goes blank then One Piece title pops up.
Please press start to play One Piece.
Luffy got his arse completely and thoroughly handed to him by ME in record time. And yet OP went on and on..
If Luffy does any new Gears in the fight, it better be GEAR FINALE! I really don't want the gear moves to go past three or anything..
Funkfreid = Musician(in Luffy's eyes)
LOL no jk but imagine if Zoro tossed an elephant at Mihawk. He'll be stunned for a milisecond and another milisecond Funkfreid is in two pieces.
Oh don't forget guys, The giants could come out of their holes any minute and bum rush the bridge just to give them help. Not like they'll completely beat all 200 captains but it'll help…lets not forget about those guys.
Sanji is going to do somthing but what? Oda knows what hes going to do, but I doupt he'll cook Luffy somthing and let Ussop shoot it at Luffy to eat so that he can continue to fight. No offence to the guy who came up with that theory, but...well I won't say it. I can see Sanji just out of know where bring down a ship but that'll be too predictable. I actually see him holding Spandam hostage, and yes the marines will care. Why? Marines and Government agents are all on the same page(Justice). When they see a pirate holding an offcial hostage, they won't ignore him. To them Spandam didn't do anything wrong. Thats my theory.
And for Luffy he'll probably just sleep it off like he did in Arabasta while running to find Crocodile. Which I still don't get because how the hell can his body heal THAT fast. Maybe its his rubber body, but then look at Zoro after Lucci poked him a good couple of times.
Why are you taking the CP9 in example while we're talking about the Marine? They don't have the same role, nor the same organisation.
Yeah, but he's still the top ranked CP9, which by the logic of your last post should mean that he's the strongest. Also, why does the CP9 and marines have exceptions among ranks all of the sudden? They're both run by the WG, and you didn't specify such a thing in your last post.
Then again, Smoker is a shining example of being an exception to rank among the marines. That and, Zoro personally OHKO'd a captain T-bone before he got here, even if he gave him respect. And none of these guys may even be as strong as T-Bone anyway, it they can just dump 200 captains here then the marines must have 1000s of them.
Just to be clear, maybe the 200 captains will give the SHs a challenge, but individually they're nothing compared to a single SH. If that rust guy could do anymore then break one of Zoro's swords then he'd still be fighting him.
Zoro does not, ever, stop until his opponent is down or he's down himself. That'd be out of character for him.
exactly…......... which PROBABLY can translate as "he still needs to get stronger", but I wouldn't say that....since there might be some explanation of him not able to hit the 200 captains .........
that they're strong? granted but come on, he should at least be able to hit 1 in 200 no?
Err, i have no idea what this post was all about or what i was hoping to acheive, please ignore it. apologies.
I think I'm among the minority on this one, but I actually liked Yubashiri. But alas, it's broken, not much more I can say on the matter. Though if Zoro does pick up Funkfreed, it would actually make sense. I mean, he rode around on a king bull, he shows a new technique in Gorilla Giri (I think I spelled that right), he takes a sword to a giraffe (Yes I know it's Kaku, but work with me on this one). If he takes that from Spandam, it would be like he went through Animal Kingdom in this arc or something.
Besides, if he takes Funkfreed, it wouldn't be like he would instantly master it anyway. It's "technically", on a very loose term of the word, a living being. Besides that, it was used to having Spanda as a master, and if Zoro just up and took it, I would think it would be hesitant towards him, like any animal with a new owner would be.
On that sense, I can also see the SH's keeping the escape ship, after it's upgraded a little by Franky & what's left of Galley-La. Y'know, tidy it up a bit, have Ussop redraw the flag on the sails, make it feel like their ship. Besides, Funkfreed's an elephant, it's bound to take up space, right?
I'm not saying this will happen, just trying to make it seem possible (even as slight as it may be).
Gosh I loved this chapter I really didn't expect the marines to have devils fruit users among them and for it to be such a struggle for all of them. As for luffy falling I saw that coming personally I think it's a set up for usopp to step in he looks really pissed. If lucci is not taken down then it's game over because they can't fight the marines and hold up a resistance against lucci so someone has to take him down. And we still haven't had kabuto completely showcased and the resolution between luffy and usopp.
Yeah, but he's still the top ranked CP9, which by the logic of your last post should mean that he's the strongest. Also, why does the CP9 and marines have exceptions among ranks all of the sudden? They're both run by the WG, and you didn't specify such a thing in your last post.
I don't see what the fact they're both run by the WG has to do with anything. First, there's no ranks among CP9. Spandam's position isn't a rank per se, he's the director, it's completely different from the Marine.
Then, as I said they don't have the same role. From what we've seen the CP9 director can get away with the physical part of the job; he just has to order his men around. Marines on the contrary are the armed hand of the WG: its members are on the battlefield fighting pirates on a daily basis, CP9 spend 5 years undercover at W7 doing reconnaissance while Spandam was sitting on his thumb at EL.
Then again, Smoker is a shining example of being an exception to rank among the marines.
Where's the logic here? How does it contradict my point rank is determined by power? Smoker is extremely powerful, if he wasn't undisciplined he'd be far higher ranked. It's been said by Oda. Probably around Vice-Admiral rank.
I really don't see what there is to argue, you'd think the fact the highest ranked officers of the Marine are also the strongest fighters would be a clear indication, but no, somehow they're the exception and it doesn't work that way, whatever.
No offence to the guy who came up with that theory, but…well I won't say it.[./quote]
HEY! It wasn't my idea, I just added the Usopp shooting luffy the meat part.:P
But seriously..things like that have happened before..it IS One Piece!
Nose SHIGAN and goofy stuff like that?! Comeon..if Luffy ate some meat and was recharged, I'd laugh and not be at all suprised.
Also, it's a children's comic from Japan.
Why are you comparing it to cultural engravings and burritos.
@Ao:
HEY! It wasn't my idea, I just added the Usopp shooting luffy the meat part.:P
But seriously..things like that have happened before..it IS One Piece!
Nose SHIGAN and goofy stuff like that?! Comeon..if Luffy ate some meat and was recharged, I'd laugh and not be at all suprised.
Sanji disappeared before Luffy was losing.
Thus Sanji is not preparing meat for Luffy. Especially not when 200 Marine Captains show up.
Where's the logic here? How does it contradict my point rank is determined by power? Smoker is extremely powerful, if he wasn't undisciplined he'd be far higher ranked. It's been said by Oda. Probably around Vice-Admiral rank.
I really don't see what there is to argue, you'd think the fact the highest ranked officers of the Marine are also the strongest fighters would be a clear indication, but no, somehow they're the exception and it doesn't work that way, whatever.
It's because Smoker is stronger then then he should be for his rank, many people on this board suggest that he's Admiral level. Yet, because of his attitude he stays at this lower rank.
This is where my point lies. If it's Smoker's behavior that prevents him from being higher ranked, then that means there are other factors in becoming a certain rank, like following orders I guess. But strength isn't the only factor.
As for the VAs, eh, whatever. People just have to remember that they aren't the Admirals, they have to prove their strength first, seeing as the story has shown no foreshadowing of their strength or even character development.
And no, I don't count Saul. He's a D. He's an important character in Robin life. He's not "an average Vice Admiral," and Aokiji wasn't an "average Vice Admiral" back then. That's an insult to the Admirals and to Saul, to think that their strength is commonplace among the VAs.
what's your avatar from? i have a large version of the pic but have no clue regarding it's origins.
Yeah, here you are the large version: http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6650/0001vw1.jpg
Just a hentai one piece comic… you can find it here (just change the URL to image1.php, image2.php, ans so on)…
BTW, I think Luffy will win as soon an he gets his afro again... u_u
@786110:
On Pg. 9 Lucci's tail looks incredibly long.
Real leopards, compared to other big cats, have disproportionately long tail. It is to help them keep balance when climbing.
Yubashiri was one of the 50 Ryou-Wazamono, the lowest class.
Perhaps Zoro will come across a sword from one of the higher classes in the coming chapters.
I was thinking the same thing myself. ^^
This is where my point lies. If it's Smoker's behavior that prevents him from being higher ranked, then that means there are other factors in becoming a certain rank, like following orders I guess. But strength isn't the only factor.
Not the only factor, but the most important. To be highly ranked you have to be disciplined AND powerful. Smoker is only powerful, so he has an average rank. T-Bone is only disciplined, and he's similarly ranked.
**^ T-Bone definatley has a good amount of strengh.
There could be captans that are stronger than their rank, but that's pretty rare. but there won't be a captian that is weaker than a captian, most likley.**
okay I think I got all the bets here:
Quexinos: Jet/Giant Cannon
Smurfx: Several Gear 3rd punches
4ghost: Giant Bazooka with Robo Ally
OneMoment: GG Cannon or Gear 3rd move
UPRC: Jet Gattling/Storm
kljs: gear 4th: Jet Giant Hurricane
Voodzik: Something new =D
786110: Fighting will continue. (well…. i guess that's a pretty safe prediction XD)
did i miss anyone?
_For with a closing door, another surely opens
Just you wait and see,
And when you look back on where we've been together
Wherever you may be
I hope that you remember me_
Smoker's one of those outstandingly strong people that won't be taken down after one hit from any of the straw hats.
Zoro managed to take T Bone down easy.
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As long as a character is labeled " marine HQ [ insert rank here ]" he is stronger than a base character of the same rank . Why ? because they are soldiers of the grand line . The more the rank is high , the more the soldier is strong .
If you look back , all the strong marine characters we have met so far are all from the marine headquarter , while the weakest were from the marine base .
Even fullbody is from the marine HQ , that's why he has a great reputation even if he is weak among the HQ fighters .
He get his ass kicked by sanji with no effort but the same fullbody beat the living shit out of an entire pirate crew ALONE until the moment when they took an hostage .
Why am I saying this ? Because marine HQ soldiers are stronger than the average marine base soldier .
@yokaiforte:
Smoker's one of those outstandingly strong people that won't be taken down after one hit from any of the straw hats.
As Aldrich said, Smoker has a powerful fruit, but among DF users, especially Logias, he's not very comparable. Smoker can grab people with his White Out techniques and turn into smoke; that's basically it. He's not even touching his potential; unless Smoker has some sort of secret techniques, all he's good at is capturing enemies. I suppose that would be why he carries a, uh, "something" around.
Seriously. Funkfried is a joke and so is its bearer, I can't believe some of you can actually picture Zoro having a Mr1 style dramatic fight wielding some larva-shaped elephant sword.
Funkfleed is like Holy the dog of Enies Lobby.
Holy was a skilled material artist but he is stupid, so stupid that he followed Zoro's order to hit himself which he did. Aum was the trainer and Holy always listen to him but Holy can listen to other people besides Aum, when Aum was out, Zoro gets to order it around, that makes Aum an horrible trainer; forgetting to tell Holy not to listen to other people.
Funkfleed is like Holy, Franky threated the elephant to turn back into an full elephant, Funkfleed was scared enough to listen to Franky. Funkfleed Ingores Spandam's ranting while Franky use the elephant to smash Spandam.
It's because Smoker is stronger then then he should be for his rank, many people on this board suggest that he's Admiral level. Yet, because of his attitude he stays at this lower rank.
This is where my point lies. If it's Smoker's behavior that prevents him from being higher ranked, then that means there are other factors in becoming a certain rank, like following orders I guess. But strength isn't the only factor.
As for the VAs, eh, whatever. People just have to remember that they aren't the Admirals, they have to prove their strength first, seeing as the story has shown no foreshadowing of their strength or even character development.
And no, I don't count Saul. He's a D. He's an important character in Robin life. He's not "an average Vice Admiral," and Aokiji wasn't an "average Vice Admiral" back then. That's an insult to the Admirals and to Saul, to think that their strength is commonplace among the VAs.
If Smoker's attiude kept him in an low rank, then how did Aokiji who is lazy and careless manage to become an admiral? His attitude was almost like Smoker.
Plus Smoker almost got promoted but he turn them down, which mean he did not want to reach higer rank on his own request.
As Aldrich said, Smoker has a powerful fruit, but among DF users, especially Logias, he's not very comparable. Smoker can grab people with his White Out techniques and turn into smoke; that's basically it. He's not even touching his potential; unless Smoker has some sort of secret techniques, all he's good at is capturing enemies. I suppose that would be why he carries a, uh, "something" around.
So are you saying that Smoker isn't physically strong?
There's a big difference between a strong guy being kept from a higher rank, and higher ranked guy being weak.
Smoker being a Captain has no bearing on whether or not you need to be strong to achieve higher rank.
well smoker is very strong and i wouldn't think he should be higher than a captain but didn't he get a rise in rank after the arabasta arc same with tashigi
Smoker being a Captain has no bearing on whether or not you need to be strong to achieve higher rank.
Yes, it has, because if he wasn't telling the higher ups to eat shit every now and then he'd have achieved higher rank, simply based on his strenght. There's a clear correlation between rank and strenght here.
Okay, I have to say short opinions to some things:
1.Seriously, Zoro using Funkfried? No. BIG NO. That stupid elephant is useless, fat and ugly. No, Zoro can't take that. He's too cool to take it.
2.If Smoker weren't a marine, he would be bad ass pirate. His attitude is twisted with capital T. Ang as for his Logia powers, they are awesome.
3. I think that Luffy's gonna finish Lucci with some kind of new storm attack in Gear 2. Bazooka is out of question.
Speaking of Smoker, I wonder what happened to him after Arabasta. Did he really get a promotion? Did he get in trouble by yelling at the higher-ups? Mysteries…
It'd be scary if he shows up at Enies Lobby wearing one of those fancy jackets. o.o;;
well thats what im thinking cause if i remember that lock woment (can't remember name) told him and tashigi that they would rise in rank
okay I think I got all the bets here:
Quexinos: Jet/Giant Cannon
Smurfx: Several Gear 3rd punches
4ghost: Giant Bazooka with Robo Ally
OneMoment: GG Cannon or Gear 3rd move
UPRC: Jet Gattling/Storm
kljs: gear 4th: Jet Giant Hurricane
Voodzik: Something new =D
786110: Fighting will continue. (well…. i guess that's a pretty safe prediction XD)did i miss anyone?
I say luffy gomu gomu no jet strom's lucchi in the air then does some new cool super move in the air sending him flying….
and then shows lucchi(uncouncious for now) lands right next to nero and both of them are lost on some random island. Yay for the next ministory
So are you saying that Smoker isn't physically strong?
No, I'm saying his Devil Fruit powers are severely underdeveloped, even less so than Ener.
No, I'm saying his Devil Fruit powers are severely underdeveloped, even less so than Ener.
And how did you come to this conclusion?:wassat:
…, even less so than Ener.
Wow, to think that that was even possible :getlost:
@Octogon:
And how did you come to this conclusion?:wassat:
You know, some guys know everything there is to know about a manga just by looking at the first page.
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okay I think I got all the bets here:
Quexinos: Jet/Giant Cannon
Smurfx: Several Gear 3rd punches
4ghost: Giant Bazooka with Robo Ally
OneMoment: GG Cannon or Gear 3rd move
UPRC: Jet Gattling/Storm
kljs: gear 4th: Jet Giant Hurricane
Voodzik: Something new =D
786110: Fighting will continue. (well…. i guess that's a pretty safe prediction XD)did i miss anyone?
Yes, of course! The… afro!
@Octogon:
And how did you come to this conclusion?:wassat:
Do I need to explain myself again? I gave pretty good reasons earlier on this page.
Smoker can,
1. Turn into smoke.
2. Grab stuff with smoke.
3. Fly (probably)
Ener can,
1. Turn into lightning.
2. Zap stuff with lightning bolts.
3. Teleport.
4. Magnify his hearing.
5. Channel electricity into objects.
6. Alter electric impulses within his body.
Croc can,
1. Turn into sand.
2. Grab stuff with sand.
3. Create weapons from sand.
4. Generate sandstorms.
5. Create fissures.
6. Erode the earth.
7. Absorb water.
8. Create sandpools.
9. Detect water sources.
10. Fly.
…
All of Ener's powers have something to do with electricity. Most of Croc's powers have to do with sand, but not all; yet the others still come from his DF's ability.
Basically put, Smoker's more simmilar to Ener than Croc; he's got a Logia class fruit, yet hasn't fully mastered its capabilities.
ally robot on who though? There's no one to do it on and if he does it on Lucci he can't attack him O_o
I meant for Luffy to use the ally robo on Lucci in order to keep Lucci from avoiding his gear 3 attack. Also kind of like how Luffy used it to hold Lucci's leg and immobilize him in ch421 as Luffy attempted gomu gomu no rifle.
Also whoever said that Sanji is probably going to close the Gates of Justice is most likely right on point. Back in chapter 420 on page 7 Zorro and Sanji talk about the Buster Call and the absence of the whirling currents. I think it was Sanji who noted that the ships were only able to approach the island because the huge gates were open. With the gates closed blocking the natural current the giant whirling currents were created.
Do I need to explain myself again? I gave pretty good reasons earlier on this page.
Smoker can,
1. Turn into smoke.
2. Grab stuff with smoke.
3. Fly (probably)Ener can,
1. Turn into lightning.
2. Zap stuff with lightning bolts.
3. Teleport.
4. Magnify his hearing.
5. Channel electricity into objects.
6. Alter electric impulses within his body.Croc can,
1. Turn into sand.
2. Grab stuff with sand.
3. Create weapons from sand.
4. Generate sandstorms.
5. Create fissures.
6. Erode the earth.
7. Absorb water.
8. Create sandpools.
9. Detect water sources.
10. Fly.…
All of Ener's powers have something to do with electricity. Most of Croc's powers have to do with sand, but not all; yet the others still come from his DF's ability.
Basically put, Smoker's more simmilar to Ener than Croc; he's got a Logia class fruit, yet hasn't fully mastered its capabilities.
**You're not convincing me, at all.
First of we have seen the full capabilities of both Enel and Crocodile. We know the limits to their strengh, at least in a fight against Luffy. And therefore it only makes sense that we would see more thing from both of those two then we would from Smoker. who is most obviously one of those characters whom we won't find out all about until the end of the manga.
Also, Luffy is inferior to Smoker in terms of combat. He doesn't need to use his uber moves on Luffy just yet.
So according to you croc has shown 10 abilities, Enel 6 and Smoker 3. That's pretty good considering we havn't seen him go at even half of his abilities.
Now explain to me how you know Smoker's has less devolped DF abilities compared to those two? Going by your logic, all Ao-Kiji can do is freeze stuff.**
