while I doubt it is impossible for Luffy to get something like this, do you think it's possible for someone that's extremely threatening to the WG to get a "blank check" over his/her head?Come think of it, what is more "threatening" to the WG? No doubt that Whitebeard and Shank have a higher bounty than Luffy, but to me, Luffy seems to be a greater threat to the world. yes, i know bounty is threat measure, not strength, but what consitute as threat to the government?
Blank check bounty?
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while I doubt it is impossible for Luffy to get something like this, do you think it's possible for someone that's extremely threatening to the WG to get a "blank check" over his/her head?
Imagine a criminal deserving a bounty level so high that the WG would not be willing to pay it to whoever captures him/her. Blank check bounty.
what consitute as threat to the government?
The amount of damage they can do, especially to the World Government. Also, how many rank mariners, bounty hunters, and dangerous criminal you beat plays a part. That's how Luffy and Zoro got their bounties.
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but if the World Goverment consider that Nico Robin is with Luffy and Robin can give Luffy the ancient weapons….... what would the bounty be like?
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Knowing the truth is what constitutes a "threat".
Remember what both Dragon AND Shanks said? They mentioned not keeping their silence much longer. They KNOW something. And the World Government is probably paying them to shut up and be good little pirates.
Sellouts? Possibly. But like in my fan-fic, I believe that Dragon is keeping his silence because of Captain's Orders. I don't know why Shanks is, though.
Something that bothers me about Shanks is that he and Mihawk have the exact same stare. Mihawk uses it against Zoro when they're fighting, and Shanks uses it to scare away a Seaking. I doubt they're related, but…
Luffy will get a ridiculously high bounty, but not a "Blank-check".
Here are Luffy's "witnessed crimes"
1. Assaulting a ranked officer (Colonel Nezumi)
2. Evading capture (Smoker twice, local Loguetown police)
3. Destruction of public property (Too many places to mention)
4. Harboring dangerous criminals (Mr. 9, Vivi when she was Ms. Wednesday, Nico Robin)
5. Declaration of WarMost of the other crimes were not witnessed or were pardoned by the citizens because of the circumstances. I still don't understand how Zoro got his original bounty. Whisky Peak had the Mugiwara and Baroque Works. That's it. Unless of course Smoker and Tashigi happened upon Whisky Peak and ntocied that 100 people had been cut up by blades...
Beating CP9 doesn't raise the threat level any, when you think about it. Sure, they can raise the bounty, but all the EL arc did was prove that Mugiwara are stronger than most of the WG and that they aren't afraid to challenge higher authority if it means protecting a nakama. The WG is probably going to have to regroup after EL, obviously, and will give Luffy a higher bounty, but there's a point where doing so is useless. I'm sure after a while, the WG realized they were wasting resources by sending people to fight Roger, so they got together the best of the best to take him down. With the Mugiwara, it shouldn't be any different.
And yes, CP9 was powerful, but not the cream of the crop. People like Ace, Kuzan, Sengoku, Whitebeard, etc. are. These people are much deadlier than CP9.
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I wonder if Sengoku can fight?…....maybe his sheep is the one fighting.....
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It's a goat.
And yes, he obviously can, because in Robin's flashback, he's only a Admiral. In the present time, his title is Supreme Admiral and Head of the Navy. Also, he has a nickname of "Dai-Buddha". You don't get a nickname like that without some kind of skill.
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@Fire Fist:
Knowing the truth is what constitutes a "threat".
Remember what both Dragon AND Shanks said? They mentioned not keeping their silence much longer. They KNOW something. And the World Government is probably paying them to shut up and be good little pirates.
Sellouts? Possibly. But like in my fan-fic, I believe that Dragon is keeping his silence because of Captain's Orders. I don't know why Shanks is, though.
Something that bothers me about Shanks is that he and Mihawk have the exact same stare. Mihawk uses it against Zoro when they're fighting, and Shanks uses it to scare away a Seaking. I doubt they're related, but…
Luffy will get a ridiculously high bounty, but not a "Blank-check".
Here are Luffy's "witnessed crimes"
1. Assaulting a ranked officer (Colonel Nezumi)
2. Evading capture (Smoker twice, local Loguetown police)
3. Destruction of public property (Too many places to mention)
4. Harboring dangerous criminals (Mr. 9, Vivi when she was Ms. Wednesday, Nico Robin)
5. Declaration of WarActually the government doesn't know about Vivi, that was the whole point of them not saying bye to her when they left Alabasta.
He got his original bounty from attacking Nezumi, but also for taking out Buggy, Krieg, and Arlong. That's when they started to view him as a threat. He then got his last one primarily for defeating Crocodile; they know he took out Crocodile, but it won't be leaked to the public. -
**People have to realize that a bounty measure's one's strengh and threat level. People who's bounties are composed of primarily threat level are extremley rare. In fact the only one we know of is Robin. Everyother pirate we have encountered has their bounty based mostly on their strengh, and if they were captians their crew's strengh is also factored into their bounty. Such as Luffy's 100 million.
That being said, a blank check bounty is possible, but unlikley. The WG puts a bounty out because people are more willing to catch them if they know they'll get something good for their troubles. There are no numbers on a blank check bounty.**
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What if after this arc, they're left for dead, and nobody gets any kind of bounty?
Or if the world government simply doesn't want anybody to know what happened at ennies lobby? (the same way nobody knows about Robin's island)
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@Octogon:
There are no numbers on a blank check bounty.
..That's the point. You fill in whatever amount you want, thusly worth more than any solid amount. I'd be more motivated for however much money I want to take at the time than just a solid 500 mil or something. i could take 1 billion, or even 100 billion. >_> I mean, you'd assume the WG is that rich, right?
btw, what I'm wondering is, what will the WG's coverup be for Luffy's bounty this time? they can't leak the existance of the CP9 to the public, can they?
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That's easy enough. For one thing, Enies Lobby is about a one-two day sail from Water 7; the only reason they got there so fast was because they were on Rocket Man. No one was on the island except the Franky Family and Marines, so there's no one to cover it up for. Besides, everything's being blown to bits in the BC.
All they gotta do is make a stupid headline like:
"Fire breaks out in Enies Lobby! All personnel evacuated and relocated"
Two days ago, a massive fire broke out in Enies Lobby, destroying much of the government offices and buildings. As a result, marine and world government personnel will be evacuated and relocated to an alternative site. An investigation is being launched into the affair. More info as it arrives.
Simple.
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i could take 1 billion, or even 100 billion. >_> I mean, you'd assume the WG is that rich, right?
yeah, but if someone asked for all the money the wg had it would cripple it, so putting up a blank check bounty would be trading their power to get rid of a single pirate
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A blank check bounty, I think every pirate captain(so far) wit over 300 million beli bounty was offered the position of shichibukai by the WG.
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while I doubt it is impossible for Luffy to get something like this, do you think it's possible for someone that's extremely threatening to the WG to get a "blank check" over his/her head?
I would imagine that there's a certain point where bounties become ineffective; you either can't find someone dumb enough or strong enough to take that person on. As such, raising the bounties becomes ineffective after a certain point. So the World Government probably just stops raising the listed bounty on that person eventually; if you capture them, you would recieve whatever the last posted amount was.
Rather than issue a blank check, the Gorosei are more likely to sic the Navy or Shichibukai on them. Unless that won't work either (whether it be because the opponent is too strong or because the Shichibukai didn't feel like doing it), in which case the authorities probably just give up and ignore them to the best of their abilities. The World Government might try to stop them if they show up anywhere, but the Navy is not going to go looking for them either. At a guess, Whitebeard probably falls into that category. So long as he stays way the hell away from Mariejoa, the World Government couldn't care less if he's out there doing whatever he feels like.
On the other hand, if somebody like Crocodile went to the World Government and said "I'll bring Monkey D. Luffy in for twice the listed bounty and a pardon", they might well cut a deal, especially if they feel that person is reasonably capable of doing so.
Ultimately, the fame and recognition that would result from capturing said person might easily outweigh whatever extra money that they might have recieved, especially if it was somebody that the World Government really, really, really hated like Dragon.
but what consitute as threat to the government?
Piracy, revolutionary actions, and thinking too much.
@Fire Fist:
And yes, he obviously can, because in Robin's flashback, he's only a Admiral. In the present time, his title is Supreme Admiral and Head of the Navy.
Actually, his title is Gensui, which is really an honorific as much as anything. A more literal translation would be Honored Admiral, but the role is often given to people who act as commander of the entire fleet. It's often translated as Fleet Admiral as a result, but his title is still basically Admiral.
So Sengoku is likely, but not necessarily the only Gensui in the Navy.
Also, he has a nickname of "Dai-Buddha". You don't get a nickname like that without some kind of skill.
Unless it's part of the traditional title for a Gensui; it's quite possible that the Admirals all recieve traditional names to go along with their position and Sengoku (or whoever he is) would probably recieve a new one along with his honorary title.
It's even possible that Sengoku is the traditional title of the Naval Chief of Staff while Dai-Buddha is the title for a Gensui.
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Why the heck would a Fleet Admiral get the title "Civil War"?
Sengoku is probably a title, but in Robin's flashback, he was also Sengoku. Kuzan's real name was revealed, as was Sukazuki's. In the flashback, he looked completely different, and he wasn't wearing a life-size Seagull on his head. Usually, someone is a nickname based upon an ability or a trait they have. If Sengoku was given that title, what ability would "Civil War" Constitute?
And Dai-Buddha isn't a contemporary title, it's a personal nickname. Doflamingo mentions this.
And the marines during the Ohara BC mention "Admiral Sengoku has authorized the Buster Call". If every chief-of-staff got that title, then everyone would be seriously confused.
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Also, with the two notable eceptions of Crocodile and Lucci, ever notice how the goofiest looking dude tends to end up being the major badass of the group? I mean we got Buggy, and we got Wapol, and we got Mr. 3 (he was the major badss in his arc) and we got Crocus and we got Norland and Cricket, and we've got Enel (lighting clown of doom!) and, most of all, we've got luffy.
Heck, it's the huge seagull on his head that makes me almost CERTAIN he's an incredible fighter.
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@Fire Fist:
Why the heck would a Fleet Admiral get the title "Civil War"?
Why the heck would an Admiral get the title Blue Pheasant?
Sengoku can mean "Civil War", though it seems to mean less civil war as a specific concept and more along the lines of "a country in a state of civil war", which is certainly apt for the Odaverse. "Belligerent nation", also apt for the World Government. Finally it could also be a shortened version of Sengokujidai, which means "Age of Civil War".
Sengoku is probably a title, but in Robin's flashback, he was also Sengoku. Kuzan's real name was revealed, as was Sukazuki's.
Did Sengoku have an introductory box identifying him as such? Was he ever actually called Sengoku to his face?
In the flashback, he looked completely different, and he wasn't wearing a life-size Seagull on his head.
He was also twenty years younger at that point as well and apparently wasn't Chief of Staff then either as he was clearly operating out of a facility that was neither the main Naval HQ or the administrative buildings at Mariejoa. Of course he's going to look different.
Usually, someone is a nickname based upon an ability or a trait they have.
Then again, it could be a hereditary title and not a nickname per se.
If Sengoku was given that title, what ability would "Civil War" Constitute?
Why should it be an ability rather than a commentary of the current status of the world?
And Dai-Buddha isn't a contemporary title, it's a personal nickname. Doflamingo mentions this.
He mentions nothing of the sort; he more or less says that somebody called Dai Buddha should be less of a prick.
And the marines during the Ohara BC mention "Admiral Sengoku has authorized the Buster Call".
According to stephen's translations, it was Spandine that said that and only once, nor was the person currently known as Sengoku ever specifically named as such by another character.
If every chief-of-staff got that title, then everyone would be seriously confused.
Uh… why? If it's a traditional title, then everybody is going to know that you're talking about the current one. If it's a previous one, then they would simply refer to them by their real name along with the title.
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We never saw Sengoku as any rank under Admiral. So we wouldn't know is real name if tha isn't it anyways.
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A couple more 'witnessed crimes' that weren't mentioned yet:
Assaulting Captain Morgan (A corrupt Marine captain is still a Marine captain)
Assaulting and deposing the rightful ruler of a country (Wapol)
Granted, Wapol was chased off first by Blackbeard, but Luffy's still the one who sent him away for good.Plus, would the citizens' forgiveness of Luffy matter? In the WG's eyes, they're still lawbreakers. If anything the citizens who like the crew would be lawbreakers themselves.
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A couple more 'witnessed crimes' that weren't mentioned yet:
Assaulting Captain Morgan (A corrupt Marine captain is still a Marine captain)
.Remeber? The marines at that villiage said they wouldn't report the incident and just say Morgan went turncoat crazy so they had to capture him.
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Actually the government doesn't know about Vivi, that was the whole point of them not saying bye to her when they left Alabasta.
He got his original bounty from attacking Nezumi, but also for taking out Buggy, Krieg, and Arlong. That's when they started to view him as a threat. He then got his last one primarily for defeating Crocodile; they know he took out Crocodile, but it won't be leaked to the public.Even someone who could get thier ass kicked by Spandam, could have a high bounty. Maybe if thier a bombs expert? They have the Invisble Invisble fruit? Have some secret document? They know too much?
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Even someone who could get thier ass kicked by Spandam, could have a high bounty. Maybe if thier a bombs expert? They have the Invisble Invisble fruit? Have some secret document? They know too much?
Such things need to be counted in.True dat, true dat.
As for the blank check, it don't make nonsense. Captain Kaze explained it very well. The World Govt. isn't gonna just "make it rain money".
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Blank check bounty is pretty hot, capture the criminal, the kill the bounty hunter when he brings him so he doesn't get paid. Besides for a wanted enough criminal the government could easily make it rain money, for example whitebeard. Not that the WG would be stupid enough to piss Whitebeard off enough by giving him a blank bounty. Imagine being attacked by idiots all day every day like that.. Whitebeard would probably attack the WG for the annoyance alone.
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A blank check bounty is ridiculous in my opinion. That would simply be a display of weakness by the WG.
And I think that there are not that many pirates with bounties that excels 80 Mi. Crocodile was a Shitibukai, and he is still a standard for power measurement.
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Well not really since he was probably made a Shichibukai early, his bounty was stopped short of what it could've been. In an SBS it was even stated that Crocodile would've had a bounty of double the 81 million that he had before he became a Shichibukai.
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@Kidany:
Well not really since he was probably made a Shichibukai early, his bounty was stopped short of what it could've been. In an SBS it was even stated that Crocodile would've had a bounty of double the 81 million that he had before he became a Shichibukai.
Yes, but that doesn't necessarily mean the World Govt. is filthy rich/willing to shell out $$$'s. Also, Croc's method of piracy is organized-crime; something that will often be overlooked by marines (take Arlong).
Other than that, I do see your point.
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I was actually referring to shinpfn's post about how Crocodile's bounty is a standard for other pirates. I t can't be considering it was dropped and that he'd have a higher bounty if he was still a pirate anyways.
About Crocodile's methods, they can't really be overlooked considering he basically had an entire country in his control. The World Government would want to deal with him quickly considering they know how dangerous he is.
But I do agree with you on how they can't just hand out money everywhere. If they could, they'd have alot more control over piracy than they do now.
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Why not? They are the World Government, I'm sure they're the ones who make the money.
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Well but if they keep making money wouldn't that decrease the value of Beli little by little? Thus making a Bounty less worth or something?
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well, with the ocean so dangerous with pirates….. doubt it even matters how much the World Goverment produces beli's...
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I just have to say, the idea of this entire discussion is utterly badass! But yeah, I sadly don't see it happening.
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I just have to say, the idea of this entire discussion is utterly badass! But yeah, I sadly don't see it happening.
I'll have to agree, while there are a lot of naysayers for whatever reason, the underlying idea is very cool, good enough for a movie at least (if not the show) I'd love to see the last movie have a villain with a blank bounty..
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The goofiest looking dude tends to end up being the major badass of the group.
Enel (lighting clown of doom!)
IMPUDENT HUMAN!
^_^
No really, imo eneru is one of the most stylish characters in all of OP.
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cause hes based off eminem lol
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Really, theres no proof he is. Yes Oda is an admitted fan of him but really theres nothing really saying Enel is based off him. Despite the facts you can throw at this.
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well thats what i heard.. and he kinda looks like him to… but then agian wiki tells lots of bs so w.e but its still a cool idea lol
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back to the topic…... I think if the World Government issue a blank check bounty, wouldn't it also meant that the World Government is admitting that Luffy is beyond the doubt the No.1 most wanted Pirate? which would translate to some people that he is the top pirate...or can be call the Pirate King already! right?
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Did anyone say that Luffy would get one now? :O
I did miss that part.
He won't get a blank bounty, 'cause that would mean exactly what kljs said.
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On a sidenote, being English, i thought you meant 'tick' and then i realised, you actually meant 'cheque'. Well not really, i just wanted to tell my lame joke.
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Did anyone say that Luffy would get one now? :O
I did miss that part.
He won't get a blank bounty, 'cause that would mean exactly what kljs said.
BTW kljs, who is it on you picture?actually, this is just a what if topic….... no one said or mentioned Luffy will get a blank check bounty...which of course, it's not possible.....
as for the picture in my avatar, the keyword here is : guess.....
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I'll have to agree, while there are a lot of naysayers for whatever reason, the underlying idea is very cool, good enough for a movie at least (if not the show) I'd love to see the last movie have a villain with a blank bounty..
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I hope that wasn't mean to make fun of me because if I remember that movie correctly, in the end the little boy made out (fine kissed) the uber hot secret agent woman, which makes this movie godly when I was a preteen duche and had seen it. (May be thinking of the wrong movie)