I'm glad we're moving away from them already, not that I dislike them … just want something new. Equally I'll be pissed if the companion is River Song like loads want it to be.
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Oh so Amy and Rory are both leaving at the same time? That's great. I was worried they were killing Rory off once again. (Mainly because I've enjoyed Rory a whole lot more this past year)
I REALLY hope they go with another male companion this time. I dunno why but the male leads in recent years seem to have been better than the females. Not that Amy has been bad but compared to Rory, Wilf and Mickey? Not quite as awessome. Although I guess with Doctor Who it's nearly always 1 Male + 1 Female companion
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I was actually one of the lucky few who managed to get tickets for an advanced preview of "Let's Kill Hitler" in London last night. I won't give too much away, but it is a fantastic episode, plenty of shocks and surprises.
Steven Moffat, Karen Gillan and Arthur Darvill were there as well to watch the episode with us and then took part in a Q&A with the audience. Steven didn't give anything away about future plans for the series, no matter how many questions were asked about it. But he did joke that he lies about the plot details all the time to keep the secrets
Matt Smith wanted to be there, but according to Steven, he was currently "Being filmed rowing on the river Thames", something to do with the Olympics
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Some folks are disecting that little preview bit. While there's tons of theorizing about two doctors and the dreamlord and red/blue ties and all of that… one interesting note thats hard to disagree with though.
That entire 2 minute cliplet... the Tardis is trying to land. And it can't.
Trapped in the Tardis?
For 200 Years?
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@RobbyBevard:
Some folks are disecting that little preview bit. While there's tons of theorizing about two doctors and the dreamlord and red/blue ties and all of that… one interesting note thats hard to disagree with though.
That entire 2 minute cliplet... the Tardis is trying to land. And it can't.
Trapped in the Tardis?
For 200 Years?
Well dang, if that's the case, that's pretty intriguing… has the Doctor ever been trapped in the TARDIS for long amounts of time like that before?
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Dear god, I'm back. First day back from the tour, I go back into my local bookshop and find these bad boys! Last I heard these reissues were only a rumour! Goddamn this makes me happy.
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What have I been gone for? A Good Man Goes To War and onwards really. New trailers are looking damn promising.
@RobbyBevard:
That entire 2 minute cliplet… the Tardis is trying to land. And it can't.
Trapped in the Tardis?
For 200 Years?
Trying to land? The console does that when it's in flight. It always makes that sound. Theres nothing to really imply that it or the Doctor is stuck.
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Well dang, if that's the case, that's pretty intriguing… has the Doctor ever been trapped in the TARDIS for long amounts of time like that before?
Nooooooooooooooooot really no. To be honest I dont think it looks like he's been trapped in the TARDIS at all. He's obviously just found out some disheartening news and cant face telling Amy.
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I would say that some of them do u guys are just biass because it's not from the manga. If the filler arc was in the manga then I bet u guys would love it.
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Dear god, I'm back. First day back from the tour, I go back into my local bookshop and find these bad boys! Last I heard these reissues were only a rumour! Goddamn this makes me happy.
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What exactly are those books, just general information books? They look interesting.
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What exactly are those books, just general information books? They look interesting.
New reprints of the old TARGET novelisations from the 70s and 80s with forewords from people like Russell T Davies, Neil Gaiman, Terrence Dicks, Gareth Roberts etc. Love the shiny gold logo. Absolutely fantastic reprints.
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Theres about 5 or 6 out at the moment. All the story names are changed though. These three are "The Daleks", "The Moonbase" and "Spearhead From Space". Well worth picking up, theyre cheap as hell.
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I would say that some of them do u guys are just biass because it's not from the manga. If the filler arc was in the manga then I bet u guys would love it.
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How much are they? I'll probably get and never read them but still.
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How much are they? I'll probably get and never read them but still.
About a fiver each but they were in the 3 for 2 in my Waterstones
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So, the season continues. Will tag these from now as I don't know if bbc america are simulcasting.
! Good episode. The comedy with the guns reminded me a smidgen of the old 90's children in need special.
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That episode was brilliant & very very entertaining. You Yanks are in for a treat when it airs later today.
Alotta answers in this episode but still more to come yet..
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Once again Rory made the episode. Made me smile most of the way.
Those Anti-Body things were quite possibly the most hilariously naff things ever XD They looked so creaky and cheap. Like something out of the 80s
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! River's timeline will be the death of me >.< But whatever, it was a good episode.
! Just wish we'd seen Hitler more, I expected a lot since the Doctor Who series could have visited him at any point, it felt like they were saving him for something. But nope :/ He's just there to provide a reason for the mini justice league to appear. And then he gets pushed into a cubboard and forgotten… -
Can't make my mind up.
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! Liked the Cat Nurse
! Liked The Doctor giving the diary to River.
! Like River speaking to the Doctor on his 'deathbed'
! Liked Mel's regenertaion to River.
! Though it was hilarious how they handled Hitler.
"Get in the cupboard Hitler"
! Didn't Like:
! So much River Song.
! AGAIN with the 'not explaining things' and having solutions just BE. The Doctor's Dying! Oh it's ok a new one's here with no explanation for the present.
! How did the Voice Protocol (forget the name) turn into Amelia. Seems a bit like Amy 'wishing' everything was fixed in the Series 5 finale and them being fixed. A bit lazy. -
I too was unsure on this episode, at the end I just sat in my chair for a few minutes and was like "yeah. I didn't really like this episode."
Then I got talking to a few friends about it and I started noticing things that I did actually enjoy from the episode: Sonic Cane, Rory & Hitler, Eleven being quite fine with the idea of regenerating really (at least more so than Ten did) a lot of loose ends being tied up quite nicely for some of them. Mels leaving. Eleven in general was actually great this episode with his performances really. I liked the idea of a justice department going back and across time to judge criminals, but I didn't really like its execution.
But then on the other hand there was well Mels full stop who from her very first line I let out a massive groan and left me with a bad taste in my mouth from the get go, how she was more or less shoehorned in. I liked how it was resolved, doesn't change how I felt about her awkwardness in the first place. I would have preferred more from Hitler actually, I thought this would be going back to the days of those history themed episodes we used to have back in the day.
But yeah, was an alright episode. Might need to rewatch it and I might think differently.
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Just saw the episode here Stateside (so glad Irene didn't knock out my power). Loved it from beginning to end. We actually got quite a few questions answered in this episode, which made me a happy Who fan. I wonder if we'll see Madame Eyepatch again?
! As for "silence" being a religion…this leads me more and more to believe there's someone operating above the usual mind baffling silence aliens we see
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What a great episode that was. I liked the "cameos" by Rose, Martha, and Donna.
And I'm more convinced than ever now that the silence and Madam Kovarian are working together.
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I enjoyed the episode overall.
! I feel like Melody being Mel was a bit of a cop-out of sorts. Since they were childhood friends Amy and Rory did spend time together with their child as she grew up, but it feels a bit too convenient especially since they know they won't actually raise the child like parents.
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I just saw the episode and I'm still trying to work out a few of the quirks, but overall I liked the episode! Matt Smith was amazing, as usual. River was pretty awesome throughout it as well.
Y'know, I thought the whole episode was going to be about Hitler (as most of us probably thought as well), but I'm glad with how it all turned out. The episode certainly answered some questions.
Steven Moffat's right, Hitler would be pissed to see how he's been reduced to a comedic role.
I enjoyed the episode overall.
! I feel like Melody being Mel was a bit of a cop-out of sorts. Since they were childhood friends Amy and Rory did spend time together with their child as she grew up, but it feels a bit too convenient especially since they know they won't actually raise the child like parents.
! Also, the regeneration that Melody gave the Doctor, does that mean he can now regenerate more times now or did it just work the once. Also, why wasn't he able to just regenerate again?
! While we did get answers, it seems to have brought more questions.! I think the kiss disabled his regeneration ability as well as poison him, from what I recall, so that's why he couldn't regenerate.
! Also, I'm anxious to find out what "the question" is… my humorous side wants to say it's "Doctor Who?" xD
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Just saw the episode here Stateside (so glad Irene didn't knock out my power). Loved it from beginning to end. We actually got quite a few questions answered in this episode, which made me a happy Who fan. I wonder if we'll see Madame Eyepatch again?
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! I think the kiss disabled his regeneration ability as well as poison him, from what I recall, so that's why he couldn't regenerate.
Yea, I guess.
! Also, at the beginning of Season 6, River tells Rory that when she first met him, the Doctor knew everything about her. With how this episode unfolded, it didn't seem that way. I still have the feeling that this episode created some holes… Does anyone else feel that way?
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Absolutely loved the episode. Blew my fucking mind.
Everything I could ever have wanted and more. Alex Kingston stole the show. I actually loved Mels in this episode. I do think that they wasted a good opportunity to bring her on for a full time companion though. Kingston's too old for it which is a shame - but still - faith in the Moff.
The only thing that doesn't make sense or isn't really mentioned is that surely Alex Kingston would be playing the Fourth River rather than the Third.
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Plus, with them both time travelling, its not like she'd be obligated to be in every episode all the time. It could be a once a season thing, or once every five episodes like it is now. And hey, the first time he meets her in a "previous" regeneration, he wouldn't recognize her until she died at the end of the episode and became current River and that could be played with some too. It'd be the old regeneration handoff between actors… just in reverse.
Good call, me of the past.
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Gonna have to watch the season opener again now that its confirmed. Does lead to the question tho. Since River is their daughter and is the little girl that regenerated… that means she can presumably do so again. Into a new actress at any given point... and that she could be much, much older than she appears to be.
I think we'd all been assuming that eventually we'd hit the halfway mark and start having the doctor more in control as River knows less and less... but... she could be a recurring character for a very, very long time.
The only thing that doesn't make sense or isn't really mentioned is that surely Alex Kingston would be playing the Fourth River rather than the Third.
Just because we have a checklist doesn't mean we've seen all of them. She could be the 8th River for all we know. We seem to have it pegged down to about 4, and they seem a little more locked into Alex Kingston River as the timetravelling badass mode, but… there could have been an adult or two between the little girl in the alley and Mel, and that assassin training is in there... Since she had the line about "the last time I did this I turned into a toddler."
Kind of a shame, since it means the one that's romantic with the doctor and with the diary and all really IS limited to the single actress... unless there's a little more to the library adventure yet. There can be appearances by evil assassin River in an as yet unseen body though... but I imagine the end of this season is pretty much going to wrap that thread too.
Hey, if the Doctor can go from Troughton to white haired Pertwee, and not to mention the very young looking current in Smith... well, age has always been a bit variable, this is just one of the large jumps we've seen. (Not even going to get into Romana's wardrobe cycling regenerations that ended with her looking like a guest star from the previous season.)
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Theres more evidence for 6B happening than not. 6B isn't particularly hypothetical.
Either way, Kingston stole the show for me in this episode. I loved River before but man - I love the character more than ever. Can't wait to see what they do with her.
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These 2 quotes were utter win for me:
"You've got a time machine and I've got a gun. What the hell? Let's kill Hitler!"
and this one was just gold:
"I was on my way to this gay gypsy bar mitzvah for the disabled when I suddenly thought, 'Gosh, the Third Reich's a bit rubbish, I think I'll kill The Fuhrer.'"I lol'ed really hard when i heard that - and i loved the way she delivered the line too….
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on second viewing I realise that River HAS to be the third and can be no later.
Mels describes the last time it happened as what we saw in DOTM.
The whole age control thing is slightly weird.
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on second viewing I realise that River HAS to be the third and can be no later.
Mels describes the last time it happened as what we saw in DOTM.
The whole age control thing is slightly weird.
No it doesn't. Original Melody doesn't have to be the same regeneration as the little girl in DOTM. The silence could have forcibly tested her through three or four bodies before then.
And then, considering that regeneration happened in 1970, and the ages of Rory and Amy… either Melody time traveled or there's another ~25 year gap before she, as a young child, met up with Amy and Rory as an 8 year old Mels. (Around 1996)
-Original Melody
-Little girl in 1970 (Possibly original Melody).
-Form 2, carried for ~25 years from 1970-1996 before regenning into a "toddler"
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-River SongUnless there's time travel involved (and there might well be) there's a huge gap in there for a second form. We didn't see what the little girl turned into, after all.
As for the age control thing, the Doctor himself has regenned a 20-40 year physical difference on any given reboot (From Hartnell to Troughton especially)... while at the same time, no one (especially River) questioned it when Doctor 11 said he was 200 years older and hadn't aged at all.
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No it doesn't. Original Melody doesn't have to be the same regeneration as the little girl in DOTM. The silence could have forcibly tested her through three or four bodies before then.
And then, considering that regeneration happened in 1970, and the ages of Rory and Amy… either Melody time traveled or there's another ~25 year gap before she, as a young child, met up with Amy and Rory as an 8 year old Mels. (Around 1996)
Possible. We've got no reason to think that as of yet though.
-Original Melody
-Little girl in 1970 (Possibly original Melody).
-Form 2, carried for ~25 years from 1970-1996 before regenning into a "toddler"
-Mels
-River SongUnless there's time travel involved (and there might well be) there's a huge gap in there for a second form. We didn't see what the little girl turned into, after all.
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"Last time I did this I ended up a toddler, in the middle of New York"
Now while it's entirely possible that she could have some how regenerated again in New York, it's pretty much straight up implied that she's referring to the one in Day of the Moon. This is where the age control starts not really make sense…
As for the age control thing, the Doctor himself has regenned a 20-40 year physical difference on any given reboot (From Hartnell to Troughton especially)
…yeah? and? That's got nothing to do with being able to control the speed that you age. Since she's implying that she was Mels from 1969 right through to 2011, some how she managed to stay at least about 8 or 9 years old until the nineties where she managed to age at the same rate as Amy and Rory.
Even if River did make the off-hand quip that she'd roll her age back ever so slightly over the process, this was while she was "still cooking". Hell, it might have even been a joke.
Also... he's never regenerated back a full forty years. Hartnell was only 67 when he died for god sake, nine years after he regenerated into Pat. The first Doctor was only meant to show a physical age of roughly 55-60... its not a huge stretch for him to regenerate into the 46 year old Patrick Troughton and then, 3/4 years later him into the simlarly aged Jon Pertwee. Hell Tom Baker was the youngest in his day at 40.
The only person who we've seen regenerate back a long way was The Master in Utopia. Mels to River is about the furthest gap forward we've ever seen.
… while at the same time, no one (especially River) questioned it when Doctor 11 said he was 200 years older and hadn't aged at all.
Rule 1. He only "said" he was 200 years older, he still might not be. With the way the series is going, I'm less inclined to believe this. Other Doctors (such as The Second and Seventh for example HAD physically aged over an unspecified period of time.
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Still say there's plenty of room for a fourth River in there. It happening in New York doesn't mean it has to be THAT time in New York. But, I imagine this will all get cleared up on by season's end.
Also… he's never regenerated back a full forty years. Hartnell was only 67 when he died for god sake, nine years after he regenerated into Pat. The first Doctor was only meant to show a physical age of roughly 55-60... its not a huge stretch for him to regenerate into the 46 year old Patrick Troughton and then, 3/4 years later him into the simlarly aged Jon Pertwee. Hell Tom Baker was the youngest in his day at 40.
You can't go just by the actor's age. You have to also take into account their appearance and how they played the part. The first three doors looked a lot older than they actually were… and were playing the part even older. The doctor is being played much younger than he used to be, regardless of actor. Davidson at 29, looked well into his 30s, while Smith, at 27 (and now 29) still looks much younger.
And Tom Baker may have started at 40, but he left the role at 48, to pass it on to a 29 year old Davison, nearly a 20 year gap in actor age.
The only person who we've seen regenerate back a long way was The Master in Utopia. Mels to River is about the furthest gap forward we've ever seen.
From about 25 to about 45-50. About the same as Baker to Davison, tho in the other direction.
Rule 1. He only "said" he was 200 years older, he still might not be. With the way the series is going, I'm less inclined to believe this. Other Doctors (such as The Second and Seventh for example HAD physically aged over an unspecified period of time.
I don't believe the 200 years either. But River didn't question the not aging at all. To her, him having not aged a day in 200 years was perfectly acceptable, and she's interacted a lot with him throughout his timeline. (Otherwise, her line to Tennant "I've never seen your eyes so young" loses all meaning if its just 2 or 3 years, compared to a lifetime of 900)
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Still say there's plenty of room for a fourth River in there. It happening in New York doesn't mean it has to be THAT time in New York. But, I imagine this will all get cleared up on by season's end.
Thats really stretching it.
You can't go just by the actor's age. You have to also take into account their appearance and how they played the part. The first three doors looked a lot older than they actually were… and were playing the part even older.
…uh no they didnt? I always thought that the first three Doctors all look around about 50.
The doctor is being played much younger than he used to be, regardless of actor. Davidson at 29, looked well into his 30s, while Smith, at 27 (and now 29) still looks much younger.
And Tom Baker may have started at 40, but he left the role at 48, to pass it on to a 29 year old Davison, nearly a 20 year gap in actor age.
From about 25 to about 45-50. About the same as Baker to Davison, tho in the other direction.
Were going to have to disagree here. Tom Baker didn't look too different at 48. Definitely not as different as Troughton looked in The Two Doctors (set in 6B) or McCoy in The Movie.
But still… what relevance does this even have to my original point? Difference in regenerative age is fine - changing your age, speeding up or slowing down post regeneration is just bizarre and unheard of. I really don't buy it but the regeneration of Melody into Mels in 1969 is what's heavily implied. We can only go by the evidence we have.
I don't believe the 200 years either. But River didn't question the not aging at all. To her, him having not aged a day in 200 years was perfectly acceptable, and she's interacted a lot with him throughout his timeline. (Otherwise, her line to Tennant "I've never seen your eyes so young" loses all meaning if its just 2 or 3 years, compared to a lifetime of 900)
“The Doctor lies. So do I.”
To be fair… on the first airing of The Impossible Astronaut I really did think that the Doctor looked physically older.
Anyway maybe she would accept it as totally normal... but for all we know she's never seen any other Time Lord physically age
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It's funny I was on vacation with no internet with some friends of mine, and Saturday my friend said "Oh shit! Doctor Who is today!" so we walk about half a mile away from campgrounds outside of someone's house feeding off their internet to watch a choppy livestream of the episode being aired in Britain.
We really must've looked like fools when all of us fell out of our lawn chairs on the side of the road when Mels regenerated into River.
Anywho, I finally watched the episode in it's entirety last night and while I did enjoy it, I had the same problem that I did with A Good Man Goes to War, I speculated and expected so much more and got something completely different. But after being able to sit on it for a bit, I accepted it and decided that it was a decent episode. Can't wait for the rest of the season.
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Just saw the episode here Stateside (so glad Irene didn't knock out my power). Loved it from beginning to end. We actually got quite a few questions answered in this episode, which made me a happy Who fan. I wonder if we'll see Madame Eyepatch again?
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The Master is stuck in the time lock along with Rassilon and the other time lords.
Yeah, funny how things like that have never ever ever ever ever ever ever EVER stopped recurring Doctor Who villains from returning.
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I was thinking a while ago, and if I remember correctly, in The Time of the Angels River was piloting the TARDIS for a bit, saying "I learned from the best… Too bad you were sick that day."
It's funny I was on vacation with no internet with some friends of mine, and Saturday my friend said "Oh shit! Doctor Who is today!" so we walk about half a mile away from campgrounds outside of someone's house feeding off their internet to watch a choppy livestream of the episode being aired in Britain.
We really must've looked like fools when all of us fell out of our lawn chairs on the side of the road when Mels regenerated into River.
Anywho, I finally watched the episode in it's entirety last night and while I did enjoy it, I had the same problem that I did with A Good Man Goes to War, I speculated and expected so much more and got something completely different. But after being able to sit on it for a bit, I accepted it and decided that it was a decent episode. Can't wait for the rest of the season.
I kinda felt the same with A Good Man Goes to War, but what I really REALLY loved about it was the whole theme of the Doctor realizing how far he's gone since the days he set off, and the whole doctor/nurses being warriors thing.
Also, I caved in and bought some of the novelizations of Doctor Who (the same 3 Sympathy posted), and I bought a dvd set of the first few episodes of Doctor Who (those yummy 1963 ones!). I'm enjoying it so far, even with the pretty trippy intro.
But hey, that was ground-breaking television in '63, right?
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Anywho, I finally watched the episode in it's entirety last night and while I did enjoy it, I had the same problem that I did with A Good Man Goes to War, I speculated and expected so much more and got something completely different. But after being able to sit on it for a bit, I accepted it and decided that it was a decent episode. Can't wait for the rest of the season.
Speculating so far that you actually want/expect something to happen is pretty much the worst thing you can do with anything. I have my ideas but I love just watching how everything plays out anyway. Just take it for what it is.
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I was thinking a while ago, and if I remember correctly, in The Time of the Angels River was piloting the TARDIS for a bit, saying "I learned from the best… Too bad you were sick that day."
Actually it was busy, not sick but well spotted! Love when Moffat can turn an early, off hand quip into the entire plot of a later episode.
I kinda felt the same with A Good Man Goes to War, but what I really REALLY loved about it was the whole theme of the Doctor realizing how far he's gone since the days he set off, and the whole doctor/nurses being warriors thing.
Wasn't that the entire point of the story?
Also, I caved in and bought some of the novelizations of Doctor Who (the same 3 Sympathy posted), and I bought a dvd set of the first few episodes of Doctor Who (those yummy 1963 ones!). I'm enjoying it so far, even with the pretty trippy intro.
THAT GOLD LOGO. The introductions are just brilliant. Great boxset to buy too 'An Unearthly Child' is a great start to the series. I wasn't that keen on it first time around but I love it now. That episode one cliffhanger with the shadow looming over the TARDIS is one of my favourite images of all Doctor Who. 'The Daleks' is also pretty good if not a bit long. 'The Edge of Destruction' is… just.... weird though. Still, if you like - definitely pick up a few more classics.
But hey, that was ground-breaking television in '63, right?
The sound design was but nothing else particularly was at the time. The legacy is more of the ground-breaking thing.
Also, had more of a think on some of the things in 'Let's Kill Hitler'. Interesting that the Teselecta seemed to pick up on Melody Pond, while she was still in her Mels incarnation because of recognising what the TARDIS was. Perhaps the Future Doctor's TARDIS is missing because she stole it? Perhaps even delivering it to The Silence so they could make a copy and even figure out how to control one remotely and blow it up. River's life has been full of ontological paradoxes so it wouldn't surprise if this was the route they were going.
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River Song is one of the most smug characters ever in the history of anything. Too bad this body has already died once so we can't see it happen again. Well, probably.Nice job almost getting a bunch of cops killed to save a convicted murderer, Ponds. With the guy that saved your lives about five minutes before being at risk no less. There isn't even the position that they were crooked cops or even just going overboard.
Where the hell did she get that magical Time-Lord killing lipstick anyway? Has she really been lugging it around this entire time on the off-chance that a situation like this would arise? Hey, if contact with the stuff is enough to kill him, why not coat the front door of the TARDIS with it?
What about Mels' family by the way? Did she have some sort of foster parents or something? Wouldn't Amy have noticed if her best friend that had never been mentioned before didn't have parents in the ten years or more that they supposedly knew each other?
The Silence is a religion now is it? And one that is familiar enough with Time Lord anatomy to develop a toxin that not only kills them but apparently prevents regenerations to boot on top of having the necessary knowledge to make a TARDIS explode? At this point, the only way any of this makes any sense is if a Time Lord is behind it and the only one that really makes sense is the Meddling Monk.
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If I understood the episode correctly, they weren't cops so much as they were vigilantes.
[hide]The Silence is a religion now is it? And one that is familiar enough with Time Lord anatomy to develop a toxin that not only kills them but apparently prevents regenerations to boot on top of having the necessary knowledge to make a TARDIS explode? At this point, the only way any of this makes any sense is if a Time Lord is behind it and the only one that really makes sense is the Meddling Monk.
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If I understood the episode correctly, they weren't cops so much as they were vigilantes.
Vigilantes that work for a Justice Department and that happen to have access to extremely high level technology?
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The Meddling Monk had a reasonable excuse to miss the Time War as he was stranded on a random ice planet with a broken TARDIS, which we may have been seeing bits and pieces of recently.
The Silence is a religious order, which fits in with the whole Monk business.
The Silence latched onto the human race and seemed to be pushing them slightly forward technologically from where they should have been.
They have reasonably detailed knowledge of Time Lord technology; the Monk had a TARDIS that was more advanced than the Doctor's as he left Gallifrey later.
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Whats with all the spoiler tags for past episodes and speculation?
Shouldnt spoiler tags be used for spoilers?
Nice job almost getting a bunch of cops killed to save a convicted murderer, Ponds. With the guy that saved your lives about five minutes before being at risk no less. There isn't even the position that they were crooked cops or even just going overboard.
There is still the topic of exactly who they work for and got access to Time Travel. Didn't seem like Time Agents
What about Mels' family by the way? Did she have some sort of foster parents or something? Wouldn't Amy have noticed if her best friend that had never been mentioned before didn't have parents in the ten years or more that they supposedly knew each other?
After all the stuff that Kovarian/The Silence of have been setting up - this doesn't seem like the hardest thing to fabricate
The Silence is a religion now is it? And one that is familiar enough with Time Lord anatomy to develop a toxin that not only kills them but apparently prevents regenerations to boot on top of having the necessary knowledge to make a TARDIS explode? At this point, the only way any of this makes any sense is if a Time Lord is behind it and the only one that really makes sense is the Meddling Monk.
I'd highly doubt that this would have anything to do with the Monk, especially when Moffat and the BBC ok'd his use in the final season of the Eighth Doctor adventures. He's a bit of a mischief maker but not really malevolent.
River's life is full of ontological paradoxes. They could have learnt about Time Lord anatomy from River herself and the TARDIS from later events rather than earlier.
If I understood the episode correctly, they weren't cops so much as they were vigilantes.
I didn't get that feeling at all
Aha, yes, I'm sure you meant to type The Master, but yes, that does make sense.
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The Meddling Monk had a reasonable excuse to miss the Time War as he was stranded on a random ice planet with a broken TARDIS, which we may have been seeing bits and pieces of recently.
His last appearance was in the final episode of the EDAs. He mentions getting off that ice planet. If they can get Romana out of E-Space, they can get The Monk.
The Silence is a religious order, which fits in with the whole Monk business.
The Silence latched onto the human race and seemed to be pushing them slightly forward technologically from where they should have been.
They have reasonably detailed knowledge of Time Lord technology; the Monk had a TARDIS that was more advanced than the Doctor's as he left Gallifrey later.Since he's only reeeeeally had one canonical TV appearance over 45 years ago and hasn't really had much to do with the current series, I'd really REALLY be inclined to believe in pretty much any other Time Lord - The War Chief, Goth, Borusa, Morbius, Omega etc over the Monk.
He had a religious name but he was never particularly religiously inclined and definitely not particularly evil
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I would say that some of them do u guys are just biass because it's not from the manga. If the filler arc was in the manga then I bet u guys would love it.
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Whats with all the spoiler tags for past episodes and speculation?
Shouldnt spoiler tags be used for spoilers?
Courtesy.
Not everyone manages to catch the episodes at the same times, especially when its an overseas show, so a lot of people have to wait for american broadcast a few hours later, or the internets to have it.
It applies to pretty much any series that has weird release dates. Bakuman scans for instance, release anywhere between Thursday-Monday, so folks checking the thread might just be checking to see if there's news of a release yet, or still getting info about last week's chapter, so it stays spoilered for a couple days. Whereas Naruto, which is always regularly out and scanlated in the same place Wednesday afternoon, and where no one really cares about the ongoing plot, disregards them quickly.
Especially with a series like DW, and especially this season which is full of reveals and twists and theories, you shouldn't just assume everyone in the thread has seen the episode just because its aired. I personally don't get to see new eps until Mondays, if I have a slow day at work, and can use the faster internet there… and last season I was missing two or three eps at a time and catching up in bulk.
You can use [hide] tags instead if it throws you so much.
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! Just watched the ep. Have to say, the bits with Hitler were pretty funny, but Mels definitely felt shoehorned in, and while I liked her enough I suppose, there simply wasn't enough of her in the series to really justify her existence here. Same with Hitler, criminally underused.
! Moffster, I love ya but you've got to work on making River a tad more likeable. Your Doctor is great though =D
! Mein gott, will the trauma of the Ponds never cease? Can you imagine how fucked up a couple would become if they went through all the shit the Ponds have in real life? They'd be gibbering wrecks -
Whats with all the spoiler tags for past episodes and speculation?
Shouldnt spoiler tags be used for spoilers?
As Robby said, spoilers for a series like this aren't quite the same as for other shows.
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There is still the topic of exactly who they work for and got access to Time Travel. Didn't seem like Time Agents
They have a Transmat system that doesn't require a machine on their end; isn't that Dalek technology?
After all the stuff that Kovarian/The Silence of have been setting up - this doesn't seem like the hardest thing to fabricate
We got an entire montage of her getting into trouble and Amy being the one standing around waiting or bailing her out. Wouldn't you eventually wonder where her parents are?
I'd highly doubt that this would have anything to do with the Monk, especially when Moffat and the BBC ok'd his use in the final season of the Eighth Doctor adventures. He's a bit of a mischief maker but not really malevolent.
Because the television series clearly has a history of letting the audiobooks and novels prevent them from doing whatever they wanted onscreen. The Eighth Doctor Adventures, like all the spinoff material, have a dubious canon status anyway.
River's life is full of ontological paradoxes. They could have learnt about Time Lord anatomy from River herself and the TARDIS from later events rather than earlier.
That's merely a polite way of saying that the character's history is riddled with plot holes. Beyond that, if it's just the Silence, how exactly would they figure out a poison that arrests regeneration and kills the Time Lord within a thirty-five minute span when their only test subject is the intended assassin?
Even if they kept trying things until they found something that made her extremely sick and forced a Regen, how did they figure out how to keep the Doctor from simply doing that as well?
His last appearance was in the final episode of the EDAs. He mentions getting off that ice planet. If they can get Romana out of E-Space, they can get The Monk.
Since he's only reeeeeally had one canonical TV appearance over 45 years ago and hasn't really had much to do with the current series, I'd really REALLY be inclined to believe in pretty much any other Time Lord - The War Chief, Goth, Borusa, Morbius, Omega etc over the Monk.
He had a religious name but he was never particularly religiously inclined and definitely not particularly evil
1. Until we see some sign that the EDAs are canon, they have no bearing in this sort of discussion.
2. The mere fact that he had two appearances in the entire history of the show is all the more reason to use him. He was the first Time Lord villain and woefully underused in light of that, comedic or not.
3. Considering that we just saw an episode about people using time travel and a unique camoflage system to punish people within their lifespan for closure's sake, does he necessarily have to be evil in the normal sense to be an antagonist here? Hell, from the Monk's viewpoint, the Doctor almost certainly counts as the single greatest war criminal in the history of the universe.
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