Well no, I'm trying to apply logic into a theory that isn't. Just saying.
How could fans putting together this theory know every detail? It's obvious you won't believe it until it actually happens years from now, so the discussion is over.
Well no, I'm trying to apply logic into a theory that isn't. Just saying.
How could fans putting together this theory know every detail? It's obvious you won't believe it until it actually happens years from now, so the discussion is over.
this picture may be one of the few hints toward the inhabitants of the Ancient Kingdom:
So, are they talking about some kind of fishmen? Winged people? Super carpenters?
I would say that the inhabitants of the AK aren't all of this but a different group of people that are now extinct unlike the winged people.
I really wish all you guys discussing this theory in the last few pages had better grammar. It's a bit difficult to understand what the hell you're saying.
But this is about genetic since we are talking about mixed blood, right? Luffy is special because he is half human/winged. These guys are the D's line because they are half human/winged.
So I don't see why this child from Conis and Cody (he is half human/winged as well) should not be special as well.
Nah. Not necessarily EVERY moon person had the strong will. Just some of them, or even one very specific common ancestor. Even with as many D.'s as we've seen, there haven't been a whole lot of them. And their husbands and wives don't automatically inherit the same, even if they get the initial.
So no, Conis would not pass on the will of whoever originally had the name, because she doesn't have the name. Not a direct descendant, not a carrier of the will.
I mean, Sabo is Luffy's and Ace's brother but there's no blood connection and no D. But Sabo is still strong enough to rival Ace and have that level of ambition.
@RobbyBevard:
Nah. Not necessarily EVERY moon person had the strong will. Just some of them, or even one very specific common ancestor. Even with as many D.'s as we've seen, there haven't been a whole lot of them. And their husbands and wives don't automatically inherit the same, even if they get the initial.
So no, Conis would not pass on the will of whoever originally had the name, because she doesn't have the name. Not a direct descendant, not a carrier of the will.
I mean, Sabo is Luffy's and Ace's brother but there's no blood connection and no D. But Sabo is still strong enough to rival Ace and have that level of ambition.
Don't even bother Robby, he always asks the same question no matter how many times we say it.
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I really wish all you guys discussing this theory in the last few pages had better grammar. It's a bit difficult to understand what the hell you're saying.
The grammar is fine, what are you talking about?
@Foxy:
Don't even bother Robby, he always asks the same question no matter how many times we say it.
And so I give the same reply. Verbatim.
Same question, same answer. Seems fair to me.
@Foxy:
The grammar is fine, what are you talking about?
Yours is fine. Others.. not so much.
And upon another skim, it's mostly people jumping around in their thought process and not explaining very well that was making it a bit hard to read.
@RobbyBevard:
And so I give the same reply. Verbatim.
You haven't fully answered to my question though.
Anyway, if I sould make a bet about the ancient kingdom and their inhabitants, I would say that we have seen them once in the story, in Skypiea. A short detail that could lead to an epic forshadowing.
This page:
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A group of "people" that came to the earth, just like the moon people. They eventually made bonds with them. And they still lives through their memories as a symbol such as this statue but they don't remenber who they really are since everything has been wiped off. These people had some sort of magic power, they created the devil fruits and so on. That could explain the will of "D" a will that can't stop until its realization which, lets be honest, has to be some sort of magic/spiritual stuff.
They also appear here:
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My argument?
Oda dedicated an abnormal huge panel to explain something that was really not needed. Thats my only argument. It's weak, I know this, it's crazy, BUT I wouldn't be surprised if it turn out to be true.
You haven't fully answered to my question though.
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I'll try to articulate what they are trying to explain to you;
The will of D is carried by hybrid of blood type, this case moon. This is the assumption made. However not all moon people have the will of D, but only moon blood has the will of D.
Here's a good way to think about it;
Let's say all americans have car's. Within those lines is the Hybrid. There are many different hybrid car's on the market, but only prius carries a more efficient form of charging, let's say it's solar panel absorbtion or something broken like that. Like venusaur, it absorbs light at an alarming rate which makes it special, and more cost effective.
In order to have this your car must be a hyrbid, (wing/man) but only one brand of hybrid (common decendent) carries the solar beam venusaur technology(Will of D).
The will of D is carried by hybrid of blood type, this case moon. This is the assumption made. However not all moon people have the will of D, but only moon blood has the will of D.
It's still very awkward. Not to mention the superior blood part that is quite ironic with the last developments from Oda saying that everyone share the same blood. Its like throwing in the face of the readers: "Everyone share the same blood, but hey, the main character actually possess a kind of different blood that allow him to achieve his dream!"
And why would the moon people be at the origin of the will of D? We have seen these people at the sky and so far they have nothing special. They are the same people as their ancestors: winged people.
Secondly, why would such an important group of people be allowed to live peacefully on the seas (Shandias) and on the sky while the WG erased everything closely related to the void century? Burning the books is ok but don't touch to the people that actually made the D's line and could continue to do something as "dangerous"? But Clover said that the Ancient Kingdom got wiped off along with its people. The winged people are still there.
Kirk makes valid points and has evidence backing his claims. I haven't reread skypeia in years, I'd forgotten all about those idols.
I agree with your stance.
I also agree with the moon people theory.
We're still missing a ton of information about the void century obviously. But we do know there was some ancient race there, and they got mostly wiped out though a few remained. And Shandora was at its peak during the void century, and was hit by disaster and failed by its guardians, who now find it their duty to make sure it stays there, though they don't know why.
The winged people theory goes back to well before Fishman Island made a huge plot point deal about everyone having the same blood, and maybe it does need some re-evaluating in light of that.
Tho that the idols you point out all look Jinbe, who shares a rare blood type with Luffy…
Introducing a new (as far as I know) theory/plot twist here:
The "twenty kingdoms" that destroyed the one that existed in the void century, allowing the formation of the world government– these destroying "kingdoms" were pirate groups. With malicious and oppressive intent.
The will of certain good people lived on, so that the truth could. When revealed that the world government was started by pirates, that's what could turn everything upside down.
Luffy, the pirate king, would lead the war on the government to take it back.
Just a theory
this part is for sure wrong
Roger already was a man of Ohara attitude, as he clearly was searching for the Poneglyphes and is capable of reading thier language
because Rayleigh said so
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this part is for sure wrong
Roger already was a man of Ohara attitude, as he clearly was searching for the Poneglyphes and is NOT capable of reading thier language
because Rayleigh said so
http://i13.mangareader.net/one-piece/507/one-piece-64853.jpg
U paste a link and then u interpret it wrongly -.-
doesnt matters i am right thats all what matters -.-
It's still very awkward. Not to mention the superior blood part that is quite ironic with the last developments from Oda saying that everyone share the same blood. Its like throwing in the face of the readers: "Everyone share the same blood, but hey, the main character actually possess a kind of different blood that allow him to achieve his dream!"
And why would the moon people be at the origin of the will of D? We have seen these people at the sky and so far they have nothing special. They are the same people as their ancestors: winged people.
Secondly, why would such an important group of people be allowed to live peacefully on the seas (Shandias) and on the sky while the WG erased everything closely related to the void century? Burning the books is ok but don't touch to the people that actually made the D's line and could continue to do something as "dangerous"? But Clover said that the Ancient Kingdom got wiped off along with its people. The winged people are still there.
I like to think that the Skypeia, although decedents of the moon, are like secound cousins rather than direct. I do believe in the moon idea, the whole D symbolism makes sense. In my opinion I believe the Will of D is carried through the royal family of the void century kingdom.
doesnt matters i am right thats all what matters -.-
this part is for sure wrong
Roger already was a man of Ohara attitude, as he clearly was searching for the Poneglyphes and is capable of reading thier language
because Rayleigh said so
http://i13.mangareader.net/one-piece/507/one-piece-64853.jpg
He heard their voices, he could not read it, simply was told through voices in his head.
I like to think that the Skypeia, although decedents of the moon, are like secound cousins rather than direct.
How so? It's pretty much implied that they are the same people from the way they look and their wings position. And it is literally said that they went to the earth so I don't see how you would come to this conclusion.
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In my opinion I believe the Will of D is carried through the royal family of the void century kingdom.
I think the will of D will be more likely about spirituallity from various people and various races rather than a bloodline from an unique family.
How so? It's pretty much implied that they are the same people from the way they look and their wings position. And it is literally said that they went to the earth so I don't see how you would come to this conclusion.
Through the void century I feel like important decedents of different ethnic backgrounds were wiped.
I think the will of D will be more likely about spirituallity from various people and various races rather than a bloodline from an unique family.
I think that's a general definition, but I feel like there is a common connection or answer for their connection to the will. It's a pattern I see at least throughout this series.
It's still very awkward. Not to mention the superior blood part that is quite ironic with the last developments from Oda saying that everyone share the same blood. Its like throwing in the face of the readers: "Everyone share the same blood, but hey, the main character actually possess a kind of different blood that allow him to achieve his dream!"
And why would the moon people be at the origin of the will of D? We have seen these people at the sky and so far they have nothing special. They are the same people as their ancestors: winged people.
Secondly, why would such an important group of people be allowed to live peacefully on the seas (Shandias) and on the sky while the WG erased everything closely related to the void century? Burning the books is ok but don't touch to the people that actually made the D's line and could continue to do something as "dangerous"? But Clover said that the Ancient Kingdom got wiped off along with its people. The winged people are still there.
The way I see it is like this
All Tomatoes are Red….............True Statement
Red is the color of Tomatoes.....True Statement
All things red are Tomatoes.......UNtrue Statement
If we're going on the basis that the Will of D is in the bloodline, than it easy to assume that not every single person with wings (who were from the moon) had the "Will of D". For example, as the human race is billions strong there are many ethnic groups...Blacks, White, Asians, Latinos, etc... We are all human (winged ppl in OP) but not all humans are Asian (Will of D in OP).
That's the easiest way I think it can be broken down so it’s understandable. But it doesn't mean you have to believe this theory is 100% accurate Kirk; but this is what Foxy and Robby are trying to get across; that it’s not the "Winged" blood that is particularly special, but the "Will of D" (whatever it is, be it spiritual or genetic) that is important.
@Tainted:
The way I see it is like this
All Tomatoes are Red….............True Statement
Red is the color of Tomatoes.....True Statement
All things red are Tomatoes.......UNtrue StatementIf we're going on the basis that the Will of D is in the bloodline, than it easy to assume that not every single person with wings (who were from the moon) had the "Will of D". For example, as the human race is billions strong there are many ethnic groups…Blacks, White, Asians, Latinos, etc… We are all human (winged ppl in OP) but not all humans are Asian (Will of D in OP).
That's the easiest way I think it can be broken down so it’s understandable. But it doesn't mean you have to believe this theory is 100% accurate Kirk; but this is what Foxy and Robby are trying to get across; that it’s not the "Winged" blood that is particularly special, but the "Will of D" (whatever it is, be it spiritual or genetic) that is important.
Not to be that guy and start a different discusssion, but those are races, which are very different from ethnic groups.
In fact, Asian isn't even a race, it's a continent. There are many regions in Asia such as most of the Middle East, Turkestan, Indian Sub-continent, Siberia, and East and South-East Asia and they clearly aren't all of the same race.
Secondly, why would such an important group of people be allowed to live peacefully on the seas (Shandias) and on the sky while the WG erased everything closely related to the void century? Burning the books is ok but don't touch to the people that actually made the D's line and could continue to do something as "dangerous"? But Clover said that the Ancient Kingdom got wiped off along with its people. The winged people are still there.
The WG probably left Skypia alone because they didn't know about it. Next to no one goes up there.
And when trying to exterminate an entire group of people, it's hard to get everyone (unless it's really small). Usually there're a few pockets left over here and there (that eventually either die out, or integrate with a larger group of people).
My guess is that there were so few D's, and they were so spread out (they couldn't be just one close-knit sect because giants; it would also add a big slab of NOPE to RougexRoger), that they managed to slip under the WG's radar for a few centuries and integrate with the cultures on the islands they were on. Then, when they started popping up again, they had little to no idea of their lineage beyond the initial. At that point, the reasons behind the Void Century were covered up along with the rest of it, and what most people know of it was "Void century is bad. Don't learn about the void century."
Given how motivated and good-natured most D's are, any that joined the marines would have lots of friends and people that respected them. By the time the reached a high enough rank for the heads of the WG to take notice, trying to have them killed would raise a lot of questions (and might even start a revolution in a worst case scenario). But since the D, again, wouldn't have idea of their lineage, the WG would settle for having them observed.
Fast forward to the present: Aside from D's still making changes in the world, the WG doesn't really care about the D itself anymore. Given how Garp's son and grandson both turned out to be pirates, coupled with Ace and Saul (who, while not a pirate, still defected), it doesn't look like the WG is taking this to be part of some big D conspiracy.
You haven't fully answered to my question though.
Anyway, if I sould make a bet about the ancient kingdom and their inhabitants, I would say that we have seen them once in the story, in Skypiea. A short detail that could lead to an epic forshadowing.
This page:
http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/81853239AK.jpg
A group of "people" that came to the earth, just like the moon people. They eventually made bonds with them. And they still lives through their memories as a symbol such as this statue but they don't remenber who they really are since everything has been wiped off. These people had some sort of magic power, they created the devil fruits and so on. That could explain the will of "D" a will that can't stop until its realization which, lets be honest, has to be some sort of magic/spiritual stuff.
They also appear here:
! http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/115841AK3.jpg
! http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/814934onepiece1691532.jpgMy argument?
Oda dedicated an abnormal huge panel to explain something that was really not needed. Thats my only argument. It's weak, I know this, it's crazy, BUT I wouldn't be surprised if it turn out to be true.
It seems to me that the descendants of the Skypeans and Bilkans had nothing to do with whatever happened during the Void Century, as they had settled on Sky Islands (Skypea and Bilka), while the Shandians had settled further down, in the blue seas, on Jaya.
So for whatever reason, ancient Shandians built those "Vearth" figures. Knock Up stream fires half of Jaya up to the sky, where Skypeans later begin worshipping them.
@Foxy:
Not to be that guy and start a different discusssion, but those are races, which are very different from ethnic groups.
In fact, Asian isn't even a race, it's a continent. There are many regions in Asia such as most of the Middle East, Turkestan, Indian Sub-continent, Siberia, and East and South-East Asia and they clearly aren't all of the same race.
I didn't wont to get into too much detail about the human aspect of my explanation. I know there serveral racial identities on Earth, but I was making it simple just to get my point across.
In light of other similar threads being bumped, I think this classic should be knocked back to the top of the charts.
Are you mad?????
I liked Monkey King sorcery.
Are you mad?????
Got competition from another thread, it's fun to update my old theory!
One Piece= Robin's dream? Seems weird to me. And I highly doubt that Oda thought about the Rio Poneglyph from Chapter uno.
Quite good theory and very plausible. I especially like the part about Luffy surpassing Roger as that is something which really would add to the value of Luffys Journey. It also doesn't expand too much on the existing universe and doesn't make any outrageos claims.
But what I would like you to eleborate on is whether you think he left the complete Rio Poneglyph on Raftel or whether the new pirate king would have to discover it themselves. For the later case only people who travel the exact route as Roger did would be able to achieve it.
And I highly doubt that Oda thought about the Rio Poneglyph from Chapter uno.
As far as I know Oda thought out most of the plot (at least the red line of the story, so the major parts including the ending) before even starting it.
As far as I know Oda thought out most of the plot (at least the red line of the story, so the major parts including the ending) before even starting it.
Gland Line, Red Line, Reverse Mountain, the crew. But most of the plot? Nah, doubt it.
One Piece= Robin's dream? Seems weird to me. And I highly doubt that Oda thought about the Rio Poneglyph from Chapter uno.
So you don't think the huge ancient civilization mystery plot that seems to revolve around metric assloads of content in the entire series is something he had in mind? lol
@Monkey:
So you don't think the huge ancient civilization mystery plot that seems to revolve around metric assloads of content in the entire series is something he had in mind? lol
One Piece could be something very simple. While this plot is VERY important, I just can't see it being stick with the manga's title.
On this picture:
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We have established every member of the crew except Robin which show that history wasn't that important in his mind since there is no "history guy" in the crew. Both Robin and Poneglyphs appears later in the series, it's kinda hard to tell when he planned it. And yea, One Piece being Robin's dream while she wasn't part of the crew in Oda's mind, I highly doubt it will happen.
Quite good theory and very plausible. I especially like the part about Luffy surpassing Roger as that is something which really would add to the value of Luffys Journey. It also doesn't expand too much on the existing universe and doesn't make any outrageos claims.
But what I would like you to eleborate on is whether you think he left the complete Rio Poneglyph on Raftel or whether the new pirate king would have to discover it themselves. For the later case only people who travel the exact route as Roger did would be able to achieve it.
This is new thinking on my part, mostly because of new things that we've seen.
I no longer think it's black and white regarding the WG and the Ancient Civilization.
I think the Gorusei are sincerely afraid of things that could be woke up. And hell we've always been aware of this since Alabasta, that some of those ancient things kept silent…could be horribly abused.
I think maybe the challenge Roger has left is to dissuade most people, to hopefully culminate in a worthy successor(s).
Like Whitebeard says to Blackbeard.
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Gland Line, Red Line, Reverse Mountain, the crew. But most of the plot? Nah, doubt it.
He has said on multiple occasions that he's always known the ending.
We've not talking about tiny plot details. We've talking about the huge overarching plot behind so much that is going on.
Which I'm SURE ties into some of the world's geography like the oddness of the Grand Line, the Reverse Mountain (which if you recall had weird old ruins arching over the East Blue entrance).
So I take that as: Only the specific Route Roger took will lead to the one piece?
One problem that I just remember is how Roger offered to tell Whitebeard where the One Piece is. So he somewhat was prepared to entrust everything to Whitebeard. I don't know the exact words but it was something like that.
One Piece could be something very simple. While this plot is VERY important, I just can't see it being stick with the manga's title.
You do know that even if One Piece is a piece of gum, that the Real Poneglyph is still waiting on Raftel?
It was all but confirmed by all the evidence we've seen from Robin on Skypiea to Whitebeard's lines. To even Rayleigh talking about Roger's crew looking into the history.
So what's really being argued is whether One Piece is the Real Poneglyph, or whether for some reason Oda just put the Real Poneglyph next to the "simple One Piece" that doesn't really need to exist except to satisfy nostalgic wierdos who apparently only enjoy One Piece based on what they remember of the first couple of volumes.
On this picture:
! http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110710220617/onepiece/images/e/ef/Early_Crew.png
You know that was made several entire years before the series even started right?
We have established every member of the crew except Robin
Most of their dreams have little to nothing to do with each-other already, so what's your point? A "simple One Piece" wouldn't involve most of those dreams anyway. In fact it would only involve ONE. Luffy's.
If involving more Strawhat Dreams makes for a better One Piece, than the Real Poneglyph is one of the best.
Luffy's dream is the journey there, and such an ancient conflict would no doubt involve his D line.
Robin, duh.
Sanji's could easily be involved.
which show that history wasn't that important in his mind since there is no "history guy" in the crew.
Wait….what? When do you mean.
Both Robin and Poneglyphs appears later in the series,
The Utopia plot is introduced in Volume 13 (and Robin for that matter).
In case you aren't paying attention we're at 70 and only just got on the second half of the Grand Line.
The Baroque Works plot is not later in the series, it is early in the series. All the more true of Whiskey Peak.
You're definitely revealing some sort of silly fetishizing of the East Blue stories as some sort of purer betterer One Piece, which is just silly.
it's kinda hard to tell when he planned it. And yea, One Piece being Robin's dream while she wasn't part of the crew in Oda's mind, I highly doubt it will happen.
It doesn't look like Roger's crew had any such person either, and that Roger himself was following the history.
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So I take that as: Only the specific Route Roger took will lead to the one piece?
One problem that I just remember is how Roger offered to tell Whitebeard where the One Piece is. So he somewhat was prepared to entrust everything to Whitebeard. I don't know the exact words but it was something like that.
Rayleigh was ready as well, and it's exactly Rayleigh's words that tell us that there is more to the story than getting to Raftel. That there are other things that must occur.
He all but said that the crew might not even know what to do with what they find on Raftel.
Suggesting as I've said the complicated nature of the last island and it's revelations.
Also consider that, while it's Luffy's goal to find One Piece because that's an adventure, that's not his dream at all. His actual dream is just to have fun adventures living as a pirate (which he's doing) to be acknowledged by Shanks, and to simply to be the free-est guy on the sea.
He cares about the title because in his mind that means freedom, but he also wants to see the whole world and all the weird stuff in it. He doesn't care about the treasure at the end, he's in it for the adventure.
He's slowly being conditioned to accept responsibility though as he makes his way along. (He stated very clearly on Skypeia and Fishman Island he doesn't want to be a hero… but... he's gotta defend his friends!)
One Piece could be something very simple. While this plot is VERY important, I just can't see it being stick with the manga's title.
On this picture:
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We have established every member of the crew except Robin which show that history wasn't that important in his mind since there is no "history guy" in the crew. Both Robin and Poneglyphs appears later in the series, it's kinda hard to tell when he planned it. And yea, One Piece being Robin's dream while she wasn't part of the crew in Oda's mind, I highly doubt it will happen.
The series was originally only going to be 5 years long. Obviously the little details have changed since the start. Heck, even in that early sketch Sanji (then Naruto) had a much more finalized design than what Usopp would have… and Usopp showed up only 6 months into the serialization, and before Sanji. (Not to mention Brook existing even from the start, and it taking almost eight years to pay off Laboon...) And obviously Franky changed radically in the decade it took him to show up.
Details change, and the story grows in the telling.
But the big, main story? Oda's had that in mind all along.
Maybe when it was only a 5 year adventure there wasn't a need to fully explore the backstory there becuase it would be reached quickly enough, but by the time Robin first appeared in chapter 114 (only 2 years into the series! Only months after Sanji, and before Chopper, Franky, Brook and Jinbe! ) and joined (4 years in) , Oda had clearly realized the story was bigger than expected and he needed that role filled.
I also think there is more to the story then just hearing what Roger discovered and getting to Raftel. So Rogers offer would be like Rayleighs: just presenting their findings and the way to Raftel.
Because otherwise it wouldn't make much sense in your theory to only offer the way to Raftel without the other having folled the string of Poneglyphs like Robin described them.
What we're really missing is the responsibility attached to finding one piece, should the crew reveal the information to the public? Or act alone upon what they find? It would be silly if the poneglyphs were solely the ancient kingdom leaving their story behind for someone to avenge them, and we still have no idea what motives each side had for acting as they did.
Really nice compilation/ structuring of the theory. I guess all you need now is some form of closure in in the manga before getting really specific.
@Monkey:
Got competition from another thread, it's fun to update my old theory!
This works so wonderfully with your avatar and user title, carry on friend.
What if One Piece was actually an ancient evil that would wreak havoc upon the world when unleashed?
What if Roger was just a blundering idiot like Luffy who had no idea what he was doing, or how close he came to dooming the human race?
What if the 5 elder stars are genuinely acting in the world's best interest by preventing fools from resurrecting something far more sinister than anyone can imagine?
What if Luffy opens a Pandora's Box that the World Government spent tremendous efforts to seal away for the good of society?
What if One Piece was actually an ancient evil that would wreak havoc upon the world when unleashed?
What if Roger was just a blundering idiot like Luffy who had no idea what he was doing, or how close he came to dooming the human race?
What if the 5 elder stars are genuinely acting in the world's best interest by preventing fools from resurrecting something far more sinister than anyone can imagine?
What if Luffy opens a Pandora's Box that the World Government spent tremendous efforts to seal away for the good of society?
There's been absolutely zero foreshadowing for that, and that would in fact, be counterproductive to everything being built up about the current marine and government organization… including the nice guys like Kuzan and Smoker having to maybe break from the system in order to do whats actually right.
The existence of ancient weapons is part and partial to the lost history, (one of whom was a mermaid princess) there's something about devil fruits, and something about space aliens... but pretty much nothing to indicate that the government is actually in the right. Some of them are protecting innocents, sure, but when the likes of Aikanu are in charge, and the Tenryubiito are the highest of World Nobles.... that's a system that needs to be beaten down, which we'll get by the end of the series.
I have to figure finding OP will be closer to the 9/10 mark of the story than the actual end, and the reprecussions of it will lead into a 2 or 3 year long finale. Cause you just know Oda is going to bring in every damn character in the series ever for final cameos during the war that encompasses the world.
Gather the information on the Poneglyphs…
...connect the puzzle pieces...
...back in One Piece...
...and finding the True History...
is the real treasure
When you say that Roger was looking for someone worthy does that mean someone with the ability to "hear the voice of all things"? If not even if someone found the Rio poneglyph unless they were Nico Robin it would useless, and Roger couldn't have foreseen the only person in the world able to read poneglyphs joining the crew of the next Pirate King. Another thing, you speculate that the Rio Poneglyph is on Raftel, but I thought that the one on Raftel was the final one, which combined with every other poneglyph makes the Rio poneglyph, is that wrong?
When you say that Roger was looking for someone worthy does that mean someone with the ability to "hear the voice of all things"? If not even if someone found the Rio poneglyph unless they were Nico Robin it would useless, and Roger couldn't have foreseen the only person in the world able to read poneglyphs joining the crew of the next Pirate King.
Roger couldn't read them himself, but the gist by "worthy person" is someone who would be responsible with the information, and perhaps be the one able to act on it.
So NOT Blackbeard lol.
Another thing, you speculate that the Rio Poneglyph is on Raftel, but I thought that the one on Raftel was the final one, which combined with every other poneglyph makes the Rio poneglyph, is that wrong?
The Real Poneglyph is the concept of the completed story, Robin first said it didn't yet exist. But then from what she read on Skypiea found out Roger was doing what she was and piecing that picture together. And then in asking Rayleigh she finds out that perhaps it's best to connect the dots for ones self, because as Rayleigh said "You might come to a different conclusion than we did". Most likely Raftel has either one final Poneglyph on it that Roger was looking for, or the combined conclusions and knowledge he found. Or most likely of all, both.
I thought the answer was there the whole time (well at least for me), One Piece ain't treasure but instead is the True History, which becomes a One Piece once you gather all the information together but Roger also found an ancient weapon which he moved somewhere safe (according to Shiki) it was two years before Roger conquered the grand line, where could he have moved that weapon? It wasn't Shirahoshi since she wasn't born yet and the power was still awaiting for the new host, Pluton is said to be in Alabasta but Roger read all the Poneglyphs, so could he had taken Pluton out of Alabasta, I know is kinda crazy but he was in the game way before Robin and he wanted to trow the world upside down, so we got to consider any possibilities and finally is Uranus which we don't know nothing about but the Ponegliphs do, so If the weapon that Roger had wasn't Pluton then it was Uranus in which case the weapon information can be found way before reaching Raftel
I may be suffering from memory loss, but where does shiki say Roger had an ancient weapon?
I may be suffering from memory loss, but where does shiki say Roger had an ancient weapon?
Shiki was assuming that the One Piece was weapon.