Originally posted by Yoska+Mar 25 2005, 08:25 AM–>QUOTE(Yoska @ Mar 25 2005, 08:25 AM)
Chapter 360 "Soon to be Sailing Out" Discussion
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**I think it would be much more nice if Oda gives chapter 358 all of the flashback and end it there.
The next chapter should be how Chopper escape the rubble and how he got one of Zoro's sword, saving Paulie and Iceburg and dragging them out of the burning building, then to what finally happen to Sanji, on that what happens to Robin, then what happen to Zoro, him swimming out of the ocean, taking bad turn and getting stuck in the chiminy AND THEN what happens to Luffy which would be much nicer if he's stuck inside Yokozuna's belly, And shift to Ussop getting harressed by Kaku and force to wacth his ship fell into the ocean.
Then Chapter 360 should get the arc moving. It seems that Oda must have had his ideas drying up or ever since he got married, his mind is too rushed to detailed the storyline.**
I think what Oda was trying to do was have a nicer transition back to current time from the flashback. It works well because just the last page or two showing Chopper saving Ice and Paulie gives us a nice lead to the following chapter. In regards to finding out how Chopper escapes the rubble, gets the sword, finds Iceburg..etc..etc I think that showing all the details for each Strawhat would have slowed down the pace quite a bit. I mean, we're given all the info that we NEED to know and that's kind of good enough for me. I do think the reveals of Luffy and Zoro were kind of rushed, but I find that kind of interesting only because the forums have been trying to guess where they've been at for the longest time…only to find the answer wasn't anywhere close to the truth. Only to find it was so much simpler than our guesses. Just goes to show, we never know what to expect when it comes to OP. :D
Oh yeah, my vote goes for Franky joining. I just think he's lot more interesting at this point. We don't really know enough about Paulie right now. I just think the dynamics of character interaction between Franky and each of the Strawhats would be a lot of fun to watch/read.
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I agree with all of that. Some of the stuff that we missed could always be used for filler.
Originally posted by lucciano_minhawk@Mar 25 2005, 12:52 AM
**franky cons
too circus
a cyborg
too crazy
too many brothers
hates luffy
gay when old
it would have been better if he was younger[snapback]20353[/snapback]**
Exactly why I like Franky. He's a change of pace from your usual "cool" goggle wearing shonen guy.
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It's better to wait a see who's the next Crewmember, guessing it now can be of an overhype. Let's wait and see because we never know what Oda has stored for us. :D
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What? What would be the point of a flashback for that? Chopper was under rubble in the building. He somehow managed to get out and save the both of them.
Are you honestly saying you'd like to have pages wasted on detailing that rather than advancing the current story?
That's like asking Oda to explain us how Nami, Vivi and Zoro got free of the candle wax.
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Yeah, I seriously don't understand that. All that you need is Chopper saving them, Usopp was going to get his ass handed to him by CP9 anyway, Luffy was knocked into the wall, Zoro got out of the ocean and fell into a chimney. Bam.
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Originally posted by Cap'n Carter@Mar 25 2005, 11:03 AM
Yeah, I seriously don't understand that. All that you need is Chopper saving them, Usopp was going to get his ass handed to him by CP9 anyway, Luffy was knocked into the wall, Zoro got out of the ocean and fell into a chimney. Bam.
[snapback]20495[/snapback]I've always liked the suprising "DON" scenes. Intstead of saying "oh, Chopper's free now," we were able to say "holy….!! Chopper's the best reindeer ever!"
But Zoro ending up in a chimney? I'd like that explained.
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Omae and Capt' Carter, relax will ya. It's just my though but like Yoska said it won't be any cooler. So just skech out what I said back then.
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I don't want a flashback of everything that Chopper did. What's done is done. Let's move on with the story.
My initial post dealt more with the fact that I think Oda rushed elements along rather than resolving them like he layed out. It just seemed rushed to the point of messing with continuity. For instance, wasn't Nami grabbed by Galley-La. What happened to those guys and how did Chopper end up with her? That's my point.
There were many hanging plot threads, some of which were separate from one another. Oda just tied everything up in a single panel. It's kind of disappointing and looks rushed to me.
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Originally posted by Buccaneer+Mar 25 2005, 09:08 AM–>QUOTE(Buccaneer @ Mar 25 2005, 09:08 AM)
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He doesn't have to do anything, really. It just doesn't make sense is all. It's not like it's possible to bounce off of water.
And I see what you mean, Gunmetal. We'd been waiting to see what happened for months, and then it all got wrapped up in the last two chapters.
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Originally posted by GunMetal: Reloaded@Mar 25 2005, 09:12 AM
**I don't want a flashback of everything that Choppder did. What's done is done. Let's move on with the story.My initial post dealt more with the fact that I think Oda rushed elements along rather than resolving them like he layed out. It just seemed rushed to the point of messing with continuity. For instance, wasn't Nami grabbed by Galley-La. What happened to those guys and how did Chopper end up with her? That's my point.
There were many hanging plot threads, some of which were separate from one another. Oda just tied everything up in a single panel. It's kind of disappointing and looks rushed to me.
[snapback]20503[/snapback]**Well, what do you expect? For everthing I just describe to happen? I think it's because you were Overhyped which is why you'r disappointed
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I think that we're all antsy because most of us have no f'ing clue what they're saying…
Anyway, I'm not so fond of this upcoming Eneas Lobby battle. To be completely honest, I hope Sanji does his thing and kick enough ass so that the train isn't operational. I'm much more of a fan of a Luffy v. Lucci battle on top of the Water 7 fountain than any more delaying the eventual fight between CP9 and the SHPC. It just seems so cliche that the Straw Hats are going to 'the one place that no pirate crew has ever escaped', beat CP9, the Marines, and Spandam into the ground, and escape with Franky, Ussop, and (as some people suggested on this board) Tom.
In fact, I'm going to go with an educated guess. Yokozuno finally wins his battle against the train and strands the Puffing Tom at Water 7. You've heard it here first.
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That's what happens. If it's done well enough, the cliche thing won't be much of an issue.
….Two DF users fighting on top of a fountain?
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Originally posted by Buccaneer@Mar 25 2005, 12:08 PM
But Zoro ending up in a chimney? I'd like that explained.
[snapback]20500[/snapback]It's Zoro.
Most likely, Zoro swam out of the ocean and was following Luffy's voice at first, but as he was unable to see Luffy, he had to rely on his legendary sense of direction to find his captain. As a result, he got lost and wound up in a chimney.
Notice that he's even on the wrong building and none of the buildings around even really look like the two Luffy's stuck between.
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Zoro said he slipped so…
My little rough illustration of what has happened:
Originally posted by GunMetal
It's kind of disappointing and looks rushed to me.Yeah, I understand you. It felt a bit rushed but I think it's a sacrifice to get story moving again.
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Haha! I don't think the water was at roof level, though…
I knew it was too rough. I meant he first climbed out from the water and then to the roof :P.
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Haha! I don't think the water was at roof level, though…
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Originally posted by Yoska@Mar 25 2005, 11:34 AM
**Zoro said he slipped so…My little rough illustration of what has happened:
[snapback]20516[/snapback]**That has made my day so far. :lol:
But, yeah, I don't see anything wrong with fighting on the outer rim of the uber-fountain that Water 7 has. I mean, Luffy fought on pieces of floating ship before, and I'm sure that Lucci is man enough to fight on a slippery surface to kick some ass.
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I really like your illustration Yoska :lol: that's must be what have happened to Zoro :lol: now we all know :D
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Originally posted by SuperJew@Mar 25 2005, 11:40 AM
But, yeah, I don't see anything wrong with fighting on the outer rim of the uber-fountain that Water 7 has. I mean, Luffy fought on pieces of floating ship before, and I'm sure that Lucci is man enough to fight on a slippery surface to kick some ass.
[snapback]20521[/snapback]Look how big transformed Lucci is. Even if he was able to swim, balancing would be a bitch, making for an awkward fight.
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Hang on a sec… Did CP9 ever actually get the plans? Or did they just decide to leave with Franky.
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On top of the Water 7 fountain would be a fantastic setting for a final fight, I agree. I doubt balance or anything'll be a problem, seeing as how it's a friggin huge fountain. But then again, I know whatever Oda pulls I'll be happy with.
I usually have some prediction up for whatever's going to happen next, but I'll admit I'm at a loss this time.
Oh, and they didn't get the plans yet: That's why they're taking Franky to Spandam, for him to use his mad questioning skills. Or something.
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Originally posted by Buccaneer+Mar 25 2005, 09:48 AM–>QUOTE(Buccaneer @ Mar 25 2005, 09:48 AM)
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The keywords are "even if."
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Well, it seems I'm a little late here but I'll put in my weekly two cents.
I'm glad to see the all of the present time's questions of immenent immportance have been answered (essentially where everyone is at). I find it funny that Luffy has been having a lot of trouble in Water Seven as far as getting stuck in buildings is concerned. Zoro in the chimney… beautiful. I was wondering how long it would be before we see Sanji act like a fool. Glad to see it wasn't too long a wait. All in all, I was happy to see that Oda got the ball rolling on the story as well as reminded us that One Piece can get pretty intense but still make you laugh at the same time.
As for how quick Oda resolved all these threads, I wasn't dissapointed nor did I think it appropriate to show every little detail. Maybe we'll get a few panels of the mouse waking Chopper or something, but I wouldn't expect much there. I do however think we will definatly get an explaination of Zoro's trip down the chimney. It seems clear now that he was the one who made the splash so you know the story between then and the chimney will be way to funny for Oda to ignore.
As for the new crew, well I've said it before and I'll say it again. Paulie will be joining, I have little doubt of this. While I like Franky as much as anyone, we all really know everything about Franky. Paulie on the other hand is clearly going to be a major player in the upcoming chapters and we know little about him though we've been given a few hints. I can't see Oda introducing this character as well as his quirks, have the guy fight alongside the crew, then just go home without much else told. And as for him being only able to work on the Mast and Rigging, people, that is his specialty. If a head shipwright doesn't know anything else about shipbuilding, then essentially all of Water Seven's shipwrights, except for Ice and Franky, are totally inept except for when they work together. Seems highly unlikely to me considering this is the ship building capital of the world. Also thought I'd point out to those non-sailors out there, the mast is the pole that holds the main sail, and the rigging is all the ropes which are used to control the mast and sails. So Paulie's specialty is in the boats rig, and his weapon involves ropes. Seems pretty fitting to me though many seem to think its pretty lame.
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Maybe the new ship will have a bunch of masts which Paulie, as a "master of masts", would be the ideal person to take care of the ship?
Yoska, I hereby nominate you as our resident One Piece illustrator for the board. Who needs translations when we can have Yoska just draw for us his interpretation of events? :lol: You RULE, man!
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Seems pretty fitting to me though many seem to think its pretty lame.
His use is less than impressive; he just swings people by whatever he's wrapped. Unless you have Lucci-like strength, any idiot with working limbs will find a way to overcome that technique. And he throws the rope with knives attached. Anyone remember playing Helicopter as a kid?
I'd like to him use his brain more for attacks, like integrating steel balls in and using swinging momentum for attacks.
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Originally posted by Buccaneer@Mar 25 2005, 01:48 PM
I'd like to him use his brain more for attacks, like integrating steel balls in and using swinging momentum for attacks.
[snapback]20545[/snapback]Yeah, that would be neat. I also see his skills coming in handy in other areas like if the Straw Hats needed to climb up a mountain or down into a hole. Or if they needed to swing between buildings or latched onto moving vehicles (like a Sea Train perhaps?).
I definitely want to see him go like ape sh!t at one point and turn a whole room into one big ropey spiderweb with weapons and CP9 people bound and hanging from eveywhere.
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Exactly. There's so many awesome things to do with ropes. Though, Franky would be just as good with climbing mountains and going down holes. :P
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Originally posted by Buccaneer@Mar 25 2005, 12:48 PM
**> Seems pretty fitting to me though many seem to think its pretty lame.His use is less than impressive; he just swings people by whatever he's wrapped. Unless you have Lucci-like strength, any idiot with working limbs will find a way to overcome that technique. And he throws the rope with knives attached. Anyone remember playing Helicopter as a kid?
I'd like to him use his brain more for attacks, like integrating steel balls in and using swinging momentum for attacks.
[snapback]20545[/snapback]**I agree that the attacks we've seen so far aren't all too impressive, but let's remember the guy has barely had any screen time yet. I know in the coming battle we'll see him break out several new attacks some of which I'm sure will be pretty damn cool, then all the haters will be in love.
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Well, you'd think he'd use one of his better moves on Lucci, given all that's happened, and going by that, you can kinda get the feel on how effective his style is.
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I will be much relieved when the whole Pauly v. Franky debate is finally put to rest. :P
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Originally posted by Buccaneer@Mar 25 2005, 02:29 PM
Well, you'd think he'd use one of his better moves on Lucci, given all that's happened, and going by that, you can kinda get the feel on how effective his style is.
[snapback]20558[/snapback]See, I always saw that as an argument in favor of Pauly myself; he has a lot of room to grow as a character in strength and personality. He can learn new techniques and fighting styles while Franky is somewhat limited to upgrades because of his cyborg nature.
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Not that he definitely would. Sanji has a lot of room for develpoment, but he never really grows as a fighter. Franky is a bit limited, but an occasional upgrade could be cool. He could probably modify his arms for special situations.
….This thread will eventually become "Franky vs. Paulie II." :lol:
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Originally posted by Buccaneer@Mar 25 2005, 03:13 PM
….This thread will eventually become "Franky vs. Paulie II." :lol:
[snapback]20586[/snapback]Haha, why not? Their names sound like I-talian American boxers from Philly.
"Yo Nami-san!" -
It's more like "Franky VS Pauly XXVII" :P.
Although I love Pauly's style I still have my little beef with it but it's stupid so I'm not going into it.
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I say we all go to that thread until this chapter's translated.
Been watching Rocky GunMetal? :lol:
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TAHAHAHAAHAHAAH!!!!…!!!....!!!...!!!...!!!
great pic Yoska.
i think that regarding Luffy and Zoro we'll get the explanations when the rest find them, but as it is it's kinda disapointing (funny, i think it's first time in OP i feel this way). Chopper was perfect.
and after seeing him leading the shipwright trying to find zoro makes clear to me: he will rule the world.
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what i would like to say is that i
m 99% sure that it will be Franky who will be the next crewmemmber… why? becouse he said that he will one day built a great ship, so i think that it will be a ship like Gold Roger
s... so of course he will built a new ship for luffys crew... the second thing is that his the best in bulding ships (his teacher was Tom after all) even better than Paulie... but you can
t be sure what oda will came up with hehe peace!! -
Speaking of all this Franky vs. Pauly, bickeri.. uh, 'friendly' discussion. I wonder how the mods will deal with the fallout, when the next crew member is decided upon?
It'll be chaos on the forums, not doubt about it. Emotions will be high, after months & months of speculation, everything will likely to culminate in one chapter, one massive discussion thread, fanboys & girls will be on a knife's edge. Hah! it's sort of scary just thinking about it. :unsure:
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Franky this, Paulie that, relax, guys, we won´t know it until Oda decides it, and that´s all…Is there any translation?
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I dunno if I'm the only one who's thought of this, but…
It's possible that Franky and Paulie might BOTH join...AT THE SAME TIME...
I mean...think about it...Paulie was one of the 5 great Galley-La shipwrights...he can fix anything really though...
Franky is just a dismantler...
So Paulie becomes their Shipwright...HOWEVER...
Wasn't Franky playing the guitar in his hide-out after Usopp had told them what happened?
Didn't Luffy also say he wanted a musician?
Franky could be that musician!
The thing is, it's really too close to tell right now...But that's something to ponder a bit...
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Originally posted by Magax The Great@Mar 25 2005, 04:27 PM
**I dunno if I'm the only one who's thought of this, but…It's possible that Franky and Paulie might BOTH join...AT THE SAME TIME...
I mean...think about it...Paulie was one of the 5 great Galley-La shipwrights...he can fix anything really though...
Franky is just a dismantler...
So Paulie becomes their Shipwright...HOWEVER...
Wasn't Franky playing the guitar in his hide-out after Usopp had told them what happened?
Didn't Luffy also say he wanted a musician?
Franky could be that musician!
The thing is, it's really too close to tell right now...But that's something to ponder a bit...
[snapback]20618[/snapback]**I'm all for them both joining but I don't see it happening. Franky would definatly fulfil the musician portion, though I'm still not sure as to how good he is supposed to be. I guess we must wait for the anime to find out. I do think that Franky will build the next ship as his dream is to build a ship that can withstand anything and traverse the whole Grand Line ala his mentor Tom. But I think Paulie will end up being the shipwright and Franky will just build the ship then stay with Water Seven much like Tom. I must say though, I do like how Oda has introduced two very competent shipwrights and lets us all do the speculation.
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I don't think they'll ever get a musician, or Oda won't be able to use the musician joke anymore. Or maybe he will because Luffy's just that dense.
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OK, since there's no translation yet…even after a full day! I'll do a crappy one. This is based on the Chinese scanlation, so...it's probably screwed up somehow, and on top of that, add my screwups, of names, sounds, and words...and well, this is just to tide you over until someone does a real one. The questionmarks mean something I don't understand or don't think is the right translation.
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Water 7 Blue Station
Attention, CP9 will be arriving soon (?)
Nico Robin
Get her on the Sea Train firstPage 2
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Don't slack around, hurry up and get er on the train!!!
Yessir!
Hehe, I chased after you for 20 years
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Finally giving up?
The government's officials, marines, and a general (?)
What should I do next?
On me, there are darkness you do not know.
No matter how I look at it, she's being forced to go.
But someone as powerful as her can surely escape on her own.
Does she have another reason?
Is there something keeping her from escaping?Page 3
Sorry for making you wait my lady!
I have been waiting for you, Mr. Pince!
Maybe she's not escaping on purpose so I can go rescue her? huhuhuh
Huhuhuh...hai..hai..hai
Mr. Corgi! It's CP9!
Hey, it's Mr. Lucci.
So strong looking, so that's the CP9.
Where are you taking me?!
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I'm never going to forgive you jerks!!!
Usopp?
...Page 4
Thanks for working so hard on the long term assignment!!!
Mr. Lucci, please put on this coat.
Don't try to suck up.
This isn't a game, so raise you spirits. (?)
Lets all get on the train!Page 5
Everyone please get on the Sea Train.
Ready to depart for Eneas Lobby!
Let me go!!!
ARGH!!!
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Being a headache for us now, even after leaving (betraying) us. (?)
What a bother....(?)Page 6
Gallera Company
What?! Robin isn't againt us after all!?!
That's right! So, we should go look for Luffy and gang so we can go rescue her.
Ah...
A racoon?
A racoon?
A racoon?
Alright!!! Let's GO!!! Where are they?!!!!
We don't know...that's why we're going to go search.
Alright!!! I'm going to give my best!!!
Ah!!! He changed to a giant monkey (I bet it should be monster, probably)!!!
Hold on a min...
!!!Page 6
Gallera Company
What?! Robin isn't againt us after all!?!
That's right! So, we should go look for Luffy and gang so we can go rescue her.
Ah...
A racoon?
A racoon?
A racoon?
Alright!!! Let's GO!!! Where are they?!!!!
We don't know...that's why we're going to go search.
Alright!!! I'm going to give my best!!!
Ah!!! He changed to a giant monkey (I bet it should be monster, probably)!!!
Hold on a min...
!!!Page 7
Chasing Nico Robin is your business, but the sea train departs for Eneas Lobby at 11pm.
There's a high possibility that they'll be on this train.
After that, the sea train will stop operations for an hour because of the aqua laguna.
What?! That means...?!
If you miss the train, and since you can't go out on a ship in an aqua laguna, you'll be stuck on this island for a while.
Wha?! No way! What time is it now?!
10:30pm.
Only 30 more minutes?!
Is there anyway we can delay the sea train?!!Page 8
The destination of the sea train is Eneas Lobby, a government facility where no outsiders are allowed.
The conductor is also a government employee, even if I said anything, he won't listen.
What?!
If that's the case, then we must go to the train station!
Chopper!! Use your nose and search different directions! Who knows where Luffy and Zoro landed.
Hmn! I got it!
Hey...you people!
Ah, Mr. Paulie, are you alright?
I need you guys
to help this lady.
Huh!!!?Page 9
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Paulie said we should help them. But they're the criminals that wants to kill Iceburg!
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We should capture them first! We still don't know the where abouts of Lucci and Kaku!
The assassins weren't of the Strawhat crew!!!!
These people are innocent, they were setup by the assassins!!!
We falsely accused them!!!
Not sure who the people in the masks were...
But strawhat helped us fight them!
Ah!!!
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The reason that Mr. Iceburg and I are still alive, is because of them!!!
...!!!Page 10
And there's no need to search for Lucci or Kaku...they're...not going to be coming back...
Ah!? You know what happened to them?!
...They went home.
At such an desperate time?!
Quit yapping! Hurry up and go search for the strawhat!
Hey, slutty girl!! (?)
Ah..!! Wait, you can't call me that!
Let's goto the station, I'll show the way!
Ah, thanks.
Paulie, wait...
Is what you just said all true..?!
DON'T JUST YAP AROUND AND LISTEN HERE! (?)
DO YOU WANT TO EMBARRASE THE GALLERA COMPANY?!Page 11
Y..Yessir!
Sorry!!!
Please give us an order! We'll also help!!
Let out the bull and open the gate!!!
Went home huh...
...It'd be disastrous to tell them.
...These memories, it's enough if only we remember them.
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HEYYY!!!!!Page 12
HEYYY!!!! LUFFY!!!
ZORO!!!
SANJI!!!
Come back Usopp!!!
Everyone call out!
HEYYY!!!! LUFFY!!!
ZORO!!!
SANJI!!!
Come back Usopp!!!
Turn at that water route,
it's a shortcut to the station!Page 13
Only 20 minutes left.
Don't leave Robin!!
What nonesense about sacraficing self...!! We're not going to let you...!!!
Bull, please hurry up!
Sea Train departing at 11pm
This train will leave Water 7
And travel to Eneas Lobby.Page 14
Stay here and keep you mouth shut!
That hurt! Ah!
That hurt!!!
You bastards don't mess with me!!! (?)
Yeah bastards!!
You government trash!!
Hey, hey, stop that!
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Because of the aque leguna, the time for departure is moved up. The train will depart immediately.
Punks, trying to leave...!!!Page 15
Our job...
Is pretty much completed.
We have to keep our guard up before we arrive.
Punk. (?)
...Sorry...
If you miss this train, you won't get off this island for a while...
I beg you
hurry up.
Iceburg says "you ok" to his rat...I think. Don't quote me on it.
...Page 16
Strawhat kid!!!
Rononoa Zoro!!!
LUFFY!! ZORO!! SANJI!!
Come back Usopp!
What are Luffy and the others up to?
how come they still haven't gotten on the train...
The train is about to depart
Chuuuchuuu!! (?)Page 17
Dammit!
Those jerks! I'll never forgive them!
Damn, I'm stuck...
Ma...
I slipped, what a pain!
Stuck here...
Train is about to depart
Strawhat kid!!
Rononoa Zoro!!
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Haha, I was wondering why Chopper got so angry on page 7.
Thanks Zede, hope to read the rest soon.
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Nothing really happened in this chapter…. but at least we know where Luffy and Zoro are! (ha ha!!) Oh well... if anything, this just makes me more anxious for 361. o__o
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Thanks Zede, that shines at least a little more light on things. ^_^
So Pauly is sort of covering up for Lucci and Kaku? Is it because he doesn't want to tarnish Galley-La's reputation, or he still has hopes that the guys he thought were his friends will be redeemed?
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I think Paulie just wants to forget it. Anyway, done with the translation. That was fun. heh.
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Thanks a lot. :D I guess Oda wanted to give the readers a little bit of comic relief after all that tension.