But Kumadori also used Life Return to make his hair come alive and do things that hair doesn't normally do…a good Life Return user could possibly do extra things with a Zoan fruit when thought about this way.
General Devil Fruit Discussion
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But Kumadori also used Life Return to make his hair come alive and do things that hair doesn't normally do…a good Life Return user could possibly do extra things with a Zoan fruit when thought about this way.
Well yeah, Lucci used Life Return to make his hybrid form smaller.
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But Kumadori also used Life Return to make his hair come alive and do things that hair doesn't normally do…a good Life Return user could possibly do extra things with a Zoan fruit when thought about this way.
this is specifically why i thought chopper was sent to where he was because of the extensive library with the animal/human issue
i wouldnt be surprised if we find out the whole life return and hair control thing is the basis for advanced zoan fighting and or transformations
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Yeah…...let me break this down.
Smoker only got hit by Luffy in Alabasta because the latter came crashing through a doorway, totally catching the former off guard.
And why would Smoker need smoke nearby to transform? That's like saying Ace needed fire nearby to transform, or BB needs darkness nearby. Not plausible, because part of a Logia user's strength is generate their element from their body, in nearly any situation.
It's not like that actually.. I think it makes less sense that they can only do it at will, by your theory when a sniper shot a logia with regular bullets and caught him off guard, it would be able to kill him. Which is wrong.
I stand by each one having a weakness, though.. Guess we'll see later on?And kizaru having trouble with darkness is also, just a theory.
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It's not like that actually.. I think it makes less sense that they can only do it at will, by your theory when a sniper shot a logia with regular bullets and caught him off guard, it would be able to kill him. Which is wrong.
Yes, but logia users can train themselves to turn into their element on pure reflex, like Crocodile.
I agree with your weakness point, though.
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Yes, but logia users can train themselves to turn into their element on pure reflex, like Crocodile.
I agree with your weakness point, though.
I said this awhile ago concerning crocodile but everyone thought I was twisting the statement he makes about "honing his abilities to perfection" to fit my own means. So whatever.
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Yes, but logia users can train themselves to turn into their element on pure reflex, like Crocodile.
I agree with your weakness point, though.
Some like Croc, who would most likely always be on his guard, as that is how he is as he doesn't trust anyone. If they are in that mindset where they are in a place where they can expect an attack, then they will obviously be in that mode where they can turn into their element by reflex. i.e. Akainu getting slashed in have by Croc
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All zoans have their own hybrid forms, but they vary a lot. Miss Merrychristmas, for example, just got a mole nose and claws. The CP9 zoans all had hybrid forms that were more influenced by the animal side. Chopper's hybrid form is totally off the wall with how small it is.
So Marco's hybrid form has less visual change than some others, but that doesn't mean that he somehow has access to a second, more birdlike hybrid form. He showed with Kizaru's first attack that the flames heal him in hybrid form just fine. Also, Oda has said in a recent SBS that his fire isn't hot.
Pell had a form like that, can't see why Marco would be different.
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Yes, but logia users can train themselves to turn into their element on pure reflex, like Crocodile.
I agree with your weakness point, though.
But if smoker could use it on pure reflex, wouldn't he have just phased luffy through him ?
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It's strange how their are no Zoan devil fruit, that take the form of One Piece only animals, like Kung Fou Dugong fruit, or South Bird fruit.
I think it would be an interesting idea to have things like this. South Bird Fruit would be pretty damn awesome
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It's strange how their are no Zoan devil fruit, that take the form of One Piece only animals, like Kung Fou Dugong fruit, or South Bird fruit.
I think it would be an interesting idea to have things like this. South Bird Fruit would be pretty damn awesome
Or if there was a devil that turned into one of the strange animals that was on Gaimon's island, Rooster dog fruit or hippo gorilla would be awesome.
Also I'm guessing from what was displayed in the last chapter that logia defense can be turned on and off; I seriously doubt that everyone who made contact with him was infusing themselves with Haki.
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But if smoker could use it on pure reflex, wouldn't he have just phased luffy through him ?
He's not the same level as Crocodile. And again, Luffy had caught him off guard back in Alabasta.
In Logue Town, Luffy couldn't touch Smoker.
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We din´t saw lucci transforming separete body parts..
and Rob is a well trained Zoan user (i think)Not compared to Marco or a Vice Admiral.
@Metalmario
You know the whole Croc honing his reflex thing is a translation error right. He was just talking about developing interesting techniques intead of just depending on the fruit. Not whether or not the defense is voluntary, automatic, or whatever.
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You know the whole Croc honing his reflex thing is a translation error right. He was just talking about developing interesting techniques intead of just depending on the fruit. Not whether or not the defense is voluntary, automatic, or whatever.
Oh snap, I didn't know that. (Wouldn't be the first time a translation error tricked me)
I guess my points to senor about Crocodile's fruit are moot now? Ah well, the point that Smoker's fruit isn't dependent on smoke in the environment to function still stands, the opposite of which he first suggested.
Also, thanks for the heads up.
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And..what is the "element" of Caribou´s Logia Df ?
mud ?
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we saw Kaku using his Df..but he just ate the Df..(so he had no time to show us a good way to use that power)
but..Marco´s Df is a mystique Type..(a rare one)
Rob,on the other hand,have a normal zoan,
and about pierre ?
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Caribou ate the Blood Blood Fruit.
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so ..before the Logia Power of Akainu was confirmed as magma
everybody thought it was a Blood Logia..
now Caribou have this "Blood Logia Meme"one question:
in the W7 arc..when luffy fight franky for the first time
theres was a joke about a "Fire Spiting DF"
..Kidd have a crew mamber that can spit fire..
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I doubt it is a blood logia as wouldn't the colouring be darker? Same goes for mud. Someone suggested a fat fruit, gross but fitting. I reckon it is a slime fruit
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I doubt it is a blood logia as wouldn't the colouring be darker? Same goes for mud. Someone suggested a fat fruit, gross but fitting. I reckon it is a slime fruit
or snot snot fruit..
which is a lot more gross
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so ..before the Logia Power of Akainu was confirmed as magma
everybody thought it was a Blood Logia..
now Caribou have this "Blood Logia Meme"one question:
in the W7 arc..when luffy fight franky for the first time
theres was a joke about a "Fire Spiting DF"
..Kidd have a crew mamber that can spit fire..
any link ?Maybe he's a mythical zoan? Or perhaps he's another cyborg.
He doesn't look human. He almost looks like Hawkins in his straw man form.
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Breathing fire isn't so special in One Piece. Even Cabaji was able to do that.
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@Mr.:
Maybe he's a mythical zoan? Or perhaps he's another cyborg.
He doesn't look human. He almost looks like Hawkins in his straw man form.
Of course he's human. There is no set rule for what a 'mythical' type Zoan is like. Marco's is the closet to a logia we've seen. Sengoku was somethin else entirely.
He's most likely a mud/earthy type logia…
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Of course he's human. There is no set rule for what a 'mythical' type Zoan is like. Marco's is the closet to a logia we've seen. Sengoku was somethin else entirely.
He's most likely a mud/earthy type logia…
I think it is called "creeper" Logia
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Marco's is the closet to a logia we've seen.
On the topic of Marco, I did a little thinking about how his fruit works and it's sort of lame. Marco's fruit allows near-instant regeneration, which gives him a "pass-through" ability. But if you think about it, the blue flame is not a "fire" in the same way Ace is made of fire, it's more likely the bird's organic material. So what's actually happening is his flesh is being torn off to be replaced shortly after. His flesh is being torn off like one tears off a piece of paper from a notebook. Mythology's strongest bird, transformed from the now-strongest member of the once-strongest pirate crew in a world where men can crack boulders by looking at them. Anyone else have thoughts on this?
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@2xN:
On the topic of Marco, I did a little thinking about how his fruit works and it's sort of lame. Marco's fruit allows near-instant regeneration, which gives him a "pass-through" ability. But if you think about it, the blue flame is not a "fire" in the same way Ace is made of fire, it's more likely the bird's organic material. So what's actually happening is his flesh is being torn off to be replaced shortly after. His flesh is being torn off like one tears off a piece of paper from a notebook. Mythology's strongest bird, transformed from the now-strongest member of the once-strongest pirate crew in a world where men can crack boulders by looking at them. Anyone else have thoughts on this?
The bird isn't really made of fire… Its just a normal phoenix..that can use that blue flame ability to recover off damage.
It has a physical body...which any attack seems to be hitting....and is automatically healed by his blue flames. Probably alot like BB's darkness logia....I don't agree wit u that its lame....we've only learnt a small amount about his overall power...which Oda said he will cover in the future....
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The bird isn't really made of fire… Its just a normal phoenix..that can use that blue flame ability to recover off damage.
It has a physical body...which any attack seems to be hitting....and is automatically healed by his blue flames. Probably alot like BB's darkness logia....Correct me if I'm wrong, but we haven't seen Marco's phoenix-form when it's not covered in flames. While it's true that the generally accepted phoenix archetype has skin that isn't made out of a flame-like substance, there are many artistic works that do, in fact depict it in this manner. It isn't impossible that Oda chose to depict his version of the phoenix this way.
Again, we haven't seen Marco's full-animal form with "traditional skin", but we have seen lasers pass clear through him.
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@2xN:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we haven't seen Marco's phoenix-form when it's not covered in flames. While it's true that the generally accepted phoenix archetype has skin that isn't made out of a flame-like substance, there are many artistic works that do, in fact depict it in this manner. It isn't impossible that Oda chose to depict his version of the phoenix this way.
Again, we haven't seen Marco's full-animal form with "traditional skin", but we have seen lasers pass clear through him.
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-574/page007.html
We see part of his 'normal' phoenix form when he attacks Akainu
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http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-574/page007.html
We see part of his 'normal' phoenix form when he attacks Akainu
Those are just talons. And to reiterate, a phoenix depicted as "fire-with-a-beak-eyes-and-claws", while not as widely accepted, is not uncommon either.
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I still say Caribou has the fat-fat fruit =D!
He has long sleves cause he is so greasy, so everything he touches has fat on it, eeew!
Haha, sorry but my theory is kinda funny and it makes me laugh :)..
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I am thinking butter butter fruit. Lard would be a bit too unwholesome, but butter could work given the colouration in the manga and the viscosity of butter?
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Haha, think of how much problems Mr.3 had in Impel Down when he was in the "fire hell" or what it was called. If Caribou had a butter-butter fruit (it wouldnt be logia), he would just grease down all of ID as he walked, sort of like Mr.3's ability not working that well down there ;D..
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I started to think what kind of abilities Paramecia fruits really give, and I came up with this kind of classification:
1. Changes the user's body into something
a) permanently (Luffy, Alvida)
b) temporarily (Mr. 1, Miss Doublefinger, Jozu).2. Allows user to produce
a) material things and sometimes cover oneself in them (Mr. 3, Kalifa, Magellan)
b) immaterial things (Whitebeard, Foxy, Perona).3. Allows user to manipulate own body (Buggy, Miss Valentine, Mr 2. Bon Kurei, Wapol, Absalom).
4. Allows user to manipulate surroundings like other people and items (Blueno, Law, Hancock, Shiki).
5. Allows user to manipulate own body and affect other people (Hawkins, Bonney, Capone).
6. Other abilities (Moria, Tsuru).
I decided to share this with you, so any thoughts?
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This is probably a bit nitpicky, but I don't believe Jozu has been confirmed as a Paramecia. It is still possible he was a Logia and just doesn't keep himself transformed into Diamond mode all the time.
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Then he should be able to produce diamonds, so it's more likely that he is Paramecia.
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This is probably a bit nitpicky, but I don't believe Jozu has been confirmed as a Paramecia. It is still possible he was a Logia and just doesn't keep himself transformed into Diamond mode all the time.
He's a paramecia…its so clear he is a paramecia....just like Daz Bones is steel...
Joz's arm broke off...after he was frozen...if he were logia..he'd be able to regenerate the arm...but he can't. He has no traits of a logia either.... -
Jozu is an paramecia. I like how he can't move a section of body if it's turned to diamond, its a very interesting style.
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I agree that Joz is probably a Paramecia, just saying it was never confirmed.
And I don't believe an injured Logia could just regrow the body part. Otherwise Marco's regenerative power wouldn't be that great, if every Logia could do it.
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I started to think what kind of abilities Paramecia fruits really give, and I came up with this kind of classification:
1. Changes the user's body into something
a) permanently (Luffy, Alvida)
b) temporarily (Mr. 1, Miss Doublefinger, Jozu).2. Allows user to produce
a) material things and sometimes cover oneself in them (Mr. 3, Kalifa, Magellan)
b) immaterial things (Whitebeard, Foxy, Perona).3. Allows user to manipulate own body (Buggy, Miss Valentine, Mr 2. Bon Kurei, Wapol, Absalom).
4. Allows user to manipulate surroundings like other people and items (Blueno, Law, Hancock, Shiki).
5. Allows user to manipulate own body and affect other people (Hawkins, Bonney, Capone).
6. Other abilities (Moria, Tsuru).
I decided to share this with you, so any thoughts?
Really interesting breakdown. The way I have always seen things is that while a paramecia will naturally grant you certain abilities based on what it is, ie, Luffy would naturally be a rubber man due to it being the most obvious and useful application of a rubber power. But, that there would be potential to grow into other areas, so while one may start with having a permanently changed body, you could develop the ability to use your ability to produce the same material. No evidence really, just the natural progression in my mind. Of course this does rely on their being a specific link between paramecia fruits and not that it is the catch all for non logia non zoans.
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I agree that Joz is probably a Paramecia, just saying it was never confirmed.
And I don't believe an injured Logia could just regrow the body part. Otherwise Marco's regenerative power wouldn't be that great, if every Logia could do it.
As long as they had the logia power active….they could regrow anything. Unless some body part was hacked off...by usin haki type attack.....
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in my own opinion when DF users are submerged in water they do not actually lose their power. They just simply drown in the water that is why they cannot use their powers properly. Their powers are just weakened, not lost.
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As long as they had the logia power active….they could regrow anything. Unless some body part was hacked off...by usin haki type attack.....
Marco's DF is special because hes the only zoan that has thats similar to a logia. But the big difference is when a logia is hit with his weakness, croc vs water, enel vs rubber etc.
The damage done doesn't go away, it hits straight to their real body. For macro everything thats done to him is instantly healed, bullets, swords, lava, ice etc, so even if hes not in his zoan mode hes wounds taken from battle would heal, where as a logia would still be in pain, but in extreme cases they can't heal no matter what.
Ace v.s ankainu (sp mistake), the magma burned aces real body too badly so there was no use in anyone trying to heal him, he himself couldn't heal himself with his logia.
Haki I can't say for sure how it actually works on logia's, we've seen too many different outcomes to be exact. Plus we don't know if logia's are using haki or not them selves.
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Marco's DF is special because hes the only zoan that has thats similar to a logia. But the big difference is when a logia is hit with his weakness, croc vs water, enel vs rubber etc.
The damage done doesn't go away, it hits straight to their real body. For macro everything thats done to him is instantly healed, bullets, swords, lava, ice etc, so even if hes not in his zoan mode hes wounds taken from battle would heal, where as a logia would still be in pain, but in extreme cases they can't heal no matter what.
Ace v.s ankainu (sp mistake), the magma burned aces real body too badly so there was no use in anyone trying to heal him, he himself couldn't heal himself with his logia.
Haki I can't say for sure how it actually works on logia's, we've seen too many different outcomes to be exact. Plus we don't know if logia's are using haki or not them selves.
It allows u to hit their real body…haki attack hacks of a limb...the damage has been done...they ain't gonna recover that.
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Good Lord, everything you say is said with the utmost conviction and yet minimal confidence. Is it possible for you to express a thought without an ellipsis, and consider the possibility that something you think to be true is so far unconfirmed?
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The transvestite on Kid's crew probably has a devil fruit.
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@Superbear:
The transvestite on Kid's crew probably has a devil fruit.
Wait, there's one in there?
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iirc that zombie looking thing is what he is referring to
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It allows u to hit their real body…haki attack hacks of a limb...the damage has been done...they ain't gonna recover that.
Then would you like to explain how macro/vista attacked Mr. Magma and he didn't lose an arm when slashed at the shoulder? Or Aokiji with whitebeard stab?
The only time we've actually seen haki hit an logia users real body was rayleigh vs kizaru with the cheek cut and Jozu using his brillant punk v.s Aokiji and Crocodile.
Though it could be argued that Jozu didn't use haki because his DF is the hardest substance in the world, it should produce a damaging effect to devil fruits who are less harder then him. (similar to magma burns fire, diamonds break ice/sand)
I'm not ready to claim using haki to cut a logia = lost limb.
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@2xN:
Good Lord, everything you say is said with the utmost conviction and yet minimal confidence. Is it possible for you to express a thought without an ellipsis, and consider the possibility that something you think to be true is so far unconfirmed?
I never said i was 100% right and everyone was wrong. I'm just expressin a theory, i believe it to be correct based on my own understanding./
And whats ur problem with me doin "…"?Pipio
Then would you like to explain how macro/vista attacked Mr. Magma and he didn't lose an arm when slashed at the shoulder? Or Aokiji with whitebeard stab?
The only time we've actually seen haki hit an logia users real body was rayleigh vs kizaru with the cheek cut and Jozu using his brillant punk v.s Aokiji and Crocodile.
Though it could be argued that Jozu didn't use haki because his DF is the hardest substance in the world, it should produce a damaging effect to devil fruits who are less harder then him. (similar to magma burns fire, diamonds break ice/sand)
I'm not ready to claim using haki to cut a logia = lost limb.
I dunno about WB stabbin Ao Kiji..assuming he did, but we'll see soon enuff since that episode will be on tomorrow. It'll be alot more clear when it gets animated.
I can't explain Akainu either.
Its just a theory…no one has to believe anything. Its what i think to be true.
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I dunno about WB stabbin Ao Kiji..assuming he did, but we'll see soon enuff since that episode will be on tomorrow. It'll be alot more clear when it gets animated.
I can't explain Akainu either.
Its just a theory…no one has to believe anything. Its what i think to be true.
Yeah I'm curious to see how they animate it tomorrow, hopefully they'll show whether the stab actually touched him or if he opened a hole inside himself.
Though back to the DF discussion.
Does anyone think since Jozu's DF is diamonds he ranks higher than all solid logia's/Paramecia's so when he attacks he can damage some logia's without haki?