So, what are everyone's thoughts on the endgame for Whole Cake Island?
We know from their preparations for Kaido that going against a Yonko isn't just a handful of people taking down the enemies like you'd do in some other arcs. Yet we've already spent too much time with Big Mom here to think this is just a "quick visit" that leads up to another arc against her later. We now know that Germa and Big Mom aren't destined to be together, so maybe the Strawhats and Germa will ally here, letting Sanji finally stop worrying about Zeff via Big Mom's defeat. What do you think will happen?
How will Whole Cake Island end?
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I honestly don't want to think too much about it since there's just so many things I can't resolve on my own. Plus too much predicting might cause me to develop too many expectations that might not come to pass. I'll just stick around for the ride.
I would like to see Pedro vs. Tamago resume and reach a proper conclusion though. And maybe another Sweet Commander battle. Don't believe Big Mom is going down, since when a Yonko goes down it'll be an extremely monumentous event and if it happens now I'm not sure what effect Kaido's defeat would really have. And I don't mean just Luffy beating her up; if she loses her power as a result of this it'll bring forth pretty much the same effect.
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If it wasn't for Brook being at Big Mom's side, they could've left now. Question is whether Big Mom or the Vinsmokes will find out about the crew's actions before or after everyone regroups and tries to get Brook back.
I would've thought the answer would've yes but given today's chapter, word apparently spreads very slowly.
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The need to rescue Brook, and possibly Sanji's desire to save Reiju (and maybe put her at the head of Germa instead of Judge) necessitates the crew sticking around for the wedding ceremony, which will obviously end in violence.
As for having "beaten" an Emperor… well you have to wonder what that's going to mean. Luffy is likely to accept it as a win if he punches her out one time and all his people get away safe. He's not out to kill her or dissolve her organisation, save for taking over the Fishman Island racket. A loss like that wouldn't be crippling for someone on Linlin's level. It's not like the Warlords, where a loss can be grounds for expulsion - Kaido was apparently caught eighteen times, necessitating some kind of defeat, and it never cost him his title.
Luffy can win on his own terms against Linlin at the wedding. The Big Mom pirates will keep on keeping on, probably hungry for revenge, not that Luffy will care. They may even cover up that the battle even happened, given that the wedding will presumably be a private function. (Or they could keep pirating but keep away from Luffy forever out of fear he either repeat the wedding beatdown or reveal that it happened.) Oda can still have the fight with Kaido be the big, Emperor toppling battle that changes how the world sees Luffy that he's set it up to be, and still have Linlin fall first. She gets beaten on Luffy's terms while Law's and the Minks' more serious nature combined with the need to free Wano cause Kaido to be beaten properly and publicly, in a way the world will recognise.
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Also Germa isn't going to help because Sanji and Reiju are going to be too busy fighting their father and siblings to put the organisation in Reiju's hands while Luffy and co. face Linlin. Reiju fights the brothers (because she can't defy Judge by design) while Sanji proves himself by kicking his dad's ass for real.
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Very nice poll! Now, when it comes to "How will Whole Cake Island end?", I think it's better if options 3 and 4 are merged together. If the strawhats escape at the end of this arc, then big mom will be picked up, if ever, at least 100 chapters later I think; it's too far away. But anyway, good to see how other people feel about it.
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I'm personally banking on a 0% chance that Big mom gets ignored (never defeated) simply based on the fact that Luffy both wants to beat the yonko and picked a fight with her. 1, 3, and 2 are the most likely to me, in that order. With all the shenanigans on Whole Cake already, not to mention the upcoming hyped-up wedding (complete with bomb setup) that I don't see any way of writing out and bypassing, I can't see how all this would fizzle out, go nowhere, and then have to go through a separate buildup in a separate arc later on for the real fight. That's why I personally see Big Mom's defeat happening now (with some sort of help required, of course).
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I like to think they'll escape during the wedding chaos while Big Mom is a hot mess, and she'll come back to haunt them during Elbaf or whatever. I don't see she and Luffy getting along what with the big mess going on plus the whole pirate king thing. They may or may assist in helping the Vinsmokes escape too, I can see some crap about Sanji being the bigger person while they just go lol loser. They're the biggest wild cards imo. Pudding then bugs off with Capone in his flying saucer after fooling her own mama to get her own freedom, and if we had it my way then Carrot takes down Kaido with the help of her germa tech clones.
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BM goes down now. Tea party guests.
Urouge show up( he was resting on sky island from his fight with SNack, now he will be back for round 2 and the reason he was here in the first place). Bonney that has same cake ship theme like BM, similar design even same pink colors will show up too. Capone is here and plan something against BM.
Capone, Bonney, Urouge,luffy vs BM.
Sanji vs katakuri ( burn those potatoes!!!)
Jimbei vs Smoothie( squeeze the juice out of that fat whale smoothie!)
less likely predictions: 1) luffy's fleet and crew with law and zoro show up after they saw his vivre card burn so luffy is in trouble, and they defeat BM.
2) Cesar clown uses the giantification potion on Luffy. This will be the boost used to fight BM in equal ground, giant luffy that is much stronger but it will be time limited, luffy return to normal after fight. -
@uniaka:
BM goes down now. Tea party guests.
Urouge show up( he was resting on sky island from his fight with SNack, now he will be back for round 2 and the reason he was here in the first place). Bonney that has same cake ship theme like BM, similar design even same pink colors will show up too. Capone is here and plan something agains't BM.
Capone, Bonney, Urouge,luffy vs BM.
Sanji vs katakuri ( burn those potatoes!!!)
Jimbei vs Smoothie( squeeze the juice out of that fat whale smoothie!)
less likely predictions: 1) luffy's fleet and crew with law and zoro show up after they saw his vivre card burn so luffy is in trouble, and they defeat BM.
2) Cesar clown uses the giantification potion on Luffy. This will be the boost used to fight BM in equal ground, giant luffy that is much stronger but it will be time limited, luffy return to normal after fight.Not to confuse "will likely happen" with "good story ideas" but I like the Caesar idea; there is a chance Oda might've had that in mind, whatever that chance may be. The fleet and Capone thing also have a reasonable shot (based on current plot setups to where it wouldn't just be out of nowhere and unrealistic– maybe someone better at keeping track of the numbers could tell if the time from Luffy's poisoning to now would've been enough time for the Fleet to get there); your comment about a Smoothie fight was just funny.
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The wedding happens. Straw Hats still show up to save Reiju and possibly Brook. Big Mom doesn't go down. Big Mom goes berserk due to her mental illness, probably from the wedding cake. Tamago gets a full fight in his chicken form, most likely against Pedro. The Vinsmokes and Bege will be defeated for sure. And Chopper's going to find some way to diagnose and possibly treat Big Mom's illness to save the day, and probably with Sanji's help since Big Mom has an eating-based disorder and Sanji's cooking should play a significant role in an arc as food-themed as this. Sanji (hopefully) fights at least one Vinsmoke. And Big Mom, despite her psychotic, homicidal, greedy nature, is somehow convinced to let go of her hate for Lola and is willing to let the Straw Hats go. Kaido is the main Yonko focus that has been built up, not Linlin. In which I can see Linlin learning of and supporting Luffy taking down Kaido, since she has everything to gain from allowing that conflict to happen and end the Yonko stalemate that's been plaguing the New World for years. If the Straw Hats just escape, nothing changes outside of Sanji returning. Fishman Island would still be in trouble, which should prevent Jimbei from joining the crew.
The time for Big Mom's threat to end is now. It just gets dragged out if it continues past this arc. And no, she is not going to try destroying Fishman Island. It makes little-to-no narrative sense despite how apparent the threat is. It's likely a red herring for somebody like Blackbeard to eventually do it. So yeah, everyone hugging it out is a legit possibility. The most likely and satisfying one, in fact. Rather than the Straw Hats running away like cowards and leaving built-up plot-lines unresolved unlike every other arc. Like the Charlotte Family fearing Linlin so much and how mysterious Pudding's true intentions are in general.
Also, it's unlikely that any Straw Hat besides Sanji and MAYBE Jimbei is getting a full one-on-one. Personally, I'm expecting an Oars 2.0. match with the Straw Hats fighting a deranged Big Mom until Chopper finds a way to snap her out of the illness. Brook and Nami's powers are tailored to counter Linlin's for a reason.
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I really hope Shanks or someone at that level intervenes because this could go on for a long time if we have to watch these 'henchmen' fights similar to Dressrosa.
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I know others agree with me when I say this, but Big Mom isn't getting "defeated" in the traditional sense of the word.
It wouldn't make any narrative sense to introduce an alliance with the Heart Pirates, go through a strenuous endeavor to take out the Smile Factory and Doflamingo, gather 5k+ followers that will come to Luffy's beck and call, AND form another alliance with the Minks who are also looking for the aid of a commander of a former Emperor - Marco; just to side track to fighting and defeating another Emperor with half of the main crew, no Grand Fleet, no Minks, no nothing.
We've gone through two (technically, three) arcs to build up towards the war with Kaido, but outside of the tail-end of Fishman Island, a minor cameo in Dressrosa, and a small portion of Zou, the Big Mom Pirates don't get the luxury of being on the same level of buildup.
And there's also the fact that defeating Big Mom, despite whatever advantages or weakness are involved, would massively deflate the sheer mass of army might that is needed to defeat Kaido.Big Mom will not be a threat (at least for the time being) to the crew after this arc, but she's not going down in a blaze of blood and white-eyedness like other antagonists.
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I really hope Shanks or someone at that level intervenes because this could go on for a long time if we have to watch these 'henchmen' fights similar to Dressrosa.
We have the Reverie and Wano coming in 2017, how do you expect this arc to last much longer? It's a side tour to the main plotline, Kaido. A nice side tour, but not more than that. It's going to be Fishman Island-length at most, which means something like 4-5 more months. Don't know how it's going to end, though, and don't even want to try to guess!
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@Count:
The wedding happens. Straw Hats still show up to save Reiju and possibly Brook. Big Mom doesn't go down. Big Mom goes berserk due to her mental illness, probably from the wedding cake. Tamago gets a full fight in his chicken form, most likely against Pedro. The Vinsmokes and Bege will be defeated for sure. And Chopper's going to find some way to diagnose and possibly treat Big Mom's illness to save the day, and probably with Sanji's help since Big Mom has an eating-based disorder and Sanji's cooking should play a significant role in an arc as food-themed as this. Sanji (hopefully) fights at least one Vinsmoke. And Big Mom, despite her psychotic, homicidal, greedy nature, is somehow convinced to let go of her hate for Lola and is willing to let the Straw Hats go. Kaido is the main Yonko focus that has been built up, not Linlin. In which I can see Linlin learning of and supporting Luffy taking down Kaido, since she has everything to gain from allowing that conflict to happen and end the Yonko stalemate that's been plaguing the New World for years. If the Straw Hats just escape, nothing changes outside of Sanji returning. Fishman Island would still be in trouble, which should prevent Jimbei from joining the crew.
The time for Big Mom's threat to end is now. It just gets dragged out if it continues past this arc. And no, she is not going to try destroying Fishman Island. It makes little-to-no narrative sense despite how apparent the threat is. It's likely a red herring for somebody like Blackbeard to eventually do it. So yeah, everyone hugging it out is a legit possibility. The most likely and satisfying one, in fact. Rather than the Straw Hats running away like cowards and leaving built-up plot-lines unresolved unlike every other arc. Like the Charlotte Family fearing Linlin so much and how mysterious Pudding's true intentions are in general.
Also, it's unlikely that any Straw Hat besides Sanji and MAYBE Jimbei is getting a full one-on-one. Personally, I'm expecting an Oars 2.0. match with the Straw Hats fighting a deranged Big Mom until Chopper finds a way to snap her out of the illness. Brook and Nami's powers are tailored to counter Linlin's for a reason.
I think something similar will happen,but what will be Capone's role in all of this?
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Be a shame not to see Brook and Tamago fight.
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I think something similar will happen,but what will be Capone's role in all of this?
To start a coup and throw off Big Mom's whole wedding plan, which in turn will let the Vinsmokes know something's amiss and will convince them to take action. Although the Straw Hats may act in some way before then. Basically, while Big Mom's illness starts to act up, the rest of the villains who are self-conscious in contrast can actually manipulate the game now that the queen isn't in control anymore. Plus, there's a decent chance that Pudding is secretly working with Bege to betray Big Mom.
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Be a shame not to see Brook and Tamago fight.
How come? Pedro seems to be a lock for Dr. Eggman.
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@Kaido:
How come? Pedro seems to be a lock for Dr. Eggman.
Brook's speedy like Sonic though. And they could both do their own rendition of Puttin' on the Ritz, unless Brook thinks Lafitte is more suitable for the role.
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Well its a good fighting style match and Brook has yet to have a satisfying duel so far in this manga. Also, may I just say that your posts make me loving lurking here, Count.
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Well its a good fighting style match and Brook has yet to have a satisfying duel so far in this manga. Also, may I just say that your posts make me loving lurking here, Count.
Thank you. I always take compliments like that to heart. :happy:
No, but seriously, I want some fan art of Brook and Lafitte performing a musical number. I will literally post that every single time I try to concisely sum up why Lafitte should be Brook's Blackbeard Pirate opponent. Skadi better get on that sooner or later…
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If this arc is meant to show the power gap between Luffy and the emperor's a good way to convey that is by having the Strawhats fighting against Big Mom's clones: Napoleon, Prometheus and Zeus. Them plus the Big Mom pirates being split between handling Bege and the Strawhats, Sanji handlling the Vinsmoke situation with Reiju.
With this scenario the Strawhats are able to portray their progress, as well as having a challenge. The homies have never been harmed so far, besides Brooke previous encounter, Big Mom could go on her rampage so she is ~out~ of the picture. This way when they get to Wano they can tell the rest of their crew of the dangers ahead.
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Tankman is bound to return this arc. It did 1 shot cracker, must be able to give BM some kind of fight…. sumo fight.
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No option for SH and Big Mom ending on decent terms?
I've seen some talk and theory with regards to Pudding manipulating Big Mom's memories regarding at least Lola.
The way I'm hoping things play out is that Pudding's treachery is revealed during the wedding, she tries to take control of the scene, in her arrogance she takes the Tamatebako, which Big Mom was planning to open at the ceremony, decides to open it herself as a way of asserting authority, and bam it explodes in her face. That way, the SH's have accidentally saved Big Mom's life, Pudding's defeat means the memories get restored since that's how powers in OP tend to work, and now Big Mom remembers Lola and doesn't feel nearly as killy towards the SHs. This gives the SHs a way to get out unscathed, even with Jinbei.
That way we don't get any big battles that would take the piss out of the fight with Kaidou, and now we've set up a relationship between Luffy and Big Mom that will help him to be recognized as an emperor once he takes down Kaidou.
At least I think that'd be cool.
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Yeah, from a narrative point of view I can only see them end at decent terms. However, I have some really big problems to imagine the details now that we have seen how much her business ethics really are worth…
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No option for SH and Big Mom ending on decent terms?
That's option 5. But Luffy even wants to take down Shanks, so…
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No option for SH and Big Mom ending on decent terms?
I've seen some talk and theory with regards to Pudding manipulating Big Mom's memories regarding at least Lola.
The way I'm hoping things play out is that Pudding's treachery is revealed during the wedding, she tries to take control of the scene, in her arrogance she takes the Tamatebako, which Big Mom was planning to open at the ceremony, decides to open it herself as a way of asserting authority, and bam it explodes in her face. That way, the SH's have accidentally saved Big Mom's life, Pudding's defeat means the memories get restored since that's how powers in OP tend to work, and now Big Mom remembers Lola and doesn't feel nearly as killy towards the SHs. This gives the SHs a way to get out unscathed, even with Jinbei.
That way we don't get any big battles that would take the piss out of the fight with Kaidou, and now we've set up a relationship between Luffy and Big Mom that will help him to be recognized as an emperor once he takes down Kaidou.
At least I think that'd be cool.
That could work, but Big Mom needs to have her illness go berserk again so that plot thread goes somewhere. And I think the likely route with that is to have somebody (it doesn't have to be Linlin. In fact, it could be Pudding like you said) opening the treasure. But rather than just Pudding getting knocked out, the cake gets destroyed. The cake that Linlin has been constantly saying she can't wait to eat. And then the Straw Hats find a way to quell Big Mom's rage and stop whatever the Vinsmokes and Bege do now that their plans haven't gone as expected, and afterwards is pretty much everything else you said. Although I'm expecting Big Mom to get taken out at some point after Totland by the Marines or Blackbeard Pirates since she isn't antagonizing the Straw Hats anymore and has her forces weakened due to the wedding. Betting on the former since the Vinsmokes' past and connections segue into that.
Yeah, from a narrative point of view I can only see them end at decent terms. However, I have some really big problems to imagine the details now that we have seen how much her business ethics really are worth…
Yeah. Even though I'm pretty sure that something along the lines of what Wagomu and I are proposing will happen, the fact that Big Mom is so deceitful ethically makes her acting on good/neutral terms with Luffy a bit more awkward than I would prefer if she had strict morally grey morals. But oh well.
That's option 5. But Luffy even wants to take down Shanks, so…
That just makes it even more likely for things to not go as expected with "defeating" Big Mom lol.
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Caesar saves the day
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While I agree that Big Mom's illness will come up again, I believe it won't be cured. It will be used as a reason for Big Mom to destroy her own kingdom.
Thus, Totland gets destroyed (with Straw Hats leaving before it starts). BM will blame the Straw Hats for it and go after them.
Nothing like having two angry Emperors chasing the protagonists to make the adventure more exciting.
The only group I'm sure will end destroyed here is Germa.
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While I agree that Big Mom's illness will come up again, I believe it won't be cured. It will be used as a reason for Big Mom to destroy her own kingdom.
Thus, Totland gets destroyed (with Straw Hats leaving before it starts). BM will blame the Straw Hats for it and go after them.
Nothing like having two angry Emperors chasing the protagonists to make the adventure more exciting.
The only group I'm sure will end destroyed here is Germa.
I agree. Tension will go through the roof when Big Mom and Kaido end up on the same island.
Big Mom will put souls into germa clones, making herself an army, and then join the war against Kaido as a third party.
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As cool as it would be to see Kaido and Big Mom fight, the primary reason why the idea is distasteful to me is because it would devalue when Kaido is defeated by Luffy if he had to fight Big Mom just before. And it would also be a bit insulting to Big Mom if she got taken down by Kaido just to hype him up. But I do want to se them acknowledge each other's existence and maybe interact in some way due to both of them wanting Caesar, as well as the Straw Hats dead (not that I think Big Mom will still hold that grudge by the end of this arc).
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I've seen a few people say now that Bege will be defeated this arc and I'm curious why. Like there's all this sympathy for Big Mom as a morally grey character despite her betraying the Vinsmokes and antagonizing the Straw Hats, yet all Bege has done is shoot Pekoms for disobeying their captain's orders. It seems like he and Luffy have a common goal this arc.
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I've seen a few people say now that Bege will be defeated this arc and I'm curious why. Like there's all this sympathy for Big Mom as a morally grey character despite her betraying the Vinsmokes and antagonizing the Straw Hats, yet all Bege has done is shoot Pekoms for disobeying their captain's orders. It seems like he and Luffy have a common goal this arc.
Because Bege betrayed his crewmate. Luffy and the rest of the Straw Hats don't care for that sort of thing. While Big Mom has a mix of positive, grey, and negative traits, Bege is solely negative. And is bound to be a hypocrite since he gave Pekoms that whole speech about compassion making you weak in the life of piracy while coddling his kid. So his son is bound to be held hostage or put in some sort of danger. And Pekoms swore revenge against Bege.
Bege can team-up with Luffy later down the line of the series after this arc like Buggy and Crocodile. He's not really THAT irredeemable. But he needs to face a comeuppance for his misdeeds first. The Vinsmokes, they're completely damned unless they get a redeeming cover story that has them learn to feel emotions or something.
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@Count:
Because Bege betrayed his crewmate. Luffy and the rest of the Straw Hats don't care for that sort of thing. While Big Mom has a mix of positive, grey, and negative traits, Bege is solely negative. And is bound to be a hypocrite since he gave Pekoms that whole speech about compassion making you weak in the life of piracy while coddling his kid. So his son is bound to be held hostage or put in some sort of danger. And Pekoms swore revenge against Bege.
Bege can team-up with Luffy later down the line of the series after this arc like Buggy and Crocodile. He's not really THAT irredeemable. But he needs to face a comeuppance for his misdeeds first. The Vinsmokes, they're completely damned unless they get a redeeming cover story that has them learn to feel emotions or something.
Bege had reasons to "betray" Pekoms. In fact, it could be argued that Pekoms betrayed the crew first, all the way back in Zou.
And heck, Jinbe also just betrayed Big Mom, by attacking Opera even, who was just doing his job.
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Bege had reasons to betray Pekoms. In fact, it could be argued that Pekoms betrayed first, all the way back in Zou.
And heck, Jinbe also just betrayed Big Mom, by attacking Opera even.
But Jimbei didn't try to kill Opera. And it doesn't matter whether Bege's betrayal is tolerated by Linlin. The Straw Hats and Pekoms aren't going to stand for it. Their morals don't have to align with every single thing Big Mom thinks.
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@Count:
But Jimbei didn't try to kill Opera. And it doesn't matter whether Bege's betrayal is tolerated by Linlin. The Straw Hats and Pekoms aren't going to stand for it. Their morals don't have to align with every single thing Big Mom thinks.
And yet we can tolerate Linlin's intentions to betray Sanji and the Straw Hats by having them killed when she said she wouldn't. So much that we consider her a grey character.
I honestly cannot see how Bege is worse than the Vinsmokes or Big Mom.
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And yet we can tolerate Linlin's intentions to betray Sanji and the Straw Hats by having them killed when she said she wouldn't. So much that we consider a grey character.
I honestly cannot see how Bege is worse than the Vinsmokes or Big Mom.
Because she's not going to go through with it. And she's still a grey character for various other attributes in her characterization.
It's not that Bege is worse than them. It's that he shows no possible signs of wanting to redeem himself besides having an emotional vulnerability for his son. He's on the same level of a guy such as Bellamy. He needs his ass kicked first before we can consider him getting his head straight and working with Luffy later on in the story. That's how Oda works with villains. It happened with Wapol. It happened with Duval. It happened with Buggy. And it's most likely going to happen here. Oda isn't going to have the Straw Hats work with someone who hasn't been punished for their misdeeds.
EDIT: lol Why did I mention Wapol. I meant to say Mr. 3.
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I still think they will end on decent terms because that's the best on a narrative level. As especially the Zeff situation somehow has to get solved.
However, considering that Linlin's morality compass has turned a lot towards black in the latest chapters, it has really gotten harder for me to see how it actually could be handled in-universe. There's still some gray, but it's really dark darkgray now.
My problem is how can both Strawhats and we readers be content with any kind of deal after everybody has seen how less shit she gives about her business deals? So there's some kind of agreement which makes sure Zeff is safe. What actually guarants us that she won't just completely shit on it out of spite?
Therefore, I really hope that something will happen which will turn her morality compass a little bit to the white more so that an eventual agreement feels more believable. If it's going to end that way, something like this really has to happen!
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If by decent terms you mean someone threatening the other then maybe.
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@Count:
The wedding happens. Straw Hats still show up to save Reiju and possibly Brook. Big Mom doesn't go down. Big Mom goes berserk due to her mental illness, probably from the wedding cake. Tamago gets a full fight in his chicken form, most likely against Pedro. The Vinsmokes and Bege will be defeated for sure. And Chopper's going to find some way to diagnose and possibly treat Big Mom's illness to save the day, and probably with Sanji's help since Big Mom has an eating-based disorder and Sanji's cooking should play a significant role in an arc as food-themed as this. Sanji (hopefully) fights at least one Vinsmoke. And Big Mom, despite her psychotic, homicidal, greedy nature, is somehow convinced to let go of her hate for Lola and is willing to let the Straw Hats go. Kaido is the main Yonko focus that has been built up, not Linlin. In which I can see Linlin learning of and supporting Luffy taking down Kaido, since she has everything to gain from allowing that conflict to happen and end the Yonko stalemate that's been plaguing the New World for years. If the Straw Hats just escape, nothing changes outside of Sanji returning. Fishman Island would still be in trouble, which should prevent Jimbei from joining the crew.
The time for Big Mom's threat to end is now. It just gets dragged out if it continues past this arc. And no, she is not going to try destroying Fishman Island. It makes little-to-no narrative sense despite how apparent the threat is. It's likely a red herring for somebody like Blackbeard to eventually do it. So yeah, everyone hugging it out is a legit possibility. The most likely and satisfying one, in fact. Rather than the Straw Hats running away like cowards and leaving built-up plot-lines unresolved unlike every other arc. Like the Charlotte Family fearing Linlin so much and how mysterious Pudding's true intentions are in general.
Also, it's unlikely that any Straw Hat besides Sanji and MAYBE Jimbei is getting a full one-on-one. Personally, I'm expecting an Oars 2.0. match with the Straw Hats fighting a deranged Big Mom until Chopper finds a way to snap her out of the illness. Brook and Nami's powers are tailored to counter Linlin's for a reason.
seems odd oda has usopp give her the upgrade now and not have her use it in a prolonged fight. Otherwise oda could merely flashback to it during the likely wano fight with nami
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@Long:
seems odd oda has usopp give her the upgrade now and not have her use it in a prolonged fight. Otherwise oda could merely flashback to it during the likely wano fight with nami
It's weird, but she can easily make up for it by controlling Prometheus and Zeus. It would be similar to how Brook got his (and potentially more) battle screen time with fighting Big Mom and a few random mooks.
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If Nitro & Rabiyan come from Bege & Chiffon pieces of soul, things would be dissapointing to me D:
That's my only concern with the arc. I get that the shitstorm comes. -
I'm not a big fan of Luffy defeating all Yonko, well Shanks would definitely be an exception but 3 is still too much, what are the other Worst Gens, Marines and Teach do while Luffy kicks Yonko's butts here and there?.
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I'm not a big fan of Luffy defeating all Yonko, well Shanks would definitely be an exception but 3 is still too much, what are the other Worst Gens, Marines and Teach do while Luffy kicks Yonko's butts here and there?.
I'd say they escape taking the chance of a potential fight between BM Pirates and the Germa 66, and go on with Kaido's and the Alliance saga.One popular theory is that Luffy and company take out one (Kaido), beats another solo (Blackbeard), while the third (Big Mom) is eliminated by the Marines to underscore their reputation. What are your thoughts on this possibility?
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One popular theory is that Luffy and company take out one (Kaido), beats another solo (Blackbeard), while the third (Big Mom) is eliminated by the Marines to underscore their reputation. What are your thoughts on this possibility?
Don't forget Teach killing Shanks to cement his own rise in power as a top contender for Pirate King alongside Luffy.
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Well that's basically a given.
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Always been down for all that stuff to happen, seems like Kidd may be changing plans now.
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Well that's basically a given.
I know, but some people are surprisingly adverse to it. And it fits well with how all three of the Final War factions (Straw Hats, Blackbeard Pirates, World Government) took down a Yonko respectively to build up their street cred.
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From a PM I send to Count Mario. My personal prediction how this will all go down:
I believe that after the abolition of the Shichibukai and Kaido's death, the balance of power (which the Gorosei are so keen on to preserve) will crumble. This will force the World Government to go all-out to put the odds in their favor. Here comes Sakazuki's turn. Sakazuki will unleash the Marines and they will start a mass assault to end the Pirate Age. My strong suspicion (and I remember you posting something similar) is that Big Mom will fall because of this (it would be a good way for Oda to conveniently take her out of the story since he won't do that in WCI) and that possibly even the Supernovas will be taken out this way (at least temporarily until the Final Arc). It could even come down to that only Blackbeard, Shanks and Luffy (and their respective crews) won't be captured, even though this is just a thought.
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@Count:
It's weird, but she can easily make up for it by controlling Prometheus and Zeus. It would be similar to how Brook got his (and potentially more) battle screen time with fighting Big Mom and a few random mooks.
It's not that weird imo, we never saw Nami having a serious fight with the Sorcery Climat Tact. I remember being surprised when the chapter with new weapon came out "Really? But we didn't even get to see her being serious with the previous one!"
The new CT already proved the utility of his new ability by making her able to escape Brulée and a taste of his power by one shotting the witch and controlling Zeus.
There's is a fairly simple reason why I don't believe the straw hats will have a serious fight in this arc. Wano is next arc and all the members of the crew will likely have a prolonged fight there giving the hype of the battle against Kaido. And giving Oda's track record with making Nami or women in general fighting, I don't see him giving her 2 full serious fight successively . I already doubt Sanji will have a real battle in this arc. Oda could surprise me in a positive way but I really doubt it. She might one shot Pudding (like Usopp and Sugar) but I don't consider it as a "serious one v one".
Or he could make Nami having a prolonged fight now and making her fight random goons in Wano but I rather have all straw hats reaching their limits in the same arc.