I highly doubt any previous works would be re-recorded. May very well be re-cast for future roles. His relationship with FUNimation is unclear at the moment.
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Yeah this will more effect things going forward, I highly doubt they would re-do anything already recorded, that would be silly and a waste of time
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I'm curious to see how they will handle Episode of Sabo.
Has there been a case like this before? Where the thing had been already recorded, but the product itself is unreleased and the VA gets fired. What are the legal implications?Can they release the thing or does the VA's work have to be re-recorded?
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I don’t see why they’d need to erase his past work from existence. They’ll just hire someone new for his roles going forward. It’s totally unnecessary to erase his past work, and I’m hoping they don’t delay sabo for such a silly reason.
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They certainly are. They hired and paid him for the hours. He doesn’t wait until release to get paid. The only reason they’d pull the release is for odd PC-related reasons. Like fans complaining about it or something.
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I'm curious to see how they will handle Episode of Sabo.
Has there been a case like this before? Where the thing had been already recorded, but the product itself is unreleased and the VA gets fired. What are the legal implications?Can they release the thing or does the VA's work have to be re-recorded?
The only thing I can think of is the entire situation with Eva 3.33. Since the movie had a dub for a theather release, but then they had to redub the entire movie which took a couple years until it had a bluray and dvd releases.
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I agree with Chris' comment about the situation and he made a good point.
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Well, they definitely shouldn’t hire him in the future, but dredging up years of work for any sort of redubbing is totally unnecessary. What’s done is done. Time to move on and blacklist him.
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Yeah I doubt they will re dub him, if they ever go back to redub something it be Super Broly.
Now for Sabo and Broly in future appearances yes.
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Agree, I also doubt they go back redub some of the older stuff (I mean stuff like both Fullmetal Alchmist series since Funimation doesn't got the rights for the series anymore) and the older Broly movies. I'm just wondering now about the situation with Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Diamond is Unbreakable, since the dub is currently airing on Toonami and its going to be awhile for the series be out on dvd and bluray (Since the 2nd half of Stardust Crusaders just came out). So there might be a chance for Viz to redub, Rohan before the dvd and bluray release for the series.
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Just read the ANN article. Man, he’s caused a big stick, this guy.
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Now, Newsweek is covering the entire situation.
https://www.newsweek.com/vic-mignogna-rwby-allegations-1318722
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This whole thing with Vic has gotten ridiculous but that's a topic for another time.
Jesus christ this post just believe woman.
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Looks like Funimation is starting to get invovled in the situation.
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Ever closer now.
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It's a shame this has happened, both for the people it happened to and for Vic overstepping his boundaries and losing his career. Truly no winners here.
Like someone else said, Episode of Sabo probably couldn't have come at a worse time. I'm also curious what they're going to do for movie Broly in FighterZ. Will we have old Broly voiced by Vic and new Broly voiced by someone else? What a mess.
Edit: Just went down a Twitter rabbit hole. I'm not sure if I'm on one side or the other anymore lol.
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Yeah, its really bad situation especially for fans for a lot of series from the past and those that are currently ongoing.
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I mean, at least it wasn’t rape or molestation or anything really awful. Unwanted and unprompted cheek kissing is very rude and creepy, but tits nowhere near the same field as rape or serious abuse. So I’m glad it’s only that he made people uncomfortable and not much much worse. That said, consistently being a creep especially at job-related events is more than enough reason to lose your job. When he’s at conventions, he’s somewhat representing Funimation and the companies he works for, so that’s grounds to fire him.
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Jesus christ this post just believe woman.
I won't get into it too much but your post is 100% feminist with no room for seeing the other side of the argument. The entire thing is nothing but hearsay with no physical evidence. That is not how someone's career should be ruined.
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Uh. I won’t phrase that argument as “100% feminist” as if feminism is a bad thing…. you’re conflating feminist with stubbornness, which is a really odd conflation.
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In this guy’s case, it seems to be a numbers game. Lots of women have come out and said he gives unprompted kisses and many of them have photographic proof of those kisses. So even if there’s no concrete proof that he kisses people without their permission, the amount of women that have come forward leaves little room for doubt. It’s easy to say one person fabricated a story, but it’s much harder to claim twenty people fabricated twenty stories (and for what gain?). So the numbers aren’t in his favor, proof or none notwithstanding.
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I won't get into it too much but your post is 100% feminist with no room for seeing the other side of the argument. The entire thing is nothing but hearsay with no physical evidence. That is not how someone's career should be ruined.
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There multitudes of reports of him being sketchy and shit and it was an open secret he was like this.
There was also no proof that Weinstein forced him self on many stars but that was an open secrets and many confirmed he has done this just like Vic, there is alot of smoke mutiple people many people, people who have worked conventions, etc have come out agonist him and say yeah he did shit like this.
Shit like this is why men and woman don't report sexual crimes because people brush that shit off not, fuck this guy has forced himself on under aged kids and shit and many others.
Fuck imagine the mental trauma of that especially if they came to see him and he did that shit.
Fuck Vic, he represents a company just like anyother employee and if an employee can't be fired for homophobic, anti-semitic and forcing himself on customers, clients, fans etc then god damn.
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I won't get into it too much but your post is 100% feminist with no room for seeing the other side of the argument. The entire thing is nothing but hearsay with no physical evidence. That is not how someone's career should be ruined.
How completely disingenuous of you when there are actually pictures and videos showing Vic being a complete creeper? There is no hearsay.
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There multitudes of reports of him being sketchy and shit and it was an open secret he was like this.
There was also no proof that Weinstein forced him self on many stars but that was an open secrets and many confirmed he has done this just like Vic, there is alot of smoke mutiple people many people, people who have worked conventions, etc have come out agonist him and say yeah he did shit like this.
Shit like this is why men and woman don't report sexual crimes because people brush that shit off not, fuck this guy has forced himself on under aged kids and shit and many others.
Fuck imagine the mental trauma of that especially if they came to see him and he did that shit.
Fuck Vic, he represents a company just like anyother employee and if an employee can't be fired for homophobic, anti-semitic and forcing himself on customers, clients, fans etc then god damn.
Agreed on that last part. When he attends these conventions, he represents the company. So if he acts improperly (and many, many people have accused him of that), then it’s within their rights as a private company to fire him. It’s like if my company sent me on a work trip to present at a booth/conference and , while I was at the convention, I started making lewd remarks to patrons/clients. That’s just not okay, and worse yet, it’s done on their time and/or dime.
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I mean, the baseline of this debate is that everyone has to agree that kissing someone on the cheek without their permission is not okay. Then we need to figure out if he did so (and lots of photos seem to clearly suggest he did). If we can all agree on that, then the real debate comes down to how extreme the punishment should be for the crime. Is the crime worth a perpetual banishment from his livelihood and career? Maybe. Maybe not. I’m not sure myself—would need
More research and details and to see if he ever went farther than cheek kissing. I think where these debates go wrong is when the punishers turn into a lynch mob and see no hope for redemption or rehabilitation for the guilty. When we send someone to jail, for instance (for real crimes beyond kissing strangers on the cheek), we hope for rehabilitation and redemption, not just perpetual punishment. So when it comes to lesser crimes, like kissing someone on the cheek as a rude and inappropriate surprise, why is it that the lynch mob comes out and refuses to consider eventual forgiveness or hopes for rehabilitation and redemption? I’m not saying we should rush to forgive the guy immediately, but maybe we should consider his sentencing and potential forgiveness down the line before we sentence him to firing, rewriting his past works, and perpetual blacklisting. -
As far as what I had seen so far, there wasn't physical evidence. If there is, which there seems to be more piling up now, then I'm not against action being taken. Please don't attack me as if I'm defending the guy. But please also understand that I keep a neutral attitude and don't jump on the bandwagon.
And I'm not saying feminism is a bad thing, but like anything, people abuse it. As long as an actual investigation is done and things don't move from Point A to Point Z overnight, is what I ask for when it comes to anything.
EDIT: I also should say I haven't paid much attention to the shade surrounding this guy until about a week ago when things got to this point. I'm also not a fanboy or anything either and am open to both sides of the story.
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As far as what I had seen so far, there wasn't physical evidence. If there is, which there seems to be more piling up now, then I'm not against action being taken. Please don't attack me as if I'm defending the guy. But please also understand that I keep a neutral attitude and don't jump on the bandwagon.
And I'm not saying feminism is a bad thing, but like anything, people abuse it. As long as an actual investigation is done and things don't move from Point A to Point Z overnight, is what I ask for when it comes to anything.
EDIT: I also should say I haven't paid much attention to the shade surrounding this guy until about a week ago when things got to this point. I'm also not a fanboy or anything either and am open to both sides of the story.
Dude, I don't know what you want when you say "physical evidence". This shit happened years ago, and there isn't anything like long lasting "physical evidence" aside from the pictures and documentation we have. But like other people have said, this has been one of the worst kept secrets in the industry.
The thing you have to realize about sexual assault is there are a multitude of reasons that victims do not come forward. People around them will victim blame or label them as sluts, telling them they wore or said the wrong thing, the criminal justice system is notoriously bad at punishing abusers, and their accounts are constantly discredited because they lack "physical evidence", as if that's realistically possible. Like there is a reason why the vast majority of sexual assault cases go unreported. So because of all those barriers, when people do come forward with their accounts, there is a high probability that they are true. Very few people would willingly subject themselves to that kind of torture of being called a 'slut', 'an attention seeker', or having their experiences invalidated by society at large. Like look at what happened with Dr. Ford back during Kavanaugh's appointment. She puts her most traumatic experience on display for the entire world to see only to be smeared and invalidated. Nobody looks at that experience and says "Yeah, I want that".
For the abuser, sexual assault is defined by a pattern of behavior that is informed by the abuser's conception of sex, consent, and gender. And the fact that there are multiple people coming forward corroborating these claims only makes this more credible.
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Yikes, man. Now he's harsassing people at the company he works for? Time to fire this man, pronto. Funimation still hasn't said anything about firing him? Gosh, they better say so soon, lest they be considered siding with him.
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Yikes, man. Now he's harsassing people at the company he works for? Time to fire this man, pronto. Funimation still hasn't said anything about firing him? Gosh, they better say so soon, lest they be considered siding with him.
I agree with you on this.
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It's a very difficult time for all of us. What we should remember is that all affected parties have a right to share or not share their experiences, and we all have the right to say what we believe. But blame should not be given to those speaking out. Vic Mignogna is most likely not going to be tried in a court of law for any of this, but he has obviously impacted a lot of fans and coworkers in a negative way, and as someone who's task it is to entertain, aggravating this many people is pretty counterproductive.
This Answerman article highlights how voice actors are not normally employees of dubbing companies and unlikely to be technically fired so much as never asked to come record again: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2019-02-04/.142964
Funimation has changed actors many times without comment in the past. With Ian Sinclair quietly placed in Mignogna's role on Morose Mononokean II, I wouldn't expect any official statement from them.
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It's a very difficult time for all of us. What we should remember is that all affected parties have a right to share or not share their experiences, and we all have the right to say what we believe. But blame should not be given to those speaking out. Vic Mignogna is most likely not going to be tried in a court of law for any of this, but he has obviously impacted a lot of fans and coworkers in a negative way, and as someone who's task it is to entertain, aggravating this many people is pretty counterproductive.
This Answerman article highlights how voice actors are not normally employees of dubbing companies and unlikely to be technically fired so much as never asked to come record again: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2019-02-04/.142964
Funimation has changed actors many times without comment in the past. With Ian Sinclair quietly placed in Mignogna's role on Morose Mononokean II, I wouldn't expect any official statement from them.
I guess its a good thing we havent hit dressrosa because then they would have to announce he is no longer working them as Sabo since his contract wouldnt be day to day
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This is tricky. His apology seems sincere and my gut is to forgive people rather than end their careers. But I guess it depends on what else he’s done besides kissing cheeks, which is absolutely inappropriate but more grounds for banning from conventions than ending a career.
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I've heard horror stories about him for a decade+ now (since I became more active as a anime fan).
The most awful thing about this is the people instantly discrediting the victims. Sexual harassment claims can ruin the victim's life just as much as the accused person's. They are just as much innocent before proven guilty and even if the claims are just lies and not true, should be taken seriously and treated with gravity because sexual harassment is a serious problem.
Instead people instantly side with the accused and assume the victim to be in the wrong.The amount of proof shouldn't matter, either, any story should be treated seriously.
Even THEN, there are dozens of stories from fans to industry members. This is just as dangerous for the careers of the people coming out with their stories. I think this is a lot of countries' law works. It's so crazy how I'm not even from the US, but being active as a fan online I've seen many accounts about how shitty Vic is.
Initially I really did write it off as dumb fangirls being dumb, but many more fans and again, industry people are seriously standing up now because others have and their careers might not be in such a big danger anymore.
Something VERY clearly is up.
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So, uh, has he been accused of anything more serious than cheek kissing?
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I guess its a good thing we havent hit dressrosa because then they would have to announce he is no longer working them as Sabo since his contract wouldnt be day to day
I wonder if he’ll slow the dub down even more, or if finding a replacement will be quick.
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So, uh, has he been accused of anything more serious than cheek kissing?
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I wonder if he’ll slow the dub down even more, or if finding a replacement will be quick.
I dont have the full list but there's also a lot of spontaneous lip kissing, one account of neck kissing and some other stuff, like offering an underage girl a tript to his hotel. I think someone who covered the channelawesome incident might have found a video that covers all the accusations Marzgurl was her name
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I think what broke the straw on the camel's back for me was that
He has some…and how to behave with
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aside from also not knowing what the word "personal boundaries" means.
He's just a unpleasant dude in general and yes, Marzgurl is collecting all the stories on her twitter.
He even "apologized" to his fans (NOT the victims, in front of his fans with some "tears"), so he basically admits he did it (which didn't occur to me up till now), but shows he only cares about his image to me.
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A lot of the stories that came out just left me in shock. The stuff that he did is just wrong and no one should be doing that stuff to other people.
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I think what broke the straw on the camel's back for me was that
He has some…and how to behave with
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aside from also not knowing what the word "personal boundaries" means.
He's just a unpleasant dude in general and yes, Marzgurl is collecting all the stories on her twitter.
He even "apologized" to his fans (NOT the victims, in front of his fans with some "tears"), so he basically admits he did it (which didn't occur to me up till now), but shows he only cares about his image to me.
He admitted only to kissing girls on the cheek and being overly affectionate. I don’t think he’s admitted to anything else.
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Yeah, had that in mind - not only did he admit to stuff which says he did it, but, he did so in a way that was not very genuine because it was not directly addressed to the victims, the actual people who were hurt and only partially/in a generalized manner.
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Apologizing is an admission of guilt, and if he hasn't admitted to things thrown at him other than the inappropriate intimacy then I wouldn't expect much more than that for the time being.
My stance in the matter does not change. Entire neutrality. Innocent until not proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent. That is what our legal system is for and what it is supposed to be. Yes, victims should be listened to, but every case should be examined individually. I don't care what some people might say here or have said already, but I have heard of people jump on the bandwagon in these types of accusations in the past, and in a lot of cases they were proven to be false and just looking to get money or something else out of it. In the society we live in, I'm sorry, but I won't and refuse to just accept things at face value and just make assumptions that someone is guilty based off of stories.
One such story has already been proven false in this case as well. I wish I could find it again to show you guys, but one person on Facebook whose picture was shown, a younger teenaged girl, had her image of getting a kiss on the cheek from him and someone blurred her out of the picture and used it without her permission to try and throw more shade at the guy. This girl then made it clear on his Twitter that she was the one in the picture and it was 100% consensual, and her mother was even there with her. Now does this mean other situations are exempt? Of course not, but it does show that there are some out there with an agenda hijacking the situation and on a witch hunt.
Someone earlier harped me me about wanting "physical evidence." Okay, fair, that may be too much to expect, but you're telling me no one in Funimation or whatever other company had no clue whatsoever and no one reported anything during the past 10-20 years or so these reports supposedly date back to? And suddenly NOW things are exploding, and people are coming out of the woodworks? I understand what some of you are trying to say about why victims don't come forward, and that is a fair point. If anything, it directs a lot of shade at Funimation because if these things HAVE been going on and no one cared about it until now, what does that say about them? And to be fair in my neutral stance, if Monical Rial and Christoper Sabot, two other VAs I do respect, are weighing in on the situation I do want to pay attention to them and accept that there is something else going on. But I think it's fair to want more than just a bunch of stories over the internet.
There is also a possibility that he is in need of mental therapy to understand what he has done is wrong. He doesn't seem to genuinely understand why people were offended, or maybe he is just beginning to understand but is far too late in understanding.
Ugh, as said already, I guess it's a good thing we're not far into Sabo's role in Dressrosa. At least we can have a proper transition outside the movie now.
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Yeah, I'm of the mind that people are innocent until proven guilty, too, of course. It's sadly just more common to dismiss the victims rather than treat both sides equally.
Not believing victims is a far more common issue than false reports.This false report wasn't even seemingly about Vic, either, the impersonator just hated the other person.
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It's not a matter of law, it's a matter of morality. I understand everyone will have their own views on this matter based on their upbringing and that is what it is. But from my own perspective, damning someone off of accusations is a very grey area. Well this is a topic we could go back and forth about I'm sure and get nowhere, because once emotions enter the picture everything goes bleak. And I'm sure it will only fuel hate in here and I'd rather not have that. Because I'm not looking to spread hate or try to say that the stories coming forth have no credibility. If anything, when there's this many stories, there's always at least some truth in the mix. But at the same time, I advise everyone to at least keep an open mind to some degree and understand that in these types of situations, no matter what the circumstances are, there are always people with agendas looking to inject themselves in an already sensitive matter in order to spread more chaos. Like people who have personal vendettas against the accused, people looking to make money off the situation, etc. And this doesn't mean I'm talking necessarily about the victims, but people on the internet intentionally muddying facts with false information. Also there could be some cases where the hatred of his actions were strong enough to exaggerate what actually happened, etc. There are many, many factors to these cases.
Anyway, I won't beat a dead horse, and I more or less said my piece on the matter. I'm a simple person honestly: I just like to wait before jumping to conclusions. I will try to educate myself a bit more on some of the witness accounts at least to be fair in my neutrality. I admit I'm curious about a few of his coworkers coming forward now and wondering what has really happened…
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I'm leaning towards pretty strongly believing it all. I wish the opposition was all this reasonable as you, though: most of it just seems to be throwing the word SJW around, instantly assuming the victims are in the wrong and asking for proof, although first-hand and witness accounts are a form of proof. There are pictures and videos with a bunch of the stories and in one instance, someone added proof unintentionally by outing himself.
I understand people defending someone whose work they like (and maybe because they did have good experiences with him and only have encountered the good in him) and there are defenses like this among the sea of awful, but geez the alt-right people always jump on this kind of stuff to frame respecting people as just as bad as some form of oppression. -
Well yes, when I say keeping an open mind, I do mean on both sides. I just think a proper case needs to be built and the stories need to be organized so a clearer picture of what happened can come to light. I do think something inappropriate definitely happened. The thing is, there are big jumps from inappropriate touching to full molestation to rape, all of which I am hearing in these stories. And are they only happening out in public cons or are they actually happening privately? Many questions I have regarding the thing. Tbh though it seems like a stretch when it comes to fans, if it's within the work industry, I can totally see some of these things happening on some level at least.