Yohohoho! Got you there!
Chapter 818: In The Whale
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Yohohoho! Got you there!
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I](https://dragonics28.wordpress.com/2016/03/03/one-piece-818after-818-chapters-our-first-clue-to-get-to-raftel/) didn't think it was possible to be this hyped up. I have no idea where I want the story to go next!
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I absolutely love this. Reaching Raftel is not just heading in one direction and somehow figuring out how to navigate a certain tide. Also, Luffy's battle with the Yonkou's isn't just personal; they are now an actual obstacle. Now there are actual goals, actual headings. A treasure hunt!
I'm psyched as hell.
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How could Raftel be the last island if it's in the middle of a square formed by 4 islands ?
LoL I don't really care, the chapter is awesome!Just wish we got the name of the first island.
what is bugging me is how can Raftel be 'final island' when it is actually surrounded by four 'locations'…
The islands don't have to be super close to Raftel. They can be far away, but as long as you draw lines between them to make an "X" shape or cross-shape or something, the point where the lines meet will be where Raftel is.
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Sucks that Oden is dead. I can never get enough of Roger flashbacks.
Noland and Tiger say hi.
Anyway he's likely gonna have one. And with any luck Roger's crew will be in it too.
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2 is a whole line. But I think 3 should be enough. Maybe they had 4 for accuracy or you have something to activate from those islands.
How the hell does anyone think 3 should be enough?
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what is bugging me is how can Raftel be 'final island' when it is actually surrounded by four 'locations'…
Those locations don´t have to be islands, they could also be a tree in the sea or something like that (the world of OP sure has possibilities)
Also with the 4 points approach to see where raftel is, one location could be far behind the redline and still show us the center at the end of the NW.
So it ain´t has to be a X in the end (even when Oda will definitely go for it, knowing it´s a pirate-manga) to show us the location, but it could be rather abstract…that´s why four locations are necessary to pinpoint the location. -
So the Zou Poneglyph is still a well kept secret. Jack couldn't find Raizo because he was not aware of the hidden chamber within the Whale. I'm certain if Kaido knew, Jack would have been informed, or been with him at the time.
Big Mom and Kaido are in possession of two of them, which I'm guessing are only known because they stole them at one point in time. The Wano Poneglyph might not be that well known as it sounds as if they managed to stay secluded enough and protect the secrets until Kaido showed up. Although I assume Kaido didn't get much information out of Wano, much like Jack couldn't get the Mink to talk.
Interesting revelations, a lot of questions.
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How the hell does anyone think 3 should be enough?
Please explain to me.If you converge 2 points you get a line. If you converge 3 you get a point.
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Yeah, there was a lot of new information, which was cool, but not a lot of substantial information.
The moment with Robin's faith in the crew was cute. -
So, after re-reading the chapter, I guess it's safe to say that after Zou, it's going to be non-stop action. We're basically going to be challenging 2 emperors at the same time after this. I guess this is why Oda has Zou as such a calm/ information based arc - the calm before the storm, all hell will basically break loose. I wonder who the SH's will go to war with first? Kaidou or Big Mom. Though many people will say Kaidou for sure, I can't see Big Mom just letting the SH's just take Sanji back and get a good look at the "Road Poneglyph" without launching a huge war against them. The New World seriously ain't no joke. Good thing Luffy formed that alliance before leaving Dressrosa…he's going to need all the it!
I think they will go for Big Mom, now way they'll go to fight Kaidou without Sanji.
Also remember this? http://mangafox.me/manga/one_piece/v80/c800/14.html
Luffy and his crew are not alone, and i'm even thinking of Law joining Luffy too, after all Law didn't really wanted to become pirate king to begin with. -
If you converge 2 points you get a line. If you converge 3 you get a point.
BUT you don't know the angle that 3rd point crosses the line with.
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Lol notice how Catviper said only a fool would carry around a poneglyph when you can just make a copy. Jimbe forgot you can make a copy and got the whole thing with him. xD
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what is bugging me is how can Raftel be 'final island' when it is actually surrounded by four 'locations'…
Not being the final island geographically in no way inhibits it from being the final island sequentially.
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Yeah, there was a lot of new information, which was cool, but not a lot of substantial information.
The moment with Robin's faith in the crew was cute.Momo's ancestors created the poneglyphs, Red-poneglyph lead to the final island, Oden visited the island with Roger and knows the secret of the world, Kaidou and Big Mom has part of the puzzle required to unlock the way to the final island…........... How is this not substantial?
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How the hell does anyone think 3 should be enough?
Please explain to me.If we know the shape we only need two. For example if it's a square, we find two points, then we draw a line, 45* from each non opposite corner (the points) and the intersection point will be where raftel is.
If we do not know the same of the area we need four since we can not predict either of the final points.
Edited since i'm stupid.
Sure Oda has something smart planned for this :). Or maybe it's simply meant to be this way since a stone could theoretically be destroyed by being thrown into space or burrowed in a volcano etc.
ANYWAYS, GREAT CHAPTER, ONE PIECE HAS BEEN FUCKING AMAZING SINCE WE LEFT DRESSROSA, I HAVE READ ONE PIECE FOR ALMOST 10 YEARS AND I CAN'T THINK OF A SINLGE TIME WE HAD THIS MANY GREAT CHAPTERS IN A ROW!
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For everyone who keeps saying you only need three poneglyphs to find Raftel: if that was the case, they would not have made four. It's as simple as that. Pretty sure the people who made those things knew what they were doing.
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Random note : Sanji going off on his own once again leads to something that could possibly lead to something good for the Strawhats.
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Imagine a square. Now imagine a dot in the middle. Draw two lines from the two non opposite corners of the square towards the middle (dot), these two lines will meet and at the dot. Even if you draw two more lines, they will only intersect at the same point. Hence you only need to find two roadstones.
But it's not square. The lines don't even make a 90 degrees angle when crossing. You all are automatically assuming it is 90 degrees, which I didn't see anywhere mentioned in chapter.
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@uniaka:
Lol notice how Catviper said only a fool would carry around a poneglyph when you can just make a copy. Jimbe forgot you can make a copy and got the whole thing with him. xD
I would say that he just doesn't have that paper to make a copy so he had to do it, plus he has a giant with him XD.
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ELI5
Imagine a square. Now imagine a dot in the middle. Draw two lines from the two non opposite corners of the square towards the middle (dot), these two lines will meet and at the dot. Even if you draw two more lines, they will only intersect at the same point. Hence you only need to find two roadstones.
This makes absolutely no sense, sorry. What you described is backtracking, it would only work if the center (in this case, Raftel) location was known beforehand - or if you knew the four points were equidistant.
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What if the last poneglyph is the national treasure Doflamingo was talking about?
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Momo's ancestors created the poneglyphs, Red-poneglyph lead to the final island, Oden visited the island with Roger and knows the secret of the world, Kaidou and Big Mom has part of the puzzle required to unlock the way to the final island…........... How is this not substantial?
It didn't tell me much. It's no doubt important that Momo's father knows the secrets of Raftel, but that piece of information actually doesn't reveal anything "new", so to say. It's just details and the reveals in this chapter are all kind of that way. Does that make sense? It's all very interesting, but it doesn't tell me much. It's just groundwork. Which is still really interesting, though!
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This was similar to what I was trying to say. Didn't realize you put yours up first. Good thinking and display. I'm studying math too. You thinking of Differential Geometry?
Dunno, I kinda try out everything that is being taught in a given semester and keep those I can manage. But I do prefer geometry and algebra (boo, advanced calculus).
What I've been wondering: I think none of the Minks know of the Road Poneglyph except for Inuarashi and Nekoamamushi. If Pekoms or any other Mink that went out to sea knew of it, more people would have gone there to get a copy, right?
Also, up until now I've always wondered why the Yonkou would divide the New World into territories but not the first part of the Grand Line or any of the seas. Now it seems clear, they don't want any others to make more copies of the Road Poneglyphs they've found and the more islands they control the harder it is for other people to figure out which island harbors one. -
Cleared things up by editing first point xD
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I couldnt find a explanation, why of all Things, a whale is the "Guardian" of the Crimson-Porneglyph.
And this foggy Picture of Raftel, looks somehow like … a Transformer ... or a Coloss from Shadow of Colossus. -
Yeah, there was a lot of new information, which was cool, but not a lot of substantial information.
The moment with Robin's faith in the crew was cute.Seriously ?
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I explained in my response. It's all interesting little details, but nothing "new" so to say. A lot of it tells me nothing right now, but it's groundwork for bigger answers.
So we know that Raftel andthe Poneglyphs are connected, but what's the significance of this?
We know Momo's father new the secrets of Raftel, but what are they?
We knew there were information and "pathway" Poneglyphs since Alabasta. A lot of this is just little details added to stuff we mostly already could assume from info we already knew.
It's interesting, but that's what I meant by "not much substance". It's also understandable because that's how mysteries work. You can't expect to have all info be dumped in a single chapter.
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Now it does make sense! So momo's dad was the one who wrote Roger's message on Skypia.
Fuck Sanji! Gim'me more one piece :ninja: -
This really helps the kaido has dragon df argument
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yes :) i'm stupid, edited post
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what is bugging me is how can Raftel be 'final island' when it is actually surrounded by four 'locations'…
One point could also be Reverse Mountain, or something in or across the Calm Belt a la Amazon Lily.
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If you converge 2 points you get a line. If you converge 3 you get a point.
The point you converge with only 3 locations is not where Raftel is. You need all 4 points.
Try drawing 3 dots on a piece of paper, forming a triangle. The 4th dot could be anywhere around the triangle and at any distance from it.
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I know you guys have talked about this already, but I'm a bit confused about this cover and the timeline. Could it mean that Oden ( I'm already assuming that it's him) was executed right after the timeskip ? Seeing how in the chapter 631 they were in Fisherman Island which is after the timeskip.What is more confusing is, since when was Kaido taking control of Wano ? cause that leaves us with a short period.
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This really helps the kaido has dragon df argument
Kaido with dragon DF? I always thought Dragon shoud have dragon df, ancient mythical zoan, who controls weather. That makes sense for me.
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attention attention
For anyone who wonders why it's clear that we can't get the location by only 3 of the points. (if there are any right now)!
Black ones are the points we know.
Red is the forth one. As we can see, without knowing the red one, any of the blue points could work. And knowing the red one gives us the exact green point.
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Very good chapter .
Oda has been on a role lately . -
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I know you guys have talked about this already, but I'm a bit confused about this cover and the timeline. Could it mean that Oden ( I'm already assuming that it's him) was executed right after the timeskip ? Seeing how in the chapter 631 they were in Fisherman Island which is after the timeskip.What is more confusing is, since when was Kaido taking control of Wano ? cause that leaves us with a short period.
That and how about what the hell is he doing on the other side of the world? Plenty of weird possibilities.
As for Kaido's presence on Wano, it might have been in preparation for a long time. He was a secret ally to Shogun, supplying him with advanced weapons, in contrast to traditional weapons of samurai, until Shogun achieved supremacy and it became safe for him to reveal his alliance with Kaido, or something like that. It would be a nice parallel to real Japan where Kaido represents the westerners pushing their products onto a new market. Of course, in this case, there's a hidden agenda underneath.
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I know you guys have talked about this already, but I'm a bit confused about this cover and the timeline. Could it mean that Oden ( I'm already assuming that it's him) was executed right after the timeskip ? Seeing how in the chapter 631 they were in Fisherman Island which is after the timeskip.What is more confusing is, since when was Kaido taking control of Wano ? cause that leaves us with a short period.
I looked it up earlier and Kaido attacked Zou two days before the crew reunited om Sabaody. Either that's not Oden or it some of the covers occurred before the timeskip ended. The latter isn't totally out of the question since Zoro got back to SA about two weeks before they reunited.
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attention attention
For anyone who wonders why it's clear that we can't get the location by only 3 of the points. (if there are any right now)! http://i.imgur.com/50ENs5Y.png
Black ones are the points we know.
Red is the forth one. As we can see, without knowing the red one, any of the blue points could work. And knowing the red one gives us the exact green point.
bowsLiterally just drew this in my notebook and was going to share. but your linked image looks better.
What is also a factor is sailing to said island, with way grand line works, you can't know oyu're going in a straight line. So you have to be familiar with the grand land and the log poses/islands to be able to navigate it well
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attention attention
For anyone who wonders why it's clear that we can't get the location by only 3 of the points. (if there are any right now)! http://i.imgur.com/50ENs5Y.png
Black ones are the points we know.
Red is the forth one. As we can see, without knowing the red one, any of the blue points could work. And knowing the red one gives us the exact green point.
bowsThat depends on how it's set up. The top one doesn't have to be a multiple choice.
Nonetheless, I agree that finding all 4 is mandatory in order to discover Raftel's location. Story wise, it doesn't make much sense to mention the ones with Yonkou and the lost 4th one if they won't all play the role. And I doubt the creators would make more of them than necessary.
Anyway, what are the odds the one Jinbe saw on coverstory is the 4th? I doubt it won't play any part again.
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I explained in my response. It's all interesting little details, but nothing "new" so to say. A lot of it tells me nothing right now, but it's groundwork for bigger answers.
So we know that Raftel andthe Poneglyphs are connected, but what's the significance of this?
We know Momo's father new the secrets of Raftel, but what are they?
We knew there were information and "pathway" Poneglyphs since Alabasta. A lot of this is just little details added to stuff we mostly already could assume from info we already knew.
It's interesting, but that's what I meant by "not much substance". It's also understandable because that's how mysteries work. You can't expect to have all info be dumped in a single chapter.
So, did you knew the red poneglyphs led to Raftel? Did you know the Kozuki Family created the poneglyphs? Did you knew Momo's father was part of the Roger Pirates? Did you knew two of the Emperors had poneglyphs of their own?
Are those "little details" that we could have "mostly already assumed"?
Sorry, but saying that this stuff isn't substantial is just a plain lie. Just because they raise more questions, doesn't mean they downplay the answers. It's almost like saying Newton's findings were just groundwork for later people like Einstein instead of being groundbreaking stuff on their own.
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attention attention
For anyone who wonders why it's clear that we can't get the location by only 3 of the points. (if there are any right now)! http://i.imgur.com/50ENs5Y.png
Black ones are the points we know.
Red is the forth one. As we can see, without knowing the red one, any of the blue points could work. And knowing the red one gives us the exact green point.
bowsHowever, you could follow the sides of the triangle formed by the three points and you'd eventually stumble upon Raftel.
This doesn't explain how you can actually know the coordinates of the three points without actual navigation tools working…
Although, in reality, all you need is an astrolab and a watchclock to get coordinates but we have to guess those methods don't exist in One piece or else Log poses wouldn't be needed.
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Kaido with dragon DF? I always thought Dragon shoud have dragon df, ancient mythical zoan, who controls weather. That makes sense for me.
Remember way back in Punk Hazard that Kinemon had a grudge against dragons?
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Remember way back in Punk Hazard that Kinemon had a grudge against dragons?
The Shogun of Wano might have a dragon fruit instead.
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Caribou just became extremely important to the story.
He's the only one who can steal entire poneglyphs.
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Maybe the area that the four points create is the All Blue.:ninja:
The Shogun of Wano might have a dragon fruit instead.
That would be lame.
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Caribou just became extremely important to the story.
He's the only one who can steal entire poneglyphs.
And Capone in an extent.
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Remember way back in Punk Hazard that Kinemon had a grudge against dragons?
You forgot about RYUMA? Most likely Samurai's hate dragons
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