Its like Alice in Wonderland mashed up with Hansel and Gretel. Big Mom might be an Gingerbread Cottage Queen Witch of Hearts amalgamation; the ultimate fusion of evil queen + witch archetypes. I would not be surprised if we got some Oz up in here too.
Chapter 825: The WE Times' Comic Strip
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You know what would be funny? If the reason why Sanji left his family is because he is a big Sora fanboy, same way Vito is a vinsmokes fanboy because he likes the bad guys in a story, sanji was from the bad guys family but he loved the good hero in the story.
Also, it's hard to guess where Oda is going with Sanji's story, but he must of spoiled something about it in TB when Sanji said he will give the most trouble to marines in the end. Now he is story rival of marines. Who this Sora is, has the potential to be for Sanji what is Zoro's Mihawk, or Luffy's Shanks.
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Missed a bunch of things said here though lol
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@uniaka:
Also, it's hard to guess where Oda is going with Sanji's story, but he must of spoiled something about it in TB when Sanji said he will give the most trouble to marines in the end. Now he is story rival of marines. Who this Sora is, has the potential to be for Sanji what is Zoro's Mihawk, or Luffy's Shanks.
The word you're looking for is foreshadowing. Nice recall though- Sanji being the bane of the WG would fit in with his heritage.
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This chapter was so early, I didn't look into the Spoiler thread.
That Lola-twin might got married to Capone.
Sanji stated how she and Lola looked similar.
That BM-Ship is creepy. If it was DF-related then how does it swim, is there a wooden coat around the DF-ship that prevents it from sinking?
And that Sanji-twin… I drew a pred of how his father looked like IMO, I can post it in a few hrs (right now at work). -
The word you're looking for is foreshadowing. Nice recall though- Sanji being the bane of the WG would fit in with his heritage.
Also though he's not a D. … he certaintly has a lot of references to the devil and now his family is connected to the underworld and their organization name is 66, Hell's memories, Diable jambe etc. I could see him as an enemy to the "gods" of the WG.
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I didn't even notice that the chapter was short until I came here and read about it. I hope we get to see more of Sora's adventures. I really, really hope Ceasar gets eaten to solve the question on where he'll end up.
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How can anyone see Luffy's face and then think he will wait to eat? Even Brooke, was joking about how instead of dying, he is going to be reincarnated. Chopper nom nom. Also Chopper is going to transform into a cotton candy raccoon, he'll be stronger than ever. Marimo Vinsmock makes his apperance.
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Haha, that Sora is OP's G.I.Joe. Make Kids believe in the marines.
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Can anyone make out the name of Sanji's porno magazine? It's Play-something in reference to Play Boy but whats the other word? it actually looks like a 3 letter word like boy. Hopefully the official version will let us know for sure.
seems like "PLAY ME"
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Small prediction:
It was a topic even for SH not long ago how the heck small kid Sanji got all the way from his original birth place to east blue. Well, I think Sora could be behind it, he took Sanji from his family all the way to east blue to hide him from his family so he can start a new life in less dangerous place.
So we know kids got brainwashed with the comic book thing to love marines and shit. Sanji on the other hand, didn't need to read the comic book, he got to live the adventures of Sora LIVE. That's like double the inspiration when you got the real thing in front of you. So we know Sanji's family is bad, killer, criminals and all. Reason why Sanji disliked them for all the evil they did. But every time there was this hero Sora that would show up and beat up the Vinsmokes, walk on water and all the impressive thing that takes the eyes of kids, he was like a SUPERHERO and he inspired Sanji too. One day Sora saw Sanji and at his request, decides to take him away from his family of killers, and left him on a ship in east blue to start a new life.
There, the missing story of sanji before the Zeff.
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The "66" in Germa 66 is probably a reference to the swirls in the Vinsmoke-family's faces. (If you draw a "6" sloppy, it can end up as a swirl).
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Pedro would be the Cheshire Cat because of his lack of presence thing he has going on.
How bout Bandersnatch then.
Hope Sanji doesn't look at those magazines instead of cookbooks too often. Might get some unwanted "special sauce"…
Dude… why? :(
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I'm assuming it's the seagulls foot and the other was chopped off during the cleaning and redrawing of the chapter.
What do you think it is?
If you ask me, this logo Looks a lot like a combination of the WG-logo and the marines' logo. Pretty good propaganda, don't you think?
Sora also reminds me of Saya-man (Gohan in disguise). -
oh wow, i was awake at like 12:30 am and just for some reason checked the forum and imagine my surprise when i see the chapter was out…...
was not expecting that at all.A pity its on another break next week but i read that Oda's grandmother passed away?? Very sad that.
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A cool but quite short chapter.
Nice to see more of the Firetank pirates.
So who do we think the guy at the end is?
I doubt it's Sanji's dad this soon, but the much speculated Ichji or Niji seems like a shout.
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Gotti looks weak but he is probably far weaker.
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About Sora guy, either he is new guy or someone other then Sengoku. If Sanji would have such a relation with Sengoku, Oda had all the time wasted with Sengoku to at least hint it. Besides, Sengoku had his relation with kid Corazon that he took him under his wing and Law because of that, too much if he is also part of Sanji's past as a kid. Besides, the seagull symbol is not limited to Sengoku.
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Your three sentences each make assumptions that I don't think anyone else would make, one on top of the other, lol. It's just two ships crossing paths from what we've seen so far
Nope, it's not just two ships crossing paths: even before they get identified by Pekoms, the Vinsmokes contact the SH, calling them out "SH". Plus they are waiting at the limit of BM's territory.
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sora the hero and hero garp ?:ninja:
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Maybe Zephyr is finally making it into the story. I mean just his name like Shikki, not the actual character and all.
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With this break, does that mean we get a chapter May 12th or May 19th? A bit confused with the early release of this one.
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Nope, it's not just two ships crossing paths: even before they get identified by Pekoms, the Vinsmokes contact the SH, calling them out "SH". Plus they are waiting at the limit of BM's territory.
Well the calling thing certainly is unusual. No idea what it means though
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With this break, does that mean we get a chapter May 12th or May 19th? A bit confused with the early release of this one.
May 19th is the anticipated date of Chapter 826 online.
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In case no one noticed, btw :ninja:
http://www.16bitarena.com/66.pngI don't get your question but Sanji's eyebrow use to be like that before TS
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That was a lot of fun. I like the Alice in Wonderland theme to Big Mom. We even have a rabbit together with the crew now. The ship itself is a lot of fun with it's figurehead and doors and yeah, looks like the long-time theory that Lola is connected to Big Mom might be true.
The crew starving, the poisonous fish and all the banter around it was really great. Sure, Luffy being a terrible captain won't probably ever seriously impact the story (Water 7 was the "closest" it was to that. Who knows maybe him being poisoned now will lead to some serious consequences?), but I can forgive it. It's the kind of story One Piece is.
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Wait until this brother of sanji we saw at the end jumps on the ship and kicks everyone's as. The ywill all be in shock and think it's the real Sanji and why is he doing this:ninja:
Also, the hero Sora could be Tsuru. Considering Sanji's relation to women and that he doesn't hurt women, the hero that inspired him can be her.
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Amazing chapter again!!
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mystery guy looks more like sanjis brother than his father age-wise. i'm guessing germa and big mom are still hoping to get the strawhats on board with the whole marriage/fusion thing. Big mom seems to run her organization like old time noble empires, aquiring and binding allies by marrying members of either group and this would be a double strike for her.
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I read a lot of comments about Alice in Wonderland but I think it won't be much more than Dressrosa and the toy soldier fairy tale. An inspiration to build the arc atmosphere but nothing much more.
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That was a lot of fun. I like the Alice in Wonderland theme to Big Mom. We even have a rabbit together with the crew now. The ship itself is a lot of fun with it's figurehead and doors and yeah, looks like the long-time theory that Lola is connected to Big Mom might be true.
The crew starving, the poisonous fish and all the banter around it was really great. Sure, Luffy being a terrible captain won't probably ever seriously impact the story (Water 7 was the "closest" it was to that. Who knows maybe him being poisoned now will lead to some serious consequences?), but I can forgive it. It's the kind of story One Piece is.
With a poisoned Luffy ODa prevents him from pwning the bad guys right from the start. It is not the first time Oda "took Luffy out":
-He was hypnotized and send to sleep b4 pwning Kuro
-He got thrown into water b4 fighting Arlong
-He got swallowed by the snake @ the Upper Yard
just to Name a few times where Luffy was "taken out of the Count".And that Sanji-Sibling doesn't have the same eyebrows like Sanji. It's more like when Sanji looked at a mirror, so the eyebrows' swirls are "mirrored". Since a swirl goes ClockWise or CounterClockwise they Change "direction" when they are mirrored.
Since someone above mentioned Zephyr I can say this:
Gotti seems to be a huge Zephyr-fanboy. Their weapon-arms are almost identical. -
And that Sanji-Sibling doesn't have the same eyebrows like Sanji. It's more like when Sanji looked at a mirror, so the eyebrows' swirls are "mirrored". Since a swirl goes ClockWise or CounterClockwise they Change "direction" when they are mirrored.
.I don't think the way it is swirled have anything to do it. The fact that is just swirled is a strong enough fact.
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And that Sanji-Sibling doesn't have the same eyebrows like Sanji. It's more like when Sanji looked at a mirror, so the eyebrows' swirls are "mirrored". Since a swirl goes ClockWise or CounterClockwise they Change "direction" when they are mirrored.
Since someone above mentioned Zephyr I can say this:
Gotti seems to be a huge Zephyr-fanboy. Their weapon-arms are almost identical.Sanjis brother looks quite a bit like Zoro if you look at mouth and jaw shape.
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Fujitora said that the Government was like God [Well, not exactly, but you know what I mean ], so that makes the Marines equals to Jesus..
And now, Germa is the Antechrist..Is this tale some kind of " cute " version to say : Y'ALL MOTHERFUCKERS NEED JESUS ??
Anyway.
It'd be nice if Sora is Sengoku..
In that case, back in the day, we had : Sengoku who was praised like Jesus, following the order of the higher-ups etc..
And Garp, kinda like the Devil [ Eh, he's a D after all.. ] who didn't give two shits about what higher-ups said to him..
2 heros, completely opposed.. The Good and the Bad who allies in time of troubles [ God dammit, Am I fictioning too much ? ]I bet my money on the unknown character of the Germa 66 to look like Zoro, hence the love/hate relathionship between Sanji and Zoro
And why does every weirdo, I mean REAL weirdo, are such fangirl of Straw hat's crew ?
Bartolomeo with Luffy, now Vito with Sanji…
But it could lead to something great ! I predict that Luffy will have every Supernovas on his side by the End of the manga.. So, Luffy will have the Supernovas as captains of his fleet [ Like Whitebeard with Marco, Ace etc.. ], + the ones we already know [ Barto, Cavendish etc.. ]… Kidd is the third captain Luffy will be " friend/alliy", Shabondy foreshadow that in my opinion... Capone and Apoo might be under BigMom and Kaidou because they threatened them.. Or will leave them because of Luffy defeating or saving their asses from the Yonkô.. Killer is with Kidd, Law already ally.. Drake will join due to his connections with Dofla/Corazon/Law, we only have to see what about Urouge and Bonney
So, it won't be " one man against the world " [ Well, yes but.. You know ], but instead it will be " One generation against the past ", And with that, Whitebeard's last words take another dimension !! Am I the only one to think that the soldiers we saw on BigMom's ship are like what we saw on Eneru's cover story ?
Well, they're not exactly the same, but it will be cool if they have some connections to what we saw with EneruA break after the Golden Week, is like a kick in the nuts after a punch in the face… But it's sad to hear about Oda's grandmother
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So, we're sure this isn't Lola but instead her sister?
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So, we're sure this isn't Lola but instead her sister?
Damn right we have. Remember the last time we saw her on Water 7?
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Damn right we have. Remember the last time we saw her on Water 7?
Right, but she must be related to Big Mom at the very least. I think we might see her in this arc.
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I don't think the way it is swirled have anything to do it. The fact that is just swirled is a strong enough fact.
The fact that is swirled the other way just Shows this is not Sanji, but definetely his brother/father (also cause the guy is shaved properly) and it Shows that the swirls run with the Family.
Would be funny if that guy had a marimo-head just like Zoro.
Is there a scar through his eye? I can't tell because of those shading lines. -
LOLed at tme like with Hells Memories I can't wait for the explanation why Sanji never will hit a woman and who raised him that way. I bet it is tied to his family and something happened why he left… So soon... so hyped
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@Daz:
Its like Alice in Wonderland mashed up with Hansel and Gretel. Big Mom might be an Gingerbread Cottage Queen Witch of Hearts amalgamation; the ultimate fusion of evil queen + witch archetypes. I would not be surprised if we got some Oz up in here too.
So you're saying there's a small woman behind a curtain controlling a huge hologram of Big Mom right now?
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So you're saying there's a small woman behind a curtain controlling a huge hologram of Big Mom right now?
Sanji could melt Big Moms giant cake-golem exterior, revealing a much smaller woman within
And she could have a squadron of flying cookie-monkeys
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Anyone else think that Sanji's brother or whatever will be all mean and angry and then he will meet Nami and his demeanor will completely change? I know the whole Sanji girl crazy thing has been overdone but I have a feeling his family will act very similarly.
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This chapter reminds me of the happy, peaceful days.
! [![](http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r484/iamameatball/h002 2_zps6yamjstk.jpg)](http://s1168.photobucket.com/user/iamameatball/media/h002 2_zps6yamjstk.jpg.html)
Good times.
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How bout Bandersnatch then.
Dude… why? :(
IDK, could be. I just think Pedro matches the Cheshire Cat better.
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@Daz:
Sanji could melt Big Moms giant cake-golem exterior, revealing a much smaller woman within
And she could have a squadron of flying cookie-monkeys
What if the Three Eye Girl is playing jedi mind tricks on BM and is controlling her..:ninja:
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I really want to know ij Jinbe is marriedtTo one of the Big Mom daughters. If Capon is as part of being "alliance" with Big Mom I think it may be a possibility… Similar as it seems like Capone is.
And I asked as well if the "main" crew as Pekomz or Tamago has a wife as well. Personally I doubt it and I think it is just the "alliances"
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Germa66 is known as '' The EVIL army'' and Tsuru's DF allows her to clean the EVIL out of someone, and Sora won all battles agains't Germa66. Hmmmmm Tsuru= Sora?
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Might Marimo Vinsmock be the only brother that DID get along with Sanji, the irony. Maybe he'll offer himself as a double, that way the Strawhats can escape without any major confrontations against Big Mom, and after they leave and the truth is exposed Big Mom decides to destroy fishman island, or come after them to Wano?
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@Tamiel:
Might Marimo Vinsmock be the only brother that DID get along with Sanji, the irony. Maybe he'll offer himself as a double, that way the Strawhats can escape without any major confrontations against Big Mom, and after they leave and the truth is exposed Big Mom decides to destroy fishman island, or come after them to Wano?
What happened to your name signature thing, its was kinda nice :ninja:
Ehehe, that would be a good plot twist (the nice bro thing). Considering how many seemingly enemies become major allies (eg: Barto), there is a possibility of Oda pulling this off.