Don't worry, Luffy gets really big and hard in this one too.
And it'll be time for Doflamingo to bend over.
Gear 4th
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Just remembered the Gomu no Gigant Jet Shell. If Gear Fourth results on the handling of that state for infinite time thanks to Haki, my hype would turn into hate D:
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He will turn into a rubber ball that once it gets bouncing it will be unstoppable.
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THIS is the key to G4.
Luffy could never stretch like that before timeskip, this is the real step to achieve G4. Plasticity, which envolves muscles. He's going to be able to attack and change directions… awesome.
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THIS is the key to G4.Luffy could never stretch like that before timeskip, this is the real step to achieve G4. Plasticity, which envolves muscles. He's going to be able to attack and change directions… awesome.
A Mr.Fantastic/PlasticMan power-up is also an interesting idea, although I don't think it can increase his strength… so maybe Gear 5 :ninja:.
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@Shobu:
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THIS is the key to G4.
Luffy could never stretch like that before timeskip, this is the real step to achieve G4. Plasticity, which envolves muscles. He's going to be able to attack and change directions… awesome.
16 chars of Broken link
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Well: Luffy's pretty good @ spotting and learning how to use others skills. He learned how to use soru and the comment he made regarding Elizabello's punch makes me wonder if he'll ever use it regardless of who the foe turns out to be.
I wouldn't be surprised if he thought of gear 4 by seeing someone fight (possibly even Raleigh), on the condition it has to be "Luffy's style" of whatever he saw someone use.
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I had a thought that he might incorporate Bellamy's "Spring" effect by spiraling his limbs for more power by bending himself that way, in honor of Bellamy– a sort of fitting way to finish Doflamingo, who refused to acknowledge Bellamy.
But for Luffy to, in the few minutes since Bellamy's "death", come up with that and to be sure he can use that as an entire "gear", is pretty silly (and it'd be too coincidental if he'd come up with it before). -
Because Elizabello's bloodline, for the moment, is completely irrelevant to the story at the moment and has no connection to the clan of D as of right now.
Because a bloodline transformation amongst the Ds would have been hinted at with other D's that have been introduced.
And because it's really silly to me.
It's a bloodline trait that passes down from generation to generation, however subtly it was mentioned I can't believe that this type of thing won't show up again (or else would be extremely silly). It will most likely have some importance in the series at one point or another, and the only other real bloodline we know other than that right now is the Will of D, there's your connection
if luffy or a D hinted at it long ago we would already know what this transformation is and it would have no sense of shock and would be a terrible cliffhanger. It's especially critical to do it now after training with a guy who worked with roger after the time skip, and after meeting a King Ellizbello (who has one) and fighting a guy who's been built up since chapter 200
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I had a thought that he might incorporate Bellamy's "Spring" effect by spiraling his limbs for more power by bending himself that way, in honor of Bellamy– a sort of fitting way to finish Doflamingo, who refused to acknowledge Bellamy.
But for Luffy to, in the few minutes since Bellamy's "death", come up with that and to be sure he can use that as an entire "gear", is pretty silly (and it'd be too coincidental if he'd come up with it before).Maybe he could use Bellamy's move, not with springs but as a rubber ball, like a pinball machine.
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At the moment i have lowered my expectations as much as i can..so i think it will really be some lame combination of gear 3 and 4…especially given the pose where he seems to bite his wrist
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Gear 4 Muscles. Muscular Luffy
Gear 5 Giant Muscular form with the speed of Gear 2
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well luffy enflated his belly, feet , harm, hands but never his head I believe, it's about time, maybe he wil became very smart
Gear 4 confirmed:
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My 3 theories on Gear 4 is
1. He becomes giant.
2. something ultilizing full body armament haki
3. he goes Human Torch and goes "Flame On!"
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How is being a giant going to help him against Dofla? He'll be an even bigger target
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Gear 4: Luffy disappears in thin air, then appears again with Sabo in tow.
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My 3 theories on Gear 4 is
1. He becomes giant.
2. something ultilizing full body armament haki
3. he goes Human Torch and goes "Flame On!"
I hope you are joking.
Three theories I personally like:
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Compressing himself into a Chibi version, gaining both strength and speed at the cost of losing stretchability.
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Pump air in his muscles to increase fighting power.
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The pressure and explosion like thing which made his attacks fast and strong like those of Gedatsu.
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I hope you are joking.
Three theories I personally like:
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Compressing himself into a Chibi version, gaining both strength and speed at the cost of losing stretchability.
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Pump air in his muscles to increase fighting power.
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The pressure and explosion like thing which made his attacks fast and strong like those of Gedatsu.
Chibi Luffy is the best theory considering how Oda came out with Luffy's rubber powers.
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Chibi Luffy is the best theory considering how Oda came out with Luffy's rubber powers.
He wanted something that could be funny and weird for Luffy's abilities.But Chibi Luffy has already been done with Gear 3. While I like the theory, I consider it to be the least likely one to be true.
It clashes with the original Chibi Luffy. Plus, it hardens the body which was the effect of CoA hardening anyways.
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Shrinking? Airy muscles? Not sure how either of those would actually make punches hurt more than they do with gears 2, or 3, or none
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Gear 4: Luffy disappears in thin air, then appears again with Sabo in tow.
this is my favorite theory so far.
the rest of you need to step your prediction game up
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Shrinking? Airy muscles? Not sure how either of those would actually make punches hurt more than they do with gears 2, or 3, or none
(And didn't understand the third)Not shrinking per se, but compressing into hardened rubber.
Basically enlarging your muscle for more strength which won't be possible for a normal human but quite simple for a rubber man.
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Check this out.
Http://www.reddit.com/r/Onepiece/comments/28bhm9/luffy_gear_4_what_could_it_be/ci9joda
"A rubberband strecthing and snapping is a small scale earthquake, given they both exert more force with the release of build up tension. Now lufy is a rubberband and if he were to flex all the muscles in his body and release one set of muscle with enough built up tension from his body he could create earthquakes and or air shockswave explosions. Luffy could make any part of his body explode or cause an earthquake and launch his hands or feet like a rocket and hand greenades as powerful as his muscles would allow. Also
If two objects vibrate at different frequencies on atomic level they can both occupy the same space without interecting. If a living rubberband were to say pluck itself and tighten and release and hold the perfect vibration it could walk through walls. Now luffy vibrating his body at a frequency to leap in and out of 3 dimensional space without ever leaving would give luffy phantom like abilities." Che1ch from oro jackson forum discussion. All this wonderfull mabe crazy ideas could be what gear 4 is all about.
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I had a thought that he might incorporate Bellamy's "Spring" effect by spiraling his limbs for more power by bending himself that way, in honor of Bellamy– a sort of fitting way to finish Doflamingo, who refused to acknowledge Bellamy.
But for Luffy to, in the few minutes since Bellamy's "death", come up with that and to be sure he can use that as an entire "gear", is pretty silly (and it'd be too coincidental if he'd come up with it before).I was also thinking that Luffy could do a "tribute move" relating to Bellamy's spring attacks (though not as Gear 4).
The main problem with that is that I really don't think Luffy can willfully coil his own legs. That again goes more into the realm of body morphing and not something a rubber-man should be able to do. A more Luffy-like attack would be something akin to what he did against Crocodile, where he twisted himself in Balloon form to get the necessary recoil to launch himself into a deadly attack.
However, I can see Luffy doing something similar to Spring Hopper, except using his own rubber ability to bounce faster and faster and faster off object before delivering a finishing blow.
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Gear 4th could be a tribute to Bellamy…
Superball mode!!! Superfast and powerful rebound.
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@Mr.:
I was also thinking that Luffy could do a "tribute move" relating to Bellamy's spring attacks.
The main problem with that is that I really don't think Luffy can willfully coil his own legs. That again goes more into the realm of body morphing and not something a rubber-man should be able to do. A more Luffy-like attack would be something akin to what he did against Crocodile, where he twisted himself in Balloon form to get the necessary recoil to launch himself into a deadly attack.
However, I can see Luffy doing something similar to Spring Hopper, except using his own rubber ability to bounce faster and faster and faster off object before delivering a finishing blow.
Funny how I said the same thing at the same time lol.
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It has been a while since I posted on AP forums. Wanted to see what some of you guys thought about my Gear 4 theory. Gear Second
Normal blood vessels would take a lot of damage if blood was being pumped at a very high rate. Because the blood inside the arteries is being pushed around by the heart, the blood pushes against the insides of the artery walls. However, Since Luffy is rubber his body is able to cope with the increased pressure and it results in leveling up all his moves due to increase in speed.
Gear Second changes Luffy's limits on endurance performance, cardiac output, and blood volume and flow. Sweating is a normal physiological response to prolonged exercise but in Luffy's case his body is working to such a degree that we see steam instead.
Gear Third
Luffy blows air into his bones allowing him to punch/kick/etc as if he was a giant. This is possible because Luffy's bones are rubber as well. Maybe Oda got his inspiration for Gear 3 by watching the Tom and Jerry episode where Jerry's cousin does something very similar to Luffy's Gear Third.
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Gear Third changes Luffy's bone mass/size allowing him to take big powerful shots at his opponents.
Gear Fourth Luffy has found a way to surpass his physiological limitations with his blood vessels and his bones. This chapter it said that Luffy will surpass his limitations once again.
Luffy might surpass the muscle mechanisms that either limit, replace or modulate significantly the mechanical properties that are important to normal functions of muscles.
Gear 4th might increase his muscular strength. To see how Luffy might be able to do this we might have to look at what is the limiting factor.
First lets look at the lungs since the lungs serve a primary function of transferring oxygen from the atmosphere to the blood..and removing carbon dioxide from the body. In normal individuals, pulmonary diffusion is not a limiting factor..however, in well-trained endurance athletes, with much higher cardiac outputs..pulmonary diffusion may become a limiting factor. The very high cardiac outputs that highly trained athletes attain shortens the time period for blood to pick up oxygen in the lungs, possibly leading to lower blood oxygen saturation levels. This could be one reason why Gear 4th might have a shortened time period.
Working muscles demand considerably more oxygen and nutrients. To meet these needs, more blood must be allocated to the muscles. Luffy already takes care of this when he does Gear second..however for the most part he just increases his speed and doesn't really focus on pumping up his muscles. It is important to add that during intense endurance exercise the body redistributes blood flow to the metabolically active skeletal muscles, readying the tissues for extraction of the needed oxygen.
Different muscle fiber and Luffy's nervous system might come into play in Gear 4th. There is a reason why Chimps are stronger than humans (As much as FOUR TIMES STRONGER). There is a difference in muscle architecture between chimps and humans but I don't think that is the only thing.
There is an article that argues that humans may lack the strength of chimps because our nervous systems exert more control over our muscles. Our fine motor control prevents great feats of strength, but allows us to perform delicate and uniquely human tasks.
Great apes and chimps have fewer motor neurons so with their all-or-nothing muscle usage, they are explosive sprinters, fighters, but not that good at complex motor skills. Humans also may have a neural limit to how much muscle we use at one time..only under rare circumstances are these limits bypassed.
There are times when people are often thrown violently by their own extreme muscle contractions when they are shocked by electricity. So there probably is a degree of inhibition in people that prevents them from damaging their muscular system.
Since Luffy has rubber muscles I think he probably doesn't have to worry as much about preventing damage to his muscular system due to electricity. It could be possible that Luffy uses electricity in his Gear Fourth mode to improve his muscle contractions and response time..potentially making him 4x stronger.
Source: http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.1086/592023?uid=3739864&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21105960598141
If what I said is accurate then I think we have seen a prototype for Gear 4th in "One Piece Film: Strong World" when Luffy did Gigant Thor Axe and defeated Shiki. The way Luffy's hair was standing up due to the electricity looked pretty cool…and we know that the attack was ridiculously strong since it managed to defeat Shiki and destroyed a small Island IIRC.
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Another thing that I am hoping to see with Gear 4th is Luffy getting more muscular…perhaps to the point where he becomes the size and build of Gol D. Roger. This would be a nice addition and I would like to see the reaction from DD when he sees the striking resemblance between Luffy and the previous Pirate King.
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my own theory:
a. he inhales a lot of air from his surrounding constantly as his way of breathing in this mode.
b. instead of ballooning like gear 3rd, he uses koka in his whole (muscle, bone, etc) body wall and cavities to trap and compress the air pressure within his body, without changing his body volume.
c. More air with small room compression results in increases density of air pressure within. With this super pressure and also koka armament, Luffy is gonna be having a body almost as dense as a diamond.
d. he can't stretch in this mode, but his speed is more like the speed of Kuma's pressure cannon, which is said to be almost at speed of lightning because luffy is going to distribute a part of the pressure throughout his rubbery skin pores as super thrusters.
d. when his fist connects with body of target, meaning the target will be hit with lightning-speed, diamond density, then luffy will remove the koka in his fist, to allow super air pressure to blast away throughout his skin pores, resulting in a blast tens and tens of times more powerful than ursus shock, and if Zoro's Ichidai Sanzen Sekai can cut Pica in one slash, Luffy in this mode can destroy Noah or Pica just with one punch.
f. non-stop extensive inhaling will be the aerobic cellular respiration energy supply, so luffy in this mode has limitless stamina.
g. imagine luffy doing gomu2 storm or golden peony with this mode: a million of fists each near-diamond in density, near-lightningspeed, and imbued with super ursus shock.
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Maybe Gear 4 is Luffy transforming into a giant tentacle monster. He makes his fingers grow bigger and longer than his arms and uses his new form to capture Doflamingo instead of hurting him directly. When caught, he can proceed to beat a crap out of him with Gear 3.
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Given what the latest chapter's hints, it seems like Gear 4th will be both fast and powerful. Luffy's Gear 2nd punches were too weak too damage Doflamingo, and his Gear 3rd attacks were also shown to be too slow.
As for what I think Gear 4th is, it could have something to do with muscle, like other people said, but I am going to be very open with the underlying concept behind the form and just focus on the form itself (with muscles in mind). It probably sounds stupid and its a bit of a stretch (no pun intended), but at this point in the story, I guess stupid and crazy is more acceptable.
So basically, Luffy activates Gear 4th by pumping up his muscles, which pumps up his lower arms and legs, making them more dense (kind of play on the idea of "pumping (flexing) your muscles" to make them look bigger, except this time they stay that way and they actually make you stronger). It will look like Gear 3rd, however it will be much much smaller, and affect all 4 of his limbs. So visually, think of a miniature version of this:
In both his arms and legs. This form grants Luffy more strength, following the principles of more density= more strength, but since it is smaller, it allows for greater maneuverability. This both grants more strength and speed as a result. It grants speed for obvious reasons. As for strength, the amount of power in Gear 3rd is more concentrated, and given the additional speed boost, it becomes more powerful. Debating it in my head, it may not be as powerful as Gear 3rd (Muscle is not as hard as bone), which still makes Gear 3rd relevant, but it is quite up there in terms of power.
The effects, I imagine, will be very noticeable. A normal punch on a large stone wall will break entirely as if it were hit by a Gear 3rd. Attacks will also have some sort of air pressure effect on them, given that each punch is small, fast and powerful. Attacks don't even need to connect to hit opponents from a distance. Attacks on most opponents will also knock them back far as a result. "Knock-" can be a good word to describe the attacks, as it sounds fast and strong.
Given the extreme leg strength, jumps will also be very strong too. Luffy can jump extremely high into the air as if he using a pair of springs. I dunno how useful that is, but I guess that is a plus too.
As for side effects, nothing specific other than exhaustion. C'mon this is supposed to be OP .
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Sinreturns and Antares, really nice theories.
I still think Luffy will become some kind of a very muscular tank, of smaller size, not chibi, not able to stretch, pretty much a vulcanization.And last but not least
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All this muscles business sounds like Seimei Kikan.
As for me, I'm for the TakoHaki theory:
-CoA to make it strong
-CoO to know where they are going (unlike his fight with Ener)
-Gear Second to make them fastTadaaa
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There are certain systems that have not been explored and that could do with gear 4.
1)Muscles (as stated by many which to be honest makes sense somewhat)
2) The Nervous system. Now this I find interesting, All movement related to any being involves a bioelectric signal. Now, Luffy being a rubber man, has bioelectric signals that travel through rubber. Which either means that these signals are also different, from your average fellow or that somehow his body manages to carry on signals via other means.Could he excite his nervous system so as to reach an impact rupture and cause a wave (such as the impact dial or the Happou navy technique) who knows but it sounds quite amazing.
3) The lymphatic system. Which is the system that has to do with removing dead cells, debris, patogens, toxins and destroying waste. I[m not sure how this system works in a rubber man, but what would happen if Luffy could somehow alter it via air inyeccion, compresion or other. Who knows, even if I don[t believe that Luffy will ever get some regenerating ability, maybe his endurance and durability could be enhanced by altering and playing with this system. It is also the system that helps to process the blood through capilar filtration. so theres a lot to explore here.I am sure there are more systems in human biology but the ones I can think of considering Luffy's last stance (reaching his wrist to his mouth) are these. Then again, it could be related to skin for all we know.
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I don't think CNS is going to be. Just because it would be an enhanced Gear 2 in a way. Faster response times and being able to generate more power from muscles.
Haki is plausible only because it makes Luffy more durable to self-harming modes.
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If Gear 4 is any flame related ability , I'll be so underwhelmed. Like wise for the full body BH thing, I think that went out the door as a new gear for Luffy once Vergo did it.
My personal theory is similar to those that think he'll become a Giant. Except I think he'll grow increasingly muscular from pumping blood and air into his muscle mass. He'll retain his Gear 2 speed, if not faster. Think Nightmare Luffy but bigger.
Added extra would be if he could stretch more at will like Mr. Fantastic.
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Luffy should not become a Giant with Gear 4.
1.) Why didn't he use it against Noah?
2.) If he becomes a Giant, G3 would be obsolete. For any and all purposes, G4 is stronger and faster. I won't like that.
Getting a little bigger is fine, but too much size change and it starts clashing with G3.
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Luffy should not become a Giant with Gear 4.
1.) Why didn't he use it against Noah?
2.) If he becomes a Giant, G3 would be obsolete. For any and all purposes, G4 is stronger and faster. I won't like that.
Getting a little bigger is fine, but too much size change and it starts clashing with G3.
Getting 8 meters tall against Doflamingo would be funny and would make him fit with rumors we heard about Luffy on Shabaody after timeskip.
Some people saying "I thought he is 8 meters tall gigant".By turning bigger - not 8m though - and becomming something like Nightmare Luffy he would also very likely loose ability to strech. So against Noah something like that compared to Elephant Gattling would be useless.
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If Gear 4 is any flame related ability , I'll be so underwhelmed. Like wise for the full body BH thing, I think that went out the door as a new gear for Luffy once Vergo did it.
My personal theory is similar to those that think he'll become a Giant. Except I think he'll grow increasingly muscular from pumping blood and air into his muscle mass. He'll retain his Gear 2 speed, if not faster. Think Nightmare Luffy but bigger.
Added extra would be if he could stretch more at will like Mr. Fantastic.
Actually I think Nightmare Luffy but smaller than actual Luffy.
Just think, when you pull a rubber band it becomes thinner and with less density, now think if you could actually "push" a rubber band to make it thicker and more dense.
Maybe Luffy is going to remove hair from himself to "unstretch" instead of blowing himself.Again, Haki could be applied to Gear 4 to enhance it, but Gear 4 won't be Haki dependent.
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Getting 8 meters tall against Doflamingo would be funny and would make him fit with rumors we heard about Luffy on Shabaody after timeskip.
Some people saying "I thought he is 8 meters tall gigant".By turning bigger - not 8m though - and becomming something like Nightmare Luffy he would also very likely loose ability to strech. So against Noah something like that compared to Elephant Gattling would be useless.
Wasn't Nightmare Luffy able to stretch just fine? or was it just Anime?
Anyways, If he only grows a little bigger (2 maybe 3 times his size), it won't really be too much of a problem to Noah. So, I would be perfectly fine with it.
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Wasn't Nightmare Luffy able to stretch just fine? or was it just Anime?
Anyways, If he only grows a little bigger (2 maybe 3 times his size), it won't really be too much of a problem to Noah. So, I would be perfectly fine with it.
Also, if the losing his Stretching abilities somehow make sense in the context, it would be nice too.I mean that it would be logical if gear fourth would cost Luffy his ability to strech and it would fore him to fight only in CQC.
It has to backfire at him somehow and perhaps it does make him shirnk as after effect.I would love to see in fututre midget Luffy in fullbody CoA armor to kick ass of one of first villains from story Like Buggys ass or somebodys else.
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I mean that it would be logical if gear fourth would cost Luffy his ability to strech and it would fore him to fight only in CQC.
A rubberman losing the ability to stretch? I don't know. It's good in the name of a handicap, but it also removes the fundamental power Luffy has.
I won't be bothered by it, but I'm sure many people won't like the idea of Luffy losing the ability to stretch.It has to backfire at him somehow and perhaps it does make him shirnk as after effect.
Oda is way too creative to use the same handicap again on G4.
Maybe he would lose the ability to stretch as an after effect. It would make for a good handicap while not removing his ability for longer periods of time.I would love to see in fututre midget Luffy in fullbody CoA armor to kick ass of one of first villains from story Like Buggys ass or somebodys else.
Buggy is a Shichibukai, D, and future Pirate King. He won't be defeated till he finds the ultimate treasure he is looking for.
But yeah, chibi Luffy beating someone from past would be great, especially Lucci.
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A rubberman losing the ability to stretch? I don't know. It's good in the name of a handicap, but it also removes the fundamental power Luffy has.
I won't be bothered by it, but I'm sure many people won't like the idea of Luffy losing the ability to stretch.Oda is way too creative to use the same handicap again on G4.
Maybe he would lose the ability to stretch as an after effect. It would make for a good handicap while not removing his ability for longer periods of time.Buggy is a Shichibukai, D, and future Pirate King. He won't be defeated till he finds the ultimate treasure he is looking for.
But yeah, chibi Luffy beating someone from past would be great, especially Lucci.
Well it looks like using gear 3rd does not make Luffy shrink at all now after timeskip.
So making shrinking after effect of gear 4th might be possible I think if Luffys entire body will be stretched for some time- assuming gear 4th is enlarging his entire body.As for loosing Luffys ability to strech while using "gear 4th" - It would push him into finighting up and close to enemy.
As for old baddies I wonder how Arlong will be brought up into story. For some time I thought that he might be Celestial Dragons slave now, who knows if we wont see him when action will get to Holy Land.
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Is Luffy losing his stretching really that big of a deal? All he really uses it for is for those bazooka type moves. He does not even come close to using it like Mr. Fantastic. He rarely, if ever, wrap his body/arm around opponents, rarely uses it to evade, to leap great distances, etc. He really just uses it for Gear 3. Granted his fighting style would have to change, but i still dont see it being a big loss imo, especially if he gains more defense.
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How is being a giant going to help him against Dofla? He'll be an even bigger target
Why do you think CoO was made?
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Why do you think CoO was made?
Is he using it right now? Because he's still getting hit, even with his speed
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Is he using it right now? Because he's still getting hit, even with his speed
If he's in a state where strenght is a secure feat, he should be able to focus on get the CoO. One less thing to worry about, and the power enough to achieve what bothers him at this exactly moment.
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@Shobu:
Why do you think CoO was made?
CoO doesn't give you a speed boost.
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If he's in a state where strenght is a secure feat, he should be able to focus on get the CoO. One less thing to worry about, and the power enough to achieve what bothers him at this exactly moment.
If being a giant doesn't increase his reaction time, even if he focused on CoO, it wouldn't make a noticeable difference.
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CoO doesn't give you a speed boost.
If being a giant doesn't increase his reaction time, even if he focused on CoO, it wouldn't make a noticeable difference.
After watching an user using CoO to avoid a beam traveling at light speed, it is not really neccessary to get more speed.
We're talking about Luffy… Should i start saying what the mere shadow of him was able to do in a frozen body?
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