i dont know why i feel sugar will be the next straw hat nakama after this arc
Chapter 772: Cabbage & Romeo
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I never bitch about MP/MS, but after catching up with the releases of Powermanga and realized how I got involved in stupid discussions just because I/you didn't know what the fuck was actually being said, I feel like discussing chapters has become kinda redundant at this point; this chapter seemed like a fun one though.
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More importantly, it's not only about character being consistent, it's also about how they are painted in the context of the story. Hody Jones was a racist, but nothing about his racism was portrayed to be good or worthy of admiration.
Actions of Kyros ARE. He comes of as negative, but that is clearly not Oda's intention with this scene. And that's the problem with it.
I'm gonna have to agree. Kyros words are quite clearly meant to be Profound and Heroic. But what do they mean for Rebecca as a character? Should she just run away and hide so that she isn't a liability, fold her hands and be content that Big Strong Daddy Kyros will resolve the situation? "Thank goodness I don't have to fight anymore?" What the hell kind of character arc is that?
Can you imagine if Cobra got freed in Alabasta, and tried pulling something similar?
"You've fought hard Vivi, but now that Daddys here… YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING ANYMORE! Its very dangerous, so just let me and Kohza handle it!"
The only way I can see this situation being resolved with any dignity is if Rebecca tells Kyros to shut the fuck up because she spent the last 10 years training and fighting, and will be damned if she sits out the final battle for Dressrosa because Dad told her to.
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Gladius and Barto's power are pretty good.
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I really enjoyed this chapter! Quite fun and entertaining!!!
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-Kryos not wanting his daughter to swing a sword is highly sexist but I'm not surprised as Oda has a history of not doing women justice in One Piece.
-another week, more dragging out of Zoro vs the underpowered Pica
-Hakuba beat Dellinger way too easily, making it anticlimacticPros
-All the various moments between Cavendish and Bartolomeo! Very funny and entertaining!
-first attempt to have Robin be in an actual fight since this saga began way back in Punk Hazard
-Bart's actions towards Robin were cute lol
-Anything involving Dellinger as a bad ass this chapter
-Seeing Gladius in action.
-Seeing Hakuba againOverall it was fun though! :)
So you're the guy that'd beat up a woman if she badmouthed you or broke your stuff in order to provoke you; And would've no qualms beating the shit out of them in a fight?
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I'm with the wrong wording right feelings on part of Kyros. Rebecca isn't a warrior by choice but out of necesity, Kyros as a parent is in all his right for asking his underaged daughter to stop wearing chainmail bikinis and fighting madmen for the amusement of others, and Rebecca is in all her right to dissobey his father and keep on fighting to deffend herself and her one legged father any way that she can.
Right now trying to reposition herself in a way that any attack that Diamante makes at her, leaves him open to Kyros would be the best way possible to help.
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And four.
Funnily enough, I was going to make an argument out of this.
And I could, really. Like the fact that holding fictional characters to the real life standarts is stupid, if only because of how different those worlds are. Or that he is acting against her own wishes.
Or that is not his actions, but words that are troublesome.
But you know what? Fuck it. I'm fucking done.
Well, you satarted it. All of it.
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Bullshit. It is not consistent with his treating of Rebecca in the slightest.
Uh, yes it is. What was the last time Kyros encouraged Rebecca to fight? He himself feels guilty for only teaching her how to fight.
Did he suddenly became immortal? Will he be forever young and strong? Are they not living on the most dangerous of the six seas?
Dressrosa seemed pretty strong in terms of military for a so-called symbol of peace. So much that it survived centuries and its biggest problems were internal.
He agreed that he was not going to be around forever. Now he acts as if he will. He acknowledged her right to make her own concieous decisions. Now he does not. If anything, his behavior is contradictory to what have been established earlier.
Wasn't Rebecca running away saying she didn't want to fight anymore just a few chapters ago? Also, ever since she was a child, she's been against fighting.
Kyros is not the one being inconsistent here.
More importantly, it's not only about character being consistent, it's also about how they are painted in the context of the story. Hody Jones was a racist, but nothing about his racism was portrayed to be good or worthy of admiration.
Actions of Kyros ARE. He comes of as negative, but that is clearly not Oda's intention with this scene. And that's the problem with it.
Trying to defend his daughter from an enemy is not supposed to be negative. In fact, I dunno why anybody would see it as negative. Sure, Rebecca is not harmless, but there's no reason to believe she's anywhere close to Diamante's level.
But then again, people are going to defend it regardless of anything I say, so why bother?
That's the point of discussions. I argue, you argue against, he/she argues…
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@Daz:
I'm gonna have to agree. Kyros words are quite clearly meant to be Profound and Heroic. But what do they mean for Rebecca as a character? Should she just run away and hide so that she isn't a liability, fold her hands and be content that Big Strong Daddy Kyros will resolve the situation? "Thank goodness I don't have to fight anymore?" What the hell kind of character arc is that?
Can you imagine if Cobra got freed in Alabasta, and tried pulling something similar?
"You've fought hard Vivi, but now that Daddys here… YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING ANYMORE! Its very dangerous, so just let me and Kohza handle it!"
The only way I can see this situation being resolved with any dignity is if Rebecca tells Kyros to shut the fuck up because she spent the last 10 years training and fighting, and will be damned if she sits out the final battle for Dressrosa because Dad told her to.
First of all, Rebecca has to make up her mind whether she wants to fight or not.
Because a few chapters ago, she didn't want to fight anymore. Now she wants to fight, but still stated that she was being more of a burden than anything.
It's not Kyros' fault that he acts the way he's doing right now, so the issue is not on him.
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@Daz:
I'm gonna have to agree. Kyros words are quite clearly meant to be Profound and Heroic. But what do they mean for Rebecca as a character? Should she just run away and hide so that she isn't a liability, fold her hands and be content that Big Strong Daddy Kyros will resolve the situation? "Thank goodness I don't have to fight anymore?" What the hell kind of character arc is that?
Can you imagine if Cobra got freed in Alabasta, and tried pulling something similar?
"You've fought hard Vivi, but now that Daddys here… YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING ANYMORE! Its very dangerous, so just let me and Kohza handle it!"
The only way I can see this situation being resolved with any dignity is if Rebecca tells Kyros to shut the fuck up because she spent the last 10 years training and fighting, and will be damned if she sits out the final battle for Dressrosa because Dad told her to.
That is the stance I personaly come from as well, especially that her never wanting to fight was such out of left field thing Oda did, with no earlier build up to it.
Really now, it's made worse by the fact that Kyros DID failed her before. He has no ground nor basis for such bold claims that his daughter will never have to swing sword again when they live on the sea commonly considered hell, where countries are slaughtered on a whim. Hell, he is not even winning right now.
That is not even taking into account that he is twenty years her senior.
And that's not even taking into account her portrayl through out the arc.
As you said, what the hell kind of character arc is that?
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I got surprised by this chapter and I love it. I didn´t expect hakuba to be the one Knocking out dellinger but the execution was so magnificent it really paid off.Hopefully next chapter will be about franky and señor Pink. The enemies remaining are Gladius, Pink, Pica, Diamante, Trebol and Dofla himself. Is the first time I´m actually thinking we are getting there.
Franky already beat Señor Pink or am I confused Oo?
Its only Gladius and the main officers left.
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I think the fact that Rebecca wants to join the battle gives the scene a much better light than when Kyros first saved Rebecca. It might have been a shoddy translation, but people were complaining about the complete 180 of her character trying to run away from Diamanté and how she didn't want to fight anymore. She's at least willing to take up her sword again after recompiling herself and wants to help out, and it's still early in the battle. The ideal situation is she does assist in the end (perfect scenario would have been she just went ahead as helped out without asking for permission, but I don't think anything about her character suggested that would have been in or out of character) but would not be surprised if she just watched the entire fight instead.
Now at least, the scene becomes about an overprotective father regretting that the only thing he could do for her at a time is risk her life because he couldn't protect her. Context wise given her introduction as a warrior it kinda sucks, and the societal implications along with Kyros' wording at the moment might be offputting, but I can get behind dad not wanting his daughter to get hurt if he can help it.
Yeah, it's a small shame Dellinger got nerfed to hype Hakuba, but personally he's minor enough of a villain for me to not be that bothered/invested, and he did take out a few guys in the beginning of the fight and did a lot of damage to Ideo.
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Well, you satarted it. All of it.
*Started. And last time I checked, I had free will and ability to posses my own opinions.
Who told you to jump on it, if you weren't interested in the discussion in the first place? Did you expected me to back down because you use some straw-man arguments and whatever?
Really?
Here is an interesting fact. I have very rarely posted more then once on the same subject out of my own volition. Beyond that, I only respond to the responses to my posts.
If you didn't wanted a discussion on the subject, why start it? How about you acknowledge the right of others to have an opinion different then yours once in a while and won't need to fight it?
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That is the stance I personaly come from as well, especially that her never wanting to fight was such out of left field thing Oda did, with no earlier build up to it.
Really now, it's made worse by the fact that Kyros DID failed her before. He has no ground nor basis for such bold claims that his daughter will never have to swing sword again when they live on the sea commonly considered hell, where countries are slaughtered on a whim. Hell, he is not even winning right now.
That is not even taking into account that he is twenty years her senior.
And that's not even taking into account her portrayl through out the arc.
As you said, what the hell kind of character arc is that?
I don't think you're understanding Kyros' character. Remember his very own flashback where he hated himself for killing and acted like Scarlett and Rebecca were the best things to happen to his life. He refused to even touch her daughter without gloves.
Basically, it's no surprise that he would act and talk so overprotectively. This portrayal could be considered heroic, or negative, or heck, even both.
It's Rebecca's character that's being inconsistent here. Like Daz said, if she wants to retain some sort of cred, she has to confront her father in order to make him understand and not say stuff like "I'M A BURDEN!!!".
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Hakuba is, was and will be the best addition to this arc. He's just so cool.
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Uh, yes it is. What was the last time Kyros encouraged Rebecca to fight? He himself feels guilty for only teaching her how to fight.
He encouraged her to fend for herself. Which he is contradicting right now.
Dressrosa seemed pretty strong in terms of military for a so-called symbol of peace. So much that it survived centuries and its biggest problems were internal.
And it was ended effortlessly by one pirate crew in one night.
Luck is not something you should just relay on. In the bloody New World no less.
And your argument about surviving centuries is too baseless to stand. They were not destroyed, but that's not enough to say that she will never have the need to defend herself ever again.
Wasn't Rebecca running away saying she didn't want to fight anymore just a few chapters ago? Also, ever since she was a child, she's been against fighting.
Kyros is not the one being inconsistent here.
I am arguing that this kind of characterisation is a problem, that's point A.
Kyros had not acknowledged that position as viable. Not to mention that's counter-intuitive to entire concept of character development.
Trying to defend his daughter from an enemy is not supposed to be negative. In fact, I dunno why anybody would see it as negative. Sure, Rebecca is not harmless, but there's no reason to believe she's anywhere close to Diamante's level.
I am not arguing that mere fact of him defending her is negative. It's the context of the scene and his wording while defending her that is wrong.
That's the point of discussions. I argue, you argue against, he/she argues…
Yes, but the difference between me and you is that my arguments are dissmissed on the basis that it is me saying it and no other.
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He has no ground nor basis for such bold claims that his daughter will never have to swing sword again when they live on the sea commonly considered hell, where countries are slaughtered on a whim.
Actually, Dressrosa has never had a war for quite a lot of years as stated in one of the previous chapters so conflicts weren't really a common thing for them. I would probably blame Rebecca for having a dynamic I'll fight/I won't fight kinda mentality. Kyros has been shown as someone who was taking care of her from the start. He taught her how to fight because he won't be able to protect her in his toy form hence taught her only how to defend herself probably in case of just emergencies. In fact, he was against her fighting in the colloseum because of the class of fighters present in it. Now that he is back to his human form, he just don't want to make her daughter fight anymore which sounds reasonable.
Although unlikely, it would be great for Rebecca to defeat Diamante somehow to prove to her father that she can take care of herself. As I said, very unlikely…
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Omg you guys are such sexists. Guilty conscience right here. Idk why otherwise you'd interpret that scene that way when is a different context to read, their father-daughter relationship.
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*Started. And last time I checked, I had free will and ability to posses my own opinions.
Who told you to jump on it, if you weren't interested in the discussion in the first place? Did you expected me to back down because you use some straw-man arguments and whatever?
Really?
Here is an interesting fact. I have very rarely posted more then once on the same subject out of my own volition. Beyond that, I only respond to the responses to my posts.
Exactly! you start things up, people reply to them. What I wrote was just my comment on how you ended your post with: "But you know what? Fuck it. I'm fucking done."
From your own words, Let me return them right back at you
If you didn't wanted a discussion on the subject, why start it? How about you acknowledge the right of others to have an opinion different then yours once in a while and won't need to fight it?
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I don't think you're understanding Kyros' character. Remember his very own flashback where he hated himself for killing and acted like Scarlett and Rebecca were the best things to happen to his life. He refused to even touch her daughter without gloves.
Will you stop with "You just don't get it" argument? It's a fallacy. You are acknowledging your interpretation of character as the only one that's viable, which is not true at all.
Basically, it's no surprise that he would act and talk so overprotectively. This portrayal could be considered heroic, or negative, or heck, even both.
But it's portrayed as heroic. Or are you arguing that Oda of all people was intending for us to interpret it negatively?
It's Rebecca's character that's being inconsistent here. Like Daz said, if she wants to retain some sort of cred, she has to confront her father in order to make him understand and not say stuff like "I'M A BURDEN!!!".
They are both bad. Though for different reasons.
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I expect Robin to slap some sense to Kyros and Rebecca in later chapter that being a family means "going through hardship together", not letting the head of the family shoulder all the burden.
"Where in this frail body do I find the strength to stand up?"
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Now a father that want to protect a daughter is sexist ???
In what kind of twisted world you people live? Seriously?Every parent will tell you that even if you raise your children in a way that they will grow independent and strong , you still see them as your little baby and you still want to protect them no matter what. There is no inconsistency here, juste basic parenting 1.0.1.
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I expect Robin to slap some sense to Kyros and Rebecca in later chapter that being a family means "going through hardship together", not letting the head of the family shoulder all the burden.
It makes no sense unless you ignore concept of battle. They're not there on walk, a wrong tactical decision leads to injury or death.
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Omg you guys are such sexists. Guilty conscience right here. Idk why otherwise you'd interpret that scene that way when is a different context to read, their father-daughter relationship.
And to that I say: Burn all the straw-mans!
… Seriously. It's like arguing that every fan of Garp is a closet child abuser.
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I guess Surume didn't carry Wadatsumi far enough.
Awesome Chapter! While I am not a Rebecca fan, I do hope she can do something worthy of praise, like disobey her father and fight by his side.
Don't worry Bartolomeo, that is how the vast majority of male [and some female ;)] OP fans would react if Robin winked at us. Those are some nifty moves with the Barriers as well. The way Barto and Cavendish interact together is priceless.
Dellinger, I commend you for being such a beast; no wonder DD had this guy in his crew since infant-hood.
Last, but no way in hell the least, Hakuba has awakened; here's hoping that Dellinger is not down yet.
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So what are you bets on which order the rest of the officers will go down? Mine is:
Gladius (by Bartolemeo)
Trebol (fodder for a serieus Luffy, maybe with a little help of Law's last energy)
Diamante (by Kyros, Robin combo)
Pica (by Zoro)
Senor Pink +factory (by Franky)
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Now a father that want to protect a daughter is sexist ???
In what kind of twisted world you people live? Seriously?
Every parent will tell you that even if you raise your children in a way that they will grow independent and strong , you still see them as your little baby and you still want to protect them no matter what. There is no inconsistency here, juste basic parenting 1.0.1.It's more of a thing in what kind of twisted world they are living in.
Or did you forget that she was almost sold to slavery and eaten by wild dogs before she was eight?
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Have any of them tried to justify Garps abusive parenting, if you can even call leaving a persona lone in woods and for others to raise as parenting?
What does have to do with anything?
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It's more of a thing in what kind of twisted world they are living in.
Or did you forget that she was almost sold to slavery and eaten by wild dogs before she was eight?
This have nothing to do with what i'm saying.
What i'm saying is: in what world one has to lives to see a sexist act in a father protecting a daughter.French One Piece Fanfiction: http://www.jeuxvideo.com/forums/42-3…post_893839745
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Well, Kyros could be an overprotective naive dad who knows no better than to act like this at the moment. It's up to Rebecca to decide how she could be of help to her dad, by either staying out of Dimante's reach or moving in-on to distract him(act like the decoy) and give Kyros the opening to strike him down. But the question is, does he have that much faith in her fighting abilities so much that he'd focus only on striking Dia down while not worrying about protecting her?
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Based on him saying that he would have left Ideo alive had he just played dead shows he wasn't making sure he was dead as opposed to Diamante this chapter being pure evil taunting the man who's wife he killed saying he'll kill his daughter too as part of fate.
At this stage in the game I think Oda wouldn't spend so much time showing that there are good aspects of Doflamingo's crew, noting that nobody on his crew besides the seats knows his nature, and slowly showing that some of the crew's relationship is a facade to not make something of it. I think that the "good" members of Dofla's crew will end up with Law.
I love in particular the "Victory upon a mountain of sacrifices? That's what cowards do!" line because Doflamingo's whole schtick is being willing to sacrifice his crew mates for his own victories. Dellinger doesn't know Dofla's true nature and once he finds out he's one of those sacrifices maybe he'll change his tune.
i think you should take his words for what they are:just words.facts are different he is a d..k
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I think the lack of pretty girl fighting or getting beat up is getting to people. I mean even the Smile factory manager didn't get beat up and got defeated by the power of love. I blame the lack of "designated girl fight" in this arc, it makes people feel like everything is sexist.
Fans make the fandom. What is your fandom made of?
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This have nothing to do with what i'm saying.
What i'm saying is, in what world someone lives to see a sexist act in a father protecting a daughter.I didn't say sexists. I said demeaning. Those two things are different.
And I still consider it that. It is demeaning to her as character. The fact that she goes along with it does not change that.
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This have nothing to do with what i'm saying.
What i'm saying is: in what world one has to lives to see a sexist act in a father protecting a daughter.The issue it is n't if its sexist or not, its Rebecca's character.
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What does have to do with anything?
Idk why you can't figure it out. Maybe you have different understanding of some terms I used. Maybe term "sexism" associates with something different. As far as I know "sexism" is a term used to describe a problematic situation where one get's abused just because of his/hers gender, or something on that direction.
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This have nothing to do with what i'm saying.
What i'm saying is: in what world one has to lives to see a sexist act in a father protecting a daughter.I think the thing people react to is the fact that he is overprotective. Sure, it is all fair to protect your daughter, but the thing with Rebecca is the fact that she is supposed to be a female warrior who go against all odds, scared to death but still doing it. What happened instead is that she became a bitchy, annoying crybaby who's sole purpose now is to be damsel in distress #123432244544. It might just be that Oda has planted a moral story in the middle of this, like Rebecca takes it all to heart and decide to be useful and Kyros's doubts disappear entirely.
I'm not sure how I would feel about that either. But I'm fairly sure Oda's intentions isnt bad, and opposed to Kishimoto, he can actually write strong women.
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@Miss:
I think the lack of pretty girl fighting or getting beat up is getting to people. I mean even the Smile factory manager didn't get beat up and got defeated by the power of love. I blame the lack of "designated girl fight" in this arc, it makes people feel like everything is sexist.
You are confusing things.
Here is a thing: it would not be much better if it was Kyros son named, I dunno, Robert, for example.
Well, yes, it would be a little bit better, because Oda has terrible track record with women, and adding her into that group is not helping, but you get my point.
And we should not speak about "Man's World". That was just insulting.
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Idk why you can't figure it out. Maybe you have different understanding of some terms I used. Maybe term "sexism" associates with something different. As far as I know "sexism" is a term used to describe a problematic situation where one get's abused just because of his/hers gender, or something on that direction.
Yes.
Which is why nobody worth their salt argued that the situation was sexist.
I'm pretty sure the term didn't appeared once.
Sexism is not grounds we are arguing the terribleness of the situation on. Thus, using that as counter-argument against us is eristic at best.
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I really enjoyed this chapter! Quite fun and entertaining!!!
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-Kryos not wanting his daughter to swing a sword is highly sexist but I'm not surprised as Oda has a history of not doing women justice in One Piece.
-another week, more dragging out of Zoro vs the underpowered Pica
-Hakuba beat Dellinger way too easily, making it anticlimacticPros
-All the various moments between Cavendish and Bartolomeo! Very funny and entertaining!
-first attempt to have Robin be in an actual fight since this saga began way back in Punk Hazard
-Bart's actions towards Robin were cute lol
-Anything involving Dellinger as a bad ass this chapter
-Seeing Gladius in action.
-Seeing Hakuba againOverall it was fun though! :)
a father wanting to protect his 16 year old daughter from a fight she can't win is sexist
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I wonder if Zoro commenting on remembering the happo navy alludes to something he learned during the time skip.
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I don't think Dellinger is finished, since he hasn't gotten the "defeated" text blurb yet, like Lao G & Baby 5 did last chapter. :x
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Yes.
Which is why nobody worth their salt argued that the situation was sexist.
I'm pretty sure the term didn't appeared once.
Sexism is not grounds we are arguing the terribleness of the situation on. Thus, using that as counter-argument against us is eristic at best.
Thanks. I must be still out of line after going through Christmas and stuff around it. I kinda don't feel like I can thing straigth. My "guilty conscience" comment was out of place and made contradiction. Sorry.
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It makes no sense unless you ignore concept of battle. They're not there on walk, a wrong tactical decision leads to injury or death.
While I agree, I also think that OP isn't that all pragmatic when it comes to fight. I can't think of more satisfying result for Kyros and 'Becca other than the latter stop being the former's greatest liability in the middle battle by being able to at least defend herself (maybe with Robin's support).
"Where in this frail body do I find the strength to stand up?"
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I don't think Dellinger is finished, since he hasn't gotten the "defeated" text blurb yet, like Lao G & Baby 5 did last chapter. :x
machvise didnt get that either
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Bullshit. It is not consistent with his treating of Rebecca in the slightest.
Did he suddenly became immortal? Will he be forever young and strong? Are they not living on the most dangerous of the six seas?
Who is to say that the story can't repeat itself? Him?
He agreed that he was not going to be around forever. Now he acts as if he will. He acknowledged her right to make her own concieous decisions. Now he does not. If anything, his behavior is contradictory to what have been established earlier.
More importantly, it's not only about character being consistent, it's also about how they are painted in the context of the story. Hody Jones was a racist, but nothing about his racism was portrayed to be good or worthy of admiration.
Actions of Kyros ARE. He comes of as negative, but that is clearly not Oda's intention with this scene. And that's the problem with it.
But then again, people are going to defend it regardless of anything I say, so why bother?
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You would be surprised how many people disagree with you on that.
I actually find it consistent. He is just the typical father who wants his "princess" to have a nice peaceful life without fighting. The situation turned for the worst so he had no choice but to teach her how to defend herself because he was unable to but now he wants to repay a kind of debt he had to Scarlet, Rebecca and himself, I actually dont find it negative nor sexist. Why is it so hard, Rebecca isn´t a Sheena warrior princess type of character, she´s just your average 16 year old girl who wants to enjoy a happy life, she didn´t choose the gladiator proffesion to make a living out of it.
I find it funny how some people can´t see a male character helping a female one even if said woman is his own child. It almost always ends up in screams of sexism and outrage (This last paragraph is not directly in response to your post darth but to other people who seem to thrive and fest in sexism hunting)
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Wadatsumi, eh? Can't say it's the rematch I needed to see but it's an advance in the story.
The Sai-Baby 5 marraige is going to be hilarious.
Did Zoro get lost or has he even forgotten to look for Pica now?Ok, Ideo is a long-arm tribesman. That explains it. At first I thought he had a weapon but it's a martial stance. Taken out fairly decisively by Dellinger.
The Cavendish/ Bartolomeo double-act was what I've wanted to see since they were introduced. And it was glorious! C+B for their very own nakama!
Poor little Dellinger, I wonder if he did get fully one-shotted? Even if he was I'm looking forward to a Bartolomeo-Hekuba-Gladius free for all.As for Kyros. Well either Diamante takes him out and his daughter uses the sword skills we've been told so much about to avenge him, or they fight together as a family. Either/ or, just… anything but the crying.
Interesting about the fighting fish being important to Dressrosa and Dofla happens to have a half Ff babt-fishman with him when he invades. Was Dellinger, like Sugar, one of the pieces of his plan of conquest?
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Not a bad chapter, though it bugs me that both Machvise and, specially, Lao G got to be a bit more prominent on their demise chapters, and yet Dellinger, the guy that has put 4 gladiators to sleep (+ Bellamy) appears right when the chapter's in its last beats, and gets offed at the top of his game. He deserved at least to be at the center of the chapter, not someone who just happened to stroll on someone else's battlefield and got offed for being careless.
Still, I'll get what I can from this chapter, and there's stuff to be goten here: some great DF display by Gladius and Bartolomeo, Cavendish and Barto interactions are pretty cool, Hakuba always makes for some deliciously slick and cool panels, Dellinger at least broke the formula of the past two chapters by NOT allowing his opponent even a friendship speech power-up (man, he made a number on Ideo, that guy's a freaking mess right now. . .) and, lookie here, it seems now Rebecca at least wants to fight, and now the issue is that Kyros feels so guilty he forced his peace-loving daughter to fight for a decade that he no longer wants to allow it. It's far from the best scenario, but also a step above Rebecca suddenly realizing she was on a battlefield and, oh my, I just hate fighting! Didn't realize this till now!
So, yeah, I definitely had more fun with the last two chapters (I think the flow was a bit erratic; I sweat that panel with the Barrier Bulldozer attack made me look twice if I had jumped a page inbetween, it looked out of place), but it was still solid fun, and some great panels in there, that's for sure.
Now, nothing till January 15. . .shit.
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now half fishmen can mutate parts of their bodies between the two species?
I'm not happy when oda makes something with no real explanation happen..but it's a minor thing.wonder how he will use hakuba now…if we have to go by his description last time,we have suddenly another big name on the stage.
also,I would have prefer to witness the "transformation",because that would have finally made clear if the theory that hakuba can forcefully put cabbage to sleep when he wants is true or not
We already knew that Delligner was able to make his body change, or did you forget the scenes (sorry I did forget the chapters) where his fin is shown coming out of his back?Besides, remember Arlong? He was able to change his body too.. take out his teeth and regrow a set within moments.
It's not just 'shark thing' since no other shark-based fishman has been able to do that. Not even Hody. So some fishmen, but not all, have a limited ability to change parts of their bodyInteresting about the fighting fish being important to Dressrosa and Dofla happens to have a half Ff babt-fishman with him when he invades. Was Dellinger, like Sugar, one of the pieces of his plan of conquest?
One thing that ruins that theory. The Fighting Fish were there for a long time before Doffy arrived. They actually arrived in the waters between Green bit and Dressrossa 200 years ago.
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We already knew that Delligner was able to make his body change, or did you forget the scenes (sorry I did forget the chapters) where his fin is shown coming out of his back?
One thing that ruins that theory. The Fighting Fish were there for a long time before Doffy arrived. They actually arrived in the waters between Green bit and Dressrossa 200 years ago.
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He encouraged her to fend for herself. Which he is contradicting right now.
Because he had no choice at the time, and he feels terribly guilty for that.
And it was ended effortlessly by one pirate crew in one night.
And your argument about surviving centuries is too baseless to stand. They were not destroyed, but that's not enough to say that she will never have the need to defend herself ever again.
Effortlessly? Doula Mongo's plan required at least 2 different DF powers and 2 inside men in the form of Vergo (to prevent the Marines from interfering) and Monet in order to work. It was all very carefully planned.
And outside of that night, it has been doing very well in terms of military defense. It has an army, a police force and the local gladiators, as well as Dwarves. Remember also that this island should be close to the Marines headquarters and has several allied nations, including Prodence. Even Fujitora sees it as a symbol of peace, which implies that he wants it to remain a peaceful nation.
I am arguing that this kind of characterisation is a problem, that's point A.
Kyros had not acknowledged that position as viable. Not to mention that's counter-intuitive to entire concept of character development.
I am not arguing that mere fact of him defending her is negative. It's the context of the scene and his wording while defending her that is wrong.
Kyros never wanted his daughter to fight. And that's being shown now. This is in respect of Scarlett and Rebecca's own wishes (which are in honor of her mother).
It will probably turn out that he was misinterpreting Rebecca about her being willing to fight and being wrong in the end, but what Kyros is doing right now is consistent to his relationship with Scarlett and kid Rebecca, which he sees as pure beings.
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Wow covering a lot of ground here. Good, hopefully by the spring we'll be near the end of this arc.
- Oh peachy the baby giant fishmen is back again. We really need a re-match with this guy? -
- That face on Diamante. Geez, I knew the guy was crazy but…wow
- I agree with whomever said Sai and Baby 5's wedding needs a cover story. I would love to see that.
- Likewise for Bart and Cavendish, these guys are hilarious
- Well looks like Delligenr follows Doflamingo's teachings. Go fig. But I loved just how he sprouts that to Ideo, BOOM Karma kicks him right in the nads no sooner then he reaches Level 3. I was honestly laughing out loud when that happened. Gotta love a villain who doesn't realize his words goes BOTH ways.
Well not a bad cliffhanger to end off on for the Christmas break. See ya in a week.
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While I agree, I also think that OP isn't that all pragmatic when it comes to fight. I can't think of more satisfying result for Kyros and 'Becca other than the latter stop being the former's greatest liability in the middle battle by being able to at least defend herself (maybe with Robin's support).
Hmmhh, sorry but mny brain doesn't work that way. I'd understand if she just chooses to fight despite, but I don't think that concept of supporting your family members translates into her having to fight. You know that it's easier to fight solo than with a worse teammate(edit: sorry, maybe you don't), if you've experience at playing any team based online games. I can think of only 1 way of using worse teammate more efficiently than solo- by using him as bait. Which is probably not something you want if your goal is to protect him instead.
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