Mmm, again not sure what you are trying to get at, and what does that have to do with what I posted above.
The Lev Ely Discussion Thread
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@K.:
Mmm, again not sure what you are trying to get at, and what does that have to do with what I posted above.
I was talking about how you said that Blackbeard raiding Baltigo didn't result in a rescue mission with the Straw Hats. And you were talking earlier to No Swords about fearing that Oda wouldn't have any tragedies happen if the Straw Hats can't be present. I was responding by saying that it's more complicated than that.
Oda would never write a rescue arc with the Revolutionaries like that because he wouldn't have the Revolutionaries suffer any major defeats in battle aside from probably retreating. And I was connecting that to my opinion on how and why Oda off-panels certain fights/events for particular reasons, and how we haven't seen enough from the Revolutionaries to allow them to have a major defeat in battle yet.
Basically, he is not going to have a character suffer a major defeat that puts them in great peril unless this character's strength, as well as that of their competitor, has been heavily showcased before then.
! This is why Ace versus Blackbeard was mostly on-panel. If it was completely off-panel, then you would have fans complaining by saying "How could somebody defeat a Logia like Ace? What could Blackbeard ever do in a fight with a Yonko Commander, he looked like a weakling back in Jaya and couldn't even catch Luffy! Oda pulled a defeat out of his ass just suit the plot. Where did Ace and Blackbeard even meet when Ace had no idea where Teach was?". Byt by seeing how Teach met Ace, and how he has the Yami Yami no Mi, Blackbeard being revealed to have won the fight in Thriller Bark was surprising, but plausible. It was satisfying for fans.
! Then came Akainu defeating Aokiji and becoming Fleet Admiral. We already saw how powerful they were pre-timeskip at the end of Long Ring Long Land and in Marineford. We saw how Akainu's lava powers were stronger than Ace's fire and how Ace could counter one of Aokiji's ice attacks. And we knew most of all that Akainu and Aokiji don't agree on their sense of justice, as seen in Robin's flashback and how they both treat their soldiers differently. So when we learned from Jinbe at the end of Fishman Island how Akainu beat Aokiji, we already had enough info to be satisfied with why such a battle would happen and how it turned out.
! In Zou, we learned about how Marco and the Whitebeard Remnants lost against the Blackbeard Pirates. But we could swallow that because of what we saw from Whitebeard and Blackbeard's feats during the fight with Ace and throughout Marineford. Even when Blackbeard just got the Devil Fruit, he wrecked all of Marineford with one attack. And we knew ever since Fishman Island that he became a Yonko, so it was a given that he became stronger. The Gorosei even said right before the timeskip that the one contender who could go up against Teach to become the next Yonko would be Marco. We saw how strong Marco was at Marineford and we saw how his crew had to retreat once Whitebeard was down. Jozu even lost an arm to Aokiji at Marineford. So when we learned that Teach's forces beat Marco's forces, it was believable.But what do we know about the Revolutionaries? All we have is what we have seen from Ivankov and Sabo, the latter having only just gotten his Devil Fruit at Dressrosa. We haven't seen ANYTHING of Dragon's battle capabilities. We have only gotten hints of what his powers might be from abnormal weather conditions. If Oda has Dragon lose against Teach off-panel, fans would go: "What are Dragon's powers? Wow, the Revolutionaries are so weak. I can't believe we never saw how Dragon could fight, and now he lost/needs help. Sabo curbstomped Burgess twice at Dressrosa, how could the Blackbeard Pirates win?". Dragon hasn't even met Luffy or had his motivations explored yet, so him losing wouldn't feel emotionally satisfying either so much as just disappointing.
Now in regards to Alabasta, that's different and really would be just that the Straw Hats wouldn't be able to intervene lol. But it's not as much that Alabasta can't be destroyed so much as that there wouldn't be much drama behind that happening if the Straw Hats didn't at least TRY to stop that in present time. It would just be a background event and would be forgotten until it become relevant after the Elbaf or Raftel.
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@Count:
I was talking about how you said that Blackbeard raiding Baltigo didn't result in a rescue mission with the Straw Hats. And you were talking earlier to No Swords about fearing that Oda wouldn't have any tragedies happen if the Straw Hats can't be present. I was responding by saying that it's more complicated than that.
I understand what you are saying, but I am not sure I see the connection to what I was saying. The tragedy was Alabasta, not, from what I gather, the defeat of the revolutionaries.
Oda would never write a rescue arc with the Revolutionaries like that because he wouldn't have the Revolutionaries suffer any major defeats in battle aside from probably retreating. And I was connecting that to my opinion on how and why Oda off-panels certain fights/events for particular reasons, and how we haven't seen enough from the Revolutionaries to allow them to have a major defeat in battle yet.
Basically, he is not going to have a character suffer a major defeat that puts them in great peril unless this character's strength, as well as that of their competitor, has been heavily showcased before then.
! This is why Ace versus Blackbeard was mostly on-panel. If it was completely off-panel, then you would have fans complaining by saying "How could somebody defeat a Logia like Ace? What could Blackbeard ever do in a fight with a Yonko Commander, he looked like a weakling back in Jaya and couldn't even catch Luffy! Oda pulled a defeat out of his ass just suit the plot. Where did Ace and Blackbeard even meet when Ace had no idea where Teach was?". Byt by seeing how Teach met Ace, and how he has the Yami Yami no Mi, Blackbeard being revealed to have won the fight in Thriller Bark was surprising, but plausible. It was satisfying for fans.
! Then came Akainu defeating Aokiji and becoming Fleet Admiral. We already saw how powerful they were pre-timeskip at the end of Long Ring Long Land and in Marineford. We saw how Akainu's lava powers were stronger than Ace's fire and how Ace could counter one of Aokiji's ice attacks. And we knew most of all that Akainu and Aokiji don't agree on their sense of justice, as seen in Robin's flashback and how they both treat their soldiers differently. So when we learned from Jinbe at the end of Fishman Island how Akainu beat Aokiji, we already had enough info to be satisfied with why such a battle would happen and how it turned out.
! In Zou, we learned about how Marco and the Whitebeard Remnants lost against the Blackbeard Pirates. But we could swallow that because of what we saw from Whitebeard and Blackbeard's feats during the fight with Ace and throughout Marineford. Even when Blackbeard just got the Devil Fruit, he wrecked all of Marineford with one attack. And we knew ever since Fishman Island that he became a Yonko, so it was a given that he became stronger. The Gorosei even said right before the timeskip that the one contender who could go up against Teach to become the next Yonko would be Marco. We saw how strong Marco was at Marineford and we saw how his crew had to retreat once Whitebeard was down. Jozu even lost an arm to Aokiji at Marineford. So when we learned that Teach's forces beat Marco's forces, it was believable.What I was talking about was that after the events of the Reverie, or because of them, Alabasta and Vivi become endangered. Which could lead to the revolutionaries helping them not get obliterated and bringing one of the previous founding families of the world government to their cause.
Now in regards to Alabasta, that's different and really would be just that the Straw Hats wouldn't be able to intervene lol. But it's not as much that Alabasta can't be destroyed so much as that there wouldn't be much drama behind that happening if the Straw Hats didn't at least TRY to stop that in present time. It would just be a background event and would be forgotten until it become relevant after the Elbaf or Raftel.
And this is why I am saying I hope Oda is capable of writing exactly that. Introduce the big problem with Alabasta's doom and start a conflict over there without the Straw Hats having to be there. I mean, it does not have to be Alabasta's doom, but Vivi's fate could be what is at stake.
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@K.:
I understand what you are saying, but I am not sure I see the connection to what I was saying. The tragedy was Alabasta, not, from what I gather, the defeat of the revolutionaries.
I know. I just felt like elaborating on that because I was bored, I guess lol. I am very used to seeing people complain about fights getting off-paneled on other forums, so my thoughts on that stuck out in this situation when you mentioned that they didn't need a rescue arc or anything.
What I was talking about was that after the events of the Reverie, or because of them, Alabasta and Vivi become endangered. Which could lead to the revolutionaries helping them not get obliterated and bringing one of the previous founding families of the world government to their cause.
And this is why I am saying I hope Oda is capable of writing exactly that. Introduce the big problem with Alabasta's doom and start a conflict over there without the Straw Hats having to be there. I mean, it does not have to be Alabasta's doom, but Vivi's fate could be what is at stake.
I see what you mean. That can maybe work.
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@Count:
I know. I just felt like elaborating on that because I was bored, I guess lol.
Fair enough. Jajalulu.
I am very used to seeing people complain about fights getting off-paneled on other forums, so my thoughts on that stuck out in this situation when you mentioned that they didn't need a rescue arc or anything.
Ah yes, I would love for everything to be shown, but I get it. Sometimes you just cannot focus on certain aspect, or elaborate them as much, or there is no real purpose for it to be shown. I do understand that Alabasta getting attacked lacks tension because having the protagonists elsewhere, there would not be much to show. That's why I am focusing more on Cobra and Vivi.
I see what you mean. That can maybe work.
Mainly, Cobra's inquiries need to lead somewhere. I am sure he will act ignorant and phrase in a way such that he does not give away how much he really knows, but just mentioning the subject will put a target on him. Not to mention his sickness, it seems to me that Vivi is being setup to inherit the throne, if that leads to Cobra's death or impriso….wow, Cobra is sent to Level 6 Impel Down to be saved by the guy that once copied his face, BON-CHAN! Jajaja
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You know the Reverie is just a reason for an awesome hot girl´s night (pajama party).
I mean, come on, Vivi, Shirahoshi, Rebecca and Viola.
They will fawn over each individual Strawhat while stroking each other´s hair after a bath together.
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Now knowing that we have a lot of time until Wano starts, i think the Reverie will have more to it than previously speculated.
Besides the necessary political stuff iam looking forward to, i think it´s also time to further introduce the revolutionaries to create some action and showing them going against their sworn enemy.
Dragon didn´t gather all his commanders without a reason and which time would be better to strike than during the world meeting with such high attention from the world.
I don´t see them start a full blown confrontation with a resulting battle, but more a mission to get some words to all the royalty, with a possibility of them revealing the treasure of Maryjoa to the world.
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Besides the necessary political stuff iam looking forward to, i think it´s also time to further introduce the revolutionaries to create some action and showing them going against their sworn enemy.
Dragon didn´t gather all his commanders without a reason and which time would be better to strike than during the world meeting with such high attention from the world.
I don´t see them start a full blown confrontation with a resulting battle, but more a mission to get some words to all the royalty, with a possibility of them revealing the treasure of Maryjoa to the world.
Would make a great introduction to them and their goal, while also starting a final conflict, which will play out during the end of the story.If Dragon storms the Reverie, i would think it has to do about the mineral they found in the weapons they got from Mango in Dressrosa.
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It's interesting that many people (me included) think about some big name crushing the Reverie. 3 possibilities have already been named:
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Kaido (who would hear about in Shirahoshi via Caribou who in return has been captured by Drake)
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Blackbeard (who would maybe want to get the "National Treasure of Mariejoa", which I took since the moment it was revealed as something of extremely huge importance comparable to the One Piece itself)
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The Revolutionaries (who would have the most obvious motives to appear there and further their cause)
Maybe we should start a poll about that. :wassat:
Or maybe the whole thing will really be just a bureaucratic, boring meeting among kings and diplomats…
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@Big:
It's interesting that many people (me included) think about some big name crushing the Reverie. 3 possibilities have already been named:
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Kaido (who would hear about in Shirahoshi via Caribou who in return has been captured by Drake)
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Blackbeard (who would maybe want to get the "National Treasure of Mariejoa", which I took since the moment it was revealed as something of extremely huge importance comparable to the One Piece itself)
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The Revolutionaries (who would have the most obvious motives to appear there and further their cause)
Maybe we should start a poll about that. :wassat:
Or maybe the whole thing will really be just a bureaucratic, boring meeting among kings and diplomats…
I think Dragon is too smart to crash the reverie when Mariejois has probably the highest level of security for that special occasion.
Now I think Kaido is kinda stupid enough to do it, but I doubt he would attack the reverie literally before his own arc starts.
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Blackbeard does things on purpose so, to me, the right question to be asked would be "why blackbeard would want to crash the reverie? / which goal he would want to achieve doing that? / what does he would have to gain doing that?"
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Blackbeard does things on purpose so, to me, the right question to be asked would be "why blackbeard would want to crash the reverie? / which goal he would want to achieve doing that? / what does he would have to gain doing that?"
One theory someone posted was that he wants to have the "Secret treasure of Mariejois". Which the way Doffy talked about it always seemed to me like an earth-shattering thing on a level with One Piece itself.
One thing's for sure, no matter how this goes, I doubt that the nature of this thing itself is fully revealed. I mean, it was described as "It's existence will shake the world". What in the hell could this be? We're probably learn much more about the Gorosei, but whatever this thing is is a good candidate for only fully revealed when Oda shows us the True History flashback.
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Enel will crash! If not now, then when?
I know this sounds like a crack theory, but Enel's return has been long foreshadowed and we have good reason to believe has a Weapon with a capital W, and on top of that, dude thinks he's GOD. A meeting of Kings just makes sense for his comeback.
On the more certain end of things, I'm really excited to see Wapol again. He's got one of the most interesting stories of all OP characters. King to pirate to bum to inventor to king! I love it!
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Enel will crash! If not now, then when?
I would bet that Enel is really only reintroduced when the moon itself will brought back into focus and we'll learn more about it's function and role in the One Piece story. Which basically boils down to after we learn about One Piece and the true history. I don't expect him to return until the Final War, honestly.
(This article is always relevant when it comes to this: http://www.onepiecepodcast.com/2015/07/22/the-one-piece-connection/ )
Also, Blackbeard, Kaido or Dragon. For each of them a much better narrative reason exists to crash Reverie, so why would Oda "waste" something like this for a character who, for now, seems to enjoy his rulership over the moon inhabitants?
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Well, now that the reverie arc is going to start in the next chapter (chapter 903), here's my prediction about what we should and could expect from this arc.
Before I list my thoughts, we can alll agree on the fact that the reverie arc will undoubtedly provide us tremendous revelations. Now I'm gonna start with my list.
Events that will certainly take place at the reverie.
-The Luffy factor. As we know, many nations have been saved by the straw hat pirates from the clutches of tyrannical leaders, maleficent pirates and also shichibukais (I'm gonna adress this point further down). There are gonna be a multitude of world leaders which view Luffy and his crew as an ally present during this meeting. However, the meeting is also gonna have a good number of nations which view the Mugiwaras as a threat to themselves and to the world government, and they will possibly outnumber the ones which are on Luffy's side. But anyways, we are going to have a division among the leaders present at the meeting and this could spark a possible conflict between them. The scale of the conflict could be of a gigantic magnitude.
-The abolishment of the Shichibukai system. As we know from the Dressrosa arc, Fujitora wants the Shichibukai system to be dismanteled due to the fact that they are causing way more harm than good to the world. He will certainly show up to the world summit in order to forward his goal. A good number of people, such as marines officials and also world leaders which were under the rule of one of them and later were saved by the pirate Luffy, will support his idea about the abolition of the Shichibukai system. But, once again, there are going to be some folks opposing this idea, because the Shichibukai are part of the three great powers and the deletion of the Shichibukai system will mean a significant loss of power to the WG. This is going to be a very interesting and possibly a very crucial point for the future of the One Piece story.
-The presence of Shirahoshi and the Fishman leaders. There's a great segregation going on in the One Piece universe. The one between the human race and the fishman race. The discrimination and the enslavement of the fishmen by the humans, especially by the Tenryuubitos, is a huge issue in this world. King Neptune will certainly bring up this very touchy subject to the table, which could be very interesting to see how it goes. More importantly however, Shirahoshi is also gonna be present at the meeting and we know that she is poseidon, one of the 3 ancient weapons. If the WG or even the Tenryuubitos find out about it (since they have the habit of enslaving people, especially Fishmen and mermaids), they will certainly going to react and try to capture her since it means a great gain of power for them. If this happens it will be catastrophic.
-The role of the Nefertaris. The king of the alabasta kingdom, Nefertari Cobra, is going to attend the reveri and he has the intention to ask the daring question about the implication of the Nefertaris in the creation of the world government a few centuries ago. With this, we might get to have a glimpse at the void century, who knows.
-The revelation of the 3rd admiral. We are certainly going to meet the third admiral, Ryokugyu, during this upcoming arc. What's Greenbull all about? Is it a man or a woman. Does he or she also have a strong belief in the absolute justice just like Akainu? We're going to find this out soon.
Events that could possibly take place at the reverie.
-The intervention of the revolutionary army. This arc could be a great opportunity to have my main man, the one and only, the top tier, Monkey D. D. Ragon the double D. play a card. He and the revos could either show up at Marijoie or make a move outside of the reverie, since there's going to be all this security focused at the meeting and all the world leaders are going to leave their countries. There's a reason why the beastly Dragon summoned all of the commanders of the revolutionary army.
-Maybe an intervention of Kaido. This could tie into the next arc.
-Maybe an intervention of Blackbeard. He could try to steal the national treasure, idk.
Anyways, the Revrie arc is gonna be hype and has the potential to go down as one of the most important and event changing arcs yet in the story.
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Well, now that the reverie arc is going to start in the next chapter (chapter 903), here's my prediction about what we should and could expect from this arc.
Before I list my thoughts, we can alll agree on the fact that the reverie arc will undoubtedly provide us tremendous revelations. Now I'm gonna start with my list.
Events that will certainly take place at the reverie.
-The Luffy factor. As we know, many nations have been saved by the straw hat pirates from the clutches of tyrannical leaders, maleficent pirates and also shichibukais (I'm gonna adress this point further down). There are gonna be a multitude of world leaders which view Luffy and his crew as an ally present during this meeting. However, the meeting is also gonna have a good number of nations which view the Mugiwaras as a threat to themselves and to the world government, and they will possibly outnumber the ones which are on Luffy's side. But anyways, we are going to have a division among the leaders present at the meeting and this could spark a possible conflict between them. The scale of the conflict could be of a gigantic magnitude.
-The abolishment of the Shichibukai system. As we know from the Dressrosa arc, Fujitora wants the Shichibukai system to be dismanteled due to the fact that they are causing way more harm than good to the world. He will certainly show up to the world summit in order to forward his goal. A good number of people, such as marines officials and also world leaders which were under the rule of one of them and later were saved by the pirate Luffy, will support his idea about the abolition of the Shichibukai system. But, once again, there are going to be some folks opposing this idea, because the Shichibukai are part of the three great powers and the deletion of the Shichibukai system will mean a significant loss of power to the WG. This is going to be a very interesting and possibly a very crucial point for the future of the One Piece story.
-The presence of Shirahoshi and the Fishman leaders. There's a great segregation going on in the One Piece universe. The one between the human race and the fishman race. The discrimination and the enslavement of the fishmen by the humans, especially by the Tenryuubitos, is a huge issue in this world. King Neptune will certainly bring up this very touchy subject to the table, which could be very interesting to see how it goes. More importantly however, Shirahoshi is also gonna be present at the meeting and we know that she is poseidon, one of the 3 ancient weapons. If the WG or even the Tenryuubitos find out about it (since they have the habit of enslaving people, especially Fishmen and mermaids), they will certainly going to react and try to capture her since it means a great gain of power for them. If this happens it will be catastrophic.
-The role of the Nefertaris. The king of the alabasta kingdom, Nefertari Cobra, is going to attend the reveri and he has the intention to ask the daring question about the implication of the Nefertaris in the creation of the world government a few centuries ago. With this, we might get to have a glimpse at the void century, who knows.
-The revelation of the 3rd admiral. We are certainly going to meet the third admiral, Ryokugyu, during this upcoming arc. What's Greenbull all about? Is it a man or a woman. Does he or she also have a strong belief in the absolute justice just like Akainu? We're going to find this out soon.
Events that could possibly take place at the reverie.
-The intervention of the revolutionary army. This arc could be a great opportunity to have my main man, the one and only, the top tier, Monkey D. D. Ragon the double D. play a card. He and the revos could either show up at Marijoie or make a move outside of the reverie, since there's going to be all this security focused at the meeting and all the world leaders are going to leave their countries. There's a reason why the beastly Dragon summoned all of the commanders of the revolutionary army.
-Maybe an intervention of Kaido. This could tie into the next arc.
-Maybe an intervention of Blackbeard. He could try to steal the national treasure, idk.
Anyways, the Revrie arc is gonna be hype and has the potential to go down as one of the most important and event changing arcs yet in the story.
I woudn't be surprised if Kaido invades the Reverie to steal Shirahoshi.
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Well, now that the reverie arc is going to start in the next chapter (chapter 903), here's my prediction about what we should and could expect from this arc.
Before I list my thoughts, we can alll agree on the fact that the reverie arc will undoubtedly provide us tremendous revelations. Now I'm gonna start with my list.
Events that will certainly take place at the reverie.
-The Luffy factor. As we know, many nations have been saved by the straw hat pirates from the clutches of tyrannical leaders, maleficent pirates and also shichibukais (I'm gonna adress this point further down). There are gonna be a multitude of world leaders which view Luffy and his crew as an ally present during this meeting. However, the meeting is also gonna have a good number of nations which view the Mugiwaras as a threat to themselves and to the world government, and they will possibly outnumber the ones which are on Luffy's side. But anyways, we are going to have a division among the leaders present at the meeting and this could spark a possible conflict between them. The scale of the conflict could be of a gigantic magnitude.
-The abolishment of the Shichibukai system. As we know from the Dressrosa arc, Fujitora wants the Shichibukai system to be dismanteled due to the fact that they are causing way more harm than good to the world. He will certainly show up to the world summit in order to forward his goal. A good number of people, such as marines officials and also world leaders which were under the rule of one of them and later were saved by the pirate Luffy, will support his idea about the abolition of the Shichibukai system. But, once again, there are going to be some folks opposing this idea, because the Shichibukai are part of the three great powers and the deletion of the Shichibukai system will mean a significant loss of power to the WG. This is going to be a very interesting and possibly a very crucial point for the future of the One Piece story.
-The presence of Shirahoshi and the Fishman leaders. There's a great segregation going on in the One Piece universe. The one between the human race and the fishman race. The discrimination and the enslavement of the fishmen by the humans, especially by the Tenryuubitos, is a huge issue in this world. King Neptune will certainly bring up this very touchy subject to the table, which could be very interesting to see how it goes. More importantly however, Shirahoshi is also gonna be present at the meeting and we know that she is poseidon, one of the 3 ancient weapons. If the WG or even the Tenryuubitos find out about it (since they have the habit of enslaving people, especially Fishmen and mermaids), they will certainly going to react and try to capture her since it means a great gain of power for them. If this happens it will be catastrophic.
-The role of the Nefertaris. The king of the alabasta kingdom, Nefertari Cobra, is going to attend the reveri and he has the intention to ask the daring question about the implication of the Nefertaris in the creation of the world government a few centuries ago. With this, we might get to have a glimpse at the void century, who knows.
-The revelation of the 3rd admiral. We are certainly going to meet the third admiral, Ryokugyu, during this upcoming arc. What's Greenbull all about? Is it a man or a woman. Does he or she also have a strong belief in the absolute justice just like Akainu? We're going to find this out soon.
Events that could possibly take place at the reverie.
-The intervention of the revolutionary army. This arc could be a great opportunity to have my main man, the one and only, the top tier, Monkey D. D. Ragon the double D. play a card. He and the revos could either show up at Marijoie or make a move outside of the reverie, since there's going to be all this security focused at the meeting and all the world leaders are going to leave their countries. There's a reason why the beastly Dragon summoned all of the commanders of the revolutionary army.
-Maybe an intervention of Kaido. This could tie into the next arc.
-Maybe an intervention of Blackbeard. He could try to steal the national treasure, idk.
Anyways, the Revrie arc is gonna be hype and has the potential to go down as one of the most important and event changing arcs yet in the story.
Surprised you listed Green Bull's reveal as a certainty. I definitely hope for it! And I think there's a great chance.
I'm curious if people think its going to be a full arc (even if its short like Zhou) or if it'll be just a couple of chapters between two arcs. If this was Togashi (Yu Yu Hackusho and HunterxHunter) I'd be certain that we'd be getting a full arc, but since it's Oda and the only SH is the honorary Vivi, I'm at a loss!
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I woudn't be surprised if Kaido invades the Reverie to steal Shirahoshi.
That woud be a daring route Oda would be taking if he chose to do this.
Surprised you listed Green Bull's reveal as a certainty. I definitely hope for it! And I think there's a great chance.
I'm curious if people think its going to be a full arc (even if its short like Zhou) or if it'll be just a couple of chapters between two arcs. If this was Togashi (Yu Yu Hackusho and HunterxHunter) I'd be certain that we'd be getting a full arc, but since it's Oda and the only SH is the honorary Vivi, I'm at a loss!
I personally see this upcoming arc as an excellent oportunity to introduce Ryokugyu, I don' see when he or she could show up then. Fujitora was introduced during the dressrosa arc and it has been a while since. Therefore Ryokugyu should be around the corner.
As for the structure and length of the arc, Idk. I would want it to last at least 10 chapters and if I'm not mistaken, Oda never mixed an arc with another one in the story (but we never know).
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Hehehehehehe…The people who said it that Luffy would be there....
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Oda never mixed an arc with another one in the story (but we never know).
Could you rephrase this? I'm a little confused as to what you mean. I don't see Oda mixing arcs as much as showing a few scenes from the Reverie, before moving on to Wano. He always shows important stuff going on around the world between story arcs. I'm hoping for a full (but short) arc though.
Also you're probably right about Green Bull, seriously, I'd even bet on it, it was just the certainty part what threw me.
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I really hope vivi will be the point of view character in the reverie arc. I missed her so much. and I hope we get at least 12 to 15 chapters of revelations. I know I'm pretty much in the minority but I have zero hype for wano. I wanted whole cake to last forever because I just love the Charlottes. and I have been intrigued by the reverie for years.
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The only one I'm truly looking forward to is Wapol. Maybe he will slap Vivi again. Super nostalgic!
I'm also lukewarm when it comes to Wano, but Moriah showing up will be something.
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When was it stated that Reverie is starting now?
Granted I do think it'll be starting soon given the comments from Jump Festa 2016, I don't think Reverie arc is the only thing that's going to transpire between now and Wano arc.
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I really hope vivi will be the point of view character in the reverie arc. I missed her so much. and I hope we get at least 12 to 15 chapters of revelations. I know I'm pretty much in the minority but I have zero hype for wano. I wanted whole cake to last forever because I just love the Charlottes. and I have been intrigued by the reverie for years.
Agreed on Vivi. Somewhat agree on Wano. For me, I've been excited for Reverie for like, ever - BUT but but but, despite the fact that I'm not particularly excited for One Piece version of feudal Japan, I just have faith that, with this much focus being put on Wano, that Oda will knock it out of the park in at least some ways. Then AGAIN Fishman Island…so....
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The only one I'm truly looking forward to is Wapol. Maybe he will slap Vivi again. Super nostalgic!
I'm also lukewarm when it comes to Wano, but Moriah showing up will be something.
HELL yes to Wapol. Super underrated character. One of the best comedy-relief villains in a series full of great comedy-relief villains.
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when was it stated that reverie is starting now?
Granted i do think it'll be starting soon given the comments from jump festa 2016, i don't think reverie arc is the only thing that's going to transpire between now and wano arc.
we just sense it, darn eet.
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Could you rephrase this? I'm a little confused as to what you mean. I don't see Oda mixing arcs as much as showing a few scenes from the Reverie, before moving on to Wano. He always shows important stuff going on around the world between story arcs. I'm hoping for a full (but short) arc though.
Also you're probably right about Green Bull, seriously, I'd even bet on it, it was just the certainty part what threw me.
What I meant was that Oda never jumped back and forth between 2 separate arcs. For example I don't see him going in 3 chapters into the Reverie, then cutting to Wano, and after 12 chapters cutting back to the Reverie. I just don't see this happening. And for Greenbull, it's because I'm 100% confident that he/she's gonna show up at Marijoie, that's why I listed him/her under "events that'll happen for sure".
And I've seen some folks here talking about a possible clash between Vivi and Wapol. Imagine if Wapol were to slap her again and she were to pull a mad juke on him, that would be a badass moment.
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I was more inclined to bet on Greg's theory of Blackbeard invading Reverie. But if it is going to be short arc like Zhou,then i don't see much of a chance.
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Here's a question. Most people around here are hyped for Reverie and have been so for years. An entire arc revolving around worldbuilding is a wet dream for some. But what are some ways that it would disappoint you? For me, if Oda finds a way to force Luffy in there I would just sigh. Or if all the gathered characters (Kureha, Rebecca, etc) barely interact with each other or do anything worthwhile.
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I don't really have any real expectations despite being excited for the arc. I guess I'd be a little disappointed if the Revolutionaries, namely Dragon don't show up at all.
I suppose I would also be disappointed if Vivi did nothing of note.
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I think the Revolutionaries going there would be very over the top. What are they supposed to do? Start a conversation? A war against the Marines? Make threats? Steal the "secret" of the World Government?
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I want Thalassa Lucas to return.
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I think the Revolutionaries going there would be very over the top. What are they supposed to do? Start a conversation? A war against the Marines? Make threats? Steal the "secret" of the World Government?
I could maybe see them showing up if the Marines managed to capture a member of the Revolutionaries, but from the sound of things they all escaped from Baltigo before the Marines ever arrived.
Also… How long does everyone suspect Reverie will be? I know we know nothing at this point but I'm going to guess in the range of 15-25 chapters.
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I can't see the Reverie being longer than a single volume. Which means nine-ten chapters. Oda's apparent willingness to have a Luffy-less arc for once in this entire manga is so unorthodox that I expect this arc's length to be relatively short. He's got an addiction to focusing on Luffy, he's not going to suddenly go cold turkey for more than three months at best. He's probably also scared that new readers will get confused and turned off by a long arc focusing on everyone but the main characters. The reason he doesn't usually have this issue with other arcs is that despite how much we praise One Piece for its long-term plotlines, the island plots themselves tend to mainly be standalone adventures that don't require too much prerequisite information.
I don't really see why it needs to be longer than that anyways when it's mainly going to focus on political talk, worldbuilding hype, small alliances being established for the series' endgame, a surprise appearance or two, some action without any big conclusive fights, and probably a cliffhanger. Nobody is going to be a big savior in this arc like Luffy usually is, so there's no need to focus on how a huge conflict sparks a large adventure that must be solved.
I don't see what anything happening in the Reverie that will demand a focus lasting longer than Amazon Lily, which was eleven chapters. I expect the storytelling here to be a mix between in-between arc events like the Warlord meeting right before Skypiea and the self-contained free-range non-shonen aciton storytelling of the usual arc flashback extended to less than a dozen chapters.
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What I meant was that Oda never jumped back and forth between 2 separate arcs. For example I don't see him going in 3 chapters into the Reverie, then cutting to Wano, and after 12 chapters cutting back to the Reverie. I just don't see this happening. And for Greenbull, it's because I'm 100% confident that he/she's gonna show up at Marijoie, that's why I listed him/her under "events that'll happen for sure".
I was confused, because I never suggested that it wold jump back and forth between arcs.
I hope Greenbull shows up, but it's not a certainty. Everything else you listed pretty much was.
EDIT: sorry, MythicalDragon, I think that reads aggressively. I just woke up and I barely got any sleep. I should have said that I didn't mean to suggest cutting forth between arcs, and that I don't think Greenbull is a certainty.
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Kinda-sorta off-topic (not really, I guess), but, The Reverie arc should be the next arc right? Starting chapter 903?
You don't think Oda will jump right into the Wano arc, an arc, I'm assuming, is probably gonna be fucking 90 to 100 chapters in length right after the rather large and long Whole Cake Island arc. Reverie arc will probably be about 10 to 20 chapters, a cooldown arc, I'm guessing.
Also. You think it's possible Green Bull to pop up during The Reverie arc or nah?
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Kinda-sorta off-topic (not really, I guess), but, The Reverie arc should be the next arc right? Starting chapter 903?
You don't think Oda will jump right into the Wano arc, an arc, I'm assuming, is probably gonna be fucking 90 to 100 chapters in length right after the rather large and long Whole Cake Island arc. Reverie arc will probably be about 10 to 20 chapters, a cooldown arc, I'm guessing.
The promo for the next SJ confirmed Reverie arc starting next chapter.
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The promo for the next SJ confirmed Reverie arc starting next chapter.
Thanks for the info. Looking forward to it. I'm sure it's pretty much gonna be an info dump arc, with people also getting news of what happened during Whole Cake Island too, and possibly an introduction of a few big players in the One Piece world (i.e. Green Bull introduction).
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Early in the Whole Cake arc Judge discussed the Reverie with his family. He pointed out that allying with Big Mom may not allow them to attend the meeting. It sounded to me that he was preparing for both possibilities either way. While apparently the Reverie Arc does start in the next chapter I do think we will get a time lapse and Germa will show up.
- Germa had a huge presence in the North Blue.
- Judge used to work with Vegapunk and so did Caesar. A scientists reunion maybe?
- We might get a better idea of how Judge was able to request Sanji "alive only".
Also as I said in 13 other threads I hope Jimbei and the other Sun Pirates are in no shape to just swim to Wano and need to take refuge with Germa. I'd like to think that if Jimbei did make his way to Mariejois his connections to the world outside of the place could make for some interesting story.
- Him contemplating Tiger's attack and escape from the Celestial Dragons. Finally getting that flash back.
- Jimbei able to get immediate knowledge of Fishman Islands integration process.
- Jimbei could actually run into Vivi and we get some interesting Straw Hat dialogue that gets relayed to the rest of the crew.
I know Jimbei doesn't need to really be around for the Fishman Island thing but I'd like him to be. Of course a lot of this could mean an arc much longer than the 10ish I think most of us expect.
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This is a big if, but if the WG assassinates King Cobra after they feel King Cobra is asking to many uncomfortable questions concerning the poneglyphs, do you think Vivi might align Alabastra with the Revolutionaries especially if Dragon and co. crash the Reverie or do you think it's too risky of a move?
On another note if the revolutionaries do crash the Reverie, I'm looking forward to some Sabo and Stelly interaction.
Edit: I should replace the WG with the World nobles.
Edit2: Right now I'm leaning no because Vivi has always stood for what is best for her people, and moving Alabastra's allegiance to the Revolutionaries might put her people at risk.
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This is a big if, but if the WG assassinates King Cobra after they feel King Cobra is asking to many uncomfortable questions concerning the poneglyphs, do you think Vivi might align Alabastra with the Revolutionaries especially if Dragon and co. crash the Reverie or do you think it's too risky of a move?
On another note if the revolutionaries do crash the Reverie, I'm looking forward to some Sabo and Stelly interaction.
If at all, the entire family will be assassinated (I mean targetted for assassination, Vivi will obviously not perish), especially if Wapol spills the beans and reveals that Vivi traveled with the Strawhats (actually I don't remember, did Wapol meet Vivi on Drum island?)
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If at all, the entire family will be assassinated (I mean targetted for assassination, Vivi will obviously not perish), especially if Wapol spills the beans and reveals that Vivi traveled with the Strawhats (actually I don't remember, did Wapol meet Vivi on Drum island?)
I'm pretty sure Wapol never saw Vivi traveling with the SH's. However I could definitely see the WG label the entire family as traitors since they know that Vivi aligned herself with pirates during the Crocodile fiasco.
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Cobra is definitely dying soon no matter what; he's had a death flag on him since after the timeskip. Whether the government puts him out of his misery or he just kicks the bucket while his family's veering toward big trouble is something I can't really guess though.
And I don't think Germa will be at Reverie now that they're in Totto Land for the long and hard haul. If Oda wants to maintain any sort of tension from that scene in 902 then there should be quite a big gap before any of the stragglers reappear; maybe like a foreboding statement from Morgans or someone about what happened to them at best.
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Wrote a little thing about all we know so far about this arc if anyone's interested: https://thelibraryofohara.com/2018/04/24/chapter-secrets-special-everything-you-need-to-know-before-the-reverie-arc/
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Cobra is definitely dying soon no matter what; he's had a death flag on him since after the timeskip. Whether the government puts him out of his misery or he just kicks the bucket while his family's veering toward big trouble is something I can't really guess though.
And I don't think Germa will be at Reverie now that they're in Totto Land for the long and hard haul. If Oda wants to maintain any sort of tension from that scene in 902 then there should be quite a big gap before any of the stragglers reappear; maybe like a foreboding statement from Morgans or someone about what happened to them at best.
I agree with what you said, seeing Germa suddenly at the Reverie would feel quite jarring, but it makes me question if there's even any genuine tension in 902, I don't think we expect anyone to really die there. That aside, I do agree we had enough Judge this past arc, so I'd rather him be only mentioned or something among those lines.
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Actually Wapol saw and recognised Vivi for a second when he attacked Going Merry. Whether Oda decides to use this scene or not in order to put her into danger it's another story though.
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Wrote a little thing about all we know so far about this arc if anyone's interested: https://thelibraryofohara.com/2018/04/24/chapter-secrets-special-everything-you-need-to-know-before-the-reverie-arc/
Say Artur, are you familiar with the Japanese titles of Kampaku/Sessho and Kuge in relation to the Gorosei and World Nobles?
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Wrote a little thing about all we know so far about this arc if anyone's interested: https://thelibraryofohara.com/2018/04/24/chapter-secrets-special-everything-you-need-to-know-before-the-reverie-arc/
oh, you are the library of ohara guy from reddit. I anticipate your articles after I read the latest chapter. Can't believe how quick you are with writing your stuff up. I don't have a reddit account, so here is your well deserved "thank you"
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Actually Wapol saw and recognised Vivi for a second when he attacked Going Merry. Whether Oda decides to use this scene or not in order to put her into danger it's another story though.
you mean this scene?
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oh, you are the library of ohara guy from reddit. I anticipate your articles after I read the latest chapter. Can't believe how quick you are with writing your stuff up. I don't have a reddit account, so here is your well deserved "thank you"
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you mean this scene?
I'm not sure Wapol recognized anything here. I don't know, maybe it was different in the Manga.Thank you!
You are correct about the Wapol scene, it's the same in the manga. Vivi does recognize him, but I don't think Wapol even sees her, as he gets blown away by Luffy very quickly. Furthermore, even Dalton took some time to recognize her all grown up, so I doubt Wapol would've so quickly.
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@S.C.:
Say Artur, are you familiar with the Japanese titles of Kampaku/Sessho and Kuge in relation to the Gorosei and World Nobles?
I am not actually, sadly I haven't had that much of a chance to study Japanese history in extent before. Would you care to illuminate me?
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We won't actually see the big meaty stuff on the reverie getting decided, but enhacted like 4 years down the line.
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We won't actually see the big meaty stuff on the reverie getting decided, but enhacted like 4 years down the line.
Well things have to be brought up and id say one of those things has to be decided for or something. We cant have everyone talking but nothing happen at all or itd be broing and oda doesnt do boring exposition for a volume. Well assuming we get some juicy details and other things.