'course its not funny. Arresting Kony would be good, it wouldn't dissolve any major problem, but maybe the people would start to look more at Africa, thinking how to help people, who live there. But now it has been all screwed up. Many will start to think other organizations, that try to help out Africa are also unreliable, any future actions for the cause may meet some impediments because of this.
Kony 2012
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People tried "helping" Africa some centuries ago. It was called imperialism. Look how that turned out.
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… I don't think the world needed Kony to look at Africa... Have you totally missed what happened over the last year in Africa?
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People tried "helping" Africa some centuries ago. It was called imperialism. Look how that turned out.
Which isn't really an argument. The very fact that you placed helping in quotations indicates that you are well aware that Europeans didn't make a genuine attempt to help Africa. What Africa needs today are real ideas leading to real solutions to real problems and not some country's veiled attempt to rape the land and its people.
… I don't think the world needed Kony to look at Africa... Have you totally missed what happened over the last year in Africa?
The last year? Has anyone been watching the last decade or the ones before that?
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@Monkey:
Kony is not and never has been a dictator. Does the video claim this lol? They apparently do think he's still in Uganda when he hasn't been for some years now.
Kony has a twisted Christian ideology. So…not unlike the Taliban or Al Queda really.
Though his forces are less about getting shit done, as murdering people by this point if they ever were.I would question the authenticity of your statements if I so much as remembered why I had the delusion that I cared 2 weeks ago.
Well, I guess I care about social justice, but the only things I would go so far to actually do is sign petitions and vote for a less Classist legislation. I believe that if people really cared, they'd chip in a good chunk of their yearly earnings to fund an army to rescue kids from Kony's control. Heck, people hardly care about the Middle East conflict other than as a sensational spectacle to occupy their otherwise boring imaginations.
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'course its not funny. Arresting Kony would be good, it wouldn't dissolve any major problem, but maybe the people would start to look more at Africa, thinking how to help people, who live there. But now it has been all screwed up. Many will start to think other organizations, that try to help out Africa are also unreliable, any future actions for the cause may meet some impediments because of this.
Aid and political focus on Africa was happening before it became a weak twitter trend video, and it will continue after it stops becoming a weak twitter trend video.
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@Angelus:
The last year? Has anyone been watching the last decade or the ones before that?
I dunno bro maybe the three major revolutions in North Africa were like big news or something.
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The thing is that people in those days actually thought they were helping Africa. Just like people genuinely thought segregation was really good, or before that when they said slaves were actually happier being slaves.
When you think about it, the perception right now isn't too different. The countries that invest in poorer countries tend to do so out of interest in oils and other exports more than they do so out of humanitarianism. The very idea of this movement is that people don't care about the deals of other countries unless you use super-loaded propaganda that will make people feel like being heros from home. Then they throw their disposable income at their computer screen and feel good and move on to their daily lives.How genuine are most of these people's attempts to help Africa?
Also, it's not about "dude, look at how messed up Africa is" … it's about looking at how messed up people are and have been, and doing something about that. It's the problem with a lot of these organizations, they think Africa is something that needs to be fixed, and it's like stitching up an infected wound and hoping the stench will go away.
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People tried "helping" Africa some centuries ago. It was called imperialism. Look how that turned out.
Bad post Saki. Bad.
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The thing is that people in those days actually thought they were helping Africa.
SOME of them lol. Mostly this was just a huge excuse by people who knew exactly what they were doing.
Just like people genuinely thought segregation was really good, or before that when they said slaves were actually happier being slaves.
When you think about it, the perception right now isn't too different.UH
The countries that invest in poorer countries tend to do so out of interest in oils and other exports more than they do so out of humanitarianism.
Soft Power is about a lot more than stuff that simple. Goodwill is a form of power in of itself believe it or not, I mean that should be self-evident. It matters to be seen as good and helpful, and it matters to help countries be happy and healthy, as chaos and misery breeds conflict (see: Somalia, Yemen).
The very idea of this movement is that people don't care about the deals of other countries unless you use super-loaded propaganda that will make people feel like being heros from home. Then they throw their disposable income at their computer screen and feel good and move on to their daily lives.
How genuine are most of these people's attempts to help Africa?
Does it matter? Money is money?
Overanaylsis of ARE DEY REALLY NICE is pointless crap.
Money = Good.
The real problem is where is that money going and how do we make sure it does what it's supposed to.If you try to sift through all of humanities actions looking for only purity you will die as lonely and confused as Sea is currently. Keep your eye on the prize.
Also, it's not about "dude, look at how messed up Africa is" … it's about looking at how messed up people are and have been, and doing something about that. It's the problem with a lot of these organizations, they think Africa is something that needs to be fixed, and it's like stitching up an infected wound and hoping the stench will go away.
Africa by and large is a huge mess. This isn't debatable unless you want to single out certain countries like Botswana or Seychelles.
And it's a huger mess than most other parts of the world. There can be things done and moved on. How naive and spectacularly this Kony thing failed is really irrelevant. -
People tried "helping" Africa some centuries ago. It was called imperialism. Look how that turned out.
Yeah, as a result Africa is so poor and messed up, that it really needs help. And by help, I mean what this word stays for, not enforcing western order and system of values in there, but education, medicine, help with organizing drinking water and food for people, and for most erasing what was left after imperialism - great lobbys that suck out Africas natural resources and are actually more interested in keeping Africa at mess stage it is in now, as it enables them to robe Africa easily.
And yeah, I totally missed what happened over last year in Africa. I'm certainly no expert i current affairs, I only have general idea what the situation in Africa is and how societies works. It's pure coincidence I know about Kony at all.
As I've see the video, I knew it was propaganda, hence lacking some facts. But, well, when I hear people, who claimed, that they want to help, I take it for good coin, I'm just gullible like that. Besides, there was nothing morally wrong with their claim. I just wasn't sure if the method, in which they were going to resolve Kony's case will be effective. I was bit afraid it might may more harm than good. But I felt like informing other people about this matter wouldn't hurt. So I did. Thats all.
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And yeah, I totally missed what happened over last year in Africa. I'm certainly no expert i current affairs, I only have general idea what the situation in Africa is and how societies works.
To be fair to you, the revolutions were in the Arab World, North Africa culturally and politically is basically the Middle East and not Africa Africa or Sub-Saharan Africa. Kind of like Turkey is to Europe.
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@Monkey:
Does it matter? Money is money?
Overanaylsis of ARE DEY REALLY NICE is pointless crap.
Money = Good.
The real problem is where is that money going and how do we make sure it does what it's supposed to.If you try to sift through all of humanities actions looking for only purity you will die as lonely and confused as Sea is currently. Keep your eye on the prize.
I do not deny the practical good that can result from humanitarian actions regardless of what the motivating factor behind them is. However, I find it is always good to question since that good could easily just turn into an evil very quickly.
The goals of most organization are sadly very short-term, and the problem is that it leads to entire communities developing a dependency on this aid. It's like raising a kid with fantastic food and toys, but doing so in a way that said kid will never become self-sufficient and will depend on you his entire life. And then you blame the kid for sucking up your resources.
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I do not deny the practical good that can result from humanitarian actions regardless of what the motivating factor behind them is. However, I find it is always good to question since that good could easily just turn into an evil very quickly.
How is Kony 2012 going to turn into evil lol.
The goals of most organization are sadly very short-term, and the problem is that it leads to entire communities developing a dependency on this aid. It's like raising a kid with fantastic food and toys, but doing so in a way that said kid will never become self-sufficient and will depend on you his entire life. And then you blame the kid for sucking up your resources.
Example of this?
Money doesn't always equal good. Like all tools and objects, it needs to be used wisely.
Which was my point.
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Yes I relize that what I said doesn't really apply since it was obvious nobody cared about helping Africa but I'm not sure we wouldn't do any other harm trying to help them now either. Call me pessimistic I suppose.
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The thing is that people in those days actually thought they were helping Africa. Just like people genuinely thought segregation was really good, or before that when they said slaves were actually happier being slaves.
It was more like: they were doing something bad to other people (enslaving them in this particular case). They felt the need to justify their actions so they made up ideology, claiming that this is natural order of things. Natural order = good. They wanted to believe and also made other people believe this (especially the slaves). People really started to think this is natural order. Some of them really thought that they are helping people by making them slaves, enforcing religion and customs of them. It helped them doing all the bad things they were doing. A lot of people really can't stand doing what they think is evil or at least socially unacceptable. thats the way how they were brought up. It's easier to do things they judged as right. Even great minds like Aristotle fell for that trap (he is justifying slavery in one of his works - "Polithics", book I - probably only time I've felt like Aristotle is writing total crap (not that I read him that much))
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It was more like: they were doing something bad to other people (enslaving them in this particular case). They felt the need to justify their actions so they made up ideology, claiming that this is natural order of things.
Atlantic Slave Trade =/= Scramble for Africa
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@Monkey:
Atlantic Slave Trade =/= Scramble for Africa
yeah, I know, but by making people inti slaves I meant also forcing them to work on their native ground, that was done too, you know. Taking away political freedom is also form of enslavement. Not to mentioned that Atlantic slave trade was one of the factors that creates current situation in Africa. You know, when one tribes were kidnapping the members of other tribes to sell them to Whites, who were also interested in Africa as source of slaves.
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Yes I relize that what I said doesn't really apply since it was obvious nobody cared about helping Africa but I'm not sure we wouldn't do any other harm trying to help them now either. Call me pessimistic I suppose.
You may have a point. Foreign intervention has done little to help Somalia but sometimes we have to build success from our failures. For example, in Somalia and Africa foreign intervention has really messed those places up. But if we look at Indonesia then it's a different story.
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Why can't I create threads?
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@Sabodew~:
Why can't I create threads?
If you have problems with this, send a PM to the people with reddish brown names/stars.
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@Sabodew~:
Why can't I create threads?
Because of Kony, obviously. Why else would this be in this thread?
Seriously though, new members can't make threads. That's just how it is.
Just stay here for a while and be a "good" member (as in being active without spamming, for example) and you'll be able to create threads sooner or later.
Also, questions like this should obviously not be asked in a random, totally unrelated thread you just happend to run into. We have a help section here, things like this should be asked there. There's even a "One Liner Questions" thread for questions that don't need their own thread.
Also, if you just clicked on the FAQ and hit CTRL + F "thread", you'd find this in a matter of two seconds max:For some reason I cannot create threads or vote on polls. Is there something wrong with my account?
- Due to a large volume of dupe accounts to sway polls, voting has been restricted from new members and guests. This applies to creating threads as well. These privileges are given to members on a case by case basis, revolving largely around activity and account age.
Also, don't listen to people trying to make you ask brown stared people. They don't know anything.
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Alrighty then
not sure if my pic is up but…
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I'm pretty sure someone already killed the thread with that image a few weeks ago braw.
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@Monkey:
I'm pretty sure someone already killed the thread with that image a few weeks ago braw.
That's the same person who posted the picture before.
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Its so cute when its the signature aswell
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what is even going onnn
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Why do we have to spread this again?
! Oh yeah, cuz this is gonna save millions of kids. DUH! :getlost:
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Look what my boredom gave birth
[http://chocolove27.deviantart.com/#/d4ua4m1
u](http://chocolove27.deviantart.com/#/d4ua4m1)hhhh i kinda dont know how to put the image itself so ill just put the link up
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Close this threadddd
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@Mark:
Look what my boredom gave birth
[http://chocolove27.deviantart.com/#/d4ua4m1
u](http://chocolove27.deviantart.com/#/d4ua4m1)hhhh i kinda dont know how to put the image itself so ill just put the link up
In the reply box, up above where the little yellow smiley is, the capital A with the drop down, and the planet… to the right of the planet there's one directly to the left of the icon that looks like a film strip that looks like a picture of a tree. Click on that next time you want to post a pic.
And if this thread doesn't get back on track I may just close it.
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And if this thread doesn't get back on track I may just close it.
OK BACK ON TRACK
what's this? Oil? in UGANDA??? aMaZinG?!
It would be nice for people to educate themselves, its not that hard to go to a book store and pick up some history books about africa, take about a month and read through what has gone on, THEN make desicions. People would be easily able to tell bullshit from. . . not bullshit…
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OK BACK ON TRACK
what's this? Oil? in UGANDA??? aMaZinG?!
It would be nice for people to educate themselves, its not that hard to go to a book store and pick up some history books about africa, take about a month and read through what has gone on, THEN make desicions. People would be easily able to tell bullshit from. . . not bullshit…
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Luphrecio when have you NOT been full of bullshit?
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@Monkey:
I'm pretty sure someone already killed the thread with that image a few weeks ago braw.
Was it that bad? honestly?
i've had mixed reviews on it, one of the funner ones being "the mustache looks like a strip of burnt bacon"
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@Sabodew~:
Was it that bad? honestly?
i've had mixed reviews on it, one of the funner ones being "the mustache looks like a strip of burnt bacon"
back in the day i would have destroyed you, but now just get off my lawwwwn
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It would be nice for people to educate themselves, its not that hard to go to a book store and pick up some history books about africa, take about a month and read through what has gone on, THEN make desicions. People would be easily able to tell bullshit from. . . not bullshit…
Or you could go to the public library.
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It would be nice if people never read any more Luphrecio posts.