Oh, we are just following the rabbit theme and multiplying fast ¿?
Rabbits do multiply, hmmm…. Not like it's a bad thing as I find it cool that the fandom enjoy characters out of our Main Cast, 
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Randolph was doing hit and run attacks when Nami, Chopper, and Carrot were trying to get back to the ship. She saved Nami from one attack, and then clashed with Randolph the next time he attacked. In the fight she zapped Randolph's crane preventing him from doing anymore hit and run attacks.
So she basically beat up Gan Fall's horsebird. Bravo.
Oda is very inconsistent with when a full moon pops up. There was one when the SHs were on Zou, and there's another one less than two weeks later in Totland. Also, there'll very likely be one in Wano (since using sulong against Kaido's forces was Inu's plan). So she can go sulong whenever Oda feels like there being a full moon.
Then that's hardly to her credit and would contribute to bad writing, an insult to Oda's work. At least with Chopper it's based on his Rumble Ball which is the result of his years of doctor work and research.
Holy baseless speculation Batman!
As baseless as the idea that Zoro will learn to cut fire. Let's see how many people doubt that one, shall we?
She's the guardian of the entrance to BM's main island. She made a fool out of Luffy, and she won a 3v1 fight against Chopper, Nami, and Carrot. She's plenty powerful. You're also forgetting that Randolph and Diesel were hyped as much as Amande, all three being shown to storm an island alone and beat the inhabitants to get ingredients for BM's cake.
Again, she's a NON-COMBATANT. Crack open a dictionary first next time. Using a DF in a tricky way isn't fighting. Perona fell in much the same way against Usopp because she wasn't a fighter either. Being able to topple her once you find her body and stop wasting time fighting her hollow isn't much of an impressive feat, so why would it be for Brulee? Also, if we're not certain of the relative strengths of whatever islands these disappointments are storming, that means little to nothing. Plus there's no one saying Carrot's relative strength wouldn't be enough to do the same, it's simply not in league with the monsters of the crew, nor is her style unique enough to make a compelling stand-alone fighter among the crew. If she was going to pull out more to impress us, it should have happened already. That ship has sailed and if Oda is just waiting, well, again, BAD WRITING. Carrot: Bad for One Piece. Bad for Oda.
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Still you place Pudding over Carrot? Even after she was snubbed on the vol. 88 cover and was left behind while Carrot's still with them?
uh yeh.
after knowking of Linlin's possible involvement in Wano. Yes.
and again, the furry theme is very well covered by Tony Tony and makes impossible to any inhabitant of Zou to Join the SH's
I'm also well aware that Pudding's most relevant feat is kinda redundant to Luffy's ability of already hearing things others cannot, or Robin speciality with Phoneglyps.
so unless Pudding's ability is somehow complementary tool to find One Piece, she wont be joining but still seems to have a much relevant role in the series just like Shirahoshi(Poseidon) and Momo(Zunisha's Master?).
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Memo Memo totally fits the 2-9 numbering. In some obscure languages.
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You say that like she wasn't deliberately set up to appear again for a part 2 whereas Carrot was never the focus of anything.
uh yeh.
after knowking of Linlin's possible involvement in Wano. Yes.First of all, you guys are saying that this doesn't say anything about where those two stand:
(No focus, ha ha, yeah right…)
Second, relevance in the upcoming plot does not have any correlation with crew comparability. I'm not saying she won't come back into the story, I'm saying she has a lot less business joining the crew than Carrot does.
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Hey, I don't believe that we'll see Pudding in Wano, but I can concede the possibility. And Pudding definitely has ties with characters and could be brought to the main plot again. The question is when and how, and that question is not answered yet.
On the other hand, with Carrot already in Wano, it seems like the hot take of the Century to talk about Pudding having a better chance to stand out in that arc more when it's not even a certainty that she'll get there.
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kinda funny how Jinbe is blacked out, while he DID joined Luffy in WCI.
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kinda funny how Jinbe is blacked out, while he DID joined Luffy in WCI.
He's blacked out because the image is edited to compare Carrot and Pudding, as are the rest of SHs and allies. Come on xD (not that I agree with the cover argument by the way).
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Oda is very inconsistent with when a full moon pops up. There was one when the SHs were on Zou, and there's another one less than two weeks later in Totland. Also, there'll very likely be one in Wano (since using sulong against Kaido's forces was Inu's plan). So she can go sulong whenever Oda feels like there being a full moon.
Is he inconsistent or maybe too many people just assume that the moon phases in the One Piece universe are the same as our own? It's most likely the latter.
However, let's say that the moon cycles are the same as ours. There is an event that would explain two full moons happening in the same month. I'm talking about a Blue Moon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_moon
It's strange how I haven't seen anyone else mention this yet. -
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He's blacked out because the image is edited to compare Carrot and Pudding, as are the rest of SHs and allies. Come on xD (not that I agree with the cover argument by the way).
in an argument about who's got more chances of joining, blacking out the one who actually joined, whom apparently didnt have a much 'standing point' in a cover. that's like dividing by zero.
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I made that picture strictly for showing the differences between those two. Jinbe doesn't have to prove anything anymore.
covers hardly point out actual stuff related to the series.
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in an argument about who's got more chances of joining, blacking out the one who actually joined, whom apparently didnt have a much 'standing point' in a cover. that's like dividing by zero.
The Sulong is relevant, yes, but with the Minks and the upcoming war, not as a joining crew material, not with Choper and his 27363 transformation points around.All of the characters are blacked out except Carrot and Pudding because the purpose of the pic is to compare how are Carrot and Pudding specifically placed in it. If Jinbe is blacked out so are Chopper, Nami, Brook and Luffy. And so are Bege and Chiffon.
Come on, I disagree with the cover argument as I do with anything that tries to infer narrative evidence of foreshadowing from covers and colorspreads, but what you are getting at here is a non-issue.
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in an argument about who's got more chances of joining, blacking out the one who actually joined, whom apparently didnt have a much 'standing point' in a cover. that's like dividing by zero.
The Sulong is relevant, yes, but with the Minks and the upcoming war, not as a joining crew material, not with Choper and his 27363 transformation points around.covers hardly point out actual stuff related to the series.
Ace was always better positioned than Bb, tho one is dead and the other kicking butts.We're talking about Pudding and Carrot, are we not? The cover on its own speaks for itself as to who is important and who isn't, so I highlighted the two characters relevant to our current debate. Is Jinbe a part of it? We both agree Jinbe has essentially joined already, so stop dancing around the issue and tell me, why is Pudding in yellow and in the background if she's so much more likely to join than Carrot, among the rest of the crew in color?
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We're talking about Pudding and Carrot, are we not? The cover on its own speaks for itself as to who is important and who isn't, so I highlighted the two characters relevant to our current debate. Is Jinbe a part of it? We both agree Jinbe has essentially joined already, so stop dancing around the issue and tell me, why is Pudding in yellow and in the background if she's so much more likely to join than Carrot, among the rest of the crew in color?
Because unlike everyone else except Chopper, she has a transformation. But we already saw a cover with most of his on it, I think.
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You say that like she wasn't deliberately set up to appear again for a part 2 whereas Carrot was never the focus of anything.
I say that because its true.
Take Jinbe for example. He's been left behind twice now (In FI and now WCI), and both times he's been left behind, it's been made clear how the crew views him, that the audience can expect him to join the crew when all is said and done. He's been left behind twice, but both times it's obvious what to expect from him moving forward.
Pudding on the other hand gets no such fanfare. Her and Sanji know this can only end one way, neither character at any point muses what it'd be like if Pudding came along, no seeds were planted here, it's pretty clear cut. At the end of the day, she's the "arc princess", and they've moved on. Neither did the arc end with her having a dead mentor. :ninja:
No one's saying she isn't important or won't ever appear again, but you're conflating it with her still having a better chance at joining despite WCI having shut the door on that possibility. The logic of her still having a better shot than someone who's literally with the crew as we speak in an entirely different location doesn't make any sense. And again, reappearance or not, there's no getting around the Robin issue. If the main argument is that we're not supposed to take Carrot seriously due to her similarities, then Pudding has always had less ground to stand on. It's just that the way the Straw Hats left her behind was simply the final nail in the coffin.
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Because unlike everyone else except Chopper, she has a transformation. But we already saw a cover with most of his on it, I think.
Look, I'm not saying that this proves Carrot will join. My only point is, Oda chose to highlight her and all the Straw Hats in color, while Pudding was in yellow and her face obscured, and to me, that says something about the level of mportance between the two. If you still consider Carrot to have a 0% chance, then Pudding would have less than 0. Disagree or not?
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Look, I'm not saying that this proves Carrot will join. My only point is, Oda chose to highlight her and all the Straw Hats in color, while Pudding was in yellow and her face obscured, and to me, that says something. If you still consider Carrot to have a 0% chance, then Pudding would have less than 0. Disagree or not?
I do disagree here.
three eyed character, bipolar personality, yonko's daughter and secret ability user, its really much more interesting than Carrot atm.Carrots personality is just boring, reminds me lot of Connis's character.
she's apparently(from I can percieve). being set up to become the leading figure of the Minks.
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Pudding only has a connection with sanji she only wanted to make the cake to help his friends, they were important to her only because sanji cared about them. She's like Sanji's hancock in that she'd care about one person clearly more than the rest only she effects the dynamics of him being a lecher and we know oda is gonna keep that for comedy moving forward. Oh also if she CAN awaken her third eye then that infringes on Robin's role in reading the poneglyph and solving mysteries. Then there's her weak defense and potentially broken (or would need to be nerfed or ignored a lot) fruit.
Pudding could have future narrative relevance before the EOS, most likely Elbaf, but she isn't likely because she'd only care for sanji and she complicates his main humor.
It'd be like if nami got a sexy girlfriend/boyfriend who didnt give a shit about anyone else and made her be super generous. But had a 2nd nose under their Kakashi mask.
Carrot may have a 5% chance if you're really low on her but nothing about pudding elevates her to the rest of the strawhats level or gives her the potential too. Carrot as least has the latter and has been around for a long ass time (whether she's the 111th crewmate, 8th grand fleet captain, the reviver of the Nox Pirates (which btw wouldn't it make more sense to call them the dawn since Pedro's whole goal was being before the dawn and the strawhats are already here?) or a general sub commander of the minks) and seems to be being built up towards something.
There's just not a lot interesting about Pudding's character dynamics beyond her relationship to sanji or her own family IMO. That's because Oda set her up that way and didnt give her at least the base to build on a crewmate case.
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I do disagree here.
three eyed character, bipolar personality, yonko's daughter and secret ability user, its really much more interesting than Carrot atm.Carrots personality is just boring, reminds me lot of Connis's character.
she's apparently(from I can percieve). being set up to become the leading figure of the Minks.
but in Caharcter-wise, is really Pudding>Carrot.You can see the difference between your preferences and the author's, can't you?
Honestly, though, Jinbe had his doubtets even after vol. 64, where he was poised for battle right alongside the crew:
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Someone wanna say that didn't indicate anything now?
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wouldn't comprehend why in the author's 'preferences' he'd make Carrot sooooo boring.
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Since when "boring" is an objective perspective?
For some people, the entirety of One Piece is boring. Why did the author even create the series then??? :O
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wouldn't comprehend why in the author's 'preferences' he'd make Carrot sooooo boring.
Because she isn't.
Anyway, subjective disagreements aside, I don't think Oda's definition of boring has to fit yours. Not mine either, the guy put Gaimon as one of his favorite characters and I enjoy a lot more the memes than the character.
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She isn't deliberately set up to appear again for a part 2. That's just a possibility, and a kind of far-fetched one because she doesn't seem to be much of a fighter and if there is a part 2 I expect Big Mom coming to the SHs with a combat force. Another one would be to stay in her hometown till the Straw Hats end their journey and then meet with them and Sanji in special again.
On the Carrot bit? She was the focus of quite a few moments, but then again, you would respond back by saying that these moments are irrelevant because you say so and I'd answer back by saying that irrelevant my ass because I say so. This debate is sterile.
She didn't get any closure to her story. We last saw her crying in an alley. Her third eye ability was brought up but not concluded. That's not something that gets introduced and then dropped without mention. Not to mention there's a chance she'll have something to do with exploring Big Mom's memories at Elbaf. I don't really care for that one, but it has been brought up.
Carrot was what, the focus of one chapter to introduce sulong? She doesn't have an ongoing story arc.
First of all, you guys are saying that this doesn't say anything about where those two stand:
[qimg]http://i.imgur.com/GEY6VvK.jpg[/qimg]
(No focus, ha ha, yeah right…)
Second, relevance in the upcoming plot does not have any correlation with crew comparability. I'm not saying she won't come back into the story, I'm saying she has a lot less business joining the crew than Carrot does.
I can't even take this seriously. I can't even tell who seriously believes in Carrot and who's just supporting her for giggles anymore.
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problem is taking for granted that her Sulong has to indicate something about joining Luffy instead of the actual relevance it has with the Minks and their participation in Wano and the Pirate alliance saga as a whole.
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problem is taking for granted that her Sulong has to indicate something about joining Luffy instead of the actual relevance it has with the Minks and their participation in Wano and the Pirate alliance saga as a whole.
Nobody is saying she's joining because she can do sulong. The case for Carrot joining was well established before chapter 888. Her dead mentor telling her to protect the strawhats while inheriting his will alongside a flashback of her mentor asking to join the previous pirate king's ship, all the while clearly filling out a role on the ship… That is why we think she's joining.
Purely coincidence
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She didn't get any closure to her story. We last saw her crying in an alley. Her third eye ability was brought up but not concluded. That's not something that gets introduced and then dropped without mention. Not to mention there's a chance she'll have something to do with exploring Big Mom's memories at Elbaf. I don't really care for that one, but it has been brought up.
Carrot was what, the focus of one chapter to introduce sulong? She doesn't have an ongoing story arc.
So you are giving more credit to speculations on a distant future ("Big Mom's memories could play a role at Elbaf") than to Carrot having joined the rescue team, having witnessed Pedro's death, having learned about the motives of his sacrifice, having been hinted about Luffy's relevance to the Dawn, having gone all the way from Zou to Totland to Wano still with Luffy and the rest, all while we all expect the mink tribe to arrive to Wano and join the fight, having their own motivations fleshed out, which includes the freaking Dawn that Pedro told Carrot about.
Yeah I get it, you don't think Carrot is or will be a relevant character. But if you intend to make your points seem logical and coherent with this comparison you are way off. And the fact you are denying the existence of an ongoing story arc in Carrot while indulging in pure speculation for Pudding based on a couple pieces of ambiguous info is so hilariously myopic and hypocritical I can't even take it seriously.
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having learned about the motives of his sacrifice,
A little caveat here: She wasn't told about his motives, she was told that she will learn about his motives. That's an important distinction because it almost 100% guarantees that Carrot (and therefore the audience) is going to hear some interesting story revelations in the future.
Purely coincidence
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A little caveat here: She wasn't told about his motives, she was told that she will learn about his motives. That's an important distinction because it almost 100% guarantees that Carrot (and therefore the audience) is going to hear some interesting story revelations in the future.
Ah, sorry. When I say "learn about the motives" I don't mean the knowledge on the Dawn, I mean the actual purpose of his act of sacrifice, saving Luffy and the Sunny crew. It's what she fully showed to acknowledge in chapter 902 (before too, but this was the most blatant statement), more about the idea that this sacrifice was his own choice and he wanted to save the Straw Hats with that.
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Nobody is saying she's joining because she can do sulong. The case for Carrot joining was well established before chapter 888. Her dead mentor telling her to protect the strawhats while inheriting his will alongside a flashback of her mentor asking to join the previous pirate king's ship, all the while clearly filling out a role on the ship… That is why we think she's joining.
checked chapter 888 uhmm, are u bringin up stuff from the anime?
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checked chapter 888 uhmm, are u bringin up stuff from the anime?
He said before chapter 888. He's talking about chapters 877 and 878.
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checked chapter 888 uhmm, are u bringin up stuff from the anime?
Why are you confused? And why do you think I'm bringing up the anime? Chapter 888 is the sulong chapter, no? I'm saying we figured out that she was joining way before sulong was shown.
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wait wait, is Pedro dead? like really really really dead?, thats shocking.
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wait wait, is Pedro dead? like really really really dead?, thats shocking.
Were you really not aware of this?
Purely coincidence
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Were you really not aware of this?
well, dunno, I just… you know, I wouldnt bet on it
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well, dunno, I just… you know, I wouldnt bet on it
The story really made a point to hammer it home. Even Robby finally relented and admitted that Pedro was dead.
Purely coincidence
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I can't even take this seriously. I can't even tell who seriously believes in Carrot and who's just supporting her for giggles anymore.
I'm dead serious. And if you're serious as a Pudding supporter yourself, you'll tell me why you're satisfied with the way she's presented on that cover. Because in my eyes, her portrayal is very unflattering.
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However, let's say that the moon cycles are the same as ours. There is an event that would explain two full moons happening in the same month. I'm talking about a Blue Moon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_moon
It's strange how I haven't seen anyone else mention this yet."The same month" here means one full moon on the 1st, and another on the 30th. Not "less than two weeks apart", which is what happens in the story.
Purely coincidence
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The story really made a point to hammer it home. Even Robby finally relented and admitted that Pedro was dead.
dead for the on going arc, but dead as a an actual corpse, no longer existing character.
its really hard to picture for me, I just cant.
an explosion, Pound, Pekomz and Pudding around, his life-span, so much to consider.dont want to get 'Pell'fied' again, nooo aaah, haaalpp!!
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"The same month" here means one full moon on the 1st, and another on the 30th. Not "less than two weeks apart", which is what happens in the story.
aah this is a so.much easier topic.
the Minks will do Sulong in Wano, no doubt.
if there isn't a full moon yet in OP world in 2 or 3 weeks that's hardly a problem.
I could think of 2 solutions
1.-the allaince could purposely wait longer for more allies,(Marco, The SH fleet, etc), or just cause I dont see Kaido being defeated the same day Luffy arrives or
2.-remember that one time Vegeta made a fake moon so that he'll turn into rampaging gorilla?, well could happen here, Oda loves DB references, we just need a character capable of doing that, and we're getting a lot introduced here -
I do disagree here.
three eyed character, bipolar personality, yonko's daughter and secret ability user, its really much more interesting than Carrot atm.Carrots personality is just boring, reminds me lot of Connis's character.
she's apparently(from I can percieve). being set up to become the leading figure of the Minks.
but in Caharcter-wise, is really Pudding>Carrot.Interesting or not, how is she relevant to what the strawhats are doing? What Could she bring to the table for the crew? She cant fight, her memory powers are basically useless, and we already have a way better character who can read poneglyphs. Pudding took away sanji's memories and decided to cut herself out of the picture for a reason, it would mean nothing if she joined the crew. Genuinely believing she will is ridiculous.
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Hawkins says something about Luffy's chance of being alive at the end of the month being 19%. Sounded to me like foreshadowing for how much time they'll spend in Wano. There's enough time for the next full moon.
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Interesting or not, how is she relevant to what the strawhats are doing? What Could she bring to the table for the crew? She cant fight, her memory powers are basically useless, and we already have a way better character who can read poneglyphs. Pudding took away sanji's memories and decided to cut herself out of the picture for a reason, it would mean nothing if she joined the crew. Genuinely believing she will is ridiculous.
wut, she beat up Reiju.
well her ability and based on what BM have said, it does feel redundant to what Robin already does.
but we dont really know much of it, how it works or why even the three eyed people can do this.
however while Robin reads and Luffy already hears voices, no one in the crew's team can communicate with things, objects, like Pudding is supposed to do.
also, this secret ability of hers could fit in complementary for the requierements of reaching raftel rather than redundant to already members of the crew, problem is, we lack so much info .none of this proves she's joining for sure, but it does means she's got a very relevant role to play in the main plot.
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, this secret ability of hers could fit in complementary for the requierements of reaching raftel rather than redundant to already members of the crew
For that to be the case, Oda would need to add both an additional -previously unmentioned- step to reaching Raftel, and an additional -previously unmentioned- power offered to her by her awakened eye.
none of this proves she's joining for sure, but it does means she's got a very relevant role to play in the main plot.
No it doesn't. In fact, it means the opposite. Everything we know about her powers (if she ever actually unlocks them) is already covered by Robin and Luffy (and even Momo) in both function and application.
Pudding is BM's method for reaching Raftel. Just like the Kozuki clan is Kaido's method for reaching Raftel. Just like Robin is Luffy's method for reaching Raftel. And I don't doubt that Blackbeard has his own method, amateur historian that he is.
For Luffy to have two methods of reaching Raftel on his crew would instantly devalue both of them and would be pathetically poor writing on Oda's part.EDIT: had some parts in the wrong order
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additional unmentioned?
yeh, cause Raleigh never said anything about hearing the voices of all things?
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There are some good ideas for Pudding here, but I didn't observe in the writing of WCI any indication that her story is converging with Luffy's adventure. You see, there was a lot of opportunity for that, because Pudding fell in love with Sanji and also wanted to be free from Big Mom's tyranny (she's tired of being a puppet)… so 2+2=4.
However, Oda chose to NOT make Pudding manifest any desire to be on the Sunny throughout WCI. There's still room for her to change her mind, obviously, but... you may understand this as you want.
And then there is the controversy about a love relationship between two main characters in the ship (if Pudding joined). I would be fine with something like that, but Oda says that he doesn't want it in One Piece... therefore, characters like Hancock and Kaya stay behind while the crew moves forward.
At last, there are other points against Pudding, like her character lacking any motivation/dream atm, and her abilities being useless and hax at the same time (which is bad).
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additional unmentioned?
yeh, cause Raleigh never said anything about hearing the voices of all things?
But how would another person who could hear the voice of all things be complementary rather than redundant unless there was something different about her? What can she do to find Raftel that Robin and Luffy can't do? What use is she?
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neither Robin or Luffy hears the voice of things/objects.
the problem is what we don't know yet.
Raleigh said all they could do was hearing the voices of all things.
but it remains the question of how Roger wrote over a ponelghyp.
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"The same month" here means one full moon on the 1st, and another on the 30th. Not "less than two weeks apart", which is what happens in the story.
Even still that doesn't disprove my first point that moon phases in the One Piece world probably don't function the same way as ours does.
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neither Robin or Luffy hears the voice of things/objects.
Luffy can. Or he's beginning to hear it. That's what happened at the end of Fishman Island, and again in Zou.
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Even still that doesn't disprove my first point that moon phases in the One Piece world probably don't function the same way as ours does.
That's what it has to be for the events of OP to take place. The question is whether Oda intended it or not.
Purely coincidence
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Luffy can. Or he's beginning to hear it. That's what happened at the end of Fishman Island, and again in Zou.
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of animals/living beings, not of things/objects.
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of animals/living beings, not of things/objects.
There's never been a distinction between the two in the manga. The manga has always called it "hearing the voice of all things". Maybe hearing animals is easier than objects, so that will come later with more experience, but it's just one singular power. The seakings have essentially confirmed that Luffy has the same power as Roger.
You're making a massive leap in logic here.
