Robin's bounty was higher than Zoro's for a moment though
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I think if she was to join it would have to be lower than sanji's current one. Probably around a neat number 50-100 million or so. But if she doesnt join I could see it being a good amount higher
If Carrot was only ever in her base form I would agree with 100 million after WCI, but her having and using sulong boosts that way up.
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If Carrot was only ever in her base form I would agree with 100 million after WCI, but her having and using sulong boosts that way up.
Rarity of the ability for her to do it might factor in. Especially if the WG knows about the nature of it. I just dont think she'll be above any of the monster trio and seeing as how we dont know if we are gonna get bounties out she would have to be lower than 177 as of now, I dont doubt they could all go up and we see a higher number than 100 though, maybe 200 or something. Bounties are weird.
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Well, if Morgans really leaks this and Carrot gets a bounty after WCI, she will not get one based on any personal feats. She will probably get something around 50~75 millions just as a "she was part of the group".
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Rarity of the ability for her to do it might factor in. Especially if the WG knows about the nature of it. I just dont think she'll be above any of the monster trio and seeing as how we dont know if we are gonna get bounties out she would have to be lower than 177 as of now, I dont doubt they could all go up and we see a higher number than 100 though, maybe 200 or something. Bounties are weird.
I guess I'm just predicting HUGE bounty increases for everyone. Huge to the point that it will be a major topic of discussion at the reverie. I think that, from the WG's perspective, the strawhats just announced themselves as major future yonko candidates. Luffy gave the BM pirates a huge metaphorical bloody nose, Bartolomeo claimed one of Shanks' islands for the strawhats, Zoro and co are likely to have caused some incident against Kaido on their way to wano (if not, then the WG will interpret Doflamingo's defeat as the blow against Kaido), and for the grand fleet cover story to end on a high note I suspect that Orlumbus will attack something related to the Blackbeard pirates in some way.
Just someone waltzing deep into yonko territory, ruining their plans, toppling their main base, and defeating their first mate, before going their merry way is a massive feat. With everything else happening at roughly the same time, it will look like a competent, coordinated attack on all 4 emperors to someone who doesn't realize these are just a bunch of morons.
I predict Luffy's bounty will be 1.5 Billion.
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Well, if Morgans really leaks this and Carrot gets a bounty after WCI, she will not get one based on any personal feats. She will probably get something around 50~75 millions just as a "she was part of the group".
If he gets more details on the battle and hears that she single handedly dunked on Daifuku's fleet while he was present, that would raise her bounty a lot.
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@Long:
I just dont think she'll be above any of the monster trio and seeing as how we dont know if we are gonna get bounties out she would have to be lower than 177 as of now, I dont doubt they could all go up and we see a higher number than 100 though, maybe 200 or something. Bounties are weird.
Monster trio? No one is going to have a bounty higher than Usopp's besides: Luffy, Jimbe and Zoro, which I assume that was to whom you were referring to, no matter if Carrot joins or not. Then the barrier of entry to monster territory is the GOD. And he will have something to say about it. It will be a riot.
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We are inevitably going to get either a Snail zoan or fishfolk that can do weird shit with the communication networks of the world.
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We are inevitably going to get either a Snail zoan or fishfolk that can do weird shit with the communication networks of the world.
Transponder snail zoan. Now that's a pretty neat idea. I can imagine such a person being the Mont D'or of Kaido's crew.
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Or maybe it's a transponder snail that ate some weird fruit, like the sloth fruit, that affects how information pass through it.
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You know, for the first time I went back to the scene where Usopp unlocks haki and I think there is some misunderstanding going around.
People keep saying he can see incredibly far and the haki allowed him to see much farther but that's not what happened.
First of all, he couldn't see that far, he was relying on Viola - with her vision DF - to describe everything at distance exactly because he couldn't see what was going on there. And when his haki awoke he also didn't suddenly got a super vision, he just became able to distinguish the aura of the living people at that distance.With the haki he became able to know Sugar exact location because he could perceive her aura, but that doesn't equal super vision. He still couldn't see the bars protecting the window, how many they were, the space between them or how high the window was… in short, all that he required Viola to describe in detail so he could accurately hit Sugar (just knowing her position was not enough if couldn't avoid all the obstacles in the way).
I mean, yes, Usopp has a very good vision and that was focused on some times, but it is nothing like what people are making it sound whenever the whole lookout position is mentioned. People talk about that moment almost as if he could see by himself what he actually needed Viola to describe for him.
Also, going back at this scene was cool because Viola played exactly the same role I kept envisioning for Carrot whenever I tried to imagine how the lookout role would mix with Usopp's sniper.Ehm no, he needed Viola´s description at first because he was not able to see that far.
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Ehm no, he needed Viola´s description at first because he was not able to see that far.
Then he awakened CoO, and then he could see that far and that is shown by him continuing to describe where the projectile is flying through and so on.No, that was not him describing what he was seeing. I mean, he was not even looking anymore as he was giving that description.
What he is describing there is how he planned the shooting, taking into account all the details provided by Viola and the wind direction to be sure the shot would land at Sugar after all the explosions/fragmentation.He had already readied the shoot even before he unlocked haki (he even started announcing the "attack" name before it), all that planning was based on what was provided to him before he unlocked it. And, well… we literally see through Usopp eyes when he unlocks that and he clearly can only see the auras not the details of the walls and bars and whatnot - and, well, even if we didn't saw through his eyes, we know that's not how CoO works anyways, it doesn't give you super vision.
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we know that's not how CoO works anyways, it doesn't give you super vision.
True. Most of the time when somebody actively uses CoO, they close their eyes.
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The argument is not if he has super vision or not. He can still detect people aura's across a city. Take the context out of the scenario and see the feat performed and Usopp can detect the aura a very long measurable distance. A distance that you needed the epitome of lookout powers to even attempt to make the shot, one could even say "see" the shot. The whole idea is that after that incident, Usopp will not need Viola to perform a shot of that distance. However, even if his shooting range has increased that still leaves him with something to overcome, which are obstacles. That I imagine would be his next challenge, he can detect people, how does he breach the gap to know what obstacles are around them to make the shot.
But even then, if we go back to the tower of justice. Usopp was already seeing far away with his binoculars while he was shooting down marines. To the point that the marines needed binoculars just to see him. And I think that the shot made to take down Sugar was further away than the one to save Robin. In other words, Usopp is already at the point where you cannot see him and he can still shoot you down. Like Van Auger in his introduction shooting the bird.
Take what Usopp did and re-contextualize the scenario for when he is on the Sunny. And I think he can see further away than what a lookout could with his binoculars. Again, without considering obstacles, but once that is solved I have a hard time thinking that Usopp's job as a sniper does not bleed out too much into the role of the lookout.
The same way we can understand why being a Fishman gives Jimbe an edge when it comes to his role as a helmsman. I cannot find it comparable to the advantage the Minks have of being able to jump high. If being a Mink affected how powerful their eye sight was, then that would be comparable. But I have not seen Carrot having an advantage, in regards of enhanced vision, naturally or when she is using binoculars. That is also putting aside Sanji carrying Usopp to gain a similar advantage, and Sanji, in my opinion, being able to go even higher with Sky/Moon Walk than the jumping prowess of the minks.
Also, I like the idea of Usopp detecting something kilometers away and using his jumping plant to get to the crow's nest fast to gain height advantage. The same way he helped Zoro against the Dragon.
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Take what Usopp did and re-contextualize the scenario for when he is on the Sunny. And I think he can see further away than what a lookout could with his binoculars.
You would be wrong. Not everyone with Haki has the range that Enel had. Exceptionally few, in fact. His haki was was special due to his devil fruit. From what we've seen of Usopp's haki, he can sense living things up to a few kilometers away. A normal lookout on top of a 60 foot mast can see around 20 kilometers away. From the Burj Khalifa, you can see ~100 kilometers away. I'm inclined to think that Carrot's jump is closer to the Burj Khalifa than to the top of the mast (she can also jump from the top of the mast). So Carrot would be more useful in terms of seeing further.
That is also putting aside Sanji carrying Usopp to gain a similar advantage, and Sanji, in my opinion, being able to go even higher with Sky/Moon Walk than the jumping prowess of the minks.
Yes, we're putting that aside because its a silly idea that ties up two characters into this one role in order to solve a problem that is easily resolved by the person who has been the Sunny's lookout for the most time out of any character in the series: Carrot.
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You would be wrong. Not everyone with Haki has the range that Enel had. Exceptionally few, in fact. His haki was was special due to his devil fruit. From what we've seen of Usopp's haki, he can sense living things up to a few kilometers away.
How Big is Dressrosa? How far away would you say the shot was? 2km? 3? 10km? How far away did Van Auger shoot the bird when Luffy and the other were approaching Mock Town? Will Usopp not be able to extend the range of his haki? What dictates that his current range, upon awakening will remain constant across the series?
Yes, we're putting that aside because its a silly idea that ties up two characters into this one role in order to solve a problem that is easily resolved by the person who has been the Sunny's lookout for the most time out of any character in the series: Carrot.
Right, because Sanji didn't kick Luffy to chase Hody. Because Usopp hasn't been thrown by a giant to reach the rooftop in the Palace of Justice. Such silly ideas, I think Oda likes them.
Usopp can just use his plants to jump high.
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Either way, Sanji does not have the vertical maximum limitation that Carrot does, so in regards of going high to see further away, Sanji can out perform that advantage. A better reason is that as a ruler aide she does not abide by the cycle of day and night when it comes to the lookout position.
Maybe she can learn Moon Walk goes well with her theme.
And she is not going to be jumping every time to gain that advantage while they travel. That is an event for after having sighted something while on the crow's nest. So I still do not see how she has any further advantage when it comes to using binoculars, that Usopp does not have while for the latter the theme of seeing really far away is crucial for his character development, even something that will be a pivotal point in his fight with Van Auger.
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Carrot becomes crewmate in 2018
Oda at series end: "my biggest regret was making Carrot a crewmate"
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Carrot becomes crewmate in 2018
Oda at series end: "my biggest regret was making Carrot a crewmate"
I feel like he had a version of her planned from the start, if Robin's absence from the first crew sketch and Nami being the only visible girl is anything to go by.
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We get a huge payoff in Jinbe finally joining the crew after years and years of build up. Huge double spread, assigned role, confirmation that this time he's staying. All around really cool moments. But everyone wants to focus on the sexy bunny. Come on, guys.
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We get a huge payoff in Jinbe finally joining the crew after years and years of build up. Huge double spread, assigned role, confirmation that this time he's staying. All around really cool moments. But everyone wants to focus on the sexy bunny. Come on, guys.
What would you like people to say that hasn't already been said lol
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@K.:
How Big is Dressrosa? How far away would you say the shot was? 2km? 3? 10km?
I have the CN tower right outside my window and it seems comparable to the setup on Dressrosa, so I'd say 3~4 km. Keep in mind that Dressrosa isn't that big, only the size of the one city, and that both Usopp and the palace were still roughly downtown. That's a far cry from Van Auger shooting from beyond the horizon.
Right, because Sanji didn't kick Luffy to chase Hody. Because Usopp hasn't been thrown by a giant to reach the rooftop in the Palace of Justice. Such silly ideas, I think Oda likes them.
The problem isn't that kicking someone really high is stupid. The problem is that it's stupid to have that be how they perform a normal job on the ship. It would be like if Nami had to sit on Franky's shoulders in order to raise the anchor.
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We get a huge payoff in Jinbe finally joining the crew after years and years of build up. Huge double spread, assigned role, confirmation that this time he's staying. All around really cool moments. But everyone wants to focus on the sexy bunny. Come on, guys.
Well there's no use talking about Jimbei in the "NEXT strawhat" thread, he already joined. He was 99% confirmed way back in FI, so his appearance in this arc only boosted that by 1%. Not much to discuss there. The bunny is the only character relevant to this thread at the moment.
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What would you like people to say that hasn't already been said lol
I pose the exact same question to the arguments over whether or not Carrot is joining the Strawhats.
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I have the CN tower right outside my window and it seems comparable to the setup on Dressrosa, so I'd say ~4 km. Keep in mind that Dressrosa isn't that big, only the size of the one city, and that both Usopp and the palace were still roughly downtown. That's a far cry from Van Auger shooting from beyond the horizon.
Which only proves that Usopp will get development in shooting things even further away than that if he ever wants to stand a chance against Van Auger.
The problem isn't that kicking someone really high is stupid. The problem is that it's stupid to have that be how they perform a normal job on the ship.
A normal job in a ship is not having the lookout jump high multiple times to gain a more advantageous view. So if she did use it for that she would only perform it after she sees something without having jumped from the crow's nest.
Usopp can still use his plants to perform jumps.
It would be like if Nami had to sit on Franky's shoulders in order to raise the anchor.
That is a terrible analogy. That is nothing alike.
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@Below:
I pose the exact same question to the arguments over whether or not Carrot is joining the Strawhats.
We're getting more and more instances of her in the lookout position, so that has given us more to talk about in regard to positions that need to be filled. Sulong being a thing also caused a whole bunch of discussion.
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@Below:
I pose the exact same question to the arguments over whether or not Carrot is joining the Strawhats.
I don't disagree there, but it'd still make more sense than focusing on a character that has already joined, so…
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Well there's no use talking about Jimbei in the "NEXT strawhat" thread, he already joined. He was 99% confirmed way back in FI, so his appearance in this arc only boosted that by 1%. Not much to discuss there. The bunny is the only character relevant to this thread at the moment.
What I'm really hoping for is a chapter titled "The Ninth and the Tenth." Maybe chapter 900 or 901? A fellow can dream.
BTW, check your PM box, I sent a signature you can look over.
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We're getting more and more instances of her in the lookout position, so that has given us more to talk about in regard to positions that need to be filled. Sulong being a thing also caused a whole bunch of discussion.
Until we get more instances of her having an actual interesting personality though….
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No, that was not him describing what he was seeing. I mean, he was not even looking anymore as he was giving that description.
What he is describing there is how he planned the shooting, taking into account all the details provided by Viola and the wind direction to be sure the shot would land at Sugar after all the explosions/fragmentation.He had already readied the shoot even before he unlocked haki (he even started announcing the "attack" name before it), all that planning was based on what was provided to him before he unlocked it. And, well… we literally see through Usopp eyes when he unlocks that and he clearly can only see the auras not the details of the walls and bars and whatnot - and, well, even if we didn't saw through his eyes, we know that's not how CoO works anyways, it doesn't give you super vision.
That´s what CoO does.
He readied the shot, what enabled it to work was CoO though.
Tell that to Fujitora whose CoO literally is shown to work the same way and guess what, he can accurately pinpoint which buildings were destroyed and not and only lifted those that were destroyed.
Nobody is arguing Usopp´s CoO is at that level yet, but the argument that CoO does not help you see anything else other than people´s aura is literally debunked by Fujitora.
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That´s what CoO does.
He readied the shot, what enabled it to work was CoO though.
Tell that to Fujitora whose CoO literally is shown to work the same way and guess what, he can accurately pinpoint which buildings were destroyed and not and only lifted those that were destroyed.
Nobody is arguing Usopp´s CoO is at that level yet, but the argument that CoO does not help you see anything else other than people´s aura is literally debunked by Fujitora.
Every blind person can see everything by nature of blindness in fiction. Fujitora could hear a thunder from many kilometers away and know its direction even though Doflamingo and Law didn't even notice it, not because CoO gives him super hearing but because, just like any blind person in fiction, Fujitora is blessed with heightened senses that allow him to see everything better than anyone.
Unless Oda directly states Fujitora ability to perceive the world around him is because of his CoO, I wouldn't credit it to that.CoO is the ability to read a person's aura and their intent, thus becoming able to predict their actions. You can't read the aura of a brick, much less its intent. If CoO gave the person the ability to read everything, even inanimate objects, Enel would be able to read Dumb!Luffy movements just as fine, the "lack of intent" behind the movements shouldn't affect his ability to read them.
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Alright, new topic. I was rereading the past few chapters looking for a panel when I came upon this. What do you Carrot naysayers have to say about this?
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This is right after the green room scene, the last thing Luffy heard from his crew was that they were done for. Let's assume that Luffy realizes that Jimbei would be fine if the ship sank. Why would Luffy show worry for an arc tag-along before showing concern for one of his own crew members (Chopper) who is in the exact same predicament? Can anyone picture this happening for any of the arc tag-alongs except for maybe Vivi (who was deliberately being set up for a bait and switch)?
I sure can't.
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Carrot is not going to be a Strawhat.
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Carrot is not going to be a Strawhat.
Amazing argument.
Why are you in this thread if you don't want to discuss these things?
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I would say it is pretty bad argument even if I thought Carrot is the next crewmate.
Carrot is still Luffy's friends and is still on his ship. Why would he not care about her?
He cared about Pound just because he ran into him several times.
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Alright, new topic. I was rereading the past few chapters looking for a panel when I came upon this. What do you Carrot naysayers have to say about this?
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This is right after the green room scene, the last thing Luffy heard from his crew was that they were done for. Let's assume that Luffy realizes that Jimbei would be fine if the ship sank. Why would Luffy show worry for an arc tag-along before showing concern for one of his own crew members (Chopper) who is in the exact same predicament? Can anyone picture this happening for any of the arc tag-alongs except for maybe Vivi (who was deliberately being set up for a bait and switch)?
I sure can't.
Unlike guys like Paulie and others(honestly I can't remember any other tag alongs. Maybe wiper from sky and Lola ??) Carrot has played a really significant role in how this arc has turned out. Also you should remember that only six of them made to the island. So it would make sense that Luffy would show concern for one of the six.
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Luffy mentioned Momo before they left for Dressrosa, does that count? Do the parallels between Roger and Luffy end with the Minks, why not have a samurai, the heir to the Kozuki family no less, the previous lord traveled with Roger too.
It means nothings.
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So it would make sense that Luffy would show concern for one of the six.
Sure. But more concern than for Chopper? Or rather, the same amount of concern, but he just said three names at random and they're equally important to him? My point is that this is part of a larger trend of the story treating Carrot the same as the rest of the strawhats. Normally, the tag-alongs (Paulie, Zambai, Rebecca, Johnny & Yosaku, Camie, Hachi, Kinemon, Momo, Law, Conis, etc…) get treated differently from the rest of the crewmates. They have some clear goal that they are trying to accomplish by being with the strawhats and they don't often interact with the strawhats outside the realms of the thing they are trying to accomplish. When they do interact about unrelated stuff, they do so from the outside looking in.
Carrot and Vivi are the only non-strawhats who aren't like that. And Vivi would have joined the crew if it weren't for her obligations. Obligations that Carrot doesn't have.
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Luffy mentioned Momo before they left for Dressrosa, does that count?
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No.
Notice how he listed Momo only after listing all of the others.
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Now is "Luffy said her name", this is shipping levels of absurd.
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@.access:
Every blind person can see everything by nature of blindness in fiction. Fujitora could hear a thunder from many kilometers away and know its direction even though Doflamingo and Law didn't even notice it, not because CoO gives him super hearing but because, just like any blind person in fiction, Fujitora is blessed with heightened senses that allow him to see everything better than anyone.
Unless Oda directly states Fujitora ability to perceive the world around him is because of his CoO, I wouldn't credit it to that.CoO is the ability to read a person's aura and their intent, thus becoming able to predict their actions. You can't read the aura of a brick, much less its intent. If CoO gave the person the ability to read everything, even inanimate objects, Enel would be able to read Dumb!Luffy movements just as fine, the "lack of intent" behind the movements shouldn't affect his ability to read them.
Any kind of fiction is not One Piece, that correlation is non-existent.
Second, yes, him hearing about thunder was supposed to show CoO as well.
He does not directly need to state it, his feat speaks for itself.Ehm, that´s just one application of it. People can read feelings, can hear voices of animals, can see the future and so on.
Oda has made CoO the most unestablished and shaky ability in OP in order to explain many things away "oh that´s CoO".
Reading the intent of an opponent is something very basic and pretty much depicted as the lowest stage of it.So yes, Fuji showing the ability he has shown in Dressrosa -> CoO.
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Now is "Luffy said her name", this is shipping levels of absurd.
That´s the problem when you try to present a personal wish as a viable theory, you have to grasp at everything.
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@K.:
I would say it is pretty bad argument even if I thought Carrot is the next crewmate.
Yep, I'm with you here.
Any kind of fiction is not One Piece, that correlation is non-existent.
Second, yes, him hearing about thunder was supposed to show CoO as well.
He does not directly need to state it, his feat speaks for itself.Ehm, that´s just one application of it. People can read feelings, can hear voices of animals, can see the future and so on.
Oda has made CoO the most unestablished and shaky ability in OP in order to explain many things away "oh that´s CoO".
Reading the intent of an opponent is something very basic and pretty much depicted as the lowest stage of it.So yes, Fuji showing the ability he has shown in Dressrosa -> CoO.
As long as you know this is just your guess on Fujitora's ability and there is nothing suggesting you may be right… I mean, who knows, you may be right, but at this point is just your theory with no suggestion from Oda supporting it (and all of those CoO uses still derive from understanding a living creature's "aura". Even the future prediction is always based on what a person will do).
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CoA is shakier, as we still need a refresher every 2 months of "no, it's not that they are nullyfing devil fruits but it's an attack on their true body, whatever that means".
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I can easily see Oda's attitude being like "Yeeeah it's the same ballpark, listen, don't make things more complicated than it already is and just go along with it like the rest of folks."
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Luffy said Hancock's name! Truly it must be love! So much deep meaning and intent with him saying that name!
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No.
Notice how he listed Momo only after listing all of the others.
It means nothing. And if it does not apply to this particular scenario, do not pretend that this scene was not put forward as a reason for last week, or a few weeks back:
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They all stem from the same premise, and they all do not mean anything besides: "Luffy recognizes and cares for his crew and friends".
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Nami is Out and Brulee is IN confirmed!
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The name thing is as important in that if he didnt say it she'd definitely be out but by itself means nothing, luffy shouted out for kinemon after doflamingo sliced kick him after shooting law in front of the colliseum.
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The name thing is as important in that if he didnt say it she'd definitely be out but by itself means nothing
Pretty much. Like in Ch. 878, when Luffy calls out each of their names before heading into the Mirror World, Carrot missing out on that wouldn't have been good. But she didn't, so meh, life goes on.
Speaking of names, did Luffy ever get any of the Straw Hats' names wrong (or purposely give them silly nicknames) before they joined?
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Pretty much. Like in Ch. 878, when Luffy calls out each of their names before heading into the Mirror World, Carrot missing out on that wouldn't have been good. But she didn't, so meh, life goes on.
Speaking of names, did Luffy ever get any of the Straw Hats' names wrong (or purposely give them silly nicknames) before they joined?
Im pretty sure he kept calling chopper reindeer for a bit but besides that I dont think so.
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Luffy mentioned Inazuma by name while just using nicknames for Ivanokov and Magellan! In a moment of crisis where he explicitly says he is worried about them! ANd he didn't mention Buggy or Mr. 3 at all!
Clearly Inazuma is the next crewmate!
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Im pretty sure he kept calling chopper reindeer for a bit but besides that I dont think so.
Oh yea, I remember that. Thanks.
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I'm totally in team carrot. No one of the naysayers ever provided any good argument against the bunny boobs.