What if he is neither? Kuma isn't a bear zoan.
Strawhat Crew Theories and Prediction Thread
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What if he is neither? Kuma isn't a bear zoan.
And Don Flamingo isn't a Flamingo zoan and has little to do with the actual animal as well. But get hyped for fox Zoan , because nicknames and stuff.
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What if he is neither? Kuma isn't a bear zoan.
It isn't about his name. The first theory was about tanuki zoan brought up by Aohige himself, cuz of the "put a lead/stone on your head" magic he used on the kids. To that time we haven't even known the name.
In JP myth there are only 2 creatures using this type of magic. Tanuki and Kitsune…
Completely different from Kuma or DoFlamingo
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It isn't about his name. The first theory was about tanuki zoan brought up by Aohige himself, cuz of the "put a lead/stone on your head" magic he used on the kids. To that time we haven't even known the name.
In JP myth there are only 2 creatures using this type of magic. Tanuki and Kitsune…
Completely different from Kuma or DoFlamingo
Kuma has paws and bears have paws and he's not a Zoan.
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You still don't get it? Do you?
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Kuma had bear paws (paramecia). I'm not familiar with Japanese myths, but still it could be some sort of Paramecia.
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Kuma had bear paws (paramecia). I'm not familiar with Japanese myths, but still it could be some sort of Paramecia.
Read about it… As I said, Aohige himself brought this theory up with Tanuki at first… It's completely different from Kuma and his Paws.... And seriously no one thought about Kuma having a bear zoan, Crocodile having a croco zoan, Flamingo a flamingo zoan and so on. Dunno why you bring this up... ONCE again... the theory for Kinemon was brought in before the name was released and it is common JP thingy with tanuki/kitsune using a leaf/strone placed on the head to use their magic.
Now we can just discuss… Is it a Kitsune zoan cuz of his naming or will it be a Tanuki one
But why am I even talking... It is like talking with a brick wall. Thinking and researching on our own shouldn't be done... We should stomp this thread and forum and always wait for confirmation from Oda... Even for obivious stuff as the examples I brought before
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Reading : Homunculus, Blade of the Immortal
Watching : Serial Experiments Lain, Texhnolyze
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Let them talk… They think we assume Kinemon is a zoan cuz of his name, even if the theory was brought up before the name was mentioned
But you know... We need confirmation as we need for Zoro/Sanji having haki, Akainu being logia or Moriah being alive
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Wait, so you think Kuma is a zoan?
No. What? What I'm saying is that we haven't seen this unnamed fruit transform Kinemon into a raccoon or fox so to believe his powers are Zoan related is weird, but if it is well, I'll admit I was wrong.
P.S there's so much forshadowing to Kinemon being a Zoan that I can't even take it.
P.S.S
Luffy said Zoro and Sanji had Haki
Moriah was said to have "dissappeared" from the battle filed by the man who was assigned to kill him.
Akainu "became" magma, and showed that he was intangible.
Kinemon: Can make clothes out of rocks, that can be anything.Like how controling eveything inside a space suddenly relates to operations, what?
If I'm wrong I'll admit it.
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Cuz Kinemon is whole… But you are right I would love too see only a torso transformed... or just the legs.
And why hasn't Pell transformed at his first introduction after all? Or Lucchi? Ahh yeah cuz there was no need for and Oda decided to show it later. Same for all other DF users which haven't shown their DF ro their full set at first.
I still ask myself why WB hasn't used his epic Gura Gura no Mi against Shanks
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The name has nothing to do with why we think he's a Mythical Zoan.
It's his ability ,but this coupled with the Kitsune-bi nickname confirms it even more so.
Kitsune's say Poof when they use magic.
Bears can't take away pain,create shock waves , or send people flying in any folklore Ive read.
What foreshadowing is taking place?
I honestly don't see how anybody can come to that conclusion.If you re read the last three pages or so we explain why we think so.
"The Night Is Dark And Full Of Terror"
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@Superbear:
No. What? What I'm saying is that we haven't seen this unnamed fruit transform Kinemon into a raccoon or fox so to believe his powers are Zoan related is weird, but if it is well, I'll admit I was wrong.
P.S there's so much forshadowing to Kinemon being a Zoan that I can't even take it.
What foreshadowing is taking place?
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The name has nothing to do with why we think he's a Mythical Zoan.
It's his ability ,but this coupled with the Kitsune-bi nickname confirms it even more so.
Kitsune's say Poof when they use magic.
Bears can't take away pain,create shock waves , or send people flying in any folklore Ive read.
If you re read the last three pages or so we explain why we think so.
Foxes are know for being tricksters, now what was Foxy using his Parameica devil fruit for?
@Drake I'm being sarcastic.
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You still have no clue about the JP myth we are talking about.
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@Superbear:
Foxes are know for being tricksters, now what was Foxy using his Parameica devil fruit for?
I get what you're trying to say Superbear.
But what does Foxy being a trickster have to do with Kitsune/Tanuki magic?
Does he have an ability related to this legend as well?"The Night Is Dark And Full Of Terror"
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I get what you're trying to say Superbear.
But what does Foxy being a trickster have to do with Kitsune/Tanuki magic?
Does he have an ability related to this legend as well?Foxes like the Kitsune are know for transformation/shape shiting to, Foxy cos played through the entire arc. They are known to have multiple tails, One of Foxy's attack was referencing a nine talied fox. Foxes are related to fire, one of Foxy's machine had fire boxing gloves, They are also known for playing tricks on multiple types of people which Foxy did, They are know for possessing young women (Robin was a Foxy pirate for a time) Foxes are know for turning into women Foxy cos played as one of his female subordinates
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@Superbear:
Foxes like the Kitsune are know for transformation/shape shiting to, Foxy cos played through the entire arc. They are known to have multiple tails, One of Foxy's attack was referencing a nine talied fox. Foxes are related to fire, one of Foxy's machine had fire boxing gloves, They are also known for playing tricks on multiple types of people which Foxy did, They are know for possessing young women (Robin was a Foxy pirate for a time) Foxes are know for turning into women Foxy cos played as one of his female subordinates
Did he actually use the abilities of a Kitsune or just Cos Played?
"The Night Is Dark And Full Of Terror"
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So your evidence is that he created clothes?
I think you are probably gonna be disappointed when his fruit is something dumber like disguise disguise no mi.
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Did he actually use the abilities of a Kitsune or just Cos Played?
He cos played, and had a machine that could generate fire, now what Kinemon did was: the power to manifest in dreams, and the ability to create illusions so elaborate as to be almost indistinguishable from reality. http://www.therianthropes.com/kitsune_powers.htm Which could relate to a Parameica.
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So your evidence is that he created clothes?
I think you are probably gonna be disappointed when his fruit is something dumber like disguise disguise no mi.
Maybe so ,but it's more to it than just him creating clothes do some research on the Kitsune and Tanuki and how they activate their abilities….or not.
"The Night Is Dark And Full Of Terror"
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Maybe so ,but it's more to it than just him creating clothes do some research on the Kitsune and Tanuki and how they activate their abilities….or not.
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Foxy http://www.therianthropes.com/kitsune_powers.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsune
Compare Foxy's techniques (non-devil fruit/ devil fruit) and character with Kitsune powers, and you'll be surprised how similar they are.
Point: Kinemon has one characteristic while Foxy has many.
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@Superbear:
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Foxy http://www.therianthropes.com/kitsune_powers.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsune
Compare Foxy's techniques (non-devil fruit/ devil fruit) and character with Kitsune powers, and you'll be surprised how similar they are.
Checked it out and yea it does seem he has a Kitsune theme as well ,you are right but his power is more surrounded by the Nori Nori no mi while anything related to the Kitsune is fabricated by himself ,so he is like you assume a trickster.
I feel maybe Kinemon will be the more traditional Kitsune with magic and all or maybe like Kishido thinks, the nickname is a mislead when he's really a Tanuki Zoan Magic Samurai.
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Disguise Disguise no Mi?
COME ON, he legitimately had the SHs PLACE STONES ON THEIR HEADS, and then he turned the stones into clothes!
Before that, he asked the SHs to USE LEAVES instead of stones! Have you ever read up on Kitsune or Tanuki?If it's NOT a Kitsune Mythical Zoan, it's a Paramecia that specifically allows for Kitsune powers, not "disguises".
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Disguise Disguise no Mi?
COME ON, he legitimately had the SHs PLACE STONES ON THEIR HEADS, and then he turned the stones into clothes!
Before that, he asked the SHs to USE LEAVES instead of stones! Have you ever read up on Kitsune or Tanuki?If it's NOT a Kitsune Mythical Zoan, it's a Paramecia that specifically allows for Kitsune powers, not "disguises".
This, 16 characters.
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Now if only SH had Jinbei the slime would have been dead by now .
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Now if only SH had Jinbei the slime would have been dead by now .
But we wouldn't like to make things too easy now would we?
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It doesn't need to be too easy, Oda is the man, i'm pretty sure however he execute the fight it will end up being worthwhile .
Just take Enel vs Luffy or Water Luffy vs Croc for example, something that should have been easy ends up not being easy .
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Now if only SH had Jinbei the slime would have been dead by now .
Just like how Jinbei took out Magellan. :3
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 What's your point ?
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Anyone else wondering if Jinbe will share a cover with a Straw Hat? I mean, Vivi and Carue do and they're faraway nakama, maybe Jinbe will appear too.
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Anyone else wondering if Jinbe will share a cover with a Straw Hat? I mean, Vivi and Carue do and they're faraway nakama, maybe Jinbe will appear too.
I'd say yes. He's clearly in the "All-but-joined" camp now, and since ViVi already has one, the only reason I can think of is if Oda wants to give him his own cover-story.
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http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF smilies/6hq895.gif What's your point ?
If Jinbei wasn't useful against Magellan, what makes you think he'd be useful against the Slime?
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And since when was Mag and Slime the same ?
I wonder where you get the Jinbei [who just left prison and was in a hurry] wasn't useful against Mag, i mean it's not like their top priority atm was getting to MF in time to .
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@Superbear:
If Jinbei wasn't useful against Magellan, what makes you think he'd be useful against the Slime?
Jinbei is useful agaisnt the slime. Magellan had no weakness at all against his poison. The Slime isn't really that impressive, it has to many weaknesses. Fire and water are two of them. I think sanji can beat the slime.
Jinbei wasn't trying to fight Magellan either, there main priority was to escape Impel Down and get to MarineFord as fast as they could.I find sanji a great match up for the slime XD.
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@Naruto:
Jinbei is useful agaisnt the slime. Magellan had no weakness at all against his poison. The Slime isn't really that impressive, it has to many weaknesses. Fire and water are two of them. I think sanji can beat the slime.
Fire makes it blow up and then it regenerates, as far as water, we have no idea if that's a weakness.
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@Naruto:
Jinbei is useful agaisnt the slime. Magellan had no weakness at all against his poison. The Slime isn't really that impressive, it has to many weaknesses. Fire and water are two of them. I think sanji can beat the slime.
Magellan's poison was easily stymied by Mr. 3's wax, and water IS a weakness for Magellan, because he's a DF user.
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That's only if he is submerged .
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That's only if he is submerged .
What if that's the nature of the Slime's "weakness" to water? We hardly know anything about it.
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Magellan's poison was easily stymied by Mr. 3's wax, and water IS a weakness for Magellan, because he's a DF user.
Lol how did I forget he was weak against water. It's sea water not regular water. How come Luffy could touch Magellan with Mr.3's wax even though Magellen is a Logia Type DF(I think). You only can touch logia with haki and Luffy didn't know what haki.
@Superbear:
Fire makes it blow up and then it regenerates, as far as water, we have no idea if that's a weakness.
For some reason the slime couldn't cross the lake so I assumed water was a weakness of the slime.
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@Naruto:
Lol how did I forget he was weak against water. It's sea water not regular water. How come Luffy could touch Magellan with Mr.3's wax even though Magellen is a Logia Type DF(I think). You only can touch logia with haki and Luffy didn't know what haki.
Magellan was a Paramecia, but you're right, his DF functioned in a similar way. It's just that his actual body wasn't intangible, it was just protected by deadly poison. Remember when Luffy used G2 to punch through the poison and hit Magellan's body? Also, a lot of true Logias have elemental weaknesses of their own. Crocodile was weak to water even when he wasn't submerged, and Enel was weak to rubber.
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Magellan was a Paramecia, but you're right, his DF functioned in a similar way. It's just that his actual body wasn't intangible, it was just protected by deadly poison. Remember when Luffy used G2 to punch through the poison and hit Magellan's body? Also, a lot of true Logias have elemental weaknesses of their own. Crocodile was weak to water even when he wasn't submerged, and Enel was weak to rubber.
Ah ok, I always thought Magellen's DF was a logia type. It would make more sense for it to be a logia type.
Lol Enel just had bad luck when he met Luffy. Akainu and Akojiki(i don't know how to spell their names) are polar oppisites and are both weak against each other. -
@Naruto:
Lol how did I forget he was weak against water. It's sea water not regular water. How come Luffy could touch Magellan with Mr.3's wax even though Magellen is a Logia Type DF(I think). You only can touch logia with haki and Luffy didn't know what haki.
For some reason the slime couldn't cross the lake so I assumed water was a weakness of the slime.
I remember in the spoiler thread I think maybe CCC's translation stated that CC said the slime didn't "like" water or something along the lines of that so that was the reason for flinging itself across.
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The Slime is probably water-soluble, meaning, it would dissolve when submerged.
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Slime is made if I recall of compressed gas. Which we could link to CC, which we could link to his fruit. Which we could link the water weakness towards to. I probably think we will see CC fusion with Slime further the story. As they are probably one and the same. Only somehow he managed to make Slime his pet.
As the lake is seawater that takes away a DF power if would mean that Slime could dissolve or lose its power in the water due it's nature of being born from a DF n.n.
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That said, we are getting more talking about the chapters and story then we were about talking about Kinemon/Jinbe or The crew.
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Slime is made if I recall of compressed gas. Which we could link to CC, which we could link to his fruit. Which we could link the water weakness towards to. I probably think we will see CC fusion with Slime further the story. As they are probably one and the same. Only somehow he managed to make Slime his pet.
As the lake is seawater that takes away a DF power if would mean that Slime could dissolve or lose its power in the water due it's nature of being born from a DF n.n.
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That said, we are getting more talking about the chapters and story then we were about talking about Kinemon/Jinbe or The crew.
Well to be honest they have been discussed out, there nothing more to add about either of them. Everything has been said about Kinemon, we are now just waiting for the manga to confirm theories/common sense. Same can be said for Jinbei,we could discuss Wano.
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We could also discuss how we think fights are happening in this arc.
Don't remember who said it, but I really like the idea of the Yeti Cool Brothers, or at least one of them, returning to the cave looking for revenge and finding only Usopp, who would then proceed to solo them.As for the slime, I'm unsure how it would be stopped, but I do think it's not too much of a pushover given it's the reason the island became uninhabited in the first place. For those who say sanji could stop it with fire, I think that'd be a terrible idea given it's propensity to explode. (and the fact I don't see him using anything fire related and risking damage to Nami's legs.)
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I do have this weird feeling about Kinemon. If he didn't have a son, then I'd guess he'd be the next crewmember. As is, I think it's likely that he becomes friendly with the Strawhats and either leads them to his island, or, like Jinbe, promises to meet them there.
May you live in interesting times.
May you attract the attention of those above you.
~Two ancient Chinese curses.
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I do have this weird feeling about Kinemon. If he didn't have a son, then I'd guess he'd be the next crewmember. As is, I think it's likely that he becomes friendly with the Strawhats and either leads them to his island, or, like Jinbe, promises to meet them there.
Well, remember when Brook explained that Wano doesn't allow outsiders into their nation?
Saving Kinemon and Momonosuke, will probably be the SH's ticket into Wano.
