Well Usopp has superhuman or at least near superhuman eyesight, he must also have a borderline superhuman sense of wind patterns and such. Nami can sense the weather before it will even happen, kind of like people with joint pains, this could be considered superhuman in some ways.
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Isn't most of this just Fanon?
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The 4 tonne bat to the face in a comparison with normal humans is a moot point if I've ever seen one. Who the hell can pick up 4 tonnes and swing it around? Usopp can take as much damage as any other strawhat and has done on occasion, but never one more than any of the Monster Trio. They've considered the Monster Trio because in every physical way, they're off the charts compared to the others.
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The 4 tonne bat to the face in a comparison with normal humans is a moot point if I've ever seen one. Who the hell can pick up 4 tonnes and swing it around? Usopp can take as much damage as any other strawhat and has done on occasion, but never one more than any of the Monster Trio. They've considered the Monster Trio because in every physical way, they're off the charts compared to the others.
I completey agree even if there is no monter trio anymore for some people
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Isn't most of this just Fanon?
I can't remember any of these classifications being clarifiedI'm currently looking into it. There used to articles about superhuman strenght/spped on OP wikia and had references to where info was gotten. I know wiki is not to be taken at face value, thats why use the references to go read where info came from. However, those articles seem to be taken down.
Ablilty users, is canon as the term has been used in the manga. Several times in the manga/SBS (possibly in articles) its been said that Usopp and Nami are 'normal ones' of the Strawhats.While the term of superhuman I think has been used but can't recall what chapter. I remember that both Usopp & Nami have sereval times yelled at the 'monster trio' (either at indiviuals or full group depending on event) that they were normal and not monster or had 'scary strenght' like them.
The 4 tonne bat to the face in a comparison with normal humans is a moot point if I've ever seen one. Who the hell can pick up 4 tonnes and swing it around?
It is not a moot point because it is cannon. Mr.4 can and did hit Usopp with a 4 ton bat. I'm sure Zoro would be able to as well. Remember some of those wieghts hehad on a pole and swung over his head as part of his workout? ITs shown on the Anime but also in manga once or twice. Tried to find in in the manga..not found yet but I did find this that shows just how strong Zoro is, if he can lift that with his legs then he could with his arms and swing it,
Mr.4 is one the characters that has strenght well above normal human's . Oda said that he has no devil power but his own strenght
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You're missing the point. People are saying Usopp is amazing because he's normal but took a 4T bat to the face. The fact of the matter is, we live in a world where no one could swing a 4T bad and no one, no matter how resilient can survive a face-first collision with 4T of anything. On top of that, everyone is being a tad ignorant of the fact that the monster trio on a regular basis, hell most characters in the manga take blows of which have devastation effects that far outweigh 4T. Usopp has some nice traits, he's build to be relate-able and highly skillful, however, the monster trio are built for the exact opposite of that. Hence why they can do what they can do and take on who they can. Mr 4 was Mister Four because he's only the fourth strongest in Boroque Works. I'd hazard a guess at him being literally fodder to anyone on Skypiea let alone in CP9. If 4T is the benchmark for impressive blows taken, the Monster Trio… no no, that's too generous, let's just say that even Chopper in default form has surpassed that a couple times by now. In fact didn't Chopper take destroy Dosun's hammer with his bear hoof? It's always been the case on this forum that Oda's intention of making Usopp relate-able has lead people to sensationalise his feats, it's unnecessary, he does what he can in his own way.
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I feel like this is another example of an attack being hyped up as super-powerful, and then failing to kill a character.
This happens all the time. Remember when Enel's lightning amounted to tickling? Or Crocodile's bomb, for god's sake.
Even Rokuogan's failure to kill Luffy, went contrary to what Lucci said about it. -
Usopps true power will be revealed when the crew reaches Elfbaf, which i believe will be the arc where he shines. Before that Usopp will be Usopp :D
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Usopps true power will be revealed when the crew reaches Elfbaf, which i believe will be the arc where he shines. Before that Usopp will be Usopp :D
Don't forget the Sniper Island arc too.
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I feel like this is another example of an attack being hyped up as super-powerful, and then failing to kill a character.
This happens all the time. Remember when Enel's lightning amounted to tickling? Or Crocodile's bomb, for god's sake.
Even Rokuogan's failure to kill Luffy, went contrary to what Lucci said about it.Exactly. I was just about to post about the freaking nuke.
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I hope nobody here believes that getting hit with a 4 ton bat by Mr 4 would have actually defeated Sanji.
I think most people can agree that Nami can take the least amount of damage though! She's not exactly made of paper or anything, but she takes far less damage than anyone else. She's the only person on the crew who could get stabbed through the foot and make us cringe.
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I hope nobody here believes that getting hit with a 4 ton bat by Mr 4 would have actually defeated Sanji.
I think most people can agree that Nami can take the least amount of damage though! She's not exactly made of paper or anything, but she takes far less damage than anyone else. She's the only person on the crew who could get stabbed through the foot and make us cringe.
Well there are people believing it… Same as there are people thinking that there is no monster trio anymore, cuz Franky MELT a door
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Well there are people believing it… Same as there are people thinking that there is no monster trio anymore, cuz Franky MELT a door
I thought Haki was enough proof that the MT still exists.
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Not for everyone cuz it means nothing… A melted door used as plot device is more important.
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I think that if there had been no statement of how heavy the bat was, there would be less to argue about.
If it had looked exactly the same, we would have just assumed it was powerful, but not strong enough to kill Usopp.
But because Oda attached a real-world quantity to it, now we assume that it should have killed Usopp, and that he tanked it. -
Real logic used in OP makes no sense after all… But still people use it now for the Usopp bat...
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Well there are people believing it… Same as there are people thinking that there is no monster trio anymore, cuz Franky MELT a door
Franky is like the heavy artillery of the crew. He's not exactly the most agile or dextrous guy out there to say the least, so I have no issues with him packing a larger punch than Sanji (and yes, he can). In fact, I think it's good that there can be intermingling pros and cons like that. It's not a plot device.
The monster trio is still alive and well, though. And when it comes down to actual fighting, that will be more apparent. And yeah, haki is a good indicator of that.
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Franky is like the artillery of the crew. Not exactly the most agile or dextrous guy out there to say the least, so I have no issues with him packing a larger punch than Sanji. In fact, I think it's good that there can be intermingling pros and cons like that. It's not a plot device.
The monster trio is still alive and well, though. And when it comes down to actual fighting, that will be more apparent.
That's exactly what I'm saying to people as Jabra… but whatever.
Overall fighting strenght is something different than putting one hammer out. Franky may has one really big ass move MELTING a door apart which means nothing after all in overall strenght... even less, if he is still limited to cola or other stuff.
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Funny thing is, for all the discussion. I don't think the Current (PH) Usopp could handle the accumulated damage from any of Sanji's battles let alone take down any of the enemies Sanji has bested. While I do believe that only Zoro and Sanji could've handled the compounded damage that Luffy had stored in his body from the entirety of his first half on the Grandline.
Also,I'm not sure I agree with Urogue about Franky. Franky is good at doing Franky things, just like Usopp, Chopper and Nami are. While Franky's attacks may have more bedazzle, I don't think his strongest attack bests any of the strongest attacks from anyone in the Monster Trio.
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Funny thing is, for all the discussion. I don't think the Current (PH) Usopp could handle the accumulated damage from any of Sanji's battles let alone take down any of the enemies Sanji has bested. While I do believe that only Zoro and Sanji could've handled the compounded damage that Luffy had stored in his body from the entirety of his first half on the Grandline.
Also,I'm not sure I agree with Urogue about Franky. Franky is good at doing Franky things, just like Usopp, Chopper and Nami are. While Franky's attacks may have more bedazzle, I don't think his strongest attack bests any of the strongest attacks from anyone in the Monster Trio.
But he melted the door Sanji wasn't able to crush with his "strongest" attack… And it wasn't just a plot device ala Zoro not able to break out of a steel cage or Luffy not able to break out of ropes in fishmen island.
It was serious stuff to show that Frank'y power output > Sanji's... Oda hasn't used it for the plot like for example CC wanting to have this lasers.
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Current Franky may actually be stronger than Sanji due to serious Vegapunk upgrades. That said, Zoro & Sanji can take down a Pacifista in a single hit so bleh.
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even if this is OP physics you're still comparing like a 10 000 degrees centigrade beam to a kick, i'm sure if CC wanted to learn kung fu he'd dissect sanji's leg to figure out his muscle tone and copy that. But he doesn't, it seems like he could be trying to make his own versions of the pacifistas and would like the same laser technology as in the others.
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But he melted the door Sanji wasn't able to crush with his "strongest" attack… And it wasn't just a plot device ala Zoro not able to break out of a steel cage or Luffy not able to break out of ropes in fishmen island.
It was serious stuff to show that Frank'y power output > Sanji's... Oda hasn't used it for the plot like for example CC wanting to have this lasers.
Yeah and pretty much everyone in the whole crew had a lazer shot at them and survived. Sanji uses blunt force, Franky uses heat to burn, thus the only real comparison there would be Franky vs Zoro vs The Door. I can pretty much assure you that within two arcs, we'll have someone shrug off a lazer shot and still be an almost insurmountable object that'll go down before one of the Monster Trio. Oh and just for the record, Usopp could hit a pin point target that Luffy'd have no hope of hitting. It doesn't mean anything.
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You are thinking the same way as I do… Jabra is the one thinking that there isn no monster trio anymore
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It's kinda stupid to think that there's no Monster Trio anymore, especially when you consider that Luffy, Zoro and Sanji's training were much more harsh than the others. The gap between the MT and the rest should be much bigger than pre-timeskip, logically speaking.
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Yeah and pretty much everyone in the whole crew had a lazer shot at them and survived. Sanji uses blunt force, Franky uses heat to burn, thus the only real comparison there would be Franky vs Zoro vs The Door. I can pretty much assure you that within two arcs, we'll have someone shrug off a lazer shot and still be an almost insurmountable object that'll go down before one of the Monster Trio. Oh and just for the record, Usopp could hit a pin point target that Luffy'd have no hope of hitting. It doesn't mean anything.
But Zoro is already an established Doorslayer, in OPverse: he killed plenty of doors… :ninja:
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Also,I'm not sure I agree with Urogue about Franky. Franky is good at doing Franky things, just like Usopp, Chopper and Nami are. While Franky's attacks may have more bedazzle, I don't think his strongest attack bests any of the strongest attacks from anyone in the Monster Trio.
I don't understand the notion that for one person to be stronger than another, they have to be better in every single aspect. Sanji can fly, is more agile, more dextrous, and a smarter and better natural fighter than Franky. Franky can hit harder, as was proven by the "unbreachable" door. In combat, he's exactly what you'd expect from a heavy artillery unit. I don't understand the resistance to letting him have his single claim to fame. It doesn't make him a more powerful fighter overall. Sanji will probably surpass the raw power of that laser at some point during the New World, but he's not there yet, and his minimum of 4 attempts to break down that door prove it.
Having said that, this is turning into a strength debate and I'm not helping matters. We need to veer away from that path.
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I don't understand the notion that for one person to be stronger than another, they have to be better in every single aspect. Sanji can fly, is more agile, more dextrous, and a smarter and better natural fighter than Franky. Franky can hit harder, as was proven by the "unbreachable" door. In combat, he's exactly what you'd expect from a heavy artillery unit. I don't understand the resistance to letting him have his single claim to fame. It doesn't make him a more powerful fighter overall. Sanji will probably surpass the raw power of that laser at some point during the New World, but he's not there yet, and his minimum of 4 attempts to break down that door prove it.
Having said that, this is turning into a strength debate and I'm not helping matters. We need to veer away from that path.
In real life, you can have a weaker more skilled person take down a stronger person. Martial Arts Master versus Gym Freak. The Master can use small attacks that slowly accumulate damage and take out an enemy over an hour rather than in five minutes. That's all fair and dandy. That doesn't apply to Usopp versus Sanji nor even Franky versus Sanji. One does best the other in pretty much every way and given the One Piece world, things like liver blows and accumulated damage don't count for anything. Franky now has a laser, he also has Coup De Vent. These are things that Sanji can't do. No one is taking them away from Sanji but to then jump to the conclusion that Franky's hitting power outweighs that of any of the Monster Trio is a bit of a stretch. Especially when Franky merely melted the door and Sanji actually put a huge dent in it.
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In real life, you can have a weaker more skilled person take down a stronger person. Martial Arts Master versus Gym Freak. The Master can use small attacks that slowly accumulate damage and take out an enemy over an hour rather than in five minutes. That's all fair and dandy. That doesn't apply to Usopp versus Sanji nor even Franky versus Sanji. One does best the other in pretty much every way and given the One Piece world, things like liver blows and accumulated damage don't count for anything. Franky now has a laser, he also has Coup De Vent. These are things that Sanji can't do. No one is taking them away from Sanji but to then jump to the conclusion that Franky's hitting power outweighs that of any of the Monster Trio is a bit of a stretch. Especially when Franky merely melted the door and Sanji actually put a huge dent in it.
This is not about a fight between the two…. Sanji would destroy Franky in a fight.
Sanji would even survive those powerful laser shots from Franky.
Just because Franky can do more damage than Sanji with their best attacks don't mean Franky is Stronger.Also at the moment this is only about Franky doing More damage than Sanji with their best attacks.
Luffy and Zoro most likely do more damage since we have seen them destroy similar Doors already Pre-timeskip.
We have seen Zoro Make Kuma cough blood and put a dent on him Pre-timeskip, With his ShiShi SonSon.(In his Fatigued, Damaged State)!
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Silly question: Can Monster Point Chopper jump?
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@Superbear:
Silly question: Can Monster Point Chopper jump?
I believe he can, how high I'm not sure.
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@nodensuke:
I believe he can, how high I'm not sure.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4rh7wVsZW1rtpszvo1_500.pngI forgot about that, thanks.
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@Superbear:
I forgot about that, thanks.
No problem! I wonder if he can jump higher than Kung fu point.
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@nodensuke:
No problem! I wonder if he can jump higher than Kung fu point.
I hope so, maybe he will be able to move like Oars/Luffy if a situation requires it.
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@Superbear:
I hope so, maybe he will be able to move like Oars/Luffy if a situation requires it.
Maybe, I'm also really wondering (mostly because we got no clear comparison) how big the Yeti Cool Brothers and slime are compared to him.
Even the size comparison to him and a giant makes me curious.
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@nodensuke:
Maybe, I'm also really wondering (mostly because we got no clear comparison) how big the Yeti Cool Brothers and slime are compared to him.
Even the size comparison to him and a giant makes me curious.
Same here.
During his fight against Kumadori he seemed to be quite a bit larger than when he's using monster point. It was probably just emphasis to make the fight more amazing though.Reading : Homunculus, Blade of the Immortal
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@nodensuke:
Maybe, I'm also really wondering (mostly because we got no clear comparison) how big the Yeti Cool Brothers and slime are compared to him.
Even the size comparison to him and a giant makes me curious.
I think its safe to say that he is at least the size of a giant because I believe back at Sabondy he was bigger than Kuma so he's over 22 feet tall
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Same here.
During his fight against Kumadori he seemed to be quite a bit larger than when he's using monster point. It was probably just emphasis to make the fight more amazing though.Well, if you look at the chapters where he's transformed after that, he's still massive compared to everyone else there.
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v58/c645/18.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v52/c512/15.html
I want to see him next to a giant personally.
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Well, if you look at the chapters where he's transformed after that, he's still massive compared to everyone else there.
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v58/c645/18.html
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v52/c512/15.html
I want to see him next to a giant personally.
Good point, although both of the angles that its drawn look like they could be exaggerated for the sake of awesome.
And same here, or him taking on a giant would be really cool. I'm excited to see him take down the bigger enemies.
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Good point, although both of the angles that its drawn look like they could be exaggerated for the sake of awesome.
And same here, or him taking on a giant would be really cool. I'm excited to see him take down the bigger enemies.
True! It does look awesome! but I think the size is still pretty great.
I hope to see MC Vs. Theee Sliiiiimmme.
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True! It does look awesome! but I think the size is still pretty great.
I hope to see MC Vs. Theee Sliiiiimmme.
But!
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This is not about a fight between the two…. Sanji would destroy Franky in a fight.
Sanji would even survive those powerful laser shots from Franky.
Just because Franky can do more damage than Sanji with their best attacks don't mean Franky is Stronger.Also at the moment this is only about Franky doing More damage than Sanji with their best attacks.
Luffy and Zoro most likely do more damage since we have seen them destroy similar Doors already Pre-timeskip.
We have seen Zoro Make Kuma cough blood and put a dent on him Pre-timeskip, With his ShiShi SonSon.(In his Fatigued, Damaged State)! http://i5.mangapanda.com/one-piece/485/one-piece-64424.jpg
! http://i1.mangapanda.com/one-piece/485/one-piece-64425.jpgTo compare it to door feats PRE TIMESKIP makes no sense. Yeah Luffy smashed a door and such… And Zoro made a small cut on Kuma, BUT all of them failed to smash/cut a PX, made out of the hardest material besides sea stone we know so far. Sanji nearly broke his leg, Zoro coudln't cut probably and Luffy as well. it needed a team work to beat a PX.
Post TS Sanji, Zoro and Luffy smashed/cut a PX without effort, so thinking that Post TS Sanji couldn't bless the door Luffy did is well... not really good
Same for saying... Sanji absolutely tried his best attack to beat DAT door. Would be like saying Zoro did his absultely best to get out of the cage in fishmen island and Luffy to get out of the ropes... But they hadn't and struggled for the sake of the plot... Hell last chapter Luffy bit through steel chains LOL but couldn't break out of ropes.
We have no clue if Sanji used his best attacks and as I said, but this door has to be something special (Harder than a PX) if Sanji couldn't and Franky MELDTED ITwith HIS best attack… or seriously, it was just for the plot as the example I said above... It was used by Oda for a reason for CC wanting to capture Franky after all.
It was stupid a bit as well... Sanji was able to crack the walls of the room with one simple kick towards Samurai's head... So there was no need for beating the door after all if he could smash the wall... There was only one reason to do so... PLOT for CC wanting Franky's lasers
But we should let it be or it will turn out worse.
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I really don't understand why strength based on whether or not you can break down and door is being discussed, especially this door when it's been explained why ONLY Franky could destroy it.
Caesar stated in the chapter that the entire room was built to absorb any physical attacks. He's a scientist that was formerly working with Vegapunk and for the World Government, does that not count for something in the way of being able to achive building such a room? It had to be melted by a laser for them to escape.
I'm pretty possitive the only 2 people who could have gotten the crew out of that room are Franky and Zoro. But, as KiShiDo said, this was purely for the plot, CC wanting Vegapunks laser from Franky's body.
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Here is the translation of cnet for people like Jabra, who likes to use the door as indication for a Sanji failure showing that Franky has superiour attack power… As you and I said... Plot reasons nothing more... but welll he thinks there is no monter trio after all and even Nami and Co probably could give Luffy a fight.
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Master: I see…... / This door that should absorb all forms of physical attack, obliterated...!!
Pursuers: Ah… Master!!
Master: These scorched edges... Just who are those people...? // I know of only one man with the technology to create laser weaponry...!!! / This seems just like the work of one of that accursed Vegapunk's Pacifista!! // So... Have you still not managed to capture the escaped prisoners?Physical attack is the keyword Jabra
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@Superbear:
I think its safe to say that he is at least the size of a giant because I believe back at Sabondy he was bigger than Kuma so he's over 22 feet tall
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Thanks for pointing that out! It doesn't give me notifications when people quote me, so I didn't see your post at first, sorry. I really want Oda to answer it soon, someone should ask this in an SBS. Or ask for a drawing comparison between them.
@KiShiDo: Thanks for clearing up my error about it just being the door and not the whole room, I didn't bother to re look at the page, so I was just going by memory and knew he mentioned something being able to absorb them.
There IS still a monster trio, there all ways will be.
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To compare it to door feats PRE TIMESKIP makes no sense. Yeah Luffy smashed a door and such… And Zoro made a small cut on Kuma, BUT all of them failed to smash/cut a PX, made out of the hardest material besides sea stone we know so far. Sanji nearly broke his leg, Zoro coudln't cut probably and Luffy as well. it needed a team work to beat a PX.
Post TS Sanji, Zoro and Luffy smashed/cut a PX without effort, so thinking that Post TS Sanji couldn't bless the door Luffy did is well... not really good
Same for saying... Sanji absolutely tried his best attack to beat DAT door. Would be like saying Zoro did his absultely best to get out of the cage in fishmen island and Luffy to get out of the ropes... But they hadn't and struggled for the sake of the plot... Hell last chapter Luffy bit through steel chains LOL but couldn't break out of ropes.
We have no clue if Sanji used his best attacks and as I said, but this door has to be something special (Harder than a PX) if Sanji couldn't and Franky MELDTED ITwith HIS best attack… or seriously, it was just for the plot as the example I said above... It was used by Oda for a reason for CC wanting to capture Franky after all.
It was stupid a bit as well... Sanji was able to crack the walls of the room with one simple kick towards Samurai's head... So there was no need for beating the door after all if he could smash the wall... There was only one reason to do so... PLOT for CC wanting Franky's lasers
But we should let it be or it will turn out worse.
You need to reread Chapter 510 starting from page 9. Every Single one of the Strawhats Damaged the PX Even the weaker ones among them and caused it to sort circuits. Than Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji came to Finish it off. Zoro was Able to damage Kuma While Sanji was crawling on the Floor in pain. Zoro and Luffy were able to cut/break thick Steel Doors at Enies lobby. Apparently there is a Difference between Kuma and the PX's. Sanji can Land hits on the PX and not whiter in pain. Even Brook, Chopper and Nami can damage it badly causing it to go on a rampage. Urouge was beating the Shit out of the PX with a pillar of Stone. PX's aren't as tough as Kuma whom Zoro was able to dent pre-timeskip.
There is a Clear difference in how Destructive Luffy and Zoro are compared to Sanji. The fact that Franky has 1 move so far that can do what Sanji can't shouldn't be a big deal. Sanji is Still the Stronger fighter.
Also Zoro is Tied up in the Cage without a Sword….
Luffy Didn't try to get out of the ropes....
The Head hitting the Wall was Comic relief....
Every single Strawhat has things that each one of them can and can't do. This is one of those moments that Sanji couldn't do.
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You need to reread Chapter 510 starting from page 9. Every Single one of the Strawhats Damaged the PX Even the weaker ones among them and caused it to sort circuits. Than Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji came to Finish it off. Zoro was Able to damage Kuma While Sanji was crawling on the Floor in pain. Zoro and Luffy were able to cut/break thick Steel Doors at Enies lobby. Apparently there is a Difference between Kuma and the PX's. Sanji can Land hits on the PX and not whiter in pain. Even Brook, Chopper and Nami can damage it badly causing it to go on a rampage. Urouge was beating the Shit out of the PX with a pillar of Stone. PX's aren't as tough as Kuma whom Zoro was able to dent pre-timeskip.
There is a Clear difference in how Destructive Luffy and Zoro are compared to Sanji. The fact that Franky has 1 move so far that can do what Sanji can't shouldn't be a big deal. Sanji is Still the Stronger fighter.
Also Zoro is Tied up in the Cage without a Sword….
Luffy Didn't try to get out of the ropes....
The Head hitting the Wall was Comic relief....
Every single Strawhat has things that each one of them can and can't do. This is one of those moments that Sanji couldn't do.
While I believe Luffy and Zoro could have for the reasons I have provided.Apple Sauce I was talking about the material /the hardest besides Sea stone so far)… No one of the SHs could damage it heavily. It needed a team effort to put one PX out. Now the monster trio can smash this material without problems or hurting... And Sanji with Diable Jambe was able to damage the PX as well PRE Timeskip. But if you really think that Post TS Sanji coudln't blast the door Luffy did pre TS or make a single scratch on Kuma now (Take into account that Zoro hasn't done much damage as well and the crew was already weakened after the fight with Moriah) than we don't need to talk either
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Read cnet's translation. The door was absorbing physical attacks. It doesn't mean that Franky biggest attack is stronger than Sanji's strongest attack and we still hasn't seen Sanji using his strongest attack after all… With this explanation not even Luffy could do something and still it was used as PLOT deviceBTW
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Apple Sauce I was talking about the material /the hardest besides Sea stone so far)… No one of the SHs could damage it heavily. It needed a team effort to put one PX out. Now the monster trio can smash this material without problems or hurting... And Sanji with Diable Jambe was able to damage the PX as well PRE Timeskip. But if you really think that Post TS Sanji coudln't blast the door Luffy did pre TS or make a single scratch on Kuma now (Take into account that Zoro hasn't done much damage as well and the crew was already weakened after the fight with Moriah) than we don't need to talk either
And you missed this as well
Read cnet's translation. The door was absorbing physical attacks. It doesn't mean that Franky biggest attack is stronger than Sanji's strongest attack and we still hasn't seen Sanji using his strongest attack after all… With this explanation not even Luffy could do something and still it was used as PLOT deviceBTW
Luffy tried and still it was a plot device to handicap him... Or how could fodder put him into ropes. But whateverEvery Single Strawhat Damaged the PX Heavily. It needed a Team effort to bring it down but Every Single one of them did Heavy damage before Time Skip.
There is a difference in the Hardness of Material between Kuma and the PX's apparently….
If Sanji withers in Pain after hitting Kuma and we know his fine against the PX's, than we know there is a difference.
Even the Weaker Strawhats Damaged the PX Heavily.
Every Single one of them Injured during Kuma fight.So far from what we have seen Sanji couldn't destroy the door... Was he holding back or not we can don't know.
Fact is Franky did it, and Zoro and Luffy most likely can as well.
If Zoro was able to dent Kuma pre Time skip than He should be able to cut that door. Same would go for Luffy, that we saw from him at Enies Lobby.The Rope on Luffy means noting, He let them do it.
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Every Single Strawhat Damaged the PX Heavily. It needed a Team effort to bring it down but Every Single one of them did Heavy damage before Time Skip.
There is a difference in the Hardness of Material between Kuma and the PX's apparently….
If Sanji withers in Pain after hitting Kuma and we know his fine against the PX's, than we know there is a difference.
Even the Weaker Strawhats Damaged the PX Heavily.
Every Single one of them Injured during Kuma fight.So far from what we have seen Sanji couldn't destroy the door... Was he holding back or not we can don't know.
Fact is Franky did it, and Zoro and Luffy most likely can as well.
If Zoro was able to dent Kuma pre Time skip than He should be able to cut that door. Same would go for Luffy, that we saw from him at Enies Lobby.The Rope on Luffy means noting, He let them do it.
Once again the door was ABSORBING Physical attacks… Are you even reading?
But no need for discussing
... more interesting is about the door... Was it maybe the same material as the walls in MHQ, which WB himself wasn't able to beat. (Weak loser)
