The "Worst Generation / Supernova Discussion Thread

Money and Spades

I meant 5 emperors. Dont know romanji

Foxy The Silver Fox

@Money:

I meant 5 emperors. Dont know romanji

I know, I was just desperate to use that image.

desa

@Money:

Why not 5 yonkous, Law n Kid ( Luffy not yet.)

Because it has to be four. It's just an establish thing. Four top seats for pirates. Maybe Law won't enter this struggle. He doesn't have island and is consider a traitor to pirates.

Densuke

@desa:

Because it has to be four. It's just an establish thing. Four top seats for pirates. Maybe Law won't enter this struggle. He doesn't have island and is consider a traitor to pirates.

There doesn't have to be only four, that's just how many there are at the moment.
We don't know how long they've actually held that title, and it was never stated that there could only be four at a time.

In the past or future there may be more or less.

Triceron

4 is what the current balance is at, and they've mentioned before that the power balance of the world shifts dramatically if that isn't maintained. That's why the Shichibukai exist, remember. Law is doing exactly what the WG wants happened.

Pookiez

because if there were five emperors it would be called the gokou and that just reminds us of

asm00200

@KiShiDo:

Seriously now after we have seen the feats of Law or seeing Kidd and Co challening a Yonkou right now… Why compared to them the SHs needed a 2 years training arc? Rayleigh mentioned to Luffy that it is needed cuz he has seen what happened in SA... Yeah it happened but the others were able to progress on a similar scale as well and overall people suggest that pre TS the SHs were the strongest overall crew after all

Yeah Luffy for example learned haki, which once was said to be hard to learn... Law proved he learned it without mentor and being able to beat a haki specialist as Vergo in Coa... and so on

So for what?

To power up? Law proved to have powered up in high scales as well and no one seriously doubts he is still in one ballpark as Luffy... Same for Kidd

To power up the others? Well as it seems Kidd's crew for example is pretty intact as well?

Cuz the SHs were only chased by high rankings opponents? Well maybe BUT as we have learned now Law gives a damn challenging a Yonkou or even DoFla just now. OK Akainu maybe sees in Luffy a bigger threat but still it is somehow strange that all others could easily enter the NW and power up as well without having trouble with any of them

Seeing the current arc the only logical consequence so far is that Oda wanted to have a style change for the SHs and skip the "we will improve arc" and enter the NW as powerful pirates that can challenge high ranking pirates/marines.

But seeing that people like Zoro for plot relevance had trained under Mihawk while people like Kidd just entered the NW right on the spot and still in the same ballpark is a bit strange.

And please before you bash this… I'm completely aware of the old arguments why this NEEDED to happen.

But after seeing Law I have serious doubts

Well if we take Kid as an example, then we can understand the need for the 2 years training. After these 2 years Kid's bounty is still under 500m, add to that that he and his crew got messed up, and he was still considered a brat by Tamago. So, in terms of progress, he didn't do that much.
Now let's put the Strawhats in their position. Yes, they will survive, but how much progress do we expect from them? (Personally I don't think they would be able to pass the first three islands in a day or a week like they used to.)

My point is that the 2 years were essential for the story to move in the normal pattern we are used to (Enter, look around, fight bad guy, win, leave.). I think that is one of the reasons for the training.

Also something that came to mind when I first read the chapter about the alliance of Kid, Appo and Basil. I couldn't help but see the huge difference between this meeting and the WB and Shanks meeting. The whole WG were on their toes when they heard about a possible contact between 2 Yonkous, I think they even tried to stop it from happening. While here not 2 but 3 Supernovas meet and nobody gives a shit. I feel like these two incidents could gives an idea about just how small these names are compared to those legends.

DARK_RITUAL

Lol if they are 5 emperors it won't be balanced- when Law vs Kidd vs Blackbeard vs Luffy are fighting the 5th one Buggy-sama will use that opportunity to sneak pass all the 4 fighting or he will attack the emperor he has a grudge on(Blackbeard and Luffy are fighting then Buggy attacks Luffy as well cuz of a grudge= Luffy loses).

SAMURAI FLEX

@1PceXperience:

Well… what else are they suppose to do? When the alliances beat the first Yonkou, the SN will be faced with disbanding the alliances (as you've said) and challenge each other for the open spot. It doesn't matter if they had to combine their forces to take down a Yonkou, becoming one IS the next step.

I don't think the SN are gonna show anymore patience with waiting to become stronger before they claim the seat. Once it's open, they're all going for it!

Even if they challenge each other would be pointless because once they try and take that spot they wouldn't be able to maintain it. They lack power that they have from the other Supernovas. The Supernovas have too much ego to work together long term.

@Triceron:

You realize that's exactly how Blackbeard became Yonkou right? He cherry picked his way to the top.

He took over WBs territory, not defeating the WB pirates. It still hasn't shown how exactly he "became" one. He already had knowledge of the territory so that gave him an automatic advantage.

Jules197

@KiShiDo:

Seriously now after we have seen the feats of Law or seeing Kidd and Co challening a Yonkou right now… Why compared to them the SHs needed a 2 years training arc? Rayleigh mentioned to Luffy that it is needed cuz he has seen what happened in SA... Yeah it happened but the others were able to progress on a similar scale as well and overall people suggest that pre TS the SHs were the strongest overall crew after all

Yeah Luffy for example learned haki, which once was said to be hard to learn... Law proved he learned it without mentor and being able to beat a haki specialist as Vergo in Coa... and so on

So for what?

To power up? Law proved to have powered up in high scales as well and no one seriously doubts he is still in one ballpark as Luffy... Same for Kidd

To power up the others? Well as it seems Kidd's crew for example is pretty intact as well?

Cuz the SHs were only chased by high rankings opponents? Well maybe BUT as we have learned now Law gives a damn challenging a Yonkou or even DoFla just now. OK Akainu maybe sees in Luffy a bigger threat but still it is somehow strange that all others could easily enter the NW and power up as well without having trouble with any of them

Seeing the current arc the only logical consequence so far is that Oda wanted to have a style change for the SHs and skip the "we will improve arc" and enter the NW as powerful pirates that can challenge high ranking pirates/marines.

But seeing that people like Zoro for plot relevance had trained under Mihawk while people like Kidd just entered the NW right on the spot and still in the same ballpark is a bit strange.

And please before you bash this… I'm completely aware of the old arguments why this NEEDED to happen.

But after seeing Law I have serious doubts

I understand your point, but I disagree with you.

In order to understand why the 2 year training was needed, it's easier to think "What would have happened if the Straw Hats hadn't trained?" And then think about the consequences.

I'm pretty sure that guys like Luffy, Zoro or Sanji could have survived had they entered the New World straight away. But what about Nami, Chopper or Usopp? I don't think the same could be said about them. You compared Luffy to Kid and Law, so I'll do the same: what happened to Law's crew? Did they survive? We have no idea. And what about Kid's crew? If their captain is so full of scars and missing an arm, what happened to the weaker ones? I'm pretty sure some of them didn't make it, and that is something that absolutely could not happen to the Straw Hats. Also, who said that Law didn't have a mentor? He used to be part of Doflamingo's crew - yeah, the guy who doesn't like weak crew mates. I'm pretty sure it is safe to assume he learned about haki with them and that he already knew about it before the time skip.

Plus, there was another reason why Law and Kid could improve without training while the Straw Hats couldn't, and that is the plot.

The truth is, the plot hinders the Straw Hats' progress. Because they are the main focus of the story, they actually know only as much as we do, as readers, and they learn about stuff more or less at the same time that we do as well. For example, Luffy didn't know about haki because we didn't know about haki. Thus, he couldn't improve on that aspect until haki was explained to him, or in other words, when it was explained to us.

desa

@nodensuke:

There doesn't have to be only four, that's just how many there are at the moment. We don't know how long they've actually held that title, and it was never stated that there could only be four at a time.In the past or future there may be more or less.

IT HAS TO. Only one seat was valid at the death of Whitebeard jusk like only one seet was free when Croc was arrested. The only one of the three power who didn't had fix member is the admirals

Vinov

@KiShiDo:

Seriously now after we have seen the feats of Law or seeing Kidd and Co challening a Yonkou right now… Why compared to them the SHs needed a 2 years training arc? Rayleigh mentioned to Luffy that it is needed cuz he has seen what happened in SA... Yeah it happened but the others were able to progress on a similar scale as well and overall people suggest that pre TS the SHs were the strongest overall crew after all

Yeah Luffy for example learned haki, which once was said to be hard to learn... Law proved he learned it without mentor and being able to beat a haki specialist as Vergo in Coa... and so on

So for what?

To power up? Law proved to have powered up in high scales as well and no one seriously doubts he is still in one ballpark as Luffy... Same for Kidd

To power up the others? Well as it seems Kidd's crew for example is pretty intact as well?

Cuz the SHs were only chased by high rankings opponents? Well maybe BUT as we have learned now Law gives a damn challenging a Yonkou or even DoFla just now. OK Akainu maybe sees in Luffy a bigger threat but still it is somehow strange that all others could easily enter the NW and power up as well without having trouble with any of them

Seeing the current arc the only logical consequence so far is that Oda wanted to have a style change for the SHs and skip the "we will improve arc" and enter the NW as powerful pirates that can challenge high ranking pirates/marines.

But seeing that people like Zoro for plot relevance had trained under Mihawk while people like Kidd just entered the NW right on the spot and still in the same ballpark is a bit strange.

And please before you bash this… I'm completely aware of the old arguments why this NEEDED to happen.

But after seeing Law I have serious doubts

the only logical reason for that would be sexism, since most of the supernovas crews didnt have any female characters that would slow down the crew unlike the strawhats, beside if they didnt train for two years nami wouldnt be able to navigate the new world properly and she will end up killing the crew.

pereira

I actually disagree , after the time skip nami and usoop are still the weakest i think that the power diference between them and the big 3 increased also its cleraed that the villains have increased in power like 100 fold so the time skip feels that served for nothing.

Smiley

@Vinov:

the only logical reason for that would be sexism, since most of the supernovas crews didnt have any female characters that would slow down the crew unlike the strawhats, beside if they didnt train for two years nami wouldnt be able to navigate the new world properly and she will end up killing the crew.

I'm geting realy tired about this.

desa

@pereira:

I actually disagree , after the time skip nami and usoop are still the weakest i think that the power diference between them and the big 3 increased also its cleraed that the villains have increased in power like 100 fold so the time skip feels that served for nothing.

Being the weakest doesn't mean being weak. For the big 3 up to this point their only problem was their relax and carefree attitude. But it's true that Sanji seems to have already find stronger than.

NER

@Vinov:

the only logical reason for that would be sexism, since most of the supernovas crews didnt have any female characters that would slow down the crew unlike the strawhats, beside if they didnt train for two years nami wouldnt be able to navigate the new world properly and she will end up killing the crew.

16 characters of No.

MiyamotoMusashi

@Smiley:

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3022/idontwanttoliveonthispl.gif
I'm geting realy tired about this.

Although i think Vinov was sarcastic (or at least i hope so), it is quite sad the people who always jump to sexism as conclusion are, by definition, sexist themselves.

TheCrystalShip

@Vinov:

the only logical reason for that would be sexism, since most of the supernovas crews didnt have any female characters that would slow down the crew unlike the strawhats, beside if they didnt train for two years nami wouldnt be able to navigate the new world properly and she will end up killing the crew.

I hate sexism in manga as much as the next person, but this doesn't even make sense…

Were you being satirical?

Vinov

@TheCrystalShip:

I hate sexism in manga as much as the next person, but this doesn't even make sense…

Were you being satirical?

yea i was being sarcastic since the luffy,law and kidd feats and improvement during and after the time skip that kishido pointed out has nothing to do with sexism.

Smiley

@Vinov:

yea i was being sarcastic since the luffy,law and kidd feats and improvement during and after the time skip that kishido pointed out has nothing to do with sexism.

Then sorry about that.
Detecting sarcasm is not a strong point of mine.

zachri

Wonder when we'll see more from the alliance trio…?

By the way...
This thread needs more Kidd.
After all...
Kidd is the best Supernova!

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Demonicpoodle

@zachri:

Wonder when we'll see more from the alliance trio…?

By the way...
This thread needs more Kidd.
After all...
Kidd is the best Supernova!

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I really can't wait to see more of Apoo and Kidd's clashing interactions together. :3 :3 I'm glad you saw the light with Kidd, zachri. :3 Though, I'm sure they're just tsundere for each other and their clashing interactions occur more than just in dialogue… :3 Dohohoho. :3 :3

1PceXperience

Am I the only one who is excited to see Capone?

zachri

@1PceXperience:

Am I the only one who is excited to see Capone?

He's become a planet, so I can imagine there being adventures on him.
They'll go in Team Fortress style.
Aww yiss.
And then there will be Apoo, Hawkins and Kidd.
Especially Kidd.
For Kidd is the best Supernova!

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Leon

Luffy-Pirate King
Law -Whitebeard?
Kidd -Shiki?

MiyamotoMusashi

Zachri demands, we have to obey, one of the best quotes of the entire manga:

!

and Law plays with Marco

!

@Leon: Personally, i do not think that Law and Kidd will be able to keep up with Luffy to the end, nor do i think that the system of the Yonkou will be preserved through the chaos of the New Era.

zachri

@MiyamotoMusashi:

Zachri demands, we have to obey, one of the best quotes of the entire manga:

! http://2.p.s.mfcdn.net/store/manga/106/51-500.0/compressed/15.jpg

and Law plays with Marco

! https://dl.dropbox.com/u/18128396/MarcoLaw.jpg

@Leon: Personally, i do not think that Law and Kidd will be able to keep up with Luffy to the end, nor do i think that the system of the Yonkou will be preserved through the chaos of the New Era.

~~Let me love you~~

Yesssss… excellent...
This please me greatly...
Hgn.
Can't get enough Law.
Or Kidd.
Especially Kidd ~~bullshit~~
Kidd is the best Supernova!

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Schuechterling

I think 4 yonkous makes perfectly sense. If 2 would team up, the others are just forced to do the same, so we would have a balance.
If there would be 5 an alliance could take the control of the whole new world. If their powers are equal.

And why big Ma:
For Kidd, Apoo… to fight the yonkous is also clear, there is no territory which is not owned by a yonkou.
So where ever they are, they life in enemy territory and are in danger. They want their own territory.

For Law, I guess he wants to break up the alliance between donfla and BM. (I expect BM to have used the SMILE on her crew)

For Luffy it's fishman island.

She has to go ;)

1PceXperience

@Schuechterling:

I think 4 yonkous makes perfectly sense. If 2 would team up, the others are just forced to do the same, so we would have a balance.
If there would be 5 an alliance could take the control of the whole new world. If their powers are equal.

And why big Ma:
For Kidd, Apoo… to fight the yonkous is also clear, there is no territory which is not owned by a yonkou. So where ever they are, they life in enemy territory and are in danger. They want their own territory.

For Law, I guess he wants to break up the alliance between donfla and BM. (I expect BM to have used the SMILE on her crew)

For Luffy it's fishman island.

She has to go ;)

What about Wano Country?

MiyamotoMusashi

@1PceXperience:

What about Wano Country?

Honestly, we do not know yet. Brook mentioned that it is autonomous but it could have changed over the 2 years or the autonomy could have only referred to the WG.

SAMURAI FLEX

Brook specifically said just the Samurai alone are "Strong" both WG and Marines don't go there for a good reason. The place doesn't have any Yonkou influence either and if it did it would be on the news, since news spreads around fast around OP world.

1PceXperience

@Formation:

Brook specifically said just the Samurai alone are "Strong" both WG and Marines don't go there for a good reason. The place doesn't have any Yonkou influence either and if it did it would be on the news, since news spreads around fast around OP world.

AGREE!!! (Well at least with the Yonkou don't have any influence portion.)It's obvious that Wano Country is very Xenophobic and probably won't tolerate influences from outside cultures. I think they'd rather die in honor then be forced into following an outsider's ideals.

MiyamotoMusashi

@1PceXperience:

AGREE!!! (Well at least with the Yonkou don't have any influence portion.)It's obvious that Wano Country is very Xenophobic and probably won't tolerate influences from outside cultures. I think they'd rather die in honor then be forced into following an outsider's ideals.

If Oda does take Japan in the past as model, most of the citizens would not be too proud against an overwhelming force like one of the Emperor, they would pretty much surrender to keep their lives. On the other hand, if all are similar to Kinemon (not only superficially of course), then what you said could be true.

pereira

kidd and law are fatre one piece so they cant be yonkou i do think thta the system will change and there will be no yonkous or those 3 wont be ones, i think the alliance isnt finisnhed i think anothe rbig shot will join them to have something to gain.

1PceXperience

@pereira:

kidd and law are fatre one piece so they cant be yonkou i do think thta the system will change and there will be no yonkous or those 3 wont be ones, i think the alliance isnt finisnhed i think anothe rbig shot will join them to have something to gain.

I'm assuming you meant to say after. Whitebeard is an exception, but I'm pretty sure that all the current Yonkous are after One Piece. (We know Blackbeard is). Being Yonkou is probably a natural progression towards moving closer to the goal of pirate king.

AzzangWhere'stheTANG!!!

DARK_RITUAL

@1PceXperience:

I'm assuming you meant to say after. Whitebeard is an exception, but I'm pretty sure that all the current Yonkous are after One Piece. (We know Blackbeard is). Being Yonkou is probably a natural progression towards moving closer to the goal of pirate king.

AzzangWhere'stheTANG!!!

And I'm pretty sure Shanks is not after One Piece.

–- Update From New Post Merge ---

I think Capones DF is dangerous, I mean both living and non-living things can shrink into his body, and we know there is a personal space or room were all the things from inside his body reaches then gets to normal size, so what if he can shrink anything that enters that his personal space/room? Luffy gomu gomu pistol the tip of his hand shrinks and hits Capone like a baby hitting a pillow, any attack that enters his room shrinks. Lol He can transfer Law, Luffy, Kidd, Shanks, Big mom, Marco, into marine ford or impel down with no one knowing,
Capone enters into marine headquarters when the shichibukia and Akainu are doing meeting, he laughs saying I outnumber you guys- then Shanks, Ben, Yassop, Luffy, big mom, Blackbeard etc all pops out and takes over marine headquarters easily.

1PceXperience

@DARK_RITUAL:

And I'm pretty sure Shanks is not after One Piece.

I disagree. Shanks is probably trying to succeed after his former captain, Gol D Roger.

xawds025

what if the supernovas (kid, apoo, hawkins) form a crew not just an alliance seeing that they lost all their crews after two years(assuming) after defeating one of the yonkou? like whitebeard w/ divisions? i dont know laws motivations other than stopping the production of sad and to take down dofla thats why he wants to take down an emperor but law might just form an alliance before to kid too and kid and killer are now trying to convince the rest to join up? that way after they claim the position they can match(well, maybe not) the 3 yonkous?

1PceXperience

@xawds025:

what if the supernovas (kid, apoo, hawkins) form a crew not just an alliance seeing that they lost all their crews after two years(assuming) after defeating one of the yonkou? like whitebeard w/ divisions? i dont know laws motivations other than stopping the production of sad and to take down dofla thats why he wants to take down an emperor but law might just form an alliance before to kid too and kid and killer are now trying to convince the rest to join up? that way after they claim the position they can match(well, maybe not) the 3 yonkous?

Oh my…. that is a big assumption. I'm usually open to theories, but I just can't find this one plausible. Both Kidd and Apoo have been shown to be high strung and stubborn individuals that I could never imagine any of them establishing any sort of partnership past an alliance.

AlucarDraculA

@1PceXperience:

I disagree. Shanks is probably trying to succeed after his former captain, Gol D Roger.

This would be plausible but it is clear (from Roger talking to WB) that there is some kind of trick or special way to get to Raftel. Shanks a former member of Roger's crew would know that trick and would be free to snatch it up, if he wanted to.
And if he wished to succeed Roger as Pirate King why would he pass the embodiment of Roger's will to Luffy?

1PceXperience

@AlucarDraculA:

This would be plausible but it is clear (from Roger talking to WB) that there is some kind of trick or special way to get to Raftel. Shanks a former member of Roger's crew would know that trick and would be free to snatch it up, if he wanted to.
And if he wished to succeed Roger as Pirate King why would he pass the embodiment of Roger's will to Luffy?

I wonder what Matt Damon would say…

Yes, that is indeed a good question. Maybe Shanks is just after the One Piece, but does not want to become Pirate King. Then again... can one find the One Piece without being obligated to be PK?

GolD. Ace

@1PceXperience:

I wonder what Matt Damon would say…

Yes, that is indeed a good question. Maybe Shanks is just after the One Piece, but does not want to become Pirate King. Then again... can one find the One Piece without being obligated to be PK?

Yes, I would think so. Roger was considered to be the Pirate King long before people ever knew One Piece existed, he only revealed one piece in his dying breath before execution. It seems to me that the only way for people to earn the title of PIRATE KING is to be seen sailing down the other side of Reverse Mountain.
=D

MiyamotoMusashi

@GolD.:

Yes, I would think so. Roger was considered to be the Pirate King long before people ever knew One Piece existed, he only revealed one piece in his dying breath before execution. It seems to me that the only way for people to earn the title of PIRATE KING is to be seen sailing down the other side of Reverse Mountain.
=D

What, how do you know that? What we know so far is that the WG gave Roger the title of PK because he is the only one who actually sailed through all of the GL, including Raftel. In addition, Roger seemed to have been rumored to have an incredible treasure in his lifetime to which he said before his execution "Go find it, it is all left in that place". So, the next Pirate King has to achieve what only Roger achieved, namely reaching Raftel.

GolD. Ace

@MiyamotoMusashi:

What, how do you know that? What we know so far is that the WG gave Roger the title of PK because he is the only one who actually sailed through all of the GL, including Raftel. In addition, Roger seemed to have been rumored to have an incredible treasure in his lifetime to which he said before his execution "Go find it, it is all left in that place". So, the next Pirate King has to achieve what only Roger achieved, namely reaching Raftel.

This is pretty much exactly what I was saying, so how your asking me how I know it baffles me. And reaching Raftel won't serve as proof because no one will know that you did it. The only way for anyone to realize that you've reached Raftel and that you have One Piece is to sail down the other side of Reverse Mountain.
=D

1PceXperience

@GolD.:

This is pretty much exactly what I was saying, so how your asking me how I know it baffles me. And reaching Raftel won't serve as proof because no one will know that you did it. The only way for anyone to realize that you've reached Raftel and that you have One Piece is to sail down the other side of Reverse Mountain.
=D

I (strawberries) have an issue with this. Why do people always conclude that there a "one pirate crew" admittance fee to enter into Raftel? Just because it's hidden doesn't mean that multiple parties cannot enter into it at once. Also, WB has stated that when One Piece is discovered it WILL cause a world war! So apparently when one does reach Raftel, the WORLD will be notified.

Matt Damon could play Marco in a live action.

MiyamotoMusashi

@GolD.:

This is pretty much exactly what I was saying, so how your asking me how I know it baffles me. And reaching Raftel won't serve as proof because no one will know that you did it. The only way for anyone to realize that you've reached Raftel and that you have One Piece is to sail down the other side of Reverse Mountain.
=D

This is something we absolutely do not know about, it is just a conjecture at this point. Who knows how they knew about Roger reaching Raftel, he is notsomeone who would spout it out everywhere (similar to Luffy). And my post is not the same, especially this part "Roger was considered to be the Pirate King long before people ever knew One Piece existed, he only revealed one piece in his dying breath before execution". OP was his treasure apparently everybody knew of and the only thing he said is "that place".

sephbot

@1PceXperience:

I disagree. Shanks is probably trying to succeed after his former captain, Gol D Roger.

Shanks has already gone on the adventure to conquer the GL and reach Raftel, and he doesn't seem like the sort to want to go on the same adventure twice. I get the impression he sees ushering in and molding the new era of pirates as his big adventure/legacy, like what in his response to WB about what happened to his arm.

I get the impression he'd view going after OP as pretty similar to Luffy's response when Usopp asked Rayleigh if OP even existed.

GolD. Ace

@1PceXperience:

I (strawberries) have an issue with this. Why do people always conclude that there a "one pirate crew" admittance fee to enter into Raftel? Just because it's hidden doesn't mean that multiple parties cannot enter into it at once. Also, WB has stated that when One Piece is discovered it WILL cause a world war! So apparently when one does reach Raftel, the WORLD will be notified.

Matt Damon could play Marco in a live action.

No they won't. Your just assuming that, I'm sure that stepping onto Raftel won't set off an alarm system that reaches across the world. We don't even know if One Piece is on Raftel to begin with, this is just our assumption. Reaching One Piece most likely means discovering the secrets of the Void Century that Rayliegh knew from the Poneglyphs, and likely acquiring the Ancient Weapon that Roger had.

@MiyamotoMusashi:

This is something we absolutely do not know about, it is just a conjecture at this point. Who knows how they knew about Roger reaching Raftel, he is notsomeone who would spout it out everywhere (similar to Luffy). And my post is not the same, especially this part "Roger was considered to be the Pirate King long before people ever knew One Piece existed, he only revealed one piece in his dying breath before execution". OP was his treasure apparently everybody knew of and the only thing he said is "that place".

Roger was said to have conquered the entire Grand Line, only Crocus told us that he reached Raftel. And if he sailed the entire Grand Line then he had to of come down the other side of Reverse Mountain, it's likely that this is the specific feat that earned him his title of Pirate King from the sounds of things.

And One Piece was the treasure that Roger left behind after his death, by telling everyone that he'd left it behind it gave them inspiration to find it themselves and discover what it was, that the Pirate King had. We don't know of anyone actually knowing about what One Piece is for sure, so we can't say that anyone knew about it.

Well WhiteBeard seemed to know about One Piece, but it's likely he's the only one that did, since even Crocus said that he didn't know where it was. It's likely that Roger hid this treasure after the crew disbanded to ensure that it wouldn't be found too soon and other reasons unknown.
=D

TheCrystalShip

@GolD.:

Reaching One Piece most likely means discovering the secrets of the Void Century that Rayliegh knew from the Poneglyphs, and likely acquiring the Ancient Weapon that Roger had.

Sorry to interrupt your fencing match, but when was it stated that Roger had possession of an Ancient Weapon?

MiyamotoMusashi

@GolD.:

No they won't. Your just assuming that, I'm sure that stepping onto Raftel won't set off an alarm system that reaches across the world. We don't even know if One Piece is on Raftel to begin with, this is just our assumption. Reaching One Piece most likely means discovering the secrets of the Void Century that Rayliegh knew from the Poneglyphs, and likely acquiring the Ancient Weapon that Roger had.

Roger was said to have conquered the entire Grand Line, only Crocus told us that he reached Raftel. And if he sailed the entire Grand Line then he had to of come down the other side of Reverse Mountain, it's likely that this is the specific feat that earned him his title of Pirate King from the sounds of things.

And One Piece was the treasure that Roger left behind after his death, by telling everyone that he'd left it behind it gave them inspiration to find it themselves and discover what it was, that the Pirate King had. We don't know of anyone actually knowing about what One Piece is for sure, so we can't say that anyone knew about it.

Well WhiteBeard seemed to know about One Piece, but it's likely he's the only one that did, since even Crocus said that he didn't know where it was. It's likely that Roger hid this treasure after the crew disbanded to ensure that it wouldn't be found too soon and other reasons unknown.
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First off, if we look at the map of the OP world, even if Roger would have come down the other side of the Reverse Mountain, like you say, it would not prove him being on Raftel or the last island of the Grand Line at all, he also could have left the GL through the Calm Belt and reentered the Grand Line through the North Blue for example. In addition, by saying that Roger "had conquered the Grand Line", it is implied that he reached the last island, even if someone does not know its name. So, for the WG to acknowledge that a pirate did what they could not do, namely reaching the last island of the GL, they would have had to have proof of it which "coming down the Reverse Mountain" is not, like i said above. How they knew about it is a matter of the future.
Second, Roger was called Pirate King by the WG and thus also by every citizen. Pirates in the OP world, just like in our world, are rumored to be materialistic and go after treasures and money in general which in most cases, is true. So, for most people OP equals a huge amount of money. I am not saying that they know what One Piece really is, i am saying that they knew that One Piece exists before Roger´s final words because for them, One Piece equals a huge amount of treasures in a traditional sense and since Roger was the Pirate King, his treasure should also be the largest.

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@Crystal: It was never mentioned, it is his assumption