We've been long overdue for a fox.
One Piece 703: Waiting Room
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I'm super late to actually commenting but this thread so far has been PURE GOLD.
Officially want to nominate it as Most Entertaining Off-Topic Debate EVER.
Zephos vs that nationalistic zealous Ottoman-loving lost-teleportation-device-in-Jerusalem-where-prophets-wear-cardigans dude is just one of the many gems this has to offer. Sprinkled with Sanji-is-a-douche-and will/won't ever get the Mera Mera, some debates about misogyny, and the occasional random comment that makes you laugh out loud (e.g. "P.S. I dreamt of Coby last night" and too many others for me to remember) make this the best read-through while procrastinating…. EVER!
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH.
Also I believe too that the dude mentioned above is a mod preparing for April Fool's... I just can't believe he's real. Which also means, hat off to your dedication, good Sir. And I wonder if Zephos knows about that, coz if not, damn, that was some serious trolling. If however he IS for real - I'm outta here.
Off-topic: great chapter this week.
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We've been long overdue for a fox.
Oda missed a golden opportunity by not having Fake-Chopper join the Straw Hat crew for real.
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i want another female to join the crew as well but i dont want her to be a typical beautiful, skinny, big boobed women like nami or robin. i also want her to be rather brainless like luffy,brook, chopper or usopp during their free, non-battle time. we have enough smart, kind, sexy kind of woman in the crew (and in the manga in general). a woman like lola from thriller bark (but with more funny and unique personality) would be great.
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Shanks doesn't have any girls in his crew, and neither did Roger as far as I know. I don't get why people think the next SH crew member NEEDS to be a girl.
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Shanks doesn't have any girls in his crew, and neither did Roger as far as I know. I don't get why people think the next SH crew member NEEDS to be a girl.
16 chars of Demographics.
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Best.Thread.Ever.
On topic so that I won't be reported :
This is probably how their total domination of Dressrosa begins, as they'll luckily wind up hitting it from all angles.
I never thought of it that way. This is totally plausible.
But I think SH will need help from insiders if they are to successfully conquer Dressrosa. I don't know who but maybe related to the one-legged toy (and maybe his other criminal friends).And after this arc finishes I hope SH bounties will increase dramatically.
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Shanks doesn't have any girls in his crew, and neither did Roger as far as I know. I don't get why people think the next SH crew member NEEDS to be a girl.
16 chars of "Machismo".
Times changes man, let some chicks get in to the SH crew. Just see Doflamingo crew, he has a lot of "Babys" for nakama.
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Why would it be? Is it so hard to believe that he's using rokushiki? Nothing suggests Lucci knew haki.
Why rokushiki cant utilize haki in higher levels of mastery hm? Or combine superhuman techniques with haki? It was said that haki is mostly awakened thanks to very long training so why Lucci who trained since he was little kid and was said to be strongest CP9 member in history of CP9 should not have it hm? He was acknowledged by Kuma and Vice Admirals and there were some random people on Kuja island with haki, why you think that nothing points for him having it? I have answer- ignorance and narrow thinking.
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Why rokushiki cant utilize haki in higher levels of mastery hm? Or combine superhuman techniques with haki? It was said that haki is mostly awakened thanks to very long training so why Lucci who trained since he was little kid and was said to be strongest CP9 member in history of CP9 should not have it hm? He was acknowledged by Kuma and Vice Admirals and there were some random people on Kuja island with haki, why you think that nothing points for him having it? I have answer- ignorance and narrow thinking.
He probably has Haki NOW, but he never showed signs of it back then. Mostly because Haki is a massive retcon.
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He probably has Haki NOW, but he never showed signs of it back then. Mostly because Haki is a massive retcon.
Finally someone said it.
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He probably has Haki NOW, but he never showed signs of it back then. Mostly because Haki is a massive retcon.
He seemed to be doing damage to Luffy just fine, with or without Haki back then. Though this guy is trying to say that one Rokushiki technique is CoO. I forget it's name, something about paper in the wind? But i'm pretty sure it was explained as just being like instinctual (I could be remembering very wrong though) 'Sides why would they give it a new name if it was just CoO? There was Mantra back with Eneru, but the marine's all know and recognize Haki as such. Course this guy also thinks Lucci could beat X-Drake, soooo
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I would be really dissapointed from Oda in EOS Coby > EOS Usopp , i just cant accept that coward Coby being superior to our coward Usopp . Lol people even said idiotic things like Coby being admiral lvl after time skip , i mean even Luffy is hardly there after he trained with a legend so there is no way Coby who was nothing at the beginning of the series can grow that much . Even before time skip Usopp>>>Coby since he fought luffy really well with all his injuries while coby just got one shotted , i dont really understand why everyone is sucking coby that much , i mean whats so good about this character ?
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He seemed to be doing damage to Luffy just fine, with or without Haki back then. Though this guy is trying to say that one Rokushiki technique is CoO. I forget it's name, something about paper in the wind? But i'm pretty sure it was explained as just being like instinctual (I could be remembering very wrong though) 'Sides why would they give it a new name if it was just CoO? There was Mantra back with Eneru, but the marine's all know and recognize Haki as such. Course this guy also thinks Lucci could beat X-Drake, soooo
Kami-e? That was similar to CoO, but I feel like all of these martial arts are bound to be similar to one another. Tekkai was kind of like CoA hardening. Rokuogan was kind of like Impact Dials and the form of CoA that Sentomaru was using. But it's not Haki, it's just a similar martial art, like Fishman Karate.
And no, Lucci is not strong enough to defeat X. Drake.
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Kami-e? That was similar to CoO, but I feel like all of these martial arts are bound to be similar to one another. Tekkai was kind of like CoA hardening. Rokuogan was kind of like Impact Dials and the form of CoA that Sentomaru was using. But it's not Haki, it's just a similar martial art, like Fishman Karate.
And no, Lucci is not strong enough to defeat X. Drake.
Why are you so sure?
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Why rokushiki cant utilize haki in higher levels of mastery hm? Or combine superhuman techniques with haki? It was said that haki is mostly awakened thanks to very long training so why Lucci who trained since he was little kid and was said to be strongest CP9 member in history of CP9 should not have it hm? He was acknowledged by Kuma and Vice Admirals and there were some random people on Kuja island with haki, why you think that nothing points for him having it? I have answer- ignorance and narrow thinking.
Kami-e is a rokushiki technique. Lucci has mastered rokushiki. Lucci uses a technique that looks like kami-e.
The conclusion? "Lucci has HAKIII!!!!"
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Mostly because Haki is a massive retcon.
I'm not sure that's a fair accusation to make.
I'm not trying to claim that Haki is something Oda had planned from the very beginning – that when he wrote Shanks scaring off the Sea King in the very first chapter, or introduced Mantra in Skypiea, that he was thinking how he couldn't wait to reveal what these powers really were some time down the line -- but I don't feel that's the same as introducing it a retcon. Perhaps I simply haven't thought it through enough, but I don't believe I've ever seen any way brought up in which Haki contradicts anything that was already established.
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Kami-e? That was similar to CoO, but I feel like all of these martial arts are bound to be similar to one another. Tekkai was kind of like CoA hardening. Rokuogan was kind of like Impact Dials and the form of CoA that Sentomaru was using. But it's not Haki, it's just a similar martial art, like Fishman Karate.
And no, Lucci is not strong enough to defeat X. Drake.
Oh, thanks yeah that's the one. ^^ Aye, there's similarities between 'em, but like Jackermeister pointed out earlier it was probably more akin to Luffy's Gomu Gomu no Baka thing…just better. Tekkai was also similar, but that one was even more obviously a result to training rather than Haki, since it was more apparent they were using their muscles, or something. Meh, Haki's very similar to Rokushiki, even in relation to the story. Before CP9 nothing about Rokushiki was shown with the Marines, afterwards all the higher ranks seemed to use it. Which is sorta the feeling I got after Haki was introduced.
And needless to say, I agree. -w-
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Why are you so sure?
Because X. Drake is the biggest name among "rookies" right now, along with Kidd. Either he's serving under Kaido in a position similar to Ace's, or he's become strong enough to challenge Kaido at every turn. Unless Lucci has had an even more substantial power-up since the TS, he probably couldn't beat Drake.
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He probably has Haki NOW, but he never showed signs of it back then. Mostly because Haki is a massive retcon.
How is Haki a retcon? It doesn't contradict any previously established information.
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Because X. Drake is the biggest name among "rookies" right now, along with Kidd. Either he's serving under Kaido in a position similar to Ace's, or he's become strong enough to challenge Kaido at every turn. Unless Lucci has had an even more substantial power-up since the TS, he probably couldn't beat Drake.
I was actually talking about pre-TS
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Because X. Drake is the biggest name among "rookies" right now, along with Kidd. Either he's serving under Kaido in a position similar to Ace's, or he's become strong enough to challenge Kaido at every turn. Unless Lucci has had an even more substantial power-up since the TS, he probably couldn't beat Drake.
Also,Lucci's a leopard,while X Drake is a TYRANNOSAURUS.
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How is Haki a retcon? It doesn't contradict any previously established information.
Not really Haki itself but the fact that characters like Lucci, Moria, Crocodile could not use it while Tashigi seems to have developed it without any special training, just like Law for example
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@Panda:
Perhaps I simply haven't thought it through enough, but I don't believe I've ever seen any way brought up in which Haki contradicts anything that was already established.
How is Haki a retcon? It doesn't contradict any previously established information.
I guess it doesn't fit the technical qualifications of a retcon…
But it wasn't even mentioned, other than a cryptic statement by Blackbeard. Now, everyone and their mom has Haki, and it's nearly as common as DFs in the New World. Just a bit strange to me.
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Well, for the pirates not knowing Haki, a reasonable explanation would be that it's easier to learn a technique if someone shows/teaches you how to do it than to learn it on your own
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How is Haki a retcon? It doesn't contradict any previously established information.
Just take Blackbeard vs Ace for starters.
He basically insinuated that Ace hadn't been "hit" ina while.
I found that kinda weird since he's been in the New World for a few years and we're led to believe the elites of the NW use haki exclusively.
Then there's the whole question of if Ace could use BH himself and why he never used it.
"The Night Is Dark And Full Of Terror"
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Kami-e is a rokushiki technique. Lucci has mastered rokushiki. Lucci uses a technique that looks like kami-e.
The conclusion? "Lucci has HAKIII!!!!"
Well if you want to dumb me down then find better way than just simplyfing my posts. Im just keeping my mind open for possibilites and for that Oda has planned lots of things years before they were shown in manga. Its hard to believe that someone who was so hyped up as Lucci, who was combat monster before time skip and have Luffy his hardest to date one on one battle, trained since kid as it was said that haki is awakened through long training, showed techniques similar to haki usage did not had it.
I wouldnt say that Rokushiki is so different from haki utilization as for example fishman karate and rokushiki. I can think my own ideas, I can have my point of view but you seem to force me to think as you do and sjut my mind to ideas out of box or not fully confirmed. For me what I wrote its logical and only time will tell how far from truth I was, if you are not ok with it then please not dumb down my points to generic haki talk.
And Lucci was strong enough pre-time skip to beat Drake X to bloody pulp IMO. -
I guess it doesn't fit the technical qualifications of a retcon…
But it wasn't even mentioned, other than a cryptic statement by Blackbeard. Now, everyone and their mom has Haki, and it's nearly as common as DFs in the New World. Just a bit strange to me.
The first chapter even had Haki, labeled or no. With the way Shanks just scared away the sea monster.
I think Oda's always had the basics of Haki down, it's his way of turning confident ambitious attitudes into a force like power. -
Also,Lucci's a leopard,while X Drake is a TYRANNOSAURUS.
Wow I have nothing to say to such strong argumentation
Bigger he is bigger target he becomes for someone who can blitz him even in base-human form. One of Luffys best feats before time skip was how fast he was getting while using gear second, Drake was shown to be tank-like character in zoan form, big yet deadly dinosaur. In base form he seemed to be sligtly stronger than Killer from kids crew as he efortlessly blocked him and Uroque in same time- but a match for Lucci? nah..
X Drake could have had even Godzilla zoan back then
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Isn't Rokushiki a pure physical thing (training the body to superhuman levels etc), while Haki is more a willpower thing, or was the will part only for conquerors haki?
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Wow I have nothing to say to such strong argumentation
Bigger he is bigger target he becomes for someone who can blitz him even in base-human form. One of Luffys best feats before time skip was how fast he was getting while using gear second, Drake was shown to be tank-like character in zoan form, big yet deadly dinosaur. In base form he seemed to be sligtly stronger than Killer from kids crew as he efortlessly blocked him and Uroque in same time- but a match for Lucci? nah..You sure missed the tone of my post by half a mile.
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Isn't Rokushiki a pure physical thing (training the body to superhuman levels etc), while Haki is more a willpower thing, or was the will part only for conquerors haki?
Haki was kind of manifestation of persons will with force/ power of sorts that separated into 3 categories. Here is what silvers said before time skip about it
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I guess it doesn't fit the technical qualifications of a retcon…
But it wasn't even mentioned, other than a cryptic statement by Blackbeard. Now, everyone and their mom has Haki, and it's nearly as common as DFs in the New World. Just a bit strange to me.
It's interesting that you make the comparison to DFs, actually, because I find it to be a very similar case.
Way back when the series was still in East Blue, Devil Fruits were supposedly this incredibly rare thing, and a huge deal was made out of anyone having one. Then, once the series got into the Grand Line, it seemed like pretty much every person the crew came across had one. I remember people at some points observing that this seemed a little strange, but really, it makes perfect sense. First of all, it simply stood to reason that Devil Fruits would be more common in the Grand Line, and secondly, because we weren't exactly getting a random sample of the One Piece population; the people that the Straw Hats were facing were by and large important members of strong organizations, or otherwise infamous in their own right.
I think the same can be said of Haki. I'm fairly certain it was at the very least implied that it's not something incredibly common – the Kuja pirates were noted for all being able to use it, after all -- so it makes sense that it didn't show up particularly often pre-Time Skip. Likewise, though, it makes sense that it's suddenly seemingly everywhere in the current story; that is simply the level of opponent the Straw Hats now have to face.
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You sure missed the tone of my post by half a mile.
Or even further!
My fault, If I knew your posts I wouldnt make mistake like that, sorry -
Just take Blackbeard vs Ace for starters.
He basically insinuated that Ace hadn't been "hit" ina while.
I found that kinda weird since he's been in the New World for a few years and we're led to believe the elites of the NW use haki exclusively.
Then there's the whole question of if Ace could use BH himself and why he never used it.
Ace was just fast enough to avoid getting hit. Teach's fruit just happens to counter speed.
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Or even further!
My fault, If I knew your posts I wouldnt make mistake like that, sorry Don't worry,I'm truly biased towards dinos,it's just that I wasn't going to seriously argue.
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Aw man I've finished the thread :( nothing left to amuse me now. Come on, troll, I feed thee, come out here and troll!
! Reported myself for trying to lure out the troll.
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@Fire Fist:
Bellamy already came back:
What the heck are you talking about lol.
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@Monkey:
What the heck are you talking about lol.
The guy that Chalross is riding. I was joking, though.
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@Panda:
It's interesting that you make the comparison to DFs, actually, because I find it to be a very similar case.
Way back when the series was still in East Blue, Devil Fruits were supposedly this incredibly rare thing, and a huge deal was made out of anyone having one. Then, once the series got into the Grand Line, it seemed like pretty much every person the crew came across had one. I remember people at some points observing that this seemed a little strange, but really, it makes perfect sense. First of all, it simply stood to reason that Devil Fruits would be more common in the Grand Line, and secondly, because we weren't exactly getting a random sample of the One Piece population; the people that the Straw Hats were facing were by and large important members of strong organizations, or otherwise infamous in their own right.
I think the same can be said of Haki. I'm fairly certain it was at the very least implied that it's not something incredibly common – the Kuja pirates were noted for all being able to use it, after all -- so it makes sense that it didn't show up particularly often pre-Time Skip. Likewise, though, it makes sense that it's suddenly seemingly everywhere in the current story; that is simply the level of opponent the Straw Hats now have to face.
Very good post and explanation.
People who go, "If property X was so hyped and rare, why does everyone have it all of a sudden" fail to realize that they are witnessing a very specifically chosen subset of the population. It is the exact same thing as the people who complain about "X has a million to one chance and yet the protagonists always succeed". Well, they are the protagonists and you're reading their story because they succeed, because they are the one in the million who get the lucky break.
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Just take Blackbeard vs Ace for starters.
He basically insinuated that Ace hadn't been "hit" ina while.
I found that kinda weird since he's been in the New World for a few years and we're led to believe the elites of the NW use haki exclusively.
Then there's the whole question of if Ace could use BH himself and why he never used it.
I think getting hit by haki and getting hit by a pysical atack is different , haki atacks probably give only inner damages to logia users and thats why Ace wasnt used to pysical atacks and if your COA is better then others then you are even invicible against haki so Ace nearly had no damage before fighting BB . There is no way Ace wouldnt know or use haki after staying on WBs ship for years , Ace was practically like Sanji since we also cant see his haki but its there .
I also think that logia users bodies are still made up from their elements even when they arent intangible so Ace probably atacked akainu in that stage and since he wasnt intangible he got burned , the reason we got confused is that we assume when logia users are in their human bodies they are normal humans but thats not true , a logia user is made up from his\her element even if they are not intangible .
Well i may be wrong but i assume Akainus non intagible magma hand burned Aces non intangible flame hand which had less heat , for example if Kizaru fought Monet in the same way monet would get froze burn but if monet was in intangible state she could have escaped from that , the trick is not atacking a superior logia with real hand if you dont have superior haki mastery .
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@cooldud_21:
Very good post and explanation.
People who go, "If property X was so hyped and rare, why does everyone have it all of a sudden" fail to realize that they are witnessing a very specifically chosen subset of the population. It is the exact same thing as the people who complain about "X has a million to one chance and yet the protagonists always succeed". Well, they are the protagonists and you're reading their story because they succeed, because they are the one in the million who get the lucky break.Thats how I read/watch anime/manga, I always say to myself this person has already achieved all this but the author/mangaka is telling us their story from beginning of how they came to archieve or be who they are now. For example: we already know Roger was the pirate king, a new manga called "One piece" comes out and the main character is Roger and in this manga Oda tell us his story of how he began his journey and came to be pirate king. That's why when people say "Luffy can never die, because of plot or whatever" me I see it as "Luffy won't die because he already became the pirate king and fought the Great War, Oda is just telling us of how he came to be all this".
Big MoM ate - 2012
CC for nakama.
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the reason we got confused is that we assume when logia users are in their human bodies they are normal humans but thats not true , a logia user is made up from his\her element even if they are not intangible .
What the hell are you talking about? If they look human, they're human. They can transform into their element.
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Thats how I read/watch anime/manga, I always say to myself this person has already achieved all this but the author/mangaka is telling us their story from beginning of how they came to archieve or be who they are now. For example: we already know Roger was the pirate king, a new manga called "One piece" comes out and the main character is Roger and in this manga Oda tell us his story of how he began his journey and came to be pirate king. That's why when people say "Luffy can never die, because of plot or whatever" me I see it as "Luffy won't die because he already became the pirate king and fought the Great War, Oda is just telling us of how he came to be all this".
TO go with this, one cool epilogue idea I've heard is having it end with an old Usopp telling this story to a bunch of kids (as if he was the one telling us the readers the story as well), only for them to call him a huge liar, and then we see some momento of the journey as a last panel or something. It's definitely a bit cliched, but I feel like it'd work well for the type of story One Piece is. I doubt it'll happen, but I think it might be a nice way to close things off after all is said and done
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What the hell are you talking about? If they look human, they're human. They can transform into their element.
What he meant is that- if a logia is in his/her element then you can't call them human but whatever their element is.eg: if Ace turn to fire his now fire not human, only difference is that this fire has a mind of his own.
Big MoM ate - 2012
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What he meant is that- if a logia is in his/her element then you can't call them human but whatever their element is.eg: if Ace turn to fire his now fire not human, only difference is that this fire has a mind of his own.
The whole point of Devil Fruits is that the user becomes a special type of human.
Luffy is a rubber human
Buggy is a splitting human
Aokiji is a freezing human
Law is a free modifications human
Ace is a fire human etc.
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TO go with this, one cool epilogue idea I've heard is having it end with an old Usopp telling this story to a bunch of kids (as if he was the one telling us the readers the story as well), only for them to call him a huge liar, and then we see some momento of the journey as a last panel or something. It's definitely a bit cliched, but I feel like it'd work well for the type of story One Piece is. I doubt it'll happen, but I think it might be a nice way to close things off after all is said and done
Yeah true, but I don't think they will call Usopp a liar since Usopp will still have a bounty, like Kizaru said "sins of a pirate can't just suddenly disappear". Will be a different story if the kids are really young they don't even know what a bounty is.
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@Fire Fist:
Bellamy already came back:
Completely off topic, but why in the hell would they NOT translate "Saint".
It's not even a fricken' Japanese title, nor is it a name, and no reason whatsoever for it not to be translated.
