[Theory] The Inherited Will, "One Piece"

[Ashura_KingFisher]

@auem:

OP's theory doesn't explain why Roger and his crew kept silence…nothing changed in the running of society in past 20 years...just because they didn't have the ancient weapons to 'do the job' is not enough reason to speak nothing of....

Rayleigh said they were no Oharans and that Robin might end up with different 'conclusion'.

This gave me an impression that 'Rio' poneglyph doesn't simply provide you with a straightforward information of the lost history. you know, probably more like a riddle… which can only be accurately decoded by someone who has vast knowledge of the past (something Roger and crews lacked of).

So it's better for them to keep silence than spreading out a possibly false information.

[Islao]

@Underworld1991:

Awesome theory could totally see this happening. How do you think the AK lost the war? I'm thinking they was a traitor in the AK and Blackbeard has inherit that will.

Hahahaha! Dudee. Your actually had a point. But BB was just a big crilminal. He just kill's some yonko :)

–- Update From New Post Merge ---

And shanks dude. He must know it because his Roger's former crew shanks should know what to do.

[Monkey King]

@Ashura_KingFisher:

Rayleigh said they were no Oharans and that Robin might end up with different 'conclusion'.

This gave me an impression that 'Rio' poneglyph doesn't simply provide you with a straightforward information of the lost history. you know, probably more like a riddle… which can only be accurately decoded by someone who has vast knowledge of the past (something Roger and crews lacked of).

So it's better for them to keep silence than spreading out a possibly false information.

That's not what his words suggested at all.
It suggested something controversial about what they found, that Robin should complete the process herself and see the evidence herself to come to her own conclusion.
It suggests something not black and white about the info.

[D.aelthasaar]

@Monkey:

That's not what his words suggested at all.
It suggested something controversial about what they found, that Robin should complete the process herself and see the evidence herself to come to her own conclusion.
It suggests something not black and white about the info.

Ashura said "gave me the impression" because Rayleigh's words as you said imply something neither black or white.
Neither what you said nor what Ashura said is 100% true nor 100% false, it's about foreshading stuff and interpretation, because Oda himself wanted to leave it like that.
It's tiring to see you trying to force your opinion (because it's just an opinion since there are no facts so far) into people.
You're doing it very wrong.

[EvoWarrior5]

@D.aelthasaar:

Ashura said "gave me the impression" because Rayleigh's words as you said imply something neither black or white.
Neither what you said nor what Ashura said is 100% true nor 100% false, it's about foreshading stuff and interpretation, because Oda himself wanted to leave it like that.
It's tiring to see you trying to force your opinion (because it's just an opinion since there are no facts so far) into people.
You're doing it very wrong.

Honestly this time all he did was talk about what Rayleigh's words suggested, he didn't really give anything as a fact.
But I'm sure he'll reply as well soon.

[Monkey King]

Just look at his body language when he's saying all that. There's something heavy on his mind, not just some random puzzle.

[Ashura_KingFisher]

@Monkey:

That's not what his words suggested at all.
It suggested something controversial about what they found, that Robin should complete the process herself and see the evidence herself to come to her own conclusion.
It suggests something not black and white about the info.

well I have 3 possible scenarios in mind :

• Roger actually failed to gathered all the needed poneglyphs to form the "Rio" one. Some information were missed, thus preventing them from making a faithful conclusion.

• the one I suggested here. by 'riddles' I meant not actual riddle, may be more like a overly implicit message which was hard for Roger and crews to understand.

• the truth was clear but it's far from what they expected… as you said, it might be something controversial, which ended up putting Roger into a heavily dillematic situasion.

I'm still wonderng about the 'too hasty' part though... was it solely referring to the reawakening of Poseidon (and possibly the other weapons as well), or are there any other aspect that needed the right timing as well?

[Monkey King]

@Ashura_KingFisher:

well I have 3 possible scenarios in mind :

• Roger actually failed to gathered all the needed poneglyphs to form the "Rio" one. Some information were missed, thus preventing them from making a faithful conclusion.

• the one I suggested here. by 'riddles' I meant not actual riddle, may be more like a overly implicit message which was hard for Roger and crews to understand.

• the truth was clear but it's far from what they expected… as you said, it might be something controversial, which ended up putting Roger into a heavily dillematic situasion.

I'm still wonderng about the 'too hasty' part though... was it solely referring to the reawakening of Poseidon (and possibly the other weapons as well), or are there any other aspect that needed the right timing as well?

The first two possibilities just don't go with Rayleigh's body language, when he says all that. Go look at that chapter again.

[Gallan]

@Monkey:

The first two possibilities just don't go with Rayleigh's body language, when he says all that. Go look at that chapter again.

I still think all three ideas are valid if they truly DID come to a different conclusion but it didn't go down that way. Hence, the pirates of prophecy thingy and the one man Roger spoke of, etc.

Why would Roger have to wait if he was already on a voyage one more year before disbanding the crew unless he saw something on the completed Rio Poneglyph* and realized it wasn't him or that he saw things differently and acted to inspire the next generation who could take on such a burden.

*Edit: Rio

[Monkey King]

@Gallan:

I still think all three ideas are valid if they truly DID come to a different conclusion but it didn't go down that way. Hence, the pirates of prophecy thingy and the one man Roger spoke of, etc.

Why would Roger have to wait if he was already on a voyage one more year before disbanding the crew unless he saw something on the completed Rio Poneglyph* and realized it wasn't him or that he saw things differently and acted to inspire the next generation who could take on such a burden.

*Edit: Rio

You're ignoring dialogue. Rayleigh is pretty much inarguable talking about the nature of what they found being ambiguous.

[knceng]

@Ashura_KingFisher:

well I have 3 possible scenarios in mind :

• Roger actually failed to gathered all the needed poneglyphs to form the "Rio" one. Some information were missed, thus preventing them from making a faithful conclusion.

• the one I suggested here. by 'riddles' I meant not actual riddle, may be more like a overly implicit message which was hard for Roger and crews to understand.

• the truth was clear but it's far from what they expected… as you said, it might be something controversial, which ended up putting Roger into a heavily dillematic situasion.

I'm still wonderng about the 'too hasty' part though… was it solely referring to the reawakening of Poseidon (and possibly the other weapons as well), or are there any other aspect that needed the right timing as well?

maybe it's roger's goal, his goal from the start is turn the world against WG, while it turns out that it's not gonna happen in his time, with no poseidon available…
and the same happen with ohara, they're too hasty in their study (sending out scholars to search and learn for poneglyph) and caught the WG attention.

[flea]

SPOILER:

After reading this, I now believe that reverse mountain will be destroyed by the strawhats as it has been explained, but there is something else that I have thought about. Remember that Lola is travelling backwards from the new world to reverse mountain? Well I believe that the strawhats will meet her there and on the sunny, lola´s mum will be riding probably as the last strawhat.

[EvoWarrior5]

@flea:

SPOILER:

After reading this, I now believe that reverse mountain will be destroyed by the strawhats as it has been explained, but there is something else that I have thought about. Remember that Lola is travelling backwards from the new world to reverse mountain? Well I believe that the strawhats will meet her there and on the sunny, lola´s mum will be riding probably as the last strawhat.

How is this in any way, shape or form, close to the definition of spoiler? Explain to me..

[blitzcloud]

I believe one piece is some sort of nexus to the true story/rio poneglyph/whatever that is meant for the pirate willing to be as great as roger and do the mission his health did not allow him to do.

And the three weapons like poseidon, pluton and uranus could be in relation to the power they hold.

Poseidon can be the water, the control of the seas.

Pluton could be the control of the land (Arabasta was really a big land, capable of hiding things in the sand)

And uranus could be something air/sky related.

Combine the three and you control everything in the world.

[flea]

@EvoWarrior5:

How is this in any way, shape or form, close to the definition of spoiler? Explain to me..

It was only so that no one who hadn´t read that part of the theory wasn´t spoiled by the thing about reverse mountain being destroyed.

[EvoWarrior5]

@flea:

It was only so that no one who hadn´t read that part of the theory wasn´t spoiled by the thing about reverse mountain being destroyed.

I don't think people who haven't read the full first post would jump to the last page just like that, at least not without expecting to read stuff about what was on the first page.

[Friction]

NICE!!!!! 25 chars

[betelgeuse]

i feel like i've just seen biggest spoiler. i want to kill you lol. Great prediction.

[DamnItFeelsGoodToBeAPirate]

You BASTARD. This is INCREDIBLY PROBABLE.

(And using "probable", I assure you, in the realm of One Piece theorizing and prediction formulating, is a damn compliment. Everyone here can probably attest to that.)

Seriously, as a devout One Piece fanatic, I think you've struck gold. Based on your compiled Oharan-esque research, I have to say: this is highly probable and congruent to all things One Piece.

Inherited Will.

I'm currently on my fifth or sixth go-around of the anime series, and I literally just concluded the Drum Island arc (pre-adventured naive Chopper is totes adorbs). This arc, as with all the wonderful, hilarious, exhilarating, heartwarming, tragic, deeply saddening, cool, awesome, hopeful, and INSPIRING tales Oda sings us, did not cease to fail in jolting my system with a cornucopia of utter, shivering AWE - the best stories affect you physically (it's tingly) - from the epic majesty and catharses these arcs bring. It got me to ponder the themes and meanings of the series that were first introduced and reinforced in this particular arc, relative to the chronology of how Oda meticulously peppers in clues of the bigger, GRANDER, mysteries still lying ahead as we follow his epic.

I'm a reader/viewer who gets more out of repeated viewings. This time, I was groovin' the vibe of Chopper's backstory and was caught much deeper this time around into its spell. Doctor Hiluluck was a fucking awesome character. Goofy and a quack, and really moving. In his final moments, he was joyous. He knew he was dying, but declared he won't die (remind you of someone?) because he won't be FORGOTTEN! His will, his DREAM, will live on! And it did! With a glorious smile stretched on his goofy face (remind you of certain peeps?), off he went, and from there, his final act gave the final push and inspired (/will-inherited) Dalton to resist against Wapol's stupid tyranny and inspired Dr. Krueha to carry on his dream of making sakura bloom in the winter island while also taking in Chopper to teach him how to become a kick-ass-first-class doctor (with Chopper inheriting his will as well). It got me really into thinking about that inherited will thing. It's been such a staple in the series, as with all the Strawhats' and their mentors and their dreams too.

Then, in the course of the series, this is where "The Will of D." is first introduced. Being as this is the first arc in which the theme of "inherited will" is outspokenly played out by a character in the telling, it's appropriate and significant. So what is The Will of D.? Well. I thought I was the first person to figure it out. At least a partial, concrete aspect of it. Total epiphany moment. Then right before posting about it, I googled that shit, and then stumbled onto this forum post for the first time.

And you sir, blew my fucking mind.

It all makes complete sense. Why the fuck WOULDN'T the greatest treasure in the world of One Piece be to bring the whole world into ONE PIECE? The loveliness of that fact is the gift of FREEDOM, and with that THE WHOLE WORLD. The entire planet would be completely accessible! Can you imagine THE ADVENTURE??? You can go anywhere and do anything! The greatest treasure is freedom; the greatest treasure is THE WORLD! Freedom is a pirate's greatest treasure!!!!

There's a moment in the Drum Island arc (or "Tony-kun's arc", teehee) that hit home to me about the wonders of being a pirate. There's a part where Jamaguchi is mouthing about being the king to a snowbird for some reason. "I am the King!" (Something he continuously brags throughout the arc, like some really obnoxious Tone Dial) And before HE TRIES TO EAT THE SNOWBIRD, our future Pirate King shuts him up:

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"Whether you're a king… Or whether you're a God... Who's great, who isn't great... It doesn't matter! Because I'm a pirate."
Dayummm. (the God part in the quote foreshadows a bit too, hmmm?)

What being a pirate truly means is being free to do whatever you want, whenever you want! With the only rule being: THERE ARE NO RULES, except giving proud allegiance to your own skull and cross bones! And that's FUCKING AWESOME!

So from witnessing Hiluluk's mention of not truly dying, that his will, his DREAM will be carried out after his "death", and going out smiling assured of that, I conceived my theory of "The Will of D.":

The Will of D. is exactly that: someone's inherited will. The most legendary one of them all. Most likely, there was a prominent figure during the time of the Ancient Kingdom, who aimed to do something incredible (cough cough, ahem). I'm tempted to refer to this prominent figure as "D." Because "D." just makes for a fucking cool name for a character. The Will of D., D.'s Will, it makes sense right? This man (it's gotta be a man, sorry ladies, this story IS about manliness) had a dream he wished to achieve but failed to do so. However, this dream, this will, was the greatest of them all, probably the dream of the whole Ancient Kingdom. Therefore it has become THE will. His legacy! Even after his tragic defeat against the powers that would become The World Government, his dream would continue on. I imagine when Oda reveals D.'s flashback, a man with a striking resemblance to Roger and Luffy, deathly bloodied from an awesome battle, proudly grins with a DON! to the whole world: "EVEN AFTER I'M GONE, MY DREAM WILL COME TRUE!!!!!!" Or something along those lines.

As Hiluluk said, a person only truly dies when they are forgotten. And the best way to keep his memory alive, his DREAM alive (other than, you know, etching giant unbreakable stone slabs scattered throughout the world), is by actually marking future generations' names. I believe the survivors from the Kingdom or D.'s actual descendants or whomever, gave the name "D." to their children and their children to their children to bestow The Will of D. to them. And these descendants all grew up to be foolhardy tenacious dreamers we all know, love, and admire in the world of One Piece.

In addition to that, I'm pretty confident now that the people who carry The Will of D. don't necessarily have to be blood related. Harking back to a quote from Whitebeard, it doesn't matter whether or not the bloodline dies, someone else will take up the will. And that's true with inherited will isn't it? Anyone can pick it up if they are inspired enough to do it, or worthy enough. Traditionally, the bestowing of "D." is familial and inherited through bloodlines, as it most likely is with The Monkeys and Jaguars. But someone else out of that bloodline who is deemed worthy enough (deemed by whomever authority, the actual person, the mysticism of One Piece, or God– Oda himself) can engrave D. into the center of their name and carry on D.'s Will. This totally justifies why Jaguar D. Saul says the name runs in his family, but he's a giant, making the tad improbable connection he might be a distant relative to humans such as Luffy or Roger (but of course you can't completely dismiss the possibility of giant-to-human freak-nastying). It also justifies how Gol D. Roger fell in love and had a child with a person named Portgas D. Rouge. (Do you think they're actually related to each other?Gross!) Finally, since the Will of D. isn't limited to blood-related family, isn't that much more lasting? Boundless? The surname is kept, but D. is actually just a middle name! Anyone can have it!

Well there you have it. That's my addition to the Will of D. theory. In terms of the will itself, it seems the carriers are all characteristically strong-willed, simple-minded, and fearless of death. Maybe it's just a coincidence, maybe the people who give them their names upon birth know they are capable whether through genetic inheritance or whatever. Regardless of how the D. becomes imprinted into the person's identity, the name certainly grants or classifies people with unworldly personality traits. Of course there are still lots of mysteries left and questions to be answered, but I think we're all making much better educated guesses with the material Oda's revealed to us so far. In all likelihood, Joy Boy is probably the origin of the Will of D. The name makes me think he was Luffy-esque and with the personality trait of a D. carrier.

Overall, that inherited will thing is starting to really sink in. Hiluluk's smiling visage upon his death was so proud and confident, like all of the Will of D. carriers upon their death. Just so certain their dream WILL come to fruition even after leaving the world of the living. That's deep, man. And with that confidence, it makes total sense that the Will of D. carriers have that air of fearlessness towards death. In the grand scheme of things, they accept the inevitability of death, and perhaps innately understand that their dreams WILL come true, just passed onto someone else. Maybe not necessarily their own dreams, but perhaps innately feeling that the Will of D. will continue until it is fulfilled. That confidence, that innate belief, must be so comforting. And you can tell that whoever has this overwhelming content are the ones who are also the most worthy to be a "Pirate King." Endlessly smiling. Pretty much in every portrayal we've seen of Roger, he was always smiling, wasn't he?

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…Who else do we know with a constant grin on his face?

[Kirk]

@DamnItFeelsGoodToBeAPirate:

…Who else do we know with a constant grin on his face?

….Doflamingo??

[DamnItFeelsGoodToBeAPirate]

I was referring to Lucky Roo, silly.

[Kirk]

I) To free Coby. Oppressor: Alvida
II) To free Zoro. Oppressor: Morgan
III) To free Orange town. Oppressor: Buggy
IV) To save Syrup village. Oppressor: Kuro
V) To save Baratie. Oppressor: Krieg
VI) To free Nami and cocoyasi village. Oppressor: Arlong
VII) To free Drum kingdom. Oppressor: Wapol
VIII) To free Alabasta kingdom. Oppressor: Crocodile
IX) To free Skypiea. Oppressor: Enel
X) To free Robin. Oppressor: Spandman/CP9
XI) To free Brook and Lola people. Oppressor: Moria
XII) To free Hatchan. Oppressor: Duval
XIII) To free Keimi. Oppressor: Human auctioning House
XIV) To free Ace. Oppressor: Magellan/Sengoku/Marines
XV) To free Shirahoshi and Fishman Island. Oppressor: Hody
XVI) To free the kids on crack. Oppressor: Ceasar
XVII) To free Rebecca and the dwarves. Oppressor: Doflamingo

That being said we also have:

• Fisher Tiger liberating the slaves on Mariejoa. Oppressor: World nobles
• Sabo who wants to escape his life. Oppressor: Family/ Goa kingdom
• Ace and Luffy's wish to live freer than anyone else
• Luffy talk with Rayleigh about the meaning of being Pirate king: freest of the seas

Freedom is undoubtedly the main theme of this story, followed by the will, the dreams, the notion of treasure, and justice. One Piece should be related to freedom, there is no other way around.

We have talked about this a lot, in this thread. While the idea in itself isn't bad at all, it lacks something, there is no oppresor in this theory and logically if we take the list above it should be:

• To free the world. Oppressor: World government. But it may not be as simple.

What did the Ancient Kingdom want to accomplish? Who were the oppressors? Is One Piece the Rio Poneglyph or is it the Inherited will of these people?

[El_Luffy_Roja]

The Will of "D". The Void century. A destroyed kingdom. Fruits as containers. The spirit/soul is indestructable.

The Lost Kingdom and it's inhabitants were maybe viewed upon as devils by the rest of the world. The reason, No idea. But I believe the Void Century were a time plagued by intense wars by utilizing devil fruits intensifying over time as the knowledge of how to create them grew. The country at the center of this is the Lost Kingdom. The other kingdoms teamed up to bring them down. Afterwards they decided to never experience it again and tried to destroy all the traces of how to develop devil fruits. What they were not capable of, was to destroy the existing fruits and their cycle of rebirth.

The knowledge of DF creation grew to such an extent that they were able to extract human souls into DF, and since each soul is unique then follows that the resulting power will be unique.
Today, 2 factions in the world government. Those that want to keep the knowledge hidden by destroying all traces and not to research it. Those that actively wants to utilize it and grab more power in one way or another. Aokiji belongs to the first and Akainu to the second faction. Dr Vegapunk is sponsored by the faction of Akainu.

The s.m.i.l.e factory, the 500 dwarves, Kaido and his army of 500 zoans are aspects of the above but Vegapunk has not yet discovered how to make paramecia/logia from souls.

The inhabitants of the Lost Kingdom were seen as devils, enemies demonize eachother, and by infusing their souls into fruits we got devil fruits. A soul has it's own will, and by extension a fruit has the will of the infused soul. So we get that the "Will of D" is the infused soul's will ("Will of the Devil"). In each cycle of the fruit, it's "soul/will" will search for an individual of it's choice. Ex Blackbeard said that the fruit chose him.
Will of the devil = will of the dream, and in Luffy's case I could see that the Devil's dream is Freedom and that is also Luffy's aspiration. In Blackbeard's case it is something else that BB and the devil shares.

When a person dies, it's soul travels to God. But when removed from the body and infused into a fruit that Godlink is broken. Cursed to find a similar fruit container instead of God when the devil fruit user dies.
How to break this cycle? I believe the answer will be found in the attribute of the seastone. Utilize it in such a way that the soul in the fruit are free to return to God.
By doing this Luffy will fulfill something he has done all through the series, namely freeing persons from oppression and giving them freedom. Ex Alabasta, sabaody, the children of punk hazard, Nami and many other.

Sorry if my presentation is a bit messy, but I got these idead the other days and not thought them through to its fullest but I find them fascinating.

[Kirk]

@El_Luffy_Roja:

Sorry if my presentation is a bit messy, but I got these idead the other days and not thought them through to its fullest but I find them fascinating.

Idk man, I always find it annoying when people come here, a "theory" thread and post their fanfiction without adding elements to the OP.

[loony]

@Kirk:

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What did the Ancient Kingdom want to accomplish? Who were the oppressors? Is One Piece the Rio Poneglyph or is it the Inherited will of these people?

one piece is 99% the Rio Poneglyph…
but then when you decipher it, I believe it would be what MR Ashura_KingFisher predicted in the first post.

@El_Luffy_Roja:

So we get that the "Will of D" is the infused soul's will ("Will of the Devil").

I don't really think that the "D" in luffy's family name means Devil!!!!!

[Kirk]

@loony:

one piece is 99% the Rio Poneglyph…

You shouldn't be too sure about that. I'm not going to go as far as saying the One Piece being the Rio Poneglyph seems too obvious, but that's the first thing that comes into mind when connecting the Void century and One Piece.

We already know the existence of the Rio Poneglyph, we also know it will tell the truth. Shouldn't the One Piece be something completely new to surprise the readers? While being relevant to the whole story? I think so. Rio Poneglyph is also centered around Robin, it is her dream after all. One Piece should be something that connects everyone, without having 90% into Robin and 10% for the rest of the world.

Like in 20 years from now in the world of One Piece, people will ask "what was the One Piece?" "It was the Rio Poneglyph". Does not sound right to me, at all. I'm well aware of the hints about the RP but all these quotes from Whitebeard and Roger could have a double meaning.

[Shadowgreed]

I've never considered this but Will Luffy go as far as to tell the whole world what One Piece really is or tell them the true history or will he choose to do things his own way and rather only a few people knowing about his actions and why he's going to war against the WG

[El_Luffy_Roja]

I didn't say their name is Devil. For me till a few days ago the "D" had something to do with dreams, that the holders of the D had the strongest Will of accomplishing their "dreams/will". But since BB said that his fruit chose him, it means something's will inside any Devil Fruit will somehow make a choice of which person will eat it. I suspect Oda will delve into this a lot more.

What was so horrible during the Void Century that the Government goes above and beyond to keep the history buried?
For me, I believe Oda is telling us a story about the world experiencing much of what they did back then but this time the final solution to solve the horrible things people did will be found and achieved. I believe it is centered around huge wars based on devil fruits, it's creation and so on.
The DF has a start and I am convinced that start is by human hands and the DF is reborn cycle after cycle. Unless the spirit inside the fruit chose it freely, then it is a prison sentence.

[loony]

@Kirk:

You shouldn't be too sure about that. I'm not going to go as far as saying the One Piece being the Rio Poneglyph seems too obvious, but that's the first thing that comes into mind when connecting the Void century and One Piece.

We already know the existence of the Rio Poneglyph, we also know it will tell the truth. Shouldn't the One Piece be something completely new to surprise the readers? While being relevant to the whole story? I think so. Rio Poneglyph is also centered around Robin, it is her dream after all. One Piece should be something that connects everyone, without having 90% into Robin and 10% for the rest of the world.

Like in 20 years from now in the world of One Piece, people will ask "what was the One Piece?" "It was the Rio Poneglyph". Does not sound right to me, at all. I'm well aware of the hints about the RP but all these quotes from Whitebeard and Roger could have a double meaning.

1.How can you be so sure that the truth wouldn't surprise you? :D (I mean, when you decipher Rio poneglyph)

2.I don't think that it is One piece that should connect everyone's dream…but as for the Raftel...

A) Luffy will find one piece and become pirate king
B) Nami will be closer to drawing a complete map
C) Robin will find the last poneglyph
D) Sanji will find all blue(just before reaching raftel or just after it as the first post says)
E) Ussop most probably will become a brave warrior of the sea at that time :D
F) When Sunny reach to raftel, she will be franky's dream ship... a ship that had reached the end of the world!!!!

I'm trying to say that no matter what one piece is!!!! by the time they reach Raftel, most of them would achieve their dream.

Now why do I think that it is Rio poneglyph?
because we know that the last poneglyph is in raftel... Robin said it in sky island when she read roger's words:

"I have come here and will lead this passage to the farthest end of the world"

and if you remember Shirohige's last words... he said that just like there are those who carry Roger's will, I'm sure someone will appear to carry on Ace's will..."It has been passed down since ancient times" ( I believe it refers to the void century)

"and then in future,some one will appear,carrying the history of all those decades on his back,
and challenge this whole world to a fight.
Sengoku
you guys in the world government…
all fear that immense battle engulfing the whole world…
that will eventually come.
I don't care myself...
but as soon as some one find that great treasure…
the entire world will be upside down
and some one will find it
that day definitely come sooner or later"

now why when some one finds one piece should declare war to the world and turns it upside down? and why should government fear the day that some one should find One piece?
I think the answers are obvious…isn't it?

and before shirohige says these words he has this flashback when he asks roger that what "D" is and then says to BB that you are not him... the man that roger was waiting for...

we can understand two things from the flashback:
1. The "D" is related to the great treasure one piece
2. Those who carry the "D" in their name has a history from a long time ago( the void century, if you ask me)

I think those who carry the name of "D" are descendents of those people in the void century... now some one who carries the name of "D" (I hope LuffY :D) will find One piece and one piece some how reveal the truth about the void century... since the last poneglyph is in raftel ...robin will read it and connect it to the other poneglyphs and decipher it( Decipher the non existent Rio poneglyph)... and the truth? I think it is what MR Ashura_KingFisher predicted in the first post.

there are so many other clues that one piece might be Rio Poneglyph… but I can't tell all of them in one post :D
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by the way... I don't say it's a fact... but it's probably what will happen :D

[Kirk]

Like I said, I'm well aware of all this stuff, you are just repeating what others peeps have already said in the past years. But something in bugging me in your post:

@loony:

and the truth? I think it is what MR Ashura_KingFisher predicted in the first post.

So, you agree with One Piece being the Rio Poneglyph. On another hand you also agree with the original post of this thread. Have you read it? Because it specifically says that "One Piece" could be a project: fusing 4 seas into a united ocean. One Piece can't be both the Rio Poneglyph AND the project to unify the seas since this post specifically says that One Piece is a project.

[EvoWarrior5]

@Kirk:

So, you agree with One Piece being the Rio Poneglyph. On another hand you also agree with the original post of this thread. Have you read it? Because it specifically says that "One Piece" could be a project: fusing 4 seas into a united ocean. One Piece can't be both the Rio Poneglyph AND the project to unify the seas since this post specifically says that One Piece is a project.

A Rio poneglyph that states the project on it.

[Kirk]

@EvoWarrior5:

A Rio poneglyph that states the project on it.

But the "One piece project" would not be accomplished by reading the Rio Poneglyph, get my drift? If anything, according to this theory the Rio Poneglyph would be the key to accomplish the "One Piece".

[EvoWarrior5]

@Kirk:

But the "One piece project" would not be accomplished by reading the Rio Poneglyph, get my drift? If anything, according to this theory the Rio Poneglyph would be the key to accomplish the "One Piece".

Yea that is true, but I found it so weird that you said "it cannot be the Poneglyph AND the project", as they would be so closely linked anyways if this theory is correct. But you're right, on Raftel would be the key to it, then the accomplishment would be the One Piece.

[Monkey King]

@Kirk:

What did the Ancient Kingdom want to accomplish? Who were the oppressors? Is One Piece the Rio Poneglyph or is it the Inherited will of these people?

I would assume that ultimately that's the message of the Rio Poneglyph. I mean the Poneglyphs are essentially physical manisfestations of inherited will, and we've had at least one that wasn't just "THIS IS THE HISTORY HERE IS A WEAPON" with the Joyboy message in the Sea Forest.

So I don't really see any difference personally between it being the Rio Poneglyph and what you're suggesting.
It's just you're going a step further and predicting what sort of message you think it will be.
Roger was writing in the language on Skypiea, so I wouldn't be surprsied if he left his own message alongside the connected histories.

For the record I agree with that prediction.

[EvoWarrior5]

I'm fairly sure that what Kirk is saying is that if you say that "One Piece is the Rio Poneglyph" then what you mean is that the one piece is the true history and that is it. Or well, afterwards there would be a government fight and all that stuff, but it wouldnt be the same as the "One Piece" as in the project to unify the seas. In that interpretation, the One Piece is the project which has to be accomplished, and the Poneglyph at Raftel is merely the key to accomplish the one piece, the project.

[Monkey King]

@EvoWarrior5:

I'm fairly sure that what Kirk is saying is that if you say that "One Piece is the Rio Poneglyph" then what you mean is that the one piece is the true history and that is it. Or well, afterwards there would be a government fight and all that stuff, but it wouldnt be the same as the "One Piece" as in the project to unify the seas. In that interpretation, the One Piece is the project which has to be accomplished, and the Poneglyph at Raftel is merely the key to accomplish the one piece, the project.

I've never thought of the Rio Poneglyph theory as meaning anything as simple as "GOVERNMENT BAD".

[Ashura_KingFisher]

@Kirk:

So, you agree with One Piece being the Rio Poneglyph. On another hand you also agree with the original post of this thread. Have you read it? Because it specifically says that "One Piece" could be a project: fusing 4 seas into a united ocean. One Piece can't be both the Rio Poneglyph AND the project to unify the seas since this post specifically says that One Piece is a project.

Did it ever cros your minds that the "One Piece" might not taking one absolute form?

Speaking out of an author's angle, there are ALWAYS people who hate a twisted ending no matter how good it is and make sense it does. Especially in a long ass series like One Piece where predictions have gone wild and expectations have soared galaxy-high.

I'm not saying Oda didn't save him any sensically briliant idea what One Piece actually would be, but I have this feeling that he would make One Piece as a multi-interpreted thing. In other words, it will be up to readers to decide what One Piece actually is. Each reader will have their own interpretation of One Piece form, depending on how one sees the whole story and they are all counts.

well, it would be kinda a coward move from someone as unpredictable as Oda, but I am afraid that OP has gotten too big to handle for him. There's tendency a story would end up failing miserably when it's trying to be twisted too hard coughassassin'screedcough and no one wants that to happen to OP. It might sacrifice Oda's unpredictibility, but It would serve a safer route to end the story nontheless.

[loony]

I get what you are saying Kirk san.
you say that One piece can not be the Rio Poneglyph and simultaneously be the accomplishment of One piece project. right?

but it can be both the Rio Poneglyph and the message it conveys, can't it be?
because the Rio Poneglyph on its own does not have any value…
the message it conveys is what is of importance here.

and I say that the message which says unify the oceans is one piece.
because Roger had One piece but he didn't accomplish the project ( I think I know why!!!! not that he didn't want to... bu that he couldn't... because Poseidon was not yet born at the time!!!! and Roger was already dying)

and I think that it was Roger who named the treasure one piece.... because the message was to have one piece of ocean...one united ocean...

[Monkey King]

@Ashura_KingFisher:

Did it ever cros your minds that the "One Piece" might not taking one absolute form?

Speaking out of an author's angle, there are ALWAYS people who hate a twisted ending no matter how good it is and make sense it does. Especially in a long ass series like One Piece where predictions have gone wild and expectations have soared galaxy-high.

I'm not saying Oda didn't save him any sensically briliant idea what One Piece actually would be, but I have this feeling that he would make One Piece as a multi-interpreted thing. In other words, it will be up to readers to decide what One Piece actually is. Each reader will have their own interpretation of One Piece form, depending on how one sees the whole story and they are all counts.

well, it would be kinda a coward move from someone as unpredictable as Oda, but I am afraid that OP has gotten too big to handle for him. There's tendency a story would end up failing miserably when it's trying to be twisted too hard coughassassin'screedcough and no one wants that to happen to OP. It might sacrifice Oda's unpredictibility, but It would serve a safer route to end the story nontheless.

Or maybe it's a multi-faceted thing.
Like the Poneglyph that gives Robin the history, but also includes a direct emotional message from the Ancients regarding their will and freedom. And probably the thing is sitting in the middle of a room covered in more treasure than you could imagine.

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@loony:

I get what you are saying Kirk san.
you say that One piece can not be the Rio Poneglyph and simultaneously be the accomplishment of One piece project. right?

but it can be both the Rio Poneglyph and the message it conveys, can't it be?
because the Rio Poneglyph on itself does not have any value…
the message it conveys is what is of importance here.

and I say that the message which says unify the oceans is one piece.
because Roger had One piece but he didn't accomplish the project ( I think I know why!!!! not that he didn't want to... bu that he couldn't... because Poseidon was not yet born at the time!!!! and Roger was already dying)

and I think that it was Roger who named the treasure one piece.... because the message was to have one piece of ocean...one united ocean...

Do people really still believe Luffy is going help an evil dead empire commit an act of extreme eco-terrorism?

[loony]

@Monkey:

Do people really still believe Luffy is going help an evil dead empire commit an act of extreme eco-terrorism?

why "evil" I wonder? :D
I know Luffy is extremely selfish(:D)…. though he had saved numerous people many times.
why shouldn't he do it this time? I mean for the greater good :D

[Monkey King]

@loony:

why "evil" I wonder? :D
I know Luffy is extremely selfish(:D)…. though he had saved numerous people many times.
why shouldn't he do it this time? I mean for the greater good :D

The way the creator of this thread described the Ancient Kingdom they sure sounded evil!
What greater good?

[D.aelthasaar]

@Monkey:

Do people really still believe Luffy is going help an evil dead empire commit an act of extreme eco-terrorism?

Well, that's strongly opinionated.

We still don't know if the Ancient Kingdom was evil.
Hell, we still don't even know for sure if there are any survivors since the D. might or might not be descendants.
Or maybe Raftel is still inhabited or whatever.
What if I found nearly impossible is to eradicate/exterminate completely a race/civilization.
Attempts to exterminate a race/civilization has happened in reality too, but they have never been accomplished.
As it happened to Ohara, even AK could have had survivors.
Or some from the AK betrayed…lots of possibilities, and AK being evil is just one of them, yet unconfirmed.

Extreme eco-terrorism.
That's a nice take and again something that's a bit opinionated.
We know that the OnePiece world is not stable, crazy currents, crazy seasons changes, calm belts and stuff.
That's a fact.
Now, humanity usually doesn't have big ethic problems in changing the nature if it can take advantage of it.
I just think of the Aswuan Dam for example.
That was highly perceived as an eco-monster but undoubtely gave advantage to lots of people…or Suez Channel, Panama Channel...just to mention a few that comes to my mind now.
So...who's taking advantage of the World Layout NOW, and how and why?
The unified sea concept would give benefit to the OnePiece world economic system and eventually scientific progress.
So...it's perceived as eco terrorism because made with "violence" and weapons, and with people unaware of what would happen, but a unified sea would be perceived as an outstanding engineering opus if made with thousands of years of work.
WG has no problem in making big works, like Tequila Wolf, so if they left the World layout as it is is because they have their own reasons, like controlling the people who moves from one sea to another, thus controlling even blackmarket commerces forcing them to the dangerous route of Fishman Island.
WG is clearly afraid of information spreading and cultures getting close, and has evident racial issues.
That's an idea reinforced by the concept that there are still powerful Civilizations outside the control of the WG, like Wano for example.
Until civilizations are spread they won't be aware of common issues and won't band together against the common treat(s).

So, even if Luffy act would be extreme ecoterrorism, he could be the right one to do it because he is a pirate :)

[loony]

@Monkey:

What greater good?

for freedom of course!!!!

and I don't think that the sees and lands in one piece world were this way to begin with…
I think luffy will only turn it(the world) to it's original form!!!
...just a hypothesis...

[v-die]

@loony:

for freedom of course!!!!

and I don't think that the sees and lands in one piece world were this way to begin with…
I think luffy will only turn it(the world) to it's original form!!!
...just a hypothesis...

This point alone makes this theory very unlikely: Why would Luffy make the world a more boring place?
(all the fun lies in the abnormal Grand Line)

[Ashura_KingFisher]

Well, Roger was technically evil.

He created the age of piracy where million people went to the sea searching for OP. it would have been better if more pirates were like Luffy, but sadly they were not. Many were just pure bad… causing ruckus everywhere, stealing, killing civilians just for the hell of it. All of it ten times worse than pre-age of piracy and Roger was indirectly the man responsible for it.

If I were a civilian in OP world I would certainly have hated him... The man sacrificed this peaceful world to carry on the AK's will, the will that we couldn't even be sure if it's really for a greater good. And it's been a good 24 years of chaotic world without no sign of ending soon.

[Nalkul]

I dont get why the ancient kingdom has to be one place. Why couldn't it have had a central capital but spread out territories over different islands which could explain the distribution of the poneglyphs. Like the British empire back when they were controlling many spread out territories. Maybe these countries were displeased by the outside control and rose up to make the world government. whose to stay the ancient kingdom was not trying to take over all the kingdoms and install democracy and give the power to the average people and created the devil fruits to spread out the power, and made the ancient weapons to force the countries to accept this but this displeased the kings and those in power so they destroyed them to prevent this and covered them up so others would not get this idea. This idea of enpowering the people seems to be exactly why the WG hates the Rebels lead by dragon, and the pirates who refuse their authority. Maybe the AK is in the grey area where their intention were good, but the amount of power they were collecting was so great that if those leading became corrupt it would be disasterous. just a thought but who knows it's a mystery we wont find out I feel for some time.

[D.aelthasaar]

@v-die:

This point alone makes this theory very unlikely: Why would Luffy make the world a more boring place?
(all the fun lies in the abnormal Grand Line)

hmm…no
Every time the fun/carefree concept comes up, it never takes account of the Inherited Will AND eventually what he will learn from the glyphs and from Dragon.

@Ashura_KingFisher:

Well, Roger was technically evil.

He created the age of piracy where million people went to the sea searching for OP. it would have been better if more pirates were like Luffy, but sadly they were not. Many were just pure bad… causing ruckus everywhere, stealing, killing civilians just for the hell of it. All of it ten times worse than pre-age of piracy and Roger was indirectly the man responsible for it.

If I were a civilian in OP world I would certainly have hated him... The man sacrificed this peaceful world to carry on the AK's will, the will that we couldn't even be sure if it's really for a greater good. And it's been a good 24 years of chaotic world without no sign of ending soon.

Which is the classic way how Governments distort reality to tarnish the charisma of certain individualsk, to keep control of the flock.
Think about it…the bad people probably would have took the sea anyway and pillaged and stuff even without Roger's words.
The good people that sailed for the Seas trailing Roger's words have taken the Sea with another approach.
Roger's words had great impact because the story makes us understand that they weren't only the right words, but also the right time.
Those words boosted the drive of people that already had a mindset, lots of characters were in Logue Town square even without knowing what Roger would have said.
Obviously some people went to sea after those words, but those are the fodders, people that Marine can catch up at the second visited island.

@Nalkul:

I dont get why the ancient kingdom has to be one place. Why couldn't it have had a central capital but spread out territories over different islands which could explain the distribution of the poneglyphs. Like the British empire back when they were controlling many spread out territories. Maybe these countries were displeased by the outside control and rose up to make the world government. whose to stay the ancient kingdom was not trying to take over all the kingdoms and install democracy and give the power to the average people and created the devil fruits to spread out the power, and made the ancient weapons to force the countries to accept this but this displeased the kings and those in power so they destroyed them to prevent this and covered them up so others would not get this idea. This idea of enpowering the people seems to be exactly why the WG hates the Rebels lead by dragon, and the pirates who refuse their authority. Maybe the AK is in the grey area where their intention were good, but the amount of power they were collecting was so great that if those leading became corrupt it would be disasterous. just a thought but who knows it's a mystery we wont find out I feel for some time.

Surely the places with glyphs are allies/colonies.
Ancient Kingdom obviously shares some aspects with the legendary Atlantis.

[knceng]

WG sometimes gave me the "UN Security Council" kinda like feeling. They're the world's peace keeper, but their arms export are in the top of the world's largest arms exporters list.

[Monkey King]

@loony:

for freedom of course!!!!

and I don't think that the sees and lands in one piece world were this way to begin with…
I think luffy will only turn it(the world) to it's original form!!!
...just a hypothesis...

If they weren't orginally this way it would have been many thousands of years ago, or Little Garden wouldn't and couldn't exist.
And freedom of what?

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@Nalkul:

I dont get why the ancient kingdom has to be one place. Why couldn't it have had a central capital but spread out territories over different islands which could explain the distribution of the poneglyphs. Like the British empire back when they were controlling many spread out territories. Maybe these countries were displeased by the outside control and rose up to make the world government.

Yeah, this is why I called the Ancient Kingdom of this thread evil. The OP described them as an empire, rather than as some enlightened civilization.
Empires are bad things people. Yes, the British Empire was bad.

whose to stay the ancient kingdom was not trying to take over all the kingdoms and install democracy and give the power to the average people and created the devil fruits to spread out the power,

The Ancient Kingdom was spreading democracy?
Also no no no no. Oda is not going to make a neo-con government or the AK lol.
Not to mention Oda has never demonized monarchy, consistently showing good ones alongside the bad.
Also it would appear Alabasta and Fishman Island were at the very least allies and friends of the AK to some extent.

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@D.aelthasaar:

Well, that's strongly opinionated.

We still don't know if the Ancient Kingdom was evil.
Hell, we still don't even know for sure if there are any survivors since the D. might or might not be descendants.
Or maybe Raftel is still inhabited or whatever.
What if I found nearly impossible is to eradicate/exterminate completely a race/civilization.
Attempts to exterminate a race/civilization has happened in reality too, but they have never been accomplished.
As it happened to Ohara, even AK could have had survivors.
Or some from the AK betrayed…lots of possibilities, and AK being evil is just one of them, yet unconfirmed.

ALL of my "AK was evil" talk is entirely confined to this thread and Ashura Fisher King's description of them.

We know that the OnePiece world is not stable, crazy currents, crazy seasons changes, calm belts and stuff.
That's a fact.

By OP world do you mean the Grand Line? Because NONE of that is a feature of the Blues. Which are by far most of the world.

Now, humanity usually doesn't have big ethic problems in changing the nature if it can take advantage of it.
I just think of the Aswuan Dam for example.
That was highly perceived as an eco-monster but undoubtely gave advantage to lots of people…or Suez Channel, Panama Channel...just to mention a few that comes to my mind now.

How the heck are you comparing a dam to the destruction of an entire continent lol.

The unified sea concept would give benefit to the OnePiece world economic system and eventually scientific progress.

The destruction of the Grand Line would negatively impact various islands like Saobody, Loguetown, Jaya, and Water7. Their economies would be severely hurt.

WG is clearly afraid of information spreading and cultures getting close, and has evident racial issues.

The WG has never shown in the modern story a fear of cultures getting close at all. They were clearly trying hard to improve things on the racial front (over their past mistakes I imagine). We had an unknown World Noble give Otohime a signature. And we had Jimbei's recruitment as Shichi, something the Gorusei lamented the loss of.

That's an idea reinforced by the concept that there are still powerful Civilizations outside the control of the WG, like Wano for example.
Until civilizations are spread they won't be aware of common issues and won't band together against the common treat(s).

Wano is the ONLY example we've ever been given unless Skypiea be counted. The implication so far has been that places outside the WG are probably insubstantial forces.

So, even if Luffy act would be extreme ecoterrorism, he could be the right one to do it because he is a pirate :)

The main reason I'm calling it eco-terrorism was detailed earlier in the thread.

[loony]

@Monkey:

If they weren't orginally this way it would have been many thousands of years ago, or Little Garden wouldn't and couldn't exist.
And freedom of what?

I think it's obvious… freedom for every one to travel through the world...

and yes I meant many thousand years ago... then 900 years ago the AK tried to turn it back to it's original form but somehow failed to do so.

if all seas had this kind of climate I wouldn't say that(then I would have thought: well, this is how it goes in One piece, it is how the world in One piece is)... but this kind of climate, only belongs to Grandline... and the question is why? Why is it different from the other seas? unless it was not that way to begin with and something altered it's weather condition.(again it's just a hypothesis :D)