I thought all kinds of merfolk Fishmen and women and mermaids and mermen could speak to fish. And I think we have seen every kind there is speak to fish.
[Theory] The Inherited Will, "One Piece"
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I thought all kinds of merfolk Fishmen and women and mermaids and mermen could speak to fish. And I think we have seen every kind there is speak to fish.
well there is this
http://eatmanga.com/Manga-Scan/One-Piece/One-Piece-549/page-6
I guess many fishmen don't bother to do it/learn how to do it. -
well there is this
http://eatmanga.com/Manga-Scan/One-Piece/One-Piece-549/page-6
I guess many fishmen don't bother to do it/learn how to do it.If I remeber correctly it has something to do with mermaids wanting to befriend fish and fishmen wanting to dominate fish. I think it might have been in an sbs.
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@RobbyBevard:
Keep in mind Roger had a deathly illness for three years before conquering the grand line, and only had about a year to live after that. (Or decided to end it a year later, at any rate… but not without setting it up for someone else to do.)
Whatever they found, whatever they decided, the lack of time available to Roger may have been a factor.
Also, starting a world-wide war that would upheave and change, toppling the government and changing things in ways no one would know, everything may have been well beyond the scope of what he'd even want to do even if he had the time. (Plus, the gae of pirates has happend since and so now there's a different balance of power than there was in Roger's time, with far more pirates and of course the shichibukai and yonkou.)
Not to mention, though its stated over and over that Luffy is like Roger, we still don't know much about Roger's personality. We know he defended his friends fiercely... but did he make allies the same way Luffy did? Bond entire nations and armies to him?
For example, Whitebeard is the guy Fishman Island was loyal, not Roger. And that wasn't until after Roger's death. Alabasta? Clearly on Luffy's side. Skypeia might havve let Roger through, but they didn't owe him anything afterward. All the stops in east Blue where Luffy got a crewmate and bonded a village to him. Etc. Roger might not have done that. So between lack of allies and his own fast approaching death, he may have simply not had the options to do what needed doing.
actually I did mentioned those points.
800 years has passed, a pirate named Roger sucessfully reach Raftel and discovered the true history. He knows exactly what to do, but unfortunately his body didn’t allow him to… he had this incurable disease, remember? whereas the project needs a lot of power and time to complete, 2 things that Roger didn’t have that time.
by 'a lot of power' I meant not Roger's fighting ability himself but the amount of people who willingly fight their lives for his cause. Marineford war had showed us 'the strongest man' title alone was barely something before the super power of the world. Eventhough Whitebeard brought many strong allies, they still suffered a total defeated. Now how about Roger who didn't seem to have any allies at all (as seen in Ed War).
So I think we actually agreed on most parts, the only thing left is what “One Piece” itself.
You know, I’ve been thinking it for a while. Judging by many theories on One Piece and everything related(void century, ancients weapon, will of D, etc) , I got this feeling that if "One Piece" took form as one absolute being –whatever it would be– it wouldn’t satisfy every reader. At least It tends to happen to any story with twisted ending.
So, would anyone agree if Oda make “One Piece” as a multi-perception things? Something like the ending of “Inception”. It may be defined as Rio Poneglyph, Ancient Weapons, goldy treasures, All Blue, or even all of them at once. Whichever you prefered is true, depending on one’s perception about the whole story.
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For me "One Piece" is Raftel itself.
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Now how about Roger who didn't seem to have any allies at all (as seen in Ed War).
Ed War doesn't really count, as Shiki and his fleet may have ambushed Roger on the ocean.
Though I can't disagree with that he didn't seem to have that much allies, as for example Squardo and a lot of other people resented him. But still that does not have to mean that there were no strong allies. -
Luffy said the same thing that Roger said once. Was it something he said in chapter romance dawn or off screen? we don’t know. Rayleigh decided to tell no more than shanks told Luffy. This scenes seemed trivial but I believe whatever Roger/Luffy said then was essential to more of their personality and ambitions.
Talking about ambition, Luffy wants to become the Pirate King. He said it clear and loud in every chance he got it honestly got boring to me. BUT for some reason…
Chapter 585
! http://i11.mangapanda.com/one-piece/585/one-piece-2423021.jpg
! http://i27.mangapanda.com/one-piece/585/one-piece-2423023.jpg
… Oda cut out this one.
The anime version executed the scene with the same manner. I’m sure this was discussed before and I think Oda cut it out on purpose. I mean why would he skipped the very statement Luffy always said every damn time? There’s only one suggestion : Luffy actually said something different at the time.
He didn’t say he wants to be the pirate king. Or maybe he did, but with an ‘unusual’ way.
Back to chapter 507, Luffy defined Pirate King as ‘the man with most freedom in the ocean’. It’s weird if you think about it because basically every pirate has the most freedom in the ocean, for they don’t subject to any law. But if you look at that curious scene of chapter 585, both scenes might be connected somehow.
There might be more to the definiton of ‘the man with most freedom in the ocean’.
Forgive me someone already said this, but I always interpreted those pages as Oda editing out information we already know about. Like, I don't think at that point in the flashback Luffy told Sabo and Ace about being Pirate King so that's why they're surprised by that. Oda also cut out Luffy punching Lord of the Coast for the same reason, and Luffy talking about how large is crew is going to be.
He did the same thing in Chapter 0 with Roger's execution. He didn't bother showing it because we've already seen it/ knew what happened.
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Ed War doesn't really count, as Shiki and his fleet may have ambushed Roger on the ocean.
Though I can't disagree with that he didn't seem to have that much allies, as for example Squardo and a lot of other people resented him. But still that does not have to mean that there were no strong allies.The only possible Roger’s ally I can think of is scholars of Ohara. The key was Rayleigh’s statement, “We and Ohara… may be a little bit too hasty”. and he did said that they were no intellect, despite of Roger's unique ability… So It’s only natural for himto ask them the favor of poneglyph discovery, or the other way around. The Oharans acted as the brain and Roger as the muscles (plus the power to hear thing).
Personally, it would be really interesting to see Roger somehow bound an alliance with Olivia’s team. Timeline wise, it’s highly possible. Olvia sailed off Ohara 27 years ago and went home 22 years ago; Roger’s pirates entered the Grandline also 20 years ago and disbanded 23 years ago. That would be 3 years of possible alliance at most.
Story wise… well it could explain where Olvia got his wanted poster from, as well as adding more sense to the whole “no pirates could reached Raftel since Roger”.
@William:
Forgive me someone already said this, but I always interpreted those pages as Oda editing out information we already know about. Like, I don't think at that point in the flashback Luffy told Sabo and Ace about being Pirate King so that's why they're surprised by that. Oda also cut out Luffy punching Lord of the Coast for the same reason, and Luffy talking about how large is crew is going to be.
He did the same thing in Chapter 0 with Roger's execution. He didn't bother showing it because we've already seen it/ knew what happened.
I don’t think you can’t compared them because we didn’t see the 3 brothers scene anywhere else before. Mind you, it is the only time Oda skipped Luffy’s signature catchphrase out of ALL the chance he got throughout the manga.
If he didn’t showed it because it’s something we have been familiar to, he could have skipped the other ones as well, don’t you think?
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@Monkey:
Oda hasn't introduced even a single thing about the world being held down by geography though. Yeah it's suggested that Mariejois probably controls travel from North/East Blues to South/West blues, but this is only a guess even.
If he was really intending such a thing to be the grand reveal, don't you think he would have shown a world reeling from geographic dictatorship?
Don't you think? I mean if he is, it's way late to start.It's not a guess, btw.
Oda had brought the same point again during Shabondy.
http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-497-page-11.html
I didn't notice it until now.Then in Norland's flashback we're told how the King is waiting for Mariejois' approval. It's confirmed.
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It's not a guess, btw.
Oda had brought the same point again during Shabondy.
http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-497-page-11.html
I didn't notice it until now.Then in Norland's flashback we're told how the King is waiting for Mariejois' approval. It's confirmed.
They're waiting for approval on leaving or entering the Grand Line (New World or Paradise).
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@Monkey:
They're waiting for approval on leaving or entering the Grand Line (New World or Paradise).
Whether there's some other method of travel from NorthEast Blues to SouthWest Blues hasn't been confirmed.I suppose you could say that, but it seems obvious to me.
We know ships coming through Mariejois need permission to pass. Norland's king asked Mariejois for permission to pass, they were coming from North Blue. They need to get to Jaya, which is located in "Paradise". Their only choice is either Reverse Mountain, or Mariejois. So they could easily sail towards the Mariejois' side of the Red Line and pass through Mariejois to get to "Paradise" and sail towards Jaya. Otherwise they don't need any permission.
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I suppose you could say that, but it seems obvious to me.
We know ships coming through Mariejois need permission to pass. Norland's king asked Mariejois for permission to pass, they were coming from North Blue. They need to get to Jaya, which is located in "Paradise". Their only choice is either Reverse Mountain, or Mariejois. So they could easily sail towards the Mariejois' side of the Red Line and pass through Mariejois to get to "Paradise" and sail towards Jaya. Otherwise they don't need any permission.
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/48237/one-piece_ch101_by_onepiecefag-nep-ece/12
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I suppose you could say that, but it seems obvious to me.
We know ships coming through Mariejois need permission to pass. Norland's king asked Mariejois for permission to pass, they were coming from North Blue. They need to get to Jaya, which is located in "Paradise". Their only choice is either Reverse Mountain, or Mariejois. So they could easily sail towards the Mariejois' side of the Red Line and pass through Mariejois to get to "Paradise" and sail towards Jaya. Otherwise they don't need any permission.
I'm not talking about the Grand Line. I'm taking about the North/East Blues versus the South/West Blues.
The ones I paired together can just cross over the Red Line to reach eachother. But the Grand Line is in the way if they want to get to the other 50% of the world (aside from Grand Line).I can't think of any other way except Mariejois, though that just seems almost too major. There might be an alternate route, maybe Mariejois lets people cross to the other Blues and only heavily regulated the Grand Line entry points.
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@Monkey:
I'm not talking about the Grand Line. I'm taking about the North/East Blues versus the South/West Blues.
The ones I paired together can just cross over the Red Line to reach eachother. But the Grand Line is in the way if they want to get to the other 50% of the world (aside from Grand Line).I can't think of any other way except Mariejois, though that just seems almost too major. There might be an alternate route, maybe Mariejois lets people cross to the other Blues and only heavily regulated the Grand Line entry points.
Something like this with the calm belt maybe?
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First of all I want to say that this theory is awesome and well thought out.
Now, my additional speculations building upon this theory:
Since Ancient Kingdom is called a kingdom and Twenty Kingdoms (TK here onwards) are also referred to as kingdoms it seems that these twenty weren't subordinate to the AK or the former would have been called the Ancient Empire or something. So instead of a rebellion this is more about two sides going to war.
Now, I don't know what the divide between the TK and the AK was, maybe what later became the TK arrived on the planet from the moon as invaders and began waging war which eventually culminated in a truce. This may be false, and isn't the important part of my theory.
The TK (or what became the TK) believed in their grandeur and splendor and wanted to show it to the world. Maybe they raised the Red Line somehow or maybe it was there before. Not important, but I personally believe that they created it somehow thus screwing up the weather and making the oceans chaotic. This would put them in an antagonistic role which fits in with what we've seen so far.
But the important bit in my theory is that they decided to build their homes atop the Red Line to symbolize their status to the world. The first war against the AK was devastating to both sides and culminated in an uneasy truce wherein the TK keep their homes atop the Red Line and the islands they've already conquered and do not attempt to invade further.
The AK later realized that the presence of the Red Line would always prevent civilization from flourishing. They decided to bring down the Red Line or part of it. I believe in the latter. The AK attempted to explain that should these two points of the Red Line be destroyed the oceans would become calmer and civilization would flourish. The TK would lose very little but at the same time the world would profit incredibly. The TK rulers opposed this vehemently due to their ego and the belief that this concession would weaken their stronghold on the Red Line.
The AK eventually decided to build weapons to accomplish this, risking another cataclysmic war to secure the future of the world. They created the ancient weapons for this purpose. The TK took up arms and went to war. This war results in destruction on both sides and maybe the TK lost most of their other bases atop the Red Line leaving behind Mariejois. We haven't been told whether there are other human settlements on top of the Red Line so until then we can only speculate on this.
The AK fails possibly through betrayal by one of its own but in its death throes leaves behind poneglyphs so that one day their plan may be accomplished by someone who inherits their legacy. The ruling class of the AKs were noble and brave and were known as the Ds. Their bloodline was attempted to be erased by the TK upon victory but the TK could not accomplish this thoroughly. The TK upon victory tighten their hold upon the entire world and attempt to make the world forget about the AK so that their status as supreme rulers is never questioned. All of the last three paragraphs occurred over the period known as the void century.
I personally believe that Dragon either is or has Uranus. It would explain why WG desperately wants him taken down and considers him a huge threat. It's also a great way of tying him into the plotline because so far the best use we can think of for the RA is that 'they'll join forces with Luffy against the WG.' But it seems to be a mundane use for the RA to just add more high tier fighters and fodder. Dragon being/having Uranus offers exciting possibilities.
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Since Ancient Kingdom is called a kingdom and Twenty Kingdoms (TK here onwards) are also referred to as kingdoms it seems that these twenty weren't subordinate to the AK or the former would have been called the Ancient Empire or something. So instead of a rebellion this is more about two sides going to war.
Almost all kingdoms you have read about were also empires in some way. It's not a technical distinction.
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@Monkey:
OF COURSE it does, what the fuck. Oda wouldn't name the entire series after it if the name was just some silly rumor.
Whitebeard and numerous Roger crewmates have called it the One Piece, and they were all privy to what it was.
"One Piece" means something. End of story.That’s why I made those questions. How does the name of the treasure reach the public? Roger’s crew or WB who spread the info? I cant see it. I cant consider a deep meaning of its name until we have better support to know the genesis of that name or how people know it.
Closest thing we have was when Usopp asked Rayleigh about it. He said “The great treasure in a single piece… is the treasure known as One Piece”. It isn’t clear however I assume from that line the first phrase explain somehow the second. So people may know the same as Usopp, but they dont know what is the treasure itself.
It may end up being related to the content but I don’t believe it will have a deep meaning such as a project name.
To me, "one piece" thing has nothing to do with any kind of leaked info.And what is that treasure in your opinion?
I agree with your idea that it's a gathering of things that are now for the first time in one place. But I doubt we agree on WHAT is gathered there…IMO, the treasure is a kind of a Pandora’s box of knowledge that reveal the evil history hidden of the void century consequently the true nature of the WG. I can only be sure about part of it, at least. The Rio Poneglyph is part of it. It is known it resides in the final island, the Poneglyph Roger took from Shandora is there. There’s nothing else we can be sure of. We may assume many puzzles poneglyph are there, that together form the Rio Poneglyph. That’s the only hint we have so far.
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@Monkey:
Almost all kingdoms you have read about were also empires in some way. It's not a technical distinction.
Almost all kingdoms we have read about are confined to one island. My point is that it is more likely that the TK were independent of the reign of the AK, and thus the conflict was not a rebellion but two sides going to war.
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Almost all kingdoms we have read about are confined to one island.
Um..I meant irl. Like where those two words are used, it's never been like "alright if this place conquered another place, we have to call it the whatever empire, and not the whatever kingdom".
And actually on that topic, when Robin is "reading" the Alabasta Poneglyph and adlibbing in history instead of Pluton stuff, she mentions some place being conquered by Alubarna.
Seemingly suggesting that Sandy Island probably used to have lots of little kingdoms or whatever on it. And eventually Alubarna/Alabasta took over the whole joint I guess. -
I don’t think you can’t compared them because we didn’t see the 3 brothers scene anywhere else before.
He kept that scene in because he added a lot of new information. I think the first flashback of that scene was like three panels?? And of course Sabo is there so he couldn't just skip over it.
Mind you, it is the only time Oda skipped Luffy’s signature catchphrase out of ALL the chance he got throughout the manga.
If he didn’t showed it because it’s something we have been familiar to, he could have skipped the other ones as well, don’t you think?
Not really. Oda wouldn't be able to skip them anyway because Luffy's pirate king talk is intertwined in the dialouge. Like he couldn't skip it when Luffy was talking to Krieg or Ener about his dream.
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But what you posted there was in fact the foundation of my theory as well, minus the explanation of "what Luffy must do to surpass Roger". If you elaborate that one, it could be more interesting.
Poseidon wasn’t born at that time. Somehow I imagine the history written on poneglyphs tells not only about the void century but a promise not fulfilled made by the prince of D to the mermaid princess. The promise become a prophecy, by the will of D, they swear someone will fulfill it one day and they recorded the message on unbreakable stones to be a reminder and never be forgotten. "Déjà vu" was shown, Luffy and Shirahoshi seal a promise, the history starts over.
The first thing Roger couldn’t do was use Poseidon. I don’t know how many ancient weapons Roger put his hands on, but Poseidon wasn’t one of them. I think all of three ancient weapons are needed to do whatever is written on the poneglyphs to be done. I cant go further. You tried to find a deep meaning with your theory that i disagree. I can see the Holy Land being destroyed along with fishman island but not with the purpose you gave. I prefer to believe the Holy Land will be the new home of fishmen, It will be the symbol of unification of the peoples, so it might be rebuilt at the same location.
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I think that Kings and Nobles moving are escorted all the way by Marines and have seastone equipped ship.
I don't think Marines use the Reverse Mountain, I just think that they're deployed either on the New World or the First Half and ship doesn't get through the Red Line.Proud Kintama Owner 
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@Monkey:
Yes but feet and wheels can.
Oh yes indeed, but we were talking about naval travel.
If you think about it Mariejoia and Reverse Mountain are the only 2 places that can be reach by boat from any sea and that makes sense to have the Reverie there.
Another hint that free travel is not possible is that Smoker asked to be deployed in the New World.
So, even Marines can't exactly travel at will.It is totally possible though that the Marine has a lift and canal system to bring the ships from one side to the another of the Red Line.
I'll leave this very interesting piece here ;)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_mundiProud Kintama Owner 
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Oh yes indeed, but we were talking about naval travel.
If you think about it Mariejoia and Reverse Mountain are the only 2 places that can be reach by boat from any sea and that makes sense to have the Reverie there.
Another hint that free travel is not possible is that Smoker asked to be deployed in the New World.
So, even Marines can't exactly travel at will.The Marines are an army, they have orders and jobs. They AREN'T free unless they quit. That's normal for armies!
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@Monkey:
The Marines are an army, they have orders and jobs. They AREN'T free unless they quit. That's normal for armies!
Yeah, but the meaningful characters so far usually don't give a crap about orders ;)
Except Kizaru and Akainu and the fodder, who else did always followed orders so far?The people so far that moved more freely in the OP world doesn't use big ships and move alone, meaning that it's easier to go from a point to its opposite without a ship.
Examples so far in appearance order if I recall it correctly
Mihawk - coffin boat
Ace - surflike boat
Aokiji - bike
Kuma
DoflaProud Kintama Owner 
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Yeah, but the meaningful characters so far usually don't give a crap about orders ;)
-Smoker
Except Kizaru and Akainu and the fodder, who else did always followed orders so far?
Literally everyone but Smoker. Some people are wonky with them, like Garp. But no one has been out and out openly flagrant except Smoker.
And I have a feeling your definition of fodder is everyone not Smoker and the Admirals and higher.
You're being willfully dense to assume military discipline doesn't exist in an army where they execute deserters and annihilate islands to the last person in the service of certain missions. This being the same army now essentially directed by Akainu the hardass.
Recall how clearly Smoker was overqualified for his job guarding Loguetown, and how he's been essentially Vice Admiral material since we first met him.
And how it's strongly been suggested this is BECAUSE of his attitude.The people so far that moved more freely in the OP world doesn't use big ships and move alone, meaning that it's easier to go from a point to its opposite without a ship.
All the things you mentioned except Dofla and Kuma are still aquatic vehicles, so what's your point here?
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Aokiji didn't followed orders ;)
Morgan and Nezumi if we want to go that far.
The same Garp bent the orders on his liking more than once.
The Morgan troops.
Holding a blow to a pirate for whatever reason is dumping an order.I mean that in theory the non flying people I mentioned could take the aquatic vehicle on their shoulder and climb the Grand Line.
I'm not saying the did it, I'm just pointing that eventually it's quicker than go around the whole world and go back to the reverse mountain every time.
Again, not stating it as a fact, just a mere observation.Proud Kintama Owner 
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Aokiji didn't followed orders ;)
When exactly did he not follow a direct order, or directly tell his superiors to fuck off. Excepting the new Fleet Admiral scuffle.
Morgan and Nezumi if we want to go that far.
Morgan was imprisoned, and Nezumi kept what he did a secret. In other words this supports my argument.
The same Garp bent the orders on his liking more than once.
Pretty sure Garp has never not followed a direct order. And mostly gets by how he does due to rank and seniority. In other words he has trust of the bosses.
The Morgan troops.
They never received an order to get Luffy. I'm not sure you know what an order is.
Not going after Luffy at that moment was akin to a cop giving a verbal warning when you really deserve a ticket.I mean that in theory the non flying people I mentioned could take the aquatic vehicle on their shoulder and climb the Grand Line.
Climb? Are you under the impression that Red Line is ALL mountain? Why does everyone think this?
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Hm…there is surely a codex of rules for the Marines.
The codex is a 24/7 order.
You're pointing to the lack of direct orders to prove your theory.
And worse, you make it sound like that if someone disobeys and no one knows, then no one opposed the rules.Aokiji and Garp not taking down a criminal with a bounty is disobeying the Marine codex.
So far the Red Line is a rocky tall wall, are you under the impressions it has beaches?
It could have beaches but it's uncorfimed so far, it's a plateau for what we know so far.
It might be taller or smaller on some spots, it MIGHT.Proud Kintama Owner 
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So what, hasn't it been stated already that the entire Red Line is a 10.000 metres high wall / continent?
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So what, hasn't it been stated already that the entire Red Line is a 10.000 metres high wall / continent?
I understood that, monkeyking thinks something else.
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MK making is just making an assumption, the RedLine is 10+ high but is it all mountain or is there something more in it besides the obvious, the CD lives up there so there's bound to be a city and ocean/river up there as well is not like the CD have an elevator to get all the way to the top, do they
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Actually MK is the last guy that can make assumptions in this forum, since he's annoying everyone with facts that he willingly spins
As far as we know the grand line is a wall of rock, really high and I really think that external lifts are he easiest thing to build.
Remember the time and people needed to build TequilaWolf and figure out the time that would be needed to make canals and dig into all that rock.The point is that we all are assuming, all but MK.
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Monkey King is not making asumptions. We see quite clearly that reverse mountain is clearly a mountain which is higher than the surrounding redline. Look it up around chapter 100. We also see that parts of the redline are around sealevel there.
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Monkey King is not making asumptions. We see quite clearly that reverse mountain is clearly a mountain which is higher than the surrounding redline. Look it up around chapter 100. We also see that parts of the redline are around sealevel there.
I just re-read chapter 101 and I don't see it. All I see is a huge wall that goes higher than the clouds, then they go up Reverse Mountain :/
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But in this shot you see the different lines that indicate how high a mountain is: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/48237/one-piece_ch101_by_onepiecefag-nep-ece/4 which is normally an indication that the top is higher than the base of the mountain. But as you said no one can really see that from the real world look on the redline.
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So according to the pic one side is totally flat then. LOL
You might have got a point, but cartography implies the use of number to determinate the heigth.
Also, the Red Line is most probably (yet unconfirmed) a Plateau http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlateauPlateau doesn't mean it's totally flat
The largest and highest plateau in the world is the Tibetan Plateau, called the "roof of the world", which is still being formed by the collisions of the Indo-Australian and Eurasiantectonic plates. In all, the Tibetan plateau covers an area of some 2.5 million square kilometres, approximately 5000 m above sea level. The height of this plateau is such that it is enough to reverse the Hadley cell convection cycles and to drive the monsoons of India towards the south.
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No it isn't totally confirmed that the mountain is really a mountain that reaches to the water level but it is a possibility. Perhaps that was just a mistake on Odas part and he really wanted a plateau that is 10000 meters high everywhere.
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Isn't the red line an aglomeration of islands?
Against facts there are no arguments.
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No it isn't totally confirmed that the mountain is really a mountain that reaches to the water level but it is a possibility. Perhaps that was just a mistake on Odas part and he really wanted a plateau that is 10000 meters high everywhere.
As I said a plateau can have multiple peaks and some more depressed areas, it's not a plain at all.
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So far the Red Line is a rocky tall wall, are you under the impressions it has beaches?
It could have beaches but it's uncorfimed so far, it's a plateau for what we know so far.
It might be taller or smaller on some spots, it MIGHT.So what, hasn't it been stated already that the entire Red Line is a 10.000 metres high wall / continent
MK making is just making an assumption, the RedLine is 10+ high but is it all mountain or is there something more in it besides the obvious, the CD lives up there so there's bound to be a city and ocean/river up there as well is not like the CD have an elevator to get all the way to the top, do they
Jesus christ lol.
It's been absolutely definitely friggin' confirmed to NOT be a monster wall on every part since chapter 101.
Seriously now. Do you people really not know how to read maps?
http://eatmanga.com/Manga-Scan/One-Piece/One-Piece-101/page-4
This is the page, and I really do hope I don't have to explain what info that map Nami has shows us about the Red Line.
It's never been stated, the parts near Grand Line are horribly tall yes, but no one has EVER said the entire thing was like that. And that map. In the first chapter to even see the Red Line. Shows how it isn't. Nor should we have assumed it was frankly.So according to the pic one side is totally flat then. LOL
You might have got a point, but cartography implies the use of number to determinate the heigth.Yeah hi, geography major. Those lines mean height. And yes it means those parts with no lines are flat right up to the water.
And hey, if you look close there are in fact a few numbers on those lines. Clearly visible if you actually own the volume like I do.
You would have to be the densest motherfucker alive to argue that those lines don't represent height. It's inarguable.
I know you got your pride issues against me or whatever, but jesus christ.Plateau doesn't mean it's totally flat
As I said a plateau can have multiple peaks and some more depressed areas, it's not a plain at all.
I suppose it might be a plateau because it's the geographic formation that fits the most the data we have so far.They aren't a pleateau. If they were there would be height lines, most likely very very crunched together, along the coast. Please highlight for us where there are height lines along the coast.
lol at comparing it to Tibet.
So yes, according to that map it's basically plains in those parts. Which is the best proof and evidence we have, as opposed to your completely reasonless assertion that the Red Line has to be tall everywhere….even though it doesn't at all for any reason.
Actually I'm pretty sure the reason is "I CANT ADMIT IM WRONG, MY PRIDE HURTS UNGH" -
"In mad world, only the mad are sane."
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Yup, islands that are 10000 meters above the sea level.
Again no! How are people still clueless on OP geography lol.
The Red Line is a long thinnish continent that runs around the entire world. We've been aware of this since the GAIMON chapter.http://eatmanga.com/Manga-Scan/One-Piece/One-Piece-022/page-14
http://eatmanga.com/Manga-Scan/One-Piece/One-Piece-022/page-15Granted those translations suck. For instance, Nami should be saying "using a certain city as the center of the Red Line" or something similar. Which by now we know must be Mariejois.
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Again no! How are people still clueless on OP geography lol.
The Red Line is a long thinnish continent that runs around the entire world. We've been aware of this since the GAIMON chapter.http://eatmanga.com/Manga-Scan/One-Piece/One-Piece-022/page-14
http://eatmanga.com/Manga-Scan/One-Piece/One-Piece-022/page-15
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Viz's (and since it's Vol.62, I believe Stephen's) translation has Nami say "In a way" before she says that….you know....with the visual aid...showing...a contiguous piece of land. Like every other single picture ever of the Red Line.
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You would have to be the densest motherfucker alive to argue that those lines don't represent height. It's inarguable.
I almost choked to death with that line
@Monkey:
Viz's (and since it's Vol.62, I believe Stephen's) translation has Nami say "In a way" before she says that….you know....with the visual aid...showing...a contiguous piece of land. Like every other single picture ever of the Red Line.
(it's not different islands, she's saying different parts have different properties similar to how different GL islands do)ahhh I see…. A mystery mountain lol
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I thought the scene where Luffy ask Zoro about his destination was anime only but seems like I was wrong
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Jesus christ lol.
It's been absolutely definitely friggin' confirmed to NOT be a monster wall on every part since chapter 101.
Seriously now. Do you people really not know how to read maps?
http://eatmanga.com/Manga-Scan/One-Piece/One-Piece-101/page-4
This is the page, and I really do hope I don't have to explain what info that map Nami has shows us about the Red Line.
It's never been stated, the parts near Grand Line are horribly tall yes, but no one has EVER said the entire thing was like that. And that map. In the first chapter to even see the Red Line. Shows how it isn't. Nor should we have assumed it was frankly.Yeah hi, geography major. Those lines mean height. And yes it means those parts with no lines are flat right up to the water.
And hey, if you look close there are in fact a few numbers on those lines. Clearly visible if you actually own the volume like I do.
You would have to be the densest motherfucker alive to argue that those lines don't represent height. It's inarguable.
I know you got your pride issues against me or whatever, but jesus christ.They aren't a pleateau. If they were there would be height lines, most likely very very crunched together, along the coast. Please highlight for us where there are height lines along the coast.
lol at comparing it to Tibet.
So yes, according to that map it's basically plains in those parts. Which is the best proof and evidence we have, as opposed to your completely reasonless assertion that the Red Line has to be tall everywhere….even though it doesn't at all for any reason.
Actually I'm pretty sure the reason is "I CANT ADMIT IM WRONG, MY PRIDE HURTS UNGH"Oh, how much you like to spin it, you piece of shit.
Basically you're an idiot that only call out names.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isocline http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isocline_(geology)#Fold_tightnessThe lines called "Isocline" do not mean how high a place is unless they have a number next to it.
The only represent areas with the same altitude.
If you would have really studied geography and cartography instead of selling yourself as a smartass, you would have learned that a map without numbers near the lines is useless.
Though I guess that a presumptuous thick like you can never learn but is good at priding himself in idiocy.So, mr monkeyass, what you see in the OnePiece map shown by Nami, is not an area at sea level, but just a plain area, at a certain undetermined high, since there are no numbers to state the heigth.
A steep, vertical high (that admittedly could exist only in a comic) doesn't need need crunched lines, only one is needed, there's a thing called scale that is every cartographer's friend.
Go study please.Anyway we're arguing over a very approximate map, in which you find things that haven't been said yet.
As of now the Red Line is a Rock wall, with different altitudes and a big plateau and no beaches.
Point is ship can't pass through it.Proud Kintama Owner 
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I don't know If I misread something but MK did say that Nami's map have numbers next to each line which are not visible in the scans but they are in the volume…. By the way he said he own that one (truth no idea)
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I don't know If I misread something but MK did say that Nami's map have numbers next to each line which are not visible in the scans but they are in the volume…. By the way he said he own that one (truth no idea)
I didn't had the time to go check my volume, Italian version, so I don't know if the numbers have been cleaned for editing purposes or not.
You can somehow read the numbers in some scanlations.
One seems to be a 200 with a 4th character I can't understand.
The point is that without a legend http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legend_(map)#Map_symbology explaining what's the scale we don't know if that's meters, yards, kilometers, miles, apples.The flawed part is also that the map has one side of the Reverse Mountain without isoclines.
NOW it's OBVIOUS that the map in a comic is to give an idea and must be pretty clear and not clusterf'ked with stuff so it would be reasonable to take the map as a sketchy version of the World and not as a Truthfact.
So far the Red Line has no beaches and we only saw this high steep vertical rocks.
The steep rock wall concept makes totally sense since it would be a natural protection for the Tenryubitou cities on the Red Line, think like a medieval castle with his moat (the 4 Blues) and the wall (Red Line)
More than likely there's a secret lift/gallery system/something connecting the upper area of Red Line with the Blues, but it's just supposition, though, seeing OnePiece world tech I personally think the lift/something else system is more likely than beaches on the Red Line.So I get pissed because MK wants to force down our throat this concept that Red Line is something different than what we have been shown by Oda.
