Maybe Joahze didn´t meant Star as the second strongest Bishokukai member nor the second strongest sous chef, but as the second strongest on the tasting scope
Toriko II: Ichiryuu's Slimy Insides!!
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Erm, Starjun was outside the Stadium at that time.
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He just entered the stadium, who said Joahze didn´t use the scope again?
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Heres Staajun!
He's like, really strong
And, um, mostly serious
But he likes to fight strong guys! This makes him smile in an evil way (though not in an too uggo way)
He fights using a sword!
And with flames!
And a flaming sword!
Please be excited over this, and his bland inoffensive design and copypasta face. Ignore the mosquito man who fights with a giant sillys traw, and the freaky guy with the bowl-cut who fights by spewing bugs, nononono THIS guy gets the official "villain Second banana" badgeNo matter how foreshadowed or earned this monicker for Staajun is, attached to his character its just groan inducing. Unless Joa offs him, its just a sign Staas gonna stay around for ages yet.
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Lol @ the people who are mad because Starjun has far more plot relevance than the other two sous chef
He just entered the stadium, who said Joahze didn´t use the scope again?
That may work.
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@The:
Heres Staajun!
He's like, really strong
And, um, mostly serious
But he likes to fight strong guys! This makes him smile in an evil way (though not in an too uggo way)
He fights using a sword!
And with flames!
And a flaming sword!
Please be excited over this, and his bland inoffensive design and copypasta face. Ignore the mosquito man who fights with a giant sillys traw, and the freaky guy with the bowl-cut who fights by spewing bugs, nononono THIS guy gets the official "villain Second banana" badgeNo matter how foreshadowed or earned this monicker for Staajun is, attached to his character its just groan inducing. Unless Joa offs him, its just a sign Staas gonna stay around for ages yet.
I would fame this on my wall if I could.
And it's not just the fact that, compared to other people in the Bishokukai who seemed to be higher up in hierarchy (the previously mentioned Kuromado, Niceny and Dores), Starjuun's design is boring and uninteresting (whereas those designs aren't), and that his personality is generic and nearly nonexistant, but even his fight was boring as crap, and if this whole thing about "intentionally going easy on Toriko cause he wants a fair fight" thing turns out to be true, then the whole boring ass talk-session will have been totally pointless since Toriko's hard-earned achievements and sturggle during this fight will have literally meant nothing if Star could finish it at any time whenever he would get bored.
I wasn't even a fan of Tommyrod but I have to admit I realy liked his fight so it's not like Star didn't have an opportunity to sway me the exact same way.
Speaking of which, is Shima seriously setting himself up to completely ignore the practicaly unseen Coco/Grinpatch fight in it's entirety ? Because I sure hope so, that five page discussion on a technique turns out Starjuun may not even have fallen pray to had he seriously wanted to win in the first place was certainly top priority !
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Maybe Joahze didn´t meant Star as the second strongest Bishokukai member nor the second strongest sous chef, but as the second strongest on the tasting scope
Wouldn't that mean he's stronger than Setsuno?
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http://www.batoto.net/read/_/171965/toriko_ch234_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/3
Welp, now I can't wait to see how strong he really is.
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@The:
Heres Staajun!
He's like, really strong
And, um, mostly serious
But he likes to fight strong guys! This makes him smile in an evil way (though not in an too uggo way)
He fights using a sword!
And with flames!
And a flaming sword!
Please be excited over this, and his bland inoffensive design and copypasta face. Ignore the mosquito man who fights with a giant sillys traw, and the freaky guy with the bowl-cut who fights by spewing bugs, nononono THIS guy gets the official "villain Second banana" badgeNo matter how foreshadowed or earned this monicker for Staajun is, attached to his character its just groan inducing. Unless Joa offs him, its just a sign Staas gonna stay around for ages yet.
Yeah I really hope he gets taken out by fake-Joa. He's already shown us all I care to see from him and Toriko needs someone else to have as a nemesis.
It's really kind of incredible how everything in Toriko is so creative and weird EXCEPT Toriko and his main rival who happen to be bland as toast.
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I know of quite a few characters in other series who started out as bland and ended turning out really awesome.
Besides, who cares if Starjun has a bland design if his fire based abilities and the mistery surrounding him are really interesting. And you wished Joa would take him out, but I'm afraid you have forgotten Starjun was stablished as Toriko's main rival from the very beggining. He'll probably outlive Midora.
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To explain why it should't catch anyone offguard that Starjun is actually the 2nd strongest in the Bishokukai I'll just quote this guy from other forums who wrote a IMO very good assessment of Toriko vs Starjun.
And re-reading the Starjun-Toriko fight, Star while being beat on by Toriko and shedding quite some litres of blood was only just getting into gear towards the end. Its like his engine had only warmed up by that point. Even before Toriko lost his leg they were trading "images" of each other's defeat however the only one who basically regenerated his lifeforce by the second was Toriko via using Food Honour. Starjun didn't. Toriko got burned and burned and maimed and burned some more, always regenerating and consuming his huge storage of energy.
In the end Toriko lost his leg and from there it went completely downhill. Star had warmed up to the point where he was bringing up the big guns; his sword was nothing but a means to cover more distance in the first place. He attacked Toriko with Burner Punch and Burning Spear which tore huge chunks out of his body, he burned then crushed his other leg and skewered him multiple times over with Burner Shot. And after all that when Toriko had sunk to the ground he asked "already lost conciousnes?" as if he was a far way from being done with that fight. He didn't have a strained look on his face and was talking normaly, not even panting that much.
Starjun absolutely dominated Toriko in the end; AGAIN. He didn't even use any dark techniques during the fight even though he had at least one available. It wasn't until that unexplained and highly mysterious manifestation of Toriko's Gourmet Cells that did some actual lasting damage to Starjun. Something that is supposedly very powerful and rare if even Jirou and Setsuno give it so much credit. Toriko normally wasn't supposed to be this strong going by the general level he displayed against Starjun. Which is probably why he got sloppy.
This is no news. Grinpatch and Tommyrod also held back when fighting Toriko. If you don't give your all from the very beggining there's a high chance you end up suffering serious damage no matter how stronger you are.
However Starjun is a special case. He didn't hold back only because he wanted some entertainment, there's an even bigger reason behind.
Really nice interpretation, really nice. I quote it.
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I know of quite a few characters in other series who started out as bland and ended turning out really awesome.
Not this again. The "He'll get better later!" argument, used to defend a character in the present. How is it that after all this time, even after an arc that puts him so squarely in focus as this, with a bigass fight, the best thing Starjun has going for him is Hype? The hope that, despite 200+ chapters to the contrary, he might turn out really interesting some day?
Besides, who cares if Starjun has a bland design if his fire based abilities and the mistery surrounding him are really interesting.
Fire based abilities are a dime a dozen, and Staa doesn't use his in any particularly novel ways. I can think of no intriguing mysteries concerning Staajun to speak of.
And you wished Joa would take him out, but I'm afraid you have forgotten Starjun was stablished as Toriko's main rival from the very beggining. He'll probably outlive Midora.
Who cares if he's the established rival. That does not make him any less boring, boring boring. In fact, him being the rival makes his boringness stand out even more.
Shonen manga has an absolutely dreadful tradition of singling out the most deriative, uninteresting, inoffensive villain and escalating him to extreme importance, and in a series otherwise known for off-the-wall designs and personalities, its extra aggravating
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Next chapter, Tommyrod bursts out of Starjun's stomach and replaces him as main rival.
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I mean Midora's already looking kind of on the meh side, we don't need both our main antagonists to look the same.
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Let's take a look at a testament of Starjun's strenght.
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/176815/toriko_ch237_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/14 http://www.batoto.net/read/_/176815/toriko_ch237_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/15 http://www.batoto.net/read/_/176815/toriko_ch237_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/16
Toriko puts a dozen layers of fork, Starjun pierces through theme like a cake. Then he takes a 60 Ren Knife Nail Gun in the torso. His reaction? GrinsEarly on he took Toriko's entire move set full. It only tore his clothes apart and broke his mask.
@The:
Not this again. The "He'll get better later!" argument, used to defend a character in the present. How is it that after all this time, even after an arc that puts him so squarely in focus as this, with a bigass fight, the best thing Starjun has going for him is Hype? The hope that, despite 200+ chapters to the contrary, he might turn out really interesting some day?
Who knows? Even if he stays the same I'll like the character anyway.
Who cares if he's the established rival. That does not make him any less boring, boring boring. In fact, him being the rival makes his boringness stand out even more.
Shonen manga has an absolutely dreadful tradition of singling out the most deriative, uninteresting, inoffensive villain and escalating him to extreme importance, and in a series otherwise known for off-the-wall designs and personalities, its extra aggravating.
It's your opinion and your problem, not mine. You guys like to take this too seriously.
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@The:
Shonen manga has an absolutely dreadful tradition of singling out the most deriative, uninteresting, inoffensive villain and escalating him to extreme importance, and in a series otherwise known for off-the-wall designs and personalities, its extra aggravating
Sadly, it's because a lot of manga fans have a (shitty) taste for those boring characters for some reasons. They seem to confuse blandness with charism, and lack of personality with badass. Also, the character has to be super strong and use fire/thunder/sword/other boring ability. Just take a look at the number of fans characters like Itachi/Sasuke, nearly all the Bleach cast, Mihawk,… to name a few have.
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Come on, don't compare Mihawk or Starjun to Itachi or Sasuke. Sasuke is a crappy brat who complains against the whole world only because his mental disorders, acting like a dark antihero full of paranoia. Itachi is a little better but, hey, he's an Uchiha, he has the same blood of his brother. And don't forget Obito, in my opinion the worst villain I've ever read of. On the other side Mihawk is an (nearly) invincible fighter, who travels alone in search for someone to fight against. He's epic.
Starjun is a chef and a bishokuya who works along his mates for a boss and an organization. He's bland only apparently, come on. He's a brutal killer without with no remorse.
I like him, and I found him one of the most interesting character of the entire series (the one above others is Midora, of course). -
I think I'll stop meddling in those pointless discussions that have a tendency to go to directions that make no sense.
Anyway, I wanted to show you something.
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/156654/toriko_ch222_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/16 http://www.batoto.net/read/_/185362/toriko_ch244_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/12
Joa knows the location of each of the legendary ingredients that form Acacia's full course, and he knows Frohze's techniques and how to handle Cinderella.
Also, no one is going to comment on the fact he's floating in mid-air currently? :ninja:
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What I find really interesting is that Jirou described Joa's intimidation as his gourmet cells showing themselves. Isn't exactly the same thing Starjun commented about Toriko's inner demon?
Because now this page makes a lot of sense.
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/170669/toriko_ch233_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/13
His inner demon is telling him that in order to gain full control over him he'll have to give him Acacia's full course. Such statement connects perfectly with Jirou's about Joa.
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What I find really interesting is that Jirou described Joa's intimidation as his gourmet cells showing themselves. Isn't exactly the same thing Starjun commented about Toriko's inner demon?
Because now this page makes a lot of sense.
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/170669/toriko_ch233_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/13
His inner demon is telling him that in order to gain full control over him he'll have to give him Acacia's full course. Such statement connects perfectly with Jirou's about Joa.
Yeah, that's what I thought of immediately as well
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Were did the gourmet cells come from again, i don't remember?
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Were did the gourmet cells come from again, i don't remember?
From the Gourmet Jellyfish Acacia discovered.
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His inner demon is telling him that in order to gain full control over him he'll have to give him Acacia's full course. Such statement connects perfectly with Jirou's about Joa.
So now we know only Acacia and Frohze in the past and, probably, THIS Joa/Frohze can full control the Gourmet Cells demon. So neither Ichiryuu nor Midora nor Jirou can instead but they could be able to partially control it.
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From the Gourmet Jellyfish Acacia discovered.
Ah thanks.
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Honestly, my guess is still that this is Frohze after being resurrected by center. I think it's also possible that Ichiryuu was the one who did it, which would explain Setsuno and Jirou not knowing (Joa would obviously know because it revived her though)
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At this point I'm inclined to believe the theory that suggests Acacia tried to revive Frohze with Center and something went horribly wrong, which in the end was his reason to not let anyone except his most trusted disciple, Ichiryuu, know about its existence. The lack of any sanctuary honoring the name of Frohze is also a good point.
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Fine chapter, I predicted long ago that Komatsu will be taken away and injected with gourmet cell or whatever this will happen slowly as we see,
I really support the theory that Joa might be related to Nitro a high class Nitro or something, Im believing it should be a higher class of Neto that can speak and write like humans remember the Nito book that found in the pyramid it was written by them, but how Joa knows about Forh skills and techniques,
Edit, Nitro have an ability to imitate the abilities of others maybe that the case here !!
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If anything, I think that the person to have the final attack in this arc is probably going to be Komatsu. The series has been subtle about it, but it really has been pushing some sort of hidden link between Komatsu and Frohze this entire time. I see some sort of Harry Potter elder wand-esque nonsense happening when Joa tries to hit Komatsu with some techinque using Cinderella. Cinderalla is going to refuse to cut Komatsu, and might actually jump to Komatsu's hand. The end result? Komatsu in some trance-like state ends up hitting Joa with a combined attack from Cinderella and the Melk knife, blasting him far away from the stadium.
The Cooking Fest has been Komatsu's arc from the beginning. Just go back to this page:
[http://www.batoto.net/read/_/141655/toriko_ch212_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/17
I](http://www.batoto.net/read/_/141655/toriko_ch212_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/17)t wouldn't surprise me if there's a reveal in the end that Komatsu has had gourmet cells for awhile now, and simply never tapped their power. If you look at all the other strong chefs with abilities, it seems odd to think that every single one of them would have undergone a gourmet cell injecting procedure. It's more likely that there are ways to naturally acquire gourmet cells by eating certain foods.
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I can understand why Starjun is no.2 in power int he bishokukai now. I believe that this only happened recently though, after he left human world for Gourmet world. We have to remember that Starjun is very driven, and in many of the scenes we've seen him in he's been looking for a certain type of ingredient (one that he apparently ate once but never learned about). Plus he now has Ootake as his combo partner, Ootake who possess almost Komatsu level food luck.
Imagine, Starjun comes to Gourmet world, hellbent on getting god, and finding this mystery ingredient. He uses his new talents to tear GW up looking for ingredients for Midora and his own goal. He eats alot of new ingredients that level up his cells severely. Then he gets Ootake, whose food luck leads Starjun to even rarer and more delicious ingredients, leveling him up even more. Soon Starjun is so powerful he is considered second only to Midora within the Bishokukai.
That's how I see it.
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If anything, I think that the person to have the final attack in this arc is probably going to be Komatsu. The series has been subtle about it, but it really has been pushing some sort of hidden link between Komatsu and Frohze this entire time. I see some sort of Harry Potter elder wand-esque nonsense happening when Joa tries to hit Komatsu with some techinque using Cinderella. Cinderalla is going to refuse to cut Komatsu, and might actually jump to Komatsu's hand. The end result? Komatsu in some trance-like state ends up hitting Joa with a combined attack from Cinderella and the Melk knife, blasting him far away from the stadium. It wouldn't surprise me if there's a reveal in the end that Komatsu has had gourmet cells for awhile now, and simply never tapped their power. If you look at all the other strong chefs with abilities, it seems odd to think that every single one of them would have undergone a gourmet cell injecting procedure. It's more likely that there are ways to naturally acquire gourmet cells by eating certain foods.
Komatsu's gotten incredibly broken food luck and everybody loves him for his kindness. Komatsu gaining fighting abilities both undermines what he stands for as a character and giving him fighting abilities along with his incredibly broken abilities to gather ingredients would just make him too powerful with no flaws. I can see some abilities given to him for self defense purposes (and even that's more or less handled with his broken knife), but that's the most I see him doing. It's more or less summed up with Starjun's words on the page. http://www.batoto.net/read/_/179319/toriko_ch239_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/13
As for Starjun. Everybody pretty much picked apart my problems with it. Toriko's fight and prowess in the last fight gets undermined completely if Starjun was just playing with him and makes the length of the fight even sillier and more tedious in hindsight. There's less significance/importance for the other characters if he's the #2 guy in the Bishokukai. And he's still bland/boring and this just feels like another attempt to hype him up instead of just letting the guy just earn his popularity like the other Sous Chefs, though I will say Shima drawing his flames can be pretty visually amazing. This page in particular is a good example. As for a more positive discussion, I gotta agree with Skadi in that it's nice Joie kept the jester uniform.
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In worse news, seems like opening weekend for the Toriko movie was mediocre..
From mangahelpers and other various sources.:
Toriko's movie debuts at 8th position, for the weekend, with ¥55,361,400 (US $565,000) from179 screens.For comparison, the latest Gintama movie had opened with **¥281,776,256 (US $2,821,707) from **127 screens, during the weekend.
here's the source******** [http://www.kogyotsushin.com/archives/weekend/
8 (-) Toriko the Movie: Bishokushin's Special Menu (Toei) DEBUT!
Toriko did what it could on 179 screens, debuting with a mediocre ¥55,361,400 ($565,000) with 48,720 admissions over the weekend.](http://www.kogyotsushin.com/archives/weekend/)
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I'm sure it's probably mentioned, but just to let you know
The editorial preview comment still referred to Joa as the mysterious "man". -
Well, we don't know who Joa really is, so he/she could be a man, a woman or..a Nitro (I remember Nitro were said to have no sexual gender so man, woman, it's the same, rather, these don't exist).
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It would be fun to see a Nitro with a short beak and some high intellect trying to bring his kind to its glory days.
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I'm sure it's probably mentioned, but just to let you know
The editorial preview comment still referred to Joa as the mysterious "man".Are we sure Frohze wasn't a man?
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Are we sure Frohze wasn't a man?
[http://www.batoto.net/read/_/181770/toriko_ch241_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/19
T](http://www.batoto.net/read/_/181770/toriko_ch241_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/19)here's the outline of a breast to the left side of the last speech bubble.
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Frohze is one of the few females that Shimabu actually managed to make quite femenine in body shap. THere is no doubt. Also, for Frohze they do refer to her as female.
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I'm sure it's probably mentioned, but just to let you know
The editorial preview comment still referred to Joa as the mysterious "man".May I ask if you've been checking kewl's translation with what you read? kewl has been amazing so far as far as i know but since can't see him here very often anymore i'd like to ask this to you.
As a person on the train that we'll see the civilised Nitros which can communicate through language and not savage-like as we have been introduced so far my gut tells me Frohze isn't nitro material. I pick the revived-frohze theory because it would explain why information about CENTER was hidden to any other than Ichiryuu.
But still, when we're finished with this world outer realms should Nitros as a civilised race.
And the more i read the story more i think Bishokukai about more of a competitor and not the evil vibe. To me for a reason, Frohze's revival and her dark techniques maybe, Acacia thought outer realms as the source of this fault. There must be a reason for he didn't seek this outer world and his three disciples didn't seek it too. Midora was portrayed as the faulty person in the three disciples but in this grand schedule he seems to be just the arrogant type, nothing more.
I just can't seem to understand why the three disciple aren't looking for a way to get to beyond GOD. It's been hindsighted that Acacia's Full Course has something to do with controlling your inner hunger/demon/appettite. Is it that because they can't control their inner demon that they can't go past this world. And is it because why Frohze can and is going for it since she ate Acacia's full course? All the possibilities…
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Everybody is entitled to their opinion. You may say Starjun has a bland design and maybe personality, too. You can like others better than him and nothing would happen to you.
But if you put that aside and take a good look around you, you'll understand that there hasn't been any other Bishokukai member who achieved as much as Starjun.
Is there somebody else in the organization who:
Made the main character shat on his pants with just his presence.
http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/3660/191.0/compressed/dtoriko_191_003.jpg?v=11339638062
Looked down on a legendary and renowned cook.
http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/3660/191.0/compressed/dtoriko_191_004.jpg?v=11339638062
http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/3660/191.0/compressed/dtoriko_191_016.jpg?v=11339638062The only Bishokukai member who tamed a Gourmet World beast: the Big Bang Shark.
The only Bishokukai member who lives in his own custom made castle.
Despite he has fought stronger creatures, he states he has never seen his limits.
http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/3660/234.0/compressed/gtoriko_234_004-005.jpg?v=11369274230
How many hits he took from Toriko and acted like he was being biten by mosquitoes? The only real damage he received was from a not foreseen attack, and despite this he still had a Dark Technique.
Starjun is clearly one of the few individuals in the Stadium who can level up the entire island.
http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/3660/231.0/compressed/gtoriko_231_013.jpg?v=11366772824
And also, who in the world is in the frontline and leads an entire Bishokukai army?
Name just one Bishokukai member with the same feats as him.
And I think Shima chose a really appropiate time to state through Joa's incredible knowledge that Starjun is actually the 2nd strongest in the organization. Emphasis to the "2nd strongest" part, written using a different font-type. If the last panel is any indication, the roaring thunder noise in the background, as well as the looks on both Jirou and Setsuno, suggest Starjun is about to pull a really big one.
Also, seeing him talk about Gido made me recall that Coco when he defeated the new recruitment foretold he would die. A few hours later Gido died misteriously without leaving a trace.
Since Starjun knew about NEO, there's no doubt anymore Ichiryuu also knew, and he snuck some double-agents into.
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Or the Roaring Thunder noise in the background is Zebra about to break free, because everyone is getting too cocky. :ninja:
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Everybody is entitled to their opinion. You may say Starjun has a bland design and maybe personality, too. You can like others better than him and nothing would happen to you.
But if you put that aside and take a good look around you, you'll understand that there hasn't been any other Bishokukai member who achieved as much as Starjun.
Is there somebody else in the organization who:
Made the main character shat on his pants with just his presence.
http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/3660/191.0/compressed/dtoriko_191_003.jpg?v=11339638062
Looked down on a legendary and renowned cook.
http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/3660/191.0/compressed/dtoriko_191_004.jpg?v=11339638062
http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/3660/191.0/compressed/dtoriko_191_016.jpg?v=11339638062The only Bishokukai member who tamed a Gourmet World beast: the Big Bang Shark.
The only Bishokukai member who lives in his own custom made castle.
Despite he has fought stronger creatures, he states he has never seen his limits.
http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/3660/234.0/compressed/gtoriko_234_004-005.jpg?v=11369274230
How many hits he took from Toriko and acted like he was being biten by mosquitoes? The only real damage he received was from a not foreseen attack, and despite this he still had a Dark Technique.
Starjun is clearly one of the few individuals in the Stadium who can level up the entire island.
http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/3660/231.0/compressed/gtoriko_231_013.jpg?v=11366772824
And also, who in the world is in the frontline and leads an entire Bishokukai army?
Name just one Bishokukai member with the same feats as him.
And I think Shima chose a really appropiate time to state through Joa's incredible knowledge that Starjun is actually the 2nd strongest in the organization. Emphasis to the "2nd strongest" part, written using a different font-type. If the last panel is any indication, the roaring thunder noise in the background, as well as the looks on both Jirou and Setsuno, suggest Starjun is about to pull a really big one.
Also, seeing him talk about Gido made me recall that Coco when he defeated the new recruitment foretold he would die. A few hours later Gido died misteriously without leaving a trace.
Since Starjun knew about NEO, there's no doubt anymore Ichiryuu also knew, and he snuck some double-agents into.
I don't think you get it. People couldn't possibly care less about Starjuns long list of strength feats, because Starjun himself is so incredibly uninteresting. Thus, people are annoyed that a series crawling with more entertaining characters pushes King Bland into focus. Foreshadowing of his strength matters diddly squat, in the end its simply a matter of an entertaining series choosing to focus on one of its least entertaining elements.
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I don't think you get it. People couldn't possibly care less about Starjuns long list of strength feats, because Starjun himself is so incredibly uninteresting.
But…you think this, that Starjun is incredibly uninteresting. For example I like him very much. And I know people who have Starjun as their favourite character of the entire series.
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Komatsu's gotten incredibly broken food luck and everybody loves him for his kindness. Komatsu gaining fighting abilities both undermines what he stands for as a character and giving him fighting abilities along with his incredibly broken abilities to gather ingredients would just make him too powerful with no flaws. I can see some abilities given to him for self defense purposes (and even that's more or less handled with his broken knife), but that's the most I see him doing. It's more or less summed up with Starjun's words on the page. http://www.batoto.net/read/_/179319/toriko_ch239_by_hi-wa-mata-noboru/13
Every single top chef in the Torikoverse is at least competent in fighting techniques. They're not as strong as equal rank hunters, but they're all proportionately pretty strong. It's really silly to think that Komatsu is somehow going to be the lone exception that stays a weakling for the duration of the series. Komatsu in the end is probably going to end up being a Usopp style character with random bursts of hyper powered CoC equivalent in the Torikoverse(from some hidden ability.) He'll never be close to the guy people depend on for day to day fighting, but his average fighting ability is going to go up a ton as the series goes on.
Thinking that Komatsu is going to stay weak is about as non-sensical as thinking that Usopp would continue to be useless in combat based on the first few arcs of One Piece.
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No, I think for the sake of the character Komastu must remain a shit in terms of fighting abilities. He's unique for this too.
He doesn't need to be albe to fight, he has such a multitude of friends and defenders that he really doesn't need to develop fighting abilities.
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But…you think this, that Starjun is incredibly uninteresting. For example I like him very much. And I know people who have Starjun as their favourite character of the entire series.
Obviously it will be the favourite character of many people: he's a generic fanbait character. And quantity of fans =/= quality.
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Obviously it will be the favourite character of many people: he's a generic fanbait character. And quantity of fans =/= quality.
This counter-argument is really really bad, and really really overused.
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Zaus is on the spine of Volume 26.
Sorry, Skadi, Grinpatch is still getting screwed over. Though there are quite an amount of character left imo who've earned one.
Like Livebearer and Chiyo. :X -
No, I think for the sake of the character Komastu must remain a shit in terms of fighting abilities. He's unique for this too.
He doesn't need to be albe to fight, he has such a multitude of friends and defenders that he really doesn't need to develop fighting abilities.
Plus, he got Derous Kitchen Knife.I'd like Komatsu to stay as he is now too. But i don't think if we go by the Toriko-world facts he shouldn't be able to live in Gourmet World don't you think? Ozone herb arc displayed some possibilities for Komatsu to stay the way he is but i think Gourmet World is at a level that impossible for an ordinary human to just breathe in it.
About Starjun… People hate him because of ...Bleach, i think. What Kubo tried to do with almost all of his character in his series is the treatment Starjun gets. Just because we are full of with characters that has that bland, deep, mysterious looking we can't have more characters like that. I personally like Starjun and his so far bland portrayal seems to fit him and is a trait which seems to exist in Midora too.
Shima is trying to introduce his feeling and character with us with those bland looks. Yes, other fights are more brutal, more raw, more emotional which what makes Toriko good so far but Starjun is out of all that. Is typical. But i get it.
And him being the number 2 in power only supports and explains why he is the bland type he is. I think people need to give some more time for his character to develop and see it at the big picture. Because i trust Shima will show Starjun's character develop and we'll how Starjun will find himself, his raw self when he gets to have someone, probably Toriko, mirror him in a way. Reading existential nihilisim today i can see some good hard elements in Starjun regarding that. He struggles for some inner value, which in this series is ingredient, so his existence can make sense and he can find himself and be 'happy.' The way he is, he is kind of lost. -
If anything, I can see Komatsu getting gourmet cells to have the ability to adapt to different environments, but that's about it. Not any fighting abilities. He's loved by all ingredients. I feel like anybody with even decent fighting abilities probably wouldn't have that ability which makes Komatsu more special. Ad even then, his food luck might be so strong the universe will roger him anyways. As whenever that fails someone like Zebra can pick up the slack.
@ZP1 the Usopp argument doesn't really work either because he's at least aiming to become stronger. Komatsu might want to improve his skills, but that doesn't necessarily mean beating up ingredients/animals/people.
And I don't even get the fan air argument. Starjun doesn't have bishie looks, right?