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He said it smother it not burn it. As in fire can't burn with dirt on it making Ace a normal human facing lava wich is basically hot dirt. But since Ace got burn people said fuck the explanation and decided Akainu said he was hotter.
Oh, makes sense. It's just that I often see scans and even anime translations that say something akin to this:
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But if you know for sure that the official VIZ translation said that lava smothers fire, then thank you for correcting me.
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@Don:
Akainu not ending up as a villain Luffy has to face, is hard to swallow for me.
What was the purpose of Sabo getting the mera mera no mie, when the important factor of him overcoming someone like Akainu, would be his haki in the end.
So him gaining the ability of his brother had which purpose?
Showing the potential Ace couldn´t show you say, well that implies Sabo will make more out of this ability than Ace himself.
That at least diminishes Ace´s legacy in my eyes, cause i simply doubt Ace wasn´t able to achieve the full potential of the mera mera no mie, even when the course of the story didn´t allow that to be shown at Marineford.Actually, it falls completely in line with the theme of inherited will that's been expressed throughout this series. Surpassing your predecessor doesn't mean you discredit them lol. If anything, One Piece strives to show how it gives credibility to their causes and potential abilities. Why CAN'T Sabo make more out of this ability than Ace did? You're basically making an argument that if, say, somebody improves on a type of formula or concept somebody else invented in real life, then it means that the inventor is dumb. Which is completely false because life is all about standing on the shoulders of giants and taking advantage of their progress with our contextual influences to add on to their work, which gives credit to both people involved in that line of work.
Some may not like it, but Sabo is Ace 2.0, stepping into the story after the loss of Ace and later even gaining his ability.
You might think he would be wasted, when he loses to Akainu, but let´s face it, we will always follow Luffy`s story and Sabo will be another tool to achieve his dream.
Luffy was there to save Ace and had to witness his brother sacrificing himself for Luffy.
Luffy even gained that mark on his chest, that will be a reminder of his weakness at that moment.
Getting redemption and having a second opportunity to finally save his brother and showing he has exactly gained what he missed the first time, seems to be more satisfying for Luffy´s journey than having Ace 2.0 handle the situation.
Sabo might get his time to shine before that against other strong opponents, but Akainu is one of the main bad guys of the story, someone Luffy has the duty to defeat in my opinion.
Law is a similar case, who also had to give away the final beat-down to Luffy.
Sabo might be an important factor just like Law was with Doffy, but Luffy handles those bad guys in the end.I understand the Doflamingo connection, especially with how many people were upset that Law couldn't defeat Doflamingo on his own to fulfill his revenge. But Sabo is on a MUCH different plane of plot relevance than an ally like Law. He's the freaking older brother of our protagonist lol. Yes, we follow Luffy's story throughout One Piece, but it's also known for its worldbuilding and simultaneously giving different characters fights. The Final War won't be restricted to one place like Marineford, it's most likely going to be a worldwide conflict. Luffy can't and shouldn't be everywhere at once himself, which is why he is building up so many allies with both the Grand Fleet and all of the islands he saves and inspires. Having Ace 2.0 defeat Akainu would be more satisfying to the narrative to show that Also, you credit Luffy for watching his death first-hand, but Sabo has profound inner turmoil over his amnesia preventing him from being in Marineford to save Ace and Luffy. If anything, I would bet on Sabo showing to save Luffy somehow lol. You might say that is a shameful portrayal of Luffy with how he condemned himself for being too weak, which does make sense. But the latest chapter of One Piece just had Jimbei rescue Luffy for a FOURTH time, the second specifically post-timeskip. So Oda don't have any major issues with showcasing Luffy needing help and being flawed. Although Sabo did sort of save Luffy already from Burgess lol.
Even when i say Sabo will be the one overcoming Akainu, we know a fight between Luffy and Sabo won´t happen (at least not one who the real stronger person will be defined) and so we would have in the end the situation that it´s anybody's guess who is truly stronger and i highly doubt Oda will leave it like that.
Even when we have the theme of Luffy accomplishing his quest by the aids of many people, i can´t see Oda having Luffy and Sabo defeat one main bad guy in the end and leaving the "who is truly stronger" so open.
Especially when for Sabo it isn´t necessary to defeat the marine, but rather the WG.
So Sabo going against the Gorousei to topple the world order, makes a more fitting goal for him.But why is it essential to prove who's stronger? I doubt we'll ever see Luffy fight Shanks, Garp, or Dragon in a fair fight. That doesn't mean we can't assume Luffy is stronger when he becomes, I don't know, the freaking Pirate King lol. And I would argue that it's more fitting for Dragon to take on the Gorosei. Although Luffy and Sabo can help out.
By the way, when I say all of this, I do not meant to give the impression that I don't think Luffy should ever meet Akainu again or even briefly fight him. I would totally love to see that. I just don't think he should do so to the point of delivering a final blow to end his regime. To be quite honest, I don't think that it should be a pirate who brings an end to Akainu's corrupt regime. I think it would hold more weight if a Revolutionary or rebel Marine did so in order to redefine what justice means. Especially since Luffy doesn't care about being a hero and only wants to selfishly protect his friends and the ideals of piracy/freedom.
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Wait, wasn't Coby standing in front of Akainu a clear cut foreshadowing of their fight during he final war?!
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@Tamiel:
Wait, wasn't Coby standing in front of Akainu a clear cut foreshadowing of their fight during he final war?!
Hoping for Coby to fight an Admiral, nonetheless the current Fleet Admiral in Akainu, on equal footing at this juncture of the story is like still expecting Smoker and Tashigi to give Luffy and Zoro good fights respectively.
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@Count:
Actually, it falls completely in line with the theme of inherited will that's been expressed throughout this series. Surpassing your predecessor doesn't mean you discredit them lol. If anything, One Piece strives to show how it gives credibility to their causes and potential abilities. Why CAN'T Sabo make more out of this ability than Ace did? You're basically making an argument that if, say, somebody improves on a type of formula or concept somebody else invented in real life, then it means that the inventor is dumb. Which is completely false because life is all about standing on the shoulders of giants and taking advantage of their progress with our contextual influences to add on to their work, which gives credit to both people involved in that line of work.
I would put it more like both using the same tool, but one turns out to be more skillful using it :)
I see the inherit will point and it definitely could also work as a satisfying explanation why Sabo should overcome Akainu, but i personally don´t see it as the most appealing point to showcase that fire will overcome lava in the end.
Akainu used those words to show that he isn´t effected by Ace´s ability and that he still can burn a guy made out of fire.
In my eyes no need to redeem the mera mera no mie as the superior ability in the end.
On that note, does Ace have to be redeemed?
Afterall he wasn´t fighting Akainu, he was SACRIFICING himself for his younger brother, taking a direct hit that was aimed at Luffy, who couldn´t dodge or prevent it.
So Luffy being in that situation unable to save himself was the main reason why Ace lost his life not Ace´s inability to fight on equal terms with Akainu.I understand the Doflamingo connection, especially with how many people were upset that Law couldn't defeat Doflamingo on his own to fulfill his revenge. But Sabo is on a MUCH different plane of plot relevance than an ally like Law. He's the freaking older brother of our protagonist lol. Yes, we follow Luffy's story throughout One Piece, but it's also known for its worldbuilding and simultaneously giving different characters fights. The Final War won't be restricted to one place like Marineford, it's most likely going to be a worldwide conflict. Luffy can't and shouldn't be everywhere at once himself, which is why he is building up so many allies with both the Grand Fleet and all of the islands he saves and inspires. Having Ace 2.0 defeat Akainu would be more satisfying to the narrative to show that Also, you credit Luffy for watching his death first-hand, but Sabo has profound inner turmoil over his amnesia preventing him from being in Marineford to save Ace and Luffy. If anything, I would bet on Sabo showing to save Luffy somehow lol. You might say that is a shameful portrayal of Luffy with how he condemned himself for being too weak, which does make sense. But the latest chapter of One Piece just had Jimbei rescue Luffy for a FOURTH time, the second specifically post-timeskip. So Oda don't have any major issues with showcasing Luffy needing help and being flawed. Although Sabo did sort of save Luffy already from Burgess lol.
Helping Luffy in every possible scenario, so that he is able to do the final touch is a running theme, so no problems with that.
But having such a different ideology ,like Akainu displays it, will always be something Luffy handles/changes in defeating his enemy / destroying their dream.
Sabo will help out and even get his fights against huge names, because like you said, it´s a worldwide event that needs everywhere people to defeat big names, but we´re talking about Akainu the head of the marine and the front figure of absolute justice, so the main protagonist has to handle it.
I totally agree that Sabo, the kid who saw how rotten this world is, has to have a shining moment to end his quest and overcome this regime he is fighting against.And I would argue that it's more fitting for Dragon to take on the Gorosei
But not Sabo ? They both are the ones dreaming of taking down that regime.
Sabo isn´t against the marine and so his moment has to be connected to the WG.!
They say it themselves, that Akainu and the marine are just the surface of Sabo´s real enemy, so defeating Akainu would only bring him redemption for Ace, but nothing to gain for his own goal, which almost makes it impossible for a final fight, when Sabo wouldn´t even fulfill all HIS goals with it.
And i hope you can agree, that Akainu should be at least an antagonist, who leaves the one person defeating him a bit more satisfied in his overall quest :)
Otherwise said, when Sabo would be the one defeating Akainu, he still would need another fight/whatever to achieve his goal.
And Akainu doesn´t seem to be the villain Oda will treat like that, unless it´s our main protagonists, who has someone like BB as his final opponent but on a whole other subject. (becoming PK, which Akainu isn´t interested at all in)And while it was a haunting scenario for Sabo to realize the loss of his brother, he still has HIS goals in sight and isn´t hunting down the guy who killed Ace.
Sabo is one of the few people who know that Ace lived his dream and that him dying while doing so was unfortunate, but nothing Ace didn´t calculate.
That said he definitely won´t forgive Akainu for what he has done, but it isn´t his first priority, unlike bringing down the WG for good, that has plenty of option for him to take out big guys.
Luffy also hasn´t the priority to take Akainu down, but he has everything against Akainu Sabo has to offer, plus personal history of being the one who needed protection + being the main protagonist of this story, while Akainu was pretty early on displayed as a main baddie of this series.But why is it essential to prove who's stronger? I doubt we'll ever see Luffy fight Shanks, Garp, or Dragon in a fair fight. That doesn't mean we can't assume Luffy is stronger when he becomes, I don't know, the freaking Pirate King lol. And I would argue that it's more fitting for Dragon to take on the Gorosei. Although Luffy and Sabo can help out.
But Sabo is on a MUCH different plane of plot relevance than an ally like Law. He's the freaking older brother of our protagonist lol.
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That´s why, because overcoming his brother is one step to the title of PK, even when Sabo isn´t after the OP, but we already agreed on him being still Ace 2.0 ;)
So for a shonen manga it´s simply common to showcase in some way that Luffy has surpassed those he couldn´t beat even once in his past.
Or else Sabo could always have this mindset!
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@Don:
I would put it more like both using the same tool, but one turns out to be more skillful using it :)
I don't really think that's a good way to put it, because that makes it sound like how skillful you are with a tool solely depends on natural talent rather than effort and taking example from others like the predecessor.
I see the inherit will point and it definitely could also work as a satisfying explanation why Sabo should overcome Akainu, but i personally don´t see it as the most appealing point to showcase that fire will overcome lava in the end.
Akainu used those words to show that he isn´t effected by Ace´s ability and that he still can burn a guy made out of fire.
In my eyes no need to redeem the mera mera no mie as the superior ability in the end.It's not so much that it's just about proving Akainu wrong. But it makes for that much more of an effective battle. If we, the audience, are led to believe that Akainu is correct about his Devil Fruit being superior to Ace's, then that makes a battle with Sabo and Sabo winning that much more suspenseful, exciting, surprising, and satisfying. Do you catch my drift? There all sorts of moments throughout fiction where villains exploit a weakness or have a natural advantage over the protagonist, but they still use their wits and willpowers to overcome their foes and show that they are more than the sum of their parts. And that they don't just rely on their powers as a crutch. That was basically what we saw in battles like Zoro versus Mr. 1.
On that note, does Ace have to be redeemed?
Afterall he wasn´t fighting Akainu, he was SACRIFICING himself for his younger brother, taking a direct hit that was aimed at Luffy, who couldn´t dodge or prevent it.
So Luffy being in that situation unable to save himself was the main reason why Ace lost his life not Ace´s inability to fight on equal terms with Akainu.Isn't the fact that Ace couldn't have a proper fight with Akainu and had to sacrifice himself to save Luffy, thus making us not know whether Ace could have truly won that fight, support Sabo beating Akainu to give credit to Ace's strength even MORE? Because Sabo would represent an Ace who wasn't held back by a burden like pre-timeskip Luffy, who Akainu underhandedly took advantage of to act smug and obliterate Ace behind his back. Literally lol.
Helping Luffy in every possible scenario, so that he is able to do the final touch is a running theme, so no problems with that.
But having such a different ideology ,like Akainu displays it, will always be something Luffy handles/changes in defeating his enemy / destroying their dream.
Sabo will help out and even get his fights against huge names, because like you said, it´s a worldwide event that needs everywhere people to defeat big names, but we´re talking about Akainu the head of the marine and the front figure of absolute justice, so the main protagonist has to handle it.
I totally agree that Sabo, the kid who saw how rotten this world is, has to have a shining moment to end his quest and overcome this regime he is fighting against.It is a running theme, I admit that. But akin to the typical arc structure. There are times when Luffy can't beat the enemy and has to hand them off to somebody else or retreat. Like with Mihawk, Aokiji, Kizaru, and the Marineford War. And if Big Mom doesn't get taken down this arc and most likely gets defeated by somebody else (such as the Marines or Blackbeard Pirates) from the Totland arc weakening her forces, that gives even more credit to someone other than Luffy taking down Akainu. It doesn't have to be Luffy does the job. He should probably be around and present to witness it, but that's as far as I say his protagonist privilege merits him.
But not Sabo ? They both are the ones dreaming of taking down that regime.
Sabo isn´t against the marine and so his moment has to be connected to the WG.! http://i5.mangareader.net/one-piece/793/one-piece-5789137.jpg
They say it themselves, that Akainu and the marine are just the surface of Sabo´s real enemy, so defeating Akainu would only bring him redemption for Ace, but nothing to gain for his own goal, which almost makes it impossible for a final fight, when Sabo wouldn´t even fulfill all HIS goals with it.
And i hope you can agree that Akainu should be at least an antagonist who leaves the one person defeating him a bit more satisfied in his overall quest :)
And while it was a haunting scenario for Sabo to realize the loss of his brother, he still has HIS goals in sight and isn´t hunting down the guy who killed Ace.
Sabo is one of the few people who know that Ace lived his dream and that him dying while doing so was unfortunate, but nothing Ace didn´t calculate.
That said he definitely won´t forgive Akainu for what he has done, but it isn´t his first priority, unlike bringing down the WG for good, that has plenty of option for him to take out big guys.
Luffy also hasn´t the priority to take Akainu down, but he has everything against Akainu Sabo has to offer, plus personal history of being the one who needed protection + being the main protagonist of this story, while Akainu was pretty early on displayed as a main baddie of this series.Ew, Mangapanda scans. XD Sorry, I got a bit needlessly off-track.
Sabo hasn't openly expressed an obligation to go against the Marines specifically, true. But they go hand-in-hand with the World Government, they shouldn't be separated. And unlike Dragon, Sabo has personal investment with Ace's death. Which was directly caused by Akainu. AND Sabo inherited Ace's fruit. Which could also be symbolic of inheriting his will (although Luffy also probably inherited it, it doesn't just have to be one person lol). Dragon has only shown a pure distaste for the establishment and is the head of the Revolutionaries. And we still haven't seen his flashback yet, which probably has notable connections to the previous king of Goa before Stelly and the World Government since Garp tried to coerce Luffy and Ace become Marines so much. It would make sense if Dragon faced the head honchos of the World Government in that respect. And the Gorosei have to fight somebody with the battle scars and swords they have lol. Also, think about it this way. Sabo is the Chief of Staff of the Revolutionaries, which is basically a fancy way of saying he's second-in-command. If Dragon, the first-in-command, takes on the World Government's first-in-command, doesn't it make sense if Sabo handles the person right below that on the ladder? That only leaves Kong and Akainu, and he has more against the latter than how nobody ever acknowledges the former outside of one or two scenes (if Kong truly did order Doflamingo to assassinate Moria).
The Marines may just be the "surface", but they are still the essential military component and face of the government. The Gorosei are just talking smack because they're in charge and can push Akainu around. But that doesn't mean they LITERALLY think their government's executive branch is expendable, that would be silly. People look too much into lines like that and how Akainu accuses them of being the Celestial Dragons' "puppets", as if they will automatically do whatever the Tenryuubito as if they are the ones in charge. They're just the noblest of nobles that the Gorosei have to try appeasing because they're spoiled brats while balancing world affairs. It's the Gorosei who gives them power at the end of the day, not the other way around. Especially if the Gorosei THEMSELVES are Celestial Dragons, for all we know. "Surface" isn't a synonym for "not important".
Now that I'm thinking about all of this, I could actually make the argument that Luffy is better suited towards confronting the Celestial Dragons or Gorosei with Dragon than Akainu. Mainly due to the trauma inflicted from hearing about how Sabo got blown up by a Celestial Dragon, as well as how he punched Charloss in Sabaody and his sister claiming to want revenge one day. Luffy and Sabo share a lot of the same reasons, but the former has much more on his plate and is aligns himself as a pirate at the end of the day. Not a hero that wants to selflessly save everybody for the sake of it than for selfish reasons (even if they can be for the sake of others). Sabo, as a Revolutionary, has the opposite perspective of essentially wanting to be a hero for the people due to the World Government's oppression and conspiracies. Much more impactful thematic relevance comes from Sabo defeating Akainu than Luffy doing so just because Akainu irrationally believes all pirates are evil.
Additionally, Luffy still has HIS goals in sight first and foremost and isn't obsessed with hunting down the guy who killed Ace either. And he probably won't have the time or consideration to do so because he'll be trying to find the guy who killed Shanks by that time in the story. XD
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That´s why, because overcoming his brother is one step to the title of PK, even when Sabo isn´t after the OP, but we already agreed on him being still Ace 2.0 ;)
So for a shonen manga it´s simply common to showcase in some way that Luffy has surpassed those he couldn´t beat even once in his past.
Or else Sabo could always have this mindset! http://i2.mangareader.net/one-piece/159/one-piece-58345.jpg
and Luffy should show us readers somehow that his older brothers don´t have to worry or sacrifice themselves for him, but that he is the one being able to save them. Something that is important for Luffy (being able to protect those he loves), to see himself as the PK.That is indeed very interesting. I can't really offer an answer as to how Luffy can definitively fight Sabo. Unless Luffy and Dragon get off on the wrong foot with their different ideologies as a plot-twist of how everybody expects this father and son duo to meet, which I would love to see (nothing all that serious, just something like the Luffy versus Jimbei fight in Fishman Island).
But Sabo and Ace having that mindset has never been portrayed negatively by Oda though. If anything, Ace's perspective was meant to give credit to how Luffy's friends, his crewmates, are able to support him and are essential for making him capable of becoming the Pirate King. Luffy doesn't have have to show that they don't have to worry because his crew already does that for them. This is a series that is all about advocating friendship and bonds as the one true source that gives meaning to adventure, rewards, and overcoming our struggles. Luffy showing that he has Sabo's back would be cool and it's very possible, but it's not essential in the form of having to defeat Akainu and save Sabo. Because Luffy's whole shtick is needing others to support him in areas he's not good at. That was why he gave that speech to Arlong about what each of his crewmates are good at and how the one thing Luffy is proficient in is kicking ass.
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@Count:
I don't really think that's a good way to put it, because that makes it sound like how skillful you are with a tool solely depends on natural talent rather than effort and taking example from others like the predecessor.
Sabo never met Ace while he had his ability, so him really taking example from Ace isn´t the case.
He obviously heard from Ace and his fire-fist, showcasing this with his first attack in the Colosseum, but Ace couldn´t give Sabo any hints how to effectively use such an ability.It's not so much that it's just about proving Akainu wrong. But it makes for that much more of an effective battle. If we, the audience, are led to believe that Akainu is correct about his Devil Fruit being superior to Ace's, then that makes a battle with Sabo and Sabo winning that much more suspenseful, exciting, surprising, and satisfying. Do you catch my drift? There all sorts of moments throughout fiction where villains exploit a weakness or have a natural advantage over the protagonist, but they still use their wits and willpowers to overcome their foes and show that they are more than the sum of their parts. And that they don't just rely on their powers as a crutch.
I agree that the protagonist has to use his willpower to overcome the villain.
I don´t deny that Sabo vs Akainu would also be an effective battle that´s exciting to witness, but just proofing that one line from Akainu´s superior ability wrong, isn´t compelling enough for me for it to happen.I won´t go on and reply to the rest of your points, because they´re simply my points seen from your perspective.
You like to see Sabo being the one hinted to and it´s obviously a reasonable guess.
I actually prefer it, that we interpret these points differently, because normally we tend to agree more on subjects :D
So it will be more interesting to see how it turns out in the future, especially when we have more interactions between the mentioned characters to discuss it with some new shed light.I can't really offer an answer as to how Luffy can definitively fight Sabo. Unless Luffy and Dragon get off on the wrong foot with their different ideologies as a plot-twist of how everybody expects this father and son duo to meet, which I would love to see […]
But Sabo and Ace having that mindset has never been portrayed negatively by Oda though. If anything, Ace's perspective was meant to give credit to how Luffy's friends, his crewmates, are able to support him and are essential for making him capable of becoming the Pirate King. Luffy doesn't have have to show that they don't have to worry because his crew already does that for them. This is a series that is all about advocating friendship and bonds as the one true source that gives meaning to adventure, rewards, and overcoming our struggles. Luffy showing that he has Sabo's back would be cool and it's very possible, but it's not essential in the form of having to defeat Akainu and save Sabo. Because Luffy's whole shtick is needing others to support him in areas he's not good at. That was why he gave that speech to Arlong about what each of his crewmates are good at and how the one thing Luffy is proficient in is kicking ass.Totally agree with what you say about Luffy needing support on every corner, but in my eyes he always makes up for it by being able to deal with the situation in the end, especially and just because of the previous support he got.
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I've been thinking that now with Luffy saving "cool guys" (Law, Sanji) in two action-based arcs in a row, maybe a future one (or at least a subplot) would focus on Zoro. But what's interesting about his story? Tashigi reminds him of his lost friend, but insists she's not… unless she's doing an acting job like Pudding. Maybe the death and the new name were forced to be fake, i.e. she had to be sold to the government for financial or other reasons, and she's masking her true power as well. The fight for world's greatest swordsman could be between her and Zoro, not Mihawk and Zoro. In any case, the whole "you-look-like-her" thing could or could not be considered an open end of a plot thread depending how you want to see it, but so far don't see much else to go on with Zoro's story, and I don't imagine Oda would try to cram something into his super-early-childhood to make it so close to a Sanji situation (which is why I'm also leaning towards "subplot" instead of "save" with Zoro).
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Besides the muktiple times Zoro has said he would leave the crew, when he joined and during Ussop's incident and with the impeding revelation of what Sanji did, I can see Zoro leaving the crew, but not for rescue, but complete his dream. After Raftel, perhaps, after helping his captain complete gis dream, now it is his turn. This will create tension for sure, but in a different way becayse Luffy will allow it, but someone mentions: "Don't get lost on your way back" hinting that everyone is in good terms, so in essence a different kind of group splitting.
Of course I also said that they might have their duel if Mihawk is with Shanks, and they all meet in Elbaf. Before Raftel.
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@Don:
Sabo never met Ace while he had his ability, so him really taking example from Ace isn´t the case.
He obviously heard from Ace and his fire-fist, showcasing this with his first attack in the Colosseum, but Ace couldn´t give Sabo any hints how to effectively use such an ability.That's true, but Sabo's first Fire Fist was explicitly stated to be in honor of Ace. He knows it's Ace's technique. So he's at least heard about it or maybe saw a picture of it. Who knows lol. But my point still stands. It's not as if somebody mastering a fruit and gaining/mastering similar and/or different abilities in their own right discredits the predecessor.
I agree that the protagonist has to use his willpower to overcome the villain.
I don´t deny that Sabo vs Akainu would also be an effective battle that´s exciting to witness, but just proofing that one line from Akainu´s superior ability wrong, isn´t compelling enough for me for it to happen.Well, a generic revenge fight from Luffy doesn't really appeal to me either. So this is really just getting into subjective value.
I won´t go on and reply to the rest of your points, because they´re simply my points seen from your perspective.
You like to see Sabo being the one hinted to and it´s obviously a reasonable guess.
I actually prefer it, that we interpret these points differently, because normally we tend to agree more on subjects :D
So it will be more interesting to see how it turns out in the future, especially when we have more interactions between the mentioned characters to discuss it with some new shed light.I know that it's mainly from my perspective lol. I didn't mean to sound like my interpretation was a fact. It's just that in real life, governments can't be effectively ruled in a manner akin to those statements being taken literally. It would be, in fact, insane if the Celestial Dragons always completely bended to the whim of the Celestial Dragons or the Marines to truly be insignificant. They just simply don't care for honor and the like similar to Akainu, who's obviously overcompensatingly prideful. It doesn't mean the military force of the Marines isn't valued or major, they just aren't as obsessively authoritative as Sakazuki.
But I digress. I don't mean to make it appear as if it's impossible for Luffy to fight Akainu. It's DEFINITELY a strong possibility. It's just that I also find that to be the case for Sabo, and I prefer it being him. And I like to think that Oda's giving Sabo more purpose than making similar actions as Ace to the point of almost dying just like him. That's just my perception though.
It is quite enjoyable to have a good debate with you though. People tend to think that agreeing on everything is satisfying, but so can energetically offering perspectives with their own respectable merit. If we can't discuss potentially different points of view, then why even talk to other people in general? Where's the individuality? So with all of that said, you've made great points for sure. I'm very interested in seeing where Sabo is headed as a character. And we'll most likely at least get an update on the Revolutionaries during the Reverie right after Totland ends.
Totally agree with what you say about Luffy needing support on every corner, but in my eyes he always makes up for it by being able to deal with the situation in the end, especially and just because of the previous support he got.
Saving Sabo provides at least an answer to show us readers that Luffy made that final step to protect everyone he loves and we don´t need those shenanigans of Luffy and Dragon having an dispute, while both are fighting with good reasons behind them.That is also true. I wouldn't mind Luffy showing his older brother that he can take care of himself. If it matters, I do think Luffy should legitimately beat SOME Admiral eventually. Fujitora's definitely not an option, and Akainu is the most obvious choice. But I wouldn't mind Luffy defeating Kizaru (which would be a nice parallel to how he terrorized the Straw Hat crew in Sabaody Archipelago) or Ryokugyu. Either could help confirm that Luffy has made a huge step in protecting those he cares about after how scary the Admirals were pre-timeskip and how the Straw Hats were helpless against both Aokiji and Kizaru respectively. Perhaps such a fight could happen in whatever arc Vegapunk shows up in that will probably be Marine/World Government-focused like Water 7 and Enies Lobby. But those are just my two hypothetical cents.
I wouldn't say that Luffy and Dragon having a dispute should just be labeled as "shenanigans" though. Regardless of whether that can lead to a brief Luffy versus Sabo showdown, I think it would be quite a refreshing twist to see Luffy and Dragon not agree on things. Something that Oda likes to demonstrate in the manga is how family isn't solely determined or valued just by blood relation. It's from the bonds established and time spent together. Luffy and Dragon constantly don't care about each other because they don't have a reason to besides being related. Although Dragon did care enough to save him at Loguetown, and I'm sure Luffy might lend a hand if he was close by and needed help (but not with much enthusiasm or compassion, I'd bet. More as a thank you for Loguetown than valuing him as a father, and probably for Sabo's sake). If Luffy got into an argument with Jimbei over fighting Hody because of how Fishmen view humans with unease and might take a human defeating a Fishman like Hody as typical racist oppression, then it's very possible that Luffy and Dragon can disagree on a thing or two with their different ideologies and difference in selfishness and selflessness.
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Keep in mind that all of this isn't even about Luffy fighting Sabo, just my thoughts on the potential stories we can get out of the Straw Hats meeting the Revolutionaries. I can't wait to see Jimbei reunite with Koala, it'll be adorable lol.
I've been thinking that now with Luffy saving "cool guys" (Law, Sanji) in two action-based arcs in a row, maybe a future one (or at least a subplot) would focus on Zoro. But what's interesting about his story? Tashigi reminds him of his lost friend, but insists she's not… unless she's doing an acting job like Pudding. Maybe the death and the new name were forced to be fake, i.e. she had to be sold to the government for financial or other reasons, and she's masking her true power as well. The fight for world's greatest swordsman could be between her and Zoro, not Mihawk and Zoro. In any case, the whole "you-look-like-her" thing could or could not be considered an open end of a plot thread depending how you want to see it, but so far don't see much else to go on with Zoro's story, and I don't imagine Oda would try to cram something into his super-early-childhood to make it so close to a Sanji situation (which is why I'm also leaning towards "subplot" instead of "save" with Zoro).
I can't see anymore Straw Hat rescue arcs coming by besides maybe a surprising Luffy rescue arc focusing on his full crew, which would be interesting. That doesn't mean we still can't learn more about his past though. He just showed up in a dojo one day randomly to challenge everybody. We have no idea who his parents, where he was born, or even why he decided to be a swordsman in the first place. Sure, we know why he's so dedicated to becoming the World's Strongest Swordsman from his promise to Kuina, but we have no idea why he wanted to take up a swordsmanship in and of itself. Maybe we'll find out in Wano Country. I hope that if it's ever revealed, his family isn't important like the Vinsmokes. If anything, I think it would be a nice twist if they were average citizens or even impoverished. Maybe they're farmers or something lol.
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Honestly I would love to take a rest of Zoro, not because of his character, but because how he hogs fights (notable examples: T-Bone, Ryuma and Monet) because he's a strong, serious and responsable character, it's in his nature to take these challenges that would have served the plot and world better if the weaker crewmembers took them.
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Oh, I agree that Zoro could use less of a spotlight. But since "Don't speak ill of Zoro" Oda is going to keep him in the spotlight as we get nearer and nearer to his endgame title fight, we might as well switch his focus from solely being on fights to actually contributing to the plot. Having another flashback, one that might be relevant and decently long this time around, can help do that more than slashing someone from behind before giving a generic badass one liner.
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What I posted last page works better for thise that want Zoro to have less of a spotlight.
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It's a shame Oda turned him from a working class hero into an elitist snob.
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It's a shame Oda turned him from a working class hero into an elitist snob.
Wel, did not want to reveal this so soon, but that is because Zoro is a fake! It is actually one of Perona's ghosts, that's why he was able to beat Monet with just "fear". Zoro actually got lost on his way back.
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Oh guys, such a bad time to ask for that.
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So does anyone else expect a battle of the gods at Elbaf, betweem Ussop and Enel?
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@Tamiel:
So does anyone else expect a battle of the gods at Elbaf, betweem Ussop and Enel?
The real question here is, will Usopp dye his hair a different color to show his increase in strength and speed?
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Is the whole God Ussop thing a hint that when Enel comes back he will actualy be defeated by the rubberband of Doom?
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Just the thought of God Usopp legitimately defeating God Eneru just hypes me up to no end. Could you imagine? I could see Usopp sprouting some sort of rubber tree and making a giant rubber band of doom thus fulfilling the prophecy that was set at Skypiea.
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Just the thought of God Usopp legitimately defeating God Eneru just hypes me up to no end. Could you imagine? I could see Usopp sprouting some sort of rubber tree and making a giant rubber band of doom thus fulfilling the prophecy that was set at Skypiea.
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Dang, man. It's like Usopp is teasing his most awesome moments before they even happen. Almost like he's a prophet sent from the clouds above.
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Probably after. Usopp defeating 10 giants at Elbaf is practically a spoiler at this point.
How many giants working as marines were in Marineford? Maybe those are the ten, and he handles them with Monster Chopper alone…
I want my Usopp Vs Kaidou right now!!!
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How many giants working as marines were in Marineford? Maybe those are the ten, and he handles them with Monster Chopper alone…
I want my Usopp Vs Kaidou right now!!!
Eight. But there might be more for all we know. That's actually a rather nice possibility rather than automatically assuming Usopp will fight ten Elbaf Giants.
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They might be 10 Big Mom's clone giants.
Or something like that.
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Just the thought of God Usopp legitimately defeating God Eneru just hypes me up to no end. Could you imagine? I could see Usopp sprouting some sort of rubber tree and making a giant rubber band of doom thus fulfilling the prophecy that was set at Skypiea.
If some of the crew is comming up with ways to beat past bosses, just in case, it's Ussop, our very own Batman.
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Probably after. Usopp defeating 10 giants at Elbaf is practically a spoiler at this point.
I think it has always been other people realizing Usopp predictions.
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Dang, man. It's like Usopp is teasing his most awesome moments before they even happen. Almost like he's a prophet sent from the clouds above.
I just realized that Usopp's quote right before that of how "If we tried, we could have beat that thing" might have been teasing how the Straw Hats eventually teamed up against Oars.
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I wouldn't say that Luffy and Dragon having a dispute should just be labeled as "shenanigans" though. Regardless of whether that can lead to a brief Luffy versus Sabo showdown, I think it would be quite a refreshing twist to see Luffy and Dragon not agree on things. Something that Oda likes to demonstrate in the manga is how family isn't solely determined or valued just by blood relation. It's from the bonds established and time spent together. Luffy and Dragon constantly don't care about each other because they don't have a reason to besides being related. Although Dragon did care enough to save him at Loguetown, and I'm sure Luffy might lend a hand if he was close by and needed help (but not with much enthusiasm or compassion, I'd bet. More as a thank you for Loguetown than valuing him as a father, and probably for Sabo's sake). If Luffy got into an argument with Jimbei over fighting Hody because of how Fishmen view humans with unease and might take a human defeating a Fishman like Hody as typical racist oppression, then it's very possible that Luffy and Dragon can disagree on a thing or two with their different ideologies and difference in selfishness and selflessness.
Maybe I am just reading too much into it but I always got the impression that Dragon did care for Luffy both his words in chapter 100 IIRC about how Luffy being a pirate is a good choice for him(also the whole case that he traveled out to see him off on his adventure) and also everything from chapter 539. Luffy says that he is supposed to keep his relationship with dragon a secret and being Luffy just rolls with a mindset of 'oh yeah my dad is a leading the Revolutionaries but that doesn't really have anything to do with me becoming Pirate King.'
Also in the flashback it is stated that Dragon always looks off into the distance towards east blue where his familiy is and Dragon says not to dig into his past. I think any father who cared about his kid would not get involved with them and keep it a secret in order to keep his family safe if said father was the most wanted man in the world
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If Elbaf was indeed a tree. Would it then be the Adam's tree?
If Ussop is fighting 10 Elbaf giants, I would assume the 4 Elbafians (?) we have already met would be back in Elbaf already, and would be testing the God, jajaja.
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Maybe I am just reading too much into it but I always got the impression that Dragon did care for Luffy both his words in chapter 100 IIRC about how Luffy being a pirate is a good choice for him(also the whole case that he traveled out to see him off on his adventure) and also everything from chapter 539. Luffy says that he is supposed to keep his relationship with dragon a secret and being Luffy just rolls with a mindset of 'oh yeah my dad is a leading the Revolutionaries but that doesn't really have anything to do with me becoming Pirate King.'
Also in the flashback it is stated that Dragon always looks off into the distance towards east blue where his familiy is and Dragon says not to dig into his past. I think any father who cared about his kid would not get involved with them and keep it a secret in order to keep his family safe if said father was the most wanted man in the world
If I was in Dragon's position I would figure that the best place for my son to grow up would be with my father who is a famous marine hero since simply coming into contact with me would probably make the WG go after my kid.No, you're right. Dragon does care about Luffy. It's just portrayed in a bit of a subtle fashion. But his quotes often seem like he's impressed with Luffy mainly because he's a pirate. And thus gets to be a thorn in the World Government's side like Dragon does, which makes Dragon a bit proud to see his son "take after him". Which could make for a healthy relationship, but also might pose problems if Dragon were to ever ask Luffy to help in the cause of the Revolutionaries', which I can definitely see Luffy refusing like how he refused to listen to Jimbei at first during Fishman Island. It would be so Oda to build up a type of refusal or animosity from Luffy that gets a lot of shock from all of the people around who are listening in, sort of like how Luffy refused to make the Grand Fleet his subordinates in Chapter 800. That quote you specifically typed about how Luffy views their different goals can be taken as a notable hint towards that. Oda's building up their different perspectives towards one another for a reason, and it just feels too easy to expect them to get along just because they're father and son after all of this build-up.
I do expect Dragon to have some sort of flashback and for Luffy's mother to play a notable role in it though. Perhaps being one of the main reasons he became a Revolutionary. I wouldn't even be surprised if Dragon originally worked for Cipher Pol or something since Garp is obsessed with making his kids Marines, and CP0 keeps hunting down the Revolutionaries as a plotline.
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Garp may have encouraged Dragon to be a revolutionary somehow. Or even just didn't bothered because Revolutionaries aren't pirates per se.
I mean they are an organization that wanna overthrow the government he worked for and that makes them criminals worse than pirates but since they aren't pirates then it is okay.
It would be something just as funny.
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Since I posted in another thread a theory about a future flashback (a "True History" flashback), here's another theory which complements that.
We are going to have a Roger Pirates flashback in Wano.
My arguments for this theory are these:
Oden was a member of the Roger Pirates and went to Raftel with Roger. We also know that Kaido was keen to learn the secrets of the world Oden know. The Kozuki Clan has also been connected to the Poneglyphs (the key to the True History) themselves, as they were the ones creating the stones. It has also been theorized that the scene where Roger and Whitebeard talk takes place in Wano. Given this, I think Wano is already set-up as a place where Oda will begin to reveal at least some of the meta-plot of the series.
I think that a Roger Pirates flashback would be an ideal device to reveal something, without revealing too much. We could see how the Roger Pirates formed, learn more about the world before the Pirate Age, even witness an awestruck crew after they discovered what the true history is. All of that without revealing the secret itself. Something like this would fit in nicely with how Oda likes to tease us with hints regarding everything related to the D/Lost 100 years. It would move the story forward decisively, while preserving the teasing element until the reveals take place at Raftel. As the story progresses and we get closer to Raftel, the hints about the secrets have to become bigger and given Rogers already established connection to Wano a flashback about him and members of his crew could fit in very well.
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Oden was a member of the Roger Pirates and went to Raftel with Roger. We also know that Kaido was keen to learn the secrets of the world Oden know. The Kozuki Clan has also been connected to the Poneglyphs (the key to the True History) themselves, as they were the ones creating the stones. It has also been theorized that the scene where Roger and Whitebeard talk takes place in Wano. Given this, I think Wano is already set-up as a place where Oda will begin to reveal at least some of the meta-plot of the series.
I'm afraid that Roger and Newgate were discussing in other island. Wa no Kuni establishes in a Winter island while they were in an apparently Spring island.
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Besides, the trees are different. But i don't see any problem with a good flashback, besides to add more of a foreshadowing, just check this:That title!! the song was used in One Piece: The Movie and the album for it was released on March 18, 2000. According to the plot summary it says that:
[…] On their way there, they meet and decide to rob the Straw Hat Pirates, who, still lacking a cook, are close to starvation. A short fight ensues, during which Luffy, Zoro, and Tobio, a boy who ran away from home to become part of Woonan's crew, are separated from the other Straw Hats and their ship, staying afloat on the shattered remains of what at some point was a boat. Following the scent of food, they quickly arrive at a floating oden bar, run by Tobio's grandfather, Ganzo. […] Meanwhile, somewhere else on the island, Zoro and Luffy, chained together for trying to eat-and-run, get lost and attempt to get back to the shore. […] On their way up, they meet Ganzo, who reveals to them, that he and Woonan had grown up like brother , in the same village. […] There, Woonan's skeleton is sitting in an empty room, a message for his old friend Ganzo written on the walls.
Maybe some traits of Oden are the same of those of Ganzo. Anyways, it's Oda here the one doing this and it's most probably unrelated to any theory uniting both things. But still creates hype when you think in a sad flashback with the OST to fit it, it's already made.
I think that a Roger Pirates flashback would be an ideal device to reveal something, without revealing too much. We could see how the Roger Pirates formed, learn more about the world before the Pirate Age, even witness an awestruck crew after they discovered what the true history is. All of that without revealing the secret itself. Something like this would fit in nicely with how Oda likes to tease us with hints regarding everything related to the D/Lost 100 years. It would move the story forward decisively, while preserving the teasing element until the reveals take place at Raftel. As the story progresses and we get closer to Raftel, the hints about the secrets have to become bigger and given Rogers already established connection to Wano a flashback about him and members of his crew could fit in very well.
Some new achievements learned by Wa's inhabitants through Oden's government might indicate how the country acts to the great threat that the World Government represents through history. What we know is that they are isolated and the rule comes surely since the time when the masons were working in Poneglyphs, but Oden saw the world and he tried his hardest on open the country, that posture it's interesting after all because invites people to know more of something, just as you hint to be the True History, and strive for a change… for that i'm eager to know more about him rather than his crew.
Keeping with the pairs on the final showdown between those eleven prominent members of "Strawhat" & "Blackbeard" pirates, where Luffy lacks one and Teach lacks two (without counting Kuzan) things have become more interesting to me, because our greedy Teach would solely enter the meele when Luffy becames Pirate King. That's my theory, i don't see any reason beyond for him to attack him again.
Why are needed eleven!? I concluded it with this pic:
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I'm afraid that Roger and Newgate were discussing in other island. Wa no Kuni establishes in a Winter island while they were in an apparently Spring island.
No. Wano will probably have different seasons.
Just listen about the 1 hour 40 minutes mark, Greg explains.
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No. Wano will probably have different seasons.
Just listen about the 1 hour 40 minutes mark, Greg explains.
I don't wanna D: Seems boring to reach that part.
Anyways, i don't have a problem with that, i've only seen it in winter. But as its based in Feudal Japan and has those particular hats, like Oars Jr. wore. I wouldn't mind a fourth season island whether it is or not.
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Seems boring to reach that part.
Actually you can click to time-specific moments in YouTube videos so it shouldn't be boring for you in the least.
Also, you haven't only seen Wano in winter.
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I don't wanna D: Seems boring to reach that part.
Anyways, i don't have a problem with that, i've only seen it in winter. But as its based in Feudal Japan and has those particular hats, like Oars Jr. wore. I wouldn't mind a fourth season island whether it is or not.
We have not yet seen it, Ace mentions its where he learns to make the hat he made for Oars Jr, but his talk was in the past tense so that is not where Ace and Oars Jr was when we saw that scene.
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We have not yet seen it, Ace mentions its where he learns to make the hat he made for Oars Jr, but his talk was in the past tense so that is not where Ace and Oars Jr was when we saw that scene.
He is talking about the place Drake was located it right after Doflamingo was defeated and appeared again when Kaido done a Homerun on those 2 fodders of his.
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I'm afraid that Roger and Newgate were discussing in other island. Wa no Kuni establishes in a Winter island while they were in an apparently Spring island.
With the information we found so far, it doesn't make much sense it's any other island. We have cherry petals flying around, which screams Japan and we also know Roger and some of Wano residents were best buds. Plus Wano is isolated so it was probably one of the few places in which pirates of Roger and WB's caliber could meet in peace.
Besides, not like there aren't other islands that change seasons.
Guys, help me remember. I seem to have an image of Ryuuma's grave shown with Hogback's shadow running in the back, but can't find it anywhere. Was it only in anime or was that Cindry's grave, or something?
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With the information we found so far, it doesn't make much sense it's any other island. We have cherry petals flying around, which screams Japan and we also know Roger and some of Wano residents were best buds. Plus Wano is isolated so it was probably one of the few places in which pirates of Roger and WB's caliber could meet in peace.
Besides, not like there aren't other islands that change seasons.
It could also be the land where Hililuk said he saw the cherry trees. :ninja:
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Who said that Wano is the only place in One Piece that screams Japan?
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I fail to forget if the islands are still one season only, and if so, why is it that Wano has multiple seasons.
It is one thing for Wano to be isolated, but how were they able to repel the forces of the the 50 nations in the past?
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Who said that Wano is the only place in One Piece that screams Japan?
Could be a "duh!" foreshadowing. We are asuming these bunch of things are universal because the long list of japanesse things that are because the author and the main audience are, but then there's things like Oars' hat, and Ninjas being part of popular culture (like robots) but only being in one place, then there's Zoro's katanas and the big book of swords, where most of them seem like katanas and made of folded steel, and from those who aren't we can't know (except for Durandal) if they are named in japanesse or "poetic names", like Amond's icefish sword.
Is like detecting a north american setting in a western, after everyone having guns, but only one town has the bbq to overcook meat and do bland burgers.
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I fail to forget if the islands are still one season only, and if so, why is it that Wano has multiple seasons.
If the SH's favourite type of Island and Season means anything, then it is not really season only.
It is one thing for Wano to be isolated, but how were they able to repel the forces of the the 50 nations in the past?
Brook stated that even the Marines wouldn't go near the Samurai. And what are those 50 nations?
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If the SH's favourite type of Island and Season means anything, then it is not really season only.
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Island_Climatic_Types
From what I understand they all have seasons but even summer in Drum has snow? My previous questions still stands I guess.
Brook stated that even the Marines wouldn't go near the Samurai. And what are those 50 nations?
The predecessors to the World Government, the Celestial Dragons but the ones in the Void Century.
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http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Island_Climatic_Types
From what I understand they all have seasons but even summer in Drum has snow? My previous questions still stands I guess.Maybe in summer, things are less cold? I guess that is how it is in cold countries like Russia. I know Japan isn't always snowing.
The predecessors to the World Government, the Celestial Dragons but the ones in the Void Century.
Well, 50 countries decided to form the WG, but they didn't forced other nations to do it. Sure, there are about more than the triple now, but there is no signal of them to use force to conquer other countries.
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Maybe in summer, things are less cold? I guess that is how it is in cold countries like Russia. I know Japan isn't always snowing.
Well, 50 countries decided to form the WG, but they didn't forced other nations to do it. Sure, there are about more than the triple now, but there is no signal of them to use force to conquer other countries.
Absolutely, but they did destroy the Ancient Kingdom, and it seems that Wano is associated with them. How were they able to survive the destruction?
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Who said that Wano is the only place in One Piece that screams Japan?
Well, Wano…itself?
In Japanese or 和の国 'wa no kuni' means 'a quintessentially Japanese country' (i.e. Japan)
It's basically just another way of saying 'Japan'.
And the Japanese name of Wano is 'Wano Kuni'.
So, for any other place to scream Japanese would be kinda weird.
Sure, there might be places like Shimotsuki, but they were probably founded by people from Wano, etc.