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Should've made Storm the new Thor. But Marvel/Disney aren't pulling out money anymore to support the X-Men. At leats they're not getting cancelled like the FF.
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Oh well, just wait until they release Guardians of the galaxy. They will replace everything with racoons
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So far my favourite thing about this female Thor being introduced, is the idea of Thor the Unworthy.
Though due to Thor: God of Thunder, we already know female Thor won't stick….
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Looks like Thor isn't the only one getting replaced
Well that explains why I've been seeing an older thinner Steve Rogers on some solicitations.
Hmmm
Thor is getting replaced
Falcon is the new Captain America
Wolverine is getting killed offWhat next Peter finally winds up in a committed relationship that won't end in an incredibly stupid way?
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Looks just like another thing a comic company does to grab attention and money. I don't wanna sound harsh, but this is how it's always coming off to me. All the stories with superheroes fighting the same villains have beend done to death, since nobody dies or just comes back to life anyway, that is why I can't really get into american superhero comics. And looking at the whole comic industry it doesn't even has the amount of variety the manga industry does, despite that one having flaws of it's own.
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Should've made Storm the new Thor. But Marvel/Disney aren't pulling out money anymore to support the X-Men. At leats they're not getting cancelled like the FF.
She's been Thor before, but I think it was in an alternate universe.
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Oh well, just wait until they release Guardians of the galaxy. They will replace everything with racoons
They're already whoring out that ferret as if he's Wolverine (or rather, Deadpool, considering he went from a legitimately good character to a one-note joke).
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And looking at the whole comic industry it doesn't even has the amount of variety the manga industry does, despite that one having flaws of it's own.
Take a look at the comics Image is publishing and then come back and say there isn't a good variety.
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And looking at the whole comic industry it doesn't even has the amount of variety the manga industry does, despite that one having flaws of it's own.
If you're just looking at superhero comics… you aren't looking at the whole industry.
At all.
(And even then, the long running creator owned super-hero titles like Gold Digger, Savage Dragon, and Invincible become more soap opera and grow and change their casts for real.)
Also.
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Looks just like another thing a comic company does to grab attention and money. I don't wanna sound harsh, but this is how it's always coming off to me. All the stories with superheroes fighting the same villains have beend done to death, since nobody dies or just comes back to life anyway, that is why I can't really get into american superhero comics. And looking at the whole comic industry it doesn't even has the amount of variety the manga industry does, despite that one having flaws of it's own.
put on glasses
-Saga
-Sex
-Sex criminals
-Disheltered
-Undertow
-East of West (well, i just dropped it but…well)
-Hellboy in hell (FUCKIN READ THIS)
-BPRD
-The Massive (let's just ignore that Brian Wood is...well, you know what he did)
-Anything Brad Shaw Does
-Shutter
-Fables
-FBPAnd there's more. These are all worthwhile titles that are currently out in the market and if we mention limited series or ones that are already over there are a lot more. Marvel and DC are....well, fuckin' Marvel and DC.
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Recently I found out that Alejandro Jodorowsky wrote some comics after his adaptation of Dune fell through, so I've been going through those now. Started Metabarons before Incal because I found it first (though the latter is supposedly more of a classic). Absolutely loving this. Jodorowsky does space opera. Between Gimenez's tremendous artwork and Jodorowsky's engaging story, it's a pretty brilliant comic. My only issue is that the whole robots recounting the story thing got old pretty quickly, but I just love the conviction with which the story's written, no matter how ridiculous it can get.
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Looks like Thor isn't the only one getting replaced
Wonder how long that will last though.
I mean they did once kill Steve Rogers off with a shot to the head (think it was near end of Civil War) but somehow 'miraculously' brought him back like so many other characters in Marvel. Saw in that link of "killing off Wolverine"… yeah right that won't last.
Marvel Comics= where death is a revolving door.@God:
She's been Thor before, but I think it was in an alternate universe.
Well it was actually mainstream universe in two issues sort of.
Started in a New mutants annual of Loki kidnapping the kids and the de-powered Storm, he transforms Storm by giving her a hammer to give her control of storms again and brainwashes her for a bit calling her a Goddesss of the Storm (think that was title, could be cliché goddess of thunder). IT continues in a X-Men annual where X-Men go to Asgard get the kids and storm sees through Loki's lies and after Kitty Pryde confronts Loki, threatening him that he can't catch all of them, someone will eventually reach the Warriors Three or Sif, then they will go after Loki …. unless Loki lets them go, he tries to weasel through it saying had to vote to go back. In mainstream universe, they do. Storm votes go return and uses the hammer one last time to call lightening to hit it and melt it.
In a "What If" issue there was the alt universe, where Storm votes to stay in Asgard.. along with half of the other x-men. So she stays as a goddess and when Thor returns to Midgard she rules
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Wonder how long that will last though.
I mean they did once kill Steve Rogers off with a shot to the head (think it was near end of Civil War) but somehow 'miraculously' brought him back like so many other characters in Marvel. Saw in that link of "killing off Wolverine"… yeah right that won't last.
Marvel Comics= where death is a revolving door.Well it was actually mainstream universe in two issues sort of.
Started in a New mutants annual of Loki kidnapping the kids and the de-powered Storm, he transforms Storm by giving her a hammer to give her control of storms again and brainwashes her for a bit calling her a Goddesss of the Storm (think that was title, could be cliché goddess of thunder). IT continues in a X-Men annual where X-Men go to Asgard get the kids and storm sees through Loki's lies and after Kitty Pryde confronts Loki, threatening him that he can't catch all of them, someone will eventually reach the Warriors Three or Sif, then they will go after Loki .... unless Loki lets them go, he tries to weasel through it saying had to vote to go back. In mainstream universe, they do. Storm votes go return and uses the hammer one last time to call lightening to hit it and melt it.
In a "What If" issue there was the alt universe, where Storm votes to stay in Asgard.. along with half of the other x-men. So she stays as a goddess and when Thor returns to Midgard she rules
Thanks for the info. Since you seem to know a thing or two about the X-Men can you tell me why people call Cyclops "Rightclops"?
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Thanks for the info. Since you seem to know a thing or two about the X-Men can you tell me why people call Cyclops "Rightclops"?
Hmmm, not familiar with that one, must be a new one in the past decade. By people do you mean fans or other characters?
If by fans, I believe its because Cyclops always had this air of superiority about him, that he was always in the right.Its one reason in the early days Cyclops and Wolverine did not get along at all. Scott was strict-by-the-rules while Logan was a classic anti-hero a loose canon (least that's how they saw each other).
Logan called him "Boyscout" for the reason of Scott being a "goody two shoes" .
They had mellowed out towards each other by mid to late 80s. the old animosity didn't really show up again, even in Shism, the hostity to each other wasn't the same as the old days -
Hmmm, not familiar with that one, must be a new one in the past decade. By people do you mean fans or other characters?
If by fans, I believe its because Cyclops always had this air of superiority about him, that he was always in the right.Its one reason in the early days Cyclops and Wolverine did not get along at all. Scott was strict-by-the-rules while Logan was a classic anti-hero a loose canon (least that's how they saw each other).
Logan called him "Boyscout" for the reason of Scott being a "goody two shoes" .
They had mellowed out towards each other by mid to late 80s. the old animosity didn't really show up again, even in Shism, the hostity to each other wasn't the same as the old daysI'm talking about by fans. I see it a lot on /co/.
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I'm talking about by fans. I see it a lot on /co/.
Pretty sure it came from Cap and Cyclops talk at the end of AVX (Cyclops was DEFINITELY right) along with this
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I'm talking about by fans. I see it a lot on /co/.
Then they are likely making fun of him for his need to be right about things. As Logan has often said, he has a stick up his ass.
Cyclops has had a love/hate relationship with fans for decades now, but recent (well by my consideration as I've read the X-Men Comics since 1980 up only recent times) events like Schism and the 5 phoenix crap really saw a spike of the fan-hate again. While I didn't read the comics too much during this recent times, I've heard fellow fans (and saw some joke images on the web) making fun of Cyclops.
So I am assuming that fans are poking fun at his need to be correct by calling him "Rightclops"… and with that history of the love/hate from fans, I feel safe making that assumption
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Pretty sure it came from Cap and Cyclops talk at the end of AVX (Cyclops was DEFINITELY right) along with this
That's a pretty good reason right there
like I said, he has this need to be correct, an arrogance if you will.
I didn't see this scene but from what I've gathered, its after (or during) the 5 phoenix thing and Cyclops was arrested and was even more arrogant than before. -
Pretty sure it came from Cap and Cyclops talk at the end of AVX (Cyclops was DEFINITELY right) along with this
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/103734/2652906-avx_zone_011.jpg
Didn't know Cyclops was such a baller.
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Then they are likely making fun of him for his need to be right about things. As Logan has often said, he has a stick up his ass.
Cyclops has had a love/hate relationship with fans for decades now, but recent (well by my consideration as I've read the X-Men Comics since 1980 up only recent times) events like Schism and the 5 phoenix crap really saw a spike of the fan-hate again. While I didn't read the comics too much during this recent times, I've heard fellow fans (and saw some joke images on the web) making fun of Cyclops.
So I am assuming that fans are poking fun at his need to be correct by calling him "Rightclops"… and with that history of the love/hate from fans, I feel safe making that assumption
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That's a pretty good reason right there
like I said, he has this need to be correct, an arrogance if you will.
I didn't see this scene but from what I've gathered, its after (or during) the 5 phoenix thing and Cyclops was arrested and was even more arrogant than before.It's after and he's "talking" to Wolverine.
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I just caught up with Superior Foes. It's such a fun book.
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It's because of Avengers vs. X-Men. The crux of the story is that Cyclops believed Hope Summers was destined to become the Phoenix host and bring back mutantkind. Captain Toolmerica and his crony Avengers disagreed so vehemently that they attacked the mutant home island (which had previously been acknowledged as a sovereign state), tried to imprison all the X-Men (which Iron Man acknowledged) and shot a giant gun at the Phoenix. The latter resulted in Cyclops and a bunch of others beocming Phoenix hosts and using this power to end war, famine, shortages, etc. Captain Toolmerica disagreed so vehemently that he kept attack the Phoenix hosts until they became evil. Cyclops then killed Prof. Xavier in self-defense. Finally, the Avengers used Hope Summers to become the Phoenix host, defeat Cyclops and bring mutantkind back. If you've been reading along, you'll realise that's what Cyclops has been saying from the start. Thus the meme "Cyclop was right" was started. Also, the fact that Marvel had a "minority" like mutants become empowered and then immediately depicted them as dangerous individuals who need to be slammed down by the status quo in the form of the Avengers annoyed some people. Even though they made the world objectively a better place. Ever since that event ended, Cyclops and everyone working with him has been wanted by the American government (that owns sentinels, mind you) and the Avengers who are now under government control, as well as the X-Men that fall under Wolverine's control. Even though Cyclops has done nothing but save mutants from harm, something that has been happening since the very first issue in 1963. Yet now it's a criminal act because CAPTAIN AMERICA said it was a criminal thing to do. And all the X-Men that work with Wolverine have admitted they won't fight back against mutant hate groups unless they show up on their front door.
http://beyondthegamer.com/2013/05/31/revisiting-an-unforgettable-battle-why-cyclops-was-right/
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ah thanks for the info
I didnt' get into the 5 phoenix stuff.
Heck barely read Schism… mainly the ending and some big points there such as Wolverine didn't like using the younger mutants in fights, thought they should be students as in "school students", not just students learning to fight. I remember him reaction go one girl who was seeing herself as a freak and seem to lack confidence but when some fight happened, she ended up fighting (think she killed to save someone else). She still saw herself as a freak but thought she had a role - a reason she was a freak. Logan was trying to get her to see herself as a person, not a freak.
It was this event that lead him to leave Utopia and form the Jean Grey school where the old Xavier school was. From what I read , it seemed Logan was not going "against mutant hate groups unless they show up on their front door" way because he didn't want to take
the kids out to fight, saw his main job was to protect the kids and teach them, that there were others (X-groups) out there to actually go fight them.Of course, like all mutant (okay ANY) situations, it gets all messed up, mixed around and twisted and turned around as Marvel wants it to become for sales
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It's because of Avengers vs. X-Men. The crux of the story is that Cyclops believed Hope Summers was destined to become the Phoenix host and bring back mutantkind. Captain Toolmerica and his crony Avengers disagreed so vehemently that they attacked the mutant home island (which had previously been acknowledged as a sovereign state), tried to imprison all the X-Men (which Iron Man acknowledged) and shot a giant gun at the Phoenix. The latter resulted in Cyclops and a bunch of others beocming Phoenix hosts and using this power to end war, famine, shortages, etc. Captain Toolmerica disagreed so vehemently that he kept attack the Phoenix hosts until they became evil. Cyclops then killed Prof. Xavier in self-defense. Finally, the Avengers used Hope Summers to become the Phoenix host, defeat Cyclops and bring mutantkind back. If you've been reading along, you'll realise that's what Cyclops has been saying from the start. Thus the meme "Cyclop was right" was started. Also, the fact that Marvel had a "minority" like mutants become empowered and then immediately depicted them as dangerous individuals who need to be slammed down by the status quo in the form of the Avengers annoyed some people. Even though they made the world objectively a better place. Ever since that event ended, Cyclops and everyone working with him has been wanted by the American government (that owns sentinels, mind you) and the Avengers who are now under government control, as well as the X-Men that fall under Wolverine's control. Even though Cyclops has done nothing but save mutants from harm, something that has been happening since the very first issue in 1963. Yet now it's a criminal act because CAPTAIN AMERICA said it was a criminal thing to do. And all the X-Men that work with Wolverine have admitted they won't fight back against mutant hate groups unless they show up on their front door.
http://beyondthegamer.com/2013/05/31/revisiting-an-unforgettable-battle-why-cyclops-was-right/
I can't take Avengers vs X-Men seriously after reading the parody.
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I'm currently reading through The Incal. It's pretty great. This series in a nutshell:
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I'm currently reading through The Incal. It's pretty great. This series in a nutshell:
Well it's Jodorowsky so it's at least lots of imagination. :) Metabaron is also pretty great.
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Well it's Jodorowsky so it's at least lots of imagination. :) Metabaron is also pretty great.
Yeah, I read through the Metabarons first (out of order, I know, haha). The Incal has much stronger writing, though the Metabarons gets points for being so magnificently over the top (the battle between Aghnar and Steelhead is an amazing highlight with orgasmic visuals).
Jodorowsky is so wild. Even just reading about his writing process is wild. Reading his inspiration for the incal:
The Incal began as a dream, one where I was aware that I was indeed dreaming. In that dream, I was sitting in some nebulous space, when I asked to see a vision of my innermost being. Two imbricated pyramids appeared. Then, I said to myself, it is good to see what my innermost being looks like, but it is not yet enough. I must become one with that pyramid. But when I tried to achieve this, I felt as if my brain was exploding with light, and then I woke up.
So the Incal first appeared to me in a dream. Then, I began writing a story in which I wanted to tell how someone became the Incal. To write the story, I tried to ignore my powers of logic and reasoning, and instead place myself in a position of receiving the story directly from my subconscious. I have always felt that true, magical art is something that you receive, that is being given to you.
The dude is a trip unto himself.
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Jodorowsky is so wild. Even just reading about his writing process is wild. Reading his inspiration for the incal:
The dude is a trip unto himself.
Haha, yeah. He reminds me of Grant Morrison in that regard.
in 1999, Morrison said that much of the content in The Invisibles was information given to him by aliens that abducted him in Kathmandu, who told him to spread this information to the world via a comic book.
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Of course, it gets even weirder if you read more about what he meant…
GM: The Supercontext to me is what you get born into when you 'die' - remember at the end that these are just my personal metaphors for something that may be quite different . These are the words; I'm straining it down through The Invisibles, that's the shape I'm straining it down through. The Supercontext to me is a fifth-dimensional, informational continuum where things that we don't quite understand go on - higher processes, adult processes. What I felt, when I was undergoing what I call the Alien Abduction Experience in Kathmandhu (which I don't think was anything to do with Aliens or Abduction but we'll call it that for ease of understanding) was that by sheer - nothing to do with mysticism, or abstraction - sheer fact of physical life on Earth and how we exist as processes through time rather than as these segments in time which we are interacting with just now basically; in the most hard headed way, running backwards through the processes, where you come in through that doorway, we both disappear out through the door - you go out after me - as you saw in The Invisibles, a huge worm of activity - you go back into your mother, she goes back into her mother. I mean the whole thing is one structure - it's one thing. What I felt, was that I was looking at a larval form and what I was told, was that I was looking at a larval form of an entity that was adult in the fifth dimension and that these things were growing planets like the Earth as patches, like cabbage patches. So you stick it on a planet, the planet feeds it - it eats the planet to power its growth into adulthood at which point it becomes a full scale living fully formed - like the way a fly is fully formed from larvae - entity of the fifth dimension. So you're dealing with someone whose got this as their belief structure behind all of it. This is why I assume that most processes that occur on earth are working properly.
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Holy shit. Anyone read the new issue of New Avengers?
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Guys are you reading Sex Criminals? You should and also you should read the mail part (or whatever it's called). It's so awesome.
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Haha, yeah. He reminds me of Grant Morrison in that regard.
[from Wikipedia]Of course, it gets even weirder if you read more about what he meant…
[From [URL]http://www.barbelith.com/old/interviews/interview_4.shtml]Oooh, never read the Invisibles, but that's going to go next on my list. The dude sounds like what would happen if Jodorowsky's spiritualism was rooted more deeply in logic, but still just as out there.
Finished the Incal by the way and it was incredible. Definitely an experience worth having for fans of both comics and the general bizarre. Moebius' artwork alone would make it worth reading. Jodo's ideas can get a bit screwy, but that's what makes it an absolute trip. It's like a waking psychedelic dream.
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If you wave a copy of the Invisibles around, then drugs will literally fall out of it.
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Speaking of Morrison, did anyone read the first issue of Multiversity?
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Guys are you reading Sex Criminals? You should and also you should read the mail part (or whatever it's called). It's so awesome.
Yes. Love it. See they are releasing a book entitled Sex Tips which I think is just full of that mail stuff.
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Speaking of Morrison, did anyone read the first issue of Multiversity?
I thought it was interesting for setting up the rest of the series, but I'm much more interested in the different universes we'll be visiting. Can't wait for Thunderworld.
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Yes. Love it. See they are releasing a book entitled Sex Tips which I think is just full of that mail stuff.
I thought it was interesting for setting up the rest of the series, but I'm much more interested in the different universes we'll be visiting. Can't wait for Thunderworld.
The chapter was so odd. "Hey we're in the not-Marvel universe, better punch this guy for no reason."
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is anyone reading the new inhuman comics????
and if so…..
do you think that xiayo girl who meet the reader on issue four, is the same weird snake looking person who appeared this issue? they have the same type of scales near their eyes it looks like (just different colors) and it would be kind of weird to just keep introducing more and more characters and letting them fade into the grey
just a thought
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I had this idea for a Marvel comic, basically it is the origin story of all of the Marvel universe and details the creation of Earth and the rest of the universe and how the many cosmic entities and organisms interacted with each other. I know this doesn't seem very action-packed, but the story and characters should more than make up for that.
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Double post. Is anyone reading Spider-Verse?
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I'm following the current She-Hulk series. And its been pretty great so far. I'm kinda surpised that the series is going to be ending.
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I'm following the current She-Hulk series. And its been pretty great so far. I'm kinda surpised that the series is going to be ending.
Because so many fans have shit taste, isn't All New! Ghost Rider also being cancelled?
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She-Hulk is (most likely) getting relaunched, Ghost Rider isn't cancelled yet.
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Oooh, new She-Hulk?? :v I must procure it!
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Not sure how to feel about this.
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Oh jeezus no wonder she never took off the glasses!
Oh jeezus they don't even point towards the same dimension!
OH JEEZUS!
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It's not real, unless you also think they're going to do another 15 events next year, including bringing back the Spider-Marriage, Civil War and Age of Apocalypse.
And thank god for that. X-Men TAS was garbage and so was the whole Jim Lee era.
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Not sure how to feel about this.
I wouldn't put too much thought into that considering they released a bunch of these pics.
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Common theory is the event is going to focus on a timetraveler or dimension hopper (ala Exiles) that runs rapid through all the past events.
What, no Mutant Massacre or Phalanx Covenant?
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And thank god for that. X-Men TAS was garbage and so was the whole Jim Lee era.
It was flawed but it had definite good qualities. Ongoing plots, sacrifice, an attempt to actually deal with issue, GREAT voice acting, one of the more solid groups all around, and a legitimate attempt to recreate actual comic stories as often as possible…. hell, they very nearly did BOTH phoenix sagas verbatim, ending aside.
And say what you will about the actual Jim Lee era writing wise, at least a couple of those designs are still among the most iconic and best the characters have ever had.
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So what are you guys reading?