Chapter 599, "9 Pirates" Discussion

[Igosuki]

@MarcelloF:

The description of CoO: "The ability to sense the opponents "presence" even more strongly. If this ability is increased, enemies in locations invisible to the naked eye can be discerned. Their numbers… And even what they will do in the next moment, can all be gleaned."

At most, it was CoA, and even then it's a very, very, very long stretch.

That sounds like a groundless statement, we are all entitled to our opinions after all aren't we.
So tell me, how did Luffy know that Bruno and Coby were coming from behind him back in the Water 7 arc ?

There are also different levels and intensity in Haki, it's not black and white but 255 levels of grey.

[Chicken]

@Outerspec:

Wait, is it so hard to believe Luffy unintentionally used a bit of Haki (particularly CoA) when he hit Blackbeard?

! http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7761/13823605.jpgCoA is not only used to hit intangible Logia users (which Blackbeard isn't) but to strengthen attacks. It's pretty blatant. Blackbeard has been pirating for over 20 years under Whitebeard so he should know something about Haki.

If you are going to use that panel as evidence, I would like some explanation. Blackbeard said "his Haki had improved", does this mean that Luffy has used Haki against Blackbeard before? When? In their eating contest? :ninja:

Just curious…

[flandrian15]

My guess is that the baka move is just some good thinking of Luffy. He noticed that Enel could predict his moves so he just had to move on instinct (so: without thinking). As far as we know, fighting without thinking is not CoO at all, CoO is noticing your opponent more extremely and be able to predict his/her moves. It didn't seem Enel wasn't thinking same for the Boa sisters for that matter.

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@Igosuki:

That sounds like a groundless statement, we are all entitled to our opinions after all aren't we.
So tell me, how did Luffy know that Bruno and Coby were coming from behind him back in the Water 7 arc ?

There are also different levels and intensity in Haki, it's not black and white but 255 levels of grey.

because not everyone has haki. as for bruno and coby coming behind him, thats easy to explain. u can tell its not haki because they were there for a while before luffy realized it. as for CoO people, they knew it before it happened. Luffy just simply listened to sounds (footsteps, door creaking, wind sound etc) to determine where they were. any decent fighter of any form of fighting can tell u sound is very important.

[GrizzlayLeslay]

@Rubber:

When they defeated the priest at the ordeal of balls, they defeated him because he lost focus and couldn't use his mantra (CoO)

You need to focus to use CoO, if luffy isn't even thinking, how could he possibly focus?

Good point, but that's assuming that there's absolutely no science at all to doing something instinctively. That it "just happens". Reacting instinctively requires the brain to know on some level, what's happening in its surroundings.

Please don't forget I'm saying there could have been a trace. For all we know, Oda will just chalk up some of these things to gags.

But what we DO know is that Luffy has accessible Haki, and before the timeskip he had no control over it. There are plenty of correlations to be found with that and the various things that happened in the manga that Luffy did "instinctively". It's not concrete proof (correlation isn't causation after all), but it's something that's more than nothing.

[Joe]

The worst thing oda did was create haki and create half-assed explanations for it that were mainly left up to baseless speculations in the fanbase who are now at the point of claiming every little move is haki. Even things like gags.

[MarcelloF]

@Igosuki:

That sounds like a groundless statement, we are all entitled to our opinions after all aren't we.
So tell me, how did Luffy know that Bruno and Coby were coming from behind him back in the Water 7 arc ?

There are also different levels and intensity in Haki, it's not black and white but 255 levels of grey.

You mean when he used his door door powers? Luffy explained that. Whenever he used the powers he tapped his feet or something. I can't remember exactl, it's been a while since I've read it.

And what part was a groundless statement?

@Joe:

The worst thing oda did was create haki and create half-assed explanations for it that were mainly left up to baseless speculations in the fanbase who are now at the point of claiming every little move is haki. Even things like gags.

I don't really think the explanations were half-assed, people are just too stupid.

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@Joe:

The worst thing oda did was create haki and create half-assed explanations for it that were mainly left up to baseless speculations in the fanbase who are now at the point of claiming every little move is haki. Even things like gags.

agreed. people are mixing up the ability haki and regular fighting training, as well as one piece attack moves. if diable jambe was haki, then we can say onigiri is haki imbued as well as bullet punch

[Chicken]

@Pacer:

agreed. people are mixing up the ability haki and regular fighting training, as well as one piece attack moves. if diable jambe was haki, then we can say onigiri is haki imbued as well as bullet punch

Don't forget Usopp's weapons!

[Outerspec]

@Chicken:

If you are going to use that panel as evidence, I would like some explanation. Blackbeard said "his Haki had improved", does this mean that Luffy has used Haki against Blackbeard before? When? In their eating contest? :ninja:

Just curious…

That's a good observation. If Blackbeard said Luffy's Haki has improved then at what point did he find out Luffy could use Haki in the first place? Maybe Blackbeard can sense when someone is able to use Haki and he knew from the get go (at the pub).

I really don't know the answer to that question. Everyone has Haki so Blackbeard at least knew Luffy had it. :ninja:

[GrizzlayLeslay]

@Pacer:

agreed. people are mixing up the ability haki and regular fighting training, as well as one piece attack moves. if diable jambe was haki, then we can say onigiri is haki imbued as well as bullet punch

Except it's entirely possible that Diable Jambe has some connection with CoA, since the power in the technique comes from Sanji's burning soul, and that the kick has caused bones to burn (see his fight against Jyabura).

There's nothing more to go on that until Sanji can ass whoop some Logia user with Diable Jambe.

[Chicken]

@Outerspec:

That's a good observation. If Blackbeard said Luffy's Haki has improved then at what point did he find out Luffy could use Haki in the first place? Maybe Blackbeard can sense when someone is able to use Haki and he knew from the get go (at the pub).

I really don't know the answer to that question. Everyone has Haki so Blackbeard at least knew Luffy had it. :ninja:

So it doesn't really support your theory?

[Joe]

@MarcelloF:

I don't really think the explanations were half-assed, people are just too stupid.

I blame franky house's god awful translations.

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@Gerchak:

Except it's entirely possible that Diable Jambe has some connection with CoA, since the power in the technique comes from Sanji's burning soul, and that the kick has caused bones to burn (see his fight against Jyabura).

There's nothing more to go on that until Sanji can ass whoop some Logia user with Diable Jambe.

if we go by whoever said that Oda is very careful with what he says, then we can confirm that it isn't damaging to himself. since ODA is so careful with saying that blackbeard can sense haki (which imo is blackbeard seeing how much more luffy was determined and focused to say that his haki was increased), as well as saying that luffy's gear 2 and 3 are both bad for him, Oda would have definately said something about diablo jambe. i mean why be so detailed about the rest of the story and then leave out imporatnt info on diablo jambe.

Edit: romancedawn said that oda is very cafeul.

seperate note: sanji created the move diablo jambe. for a persont o create a move, he would have to be able to do it within his abilities. meaning that if u are to say he has CoA within it, that means at a much earlier stage than luffy + zoro, he knew how to fully control CoA, at least within his leg.

[semil]

@Joe:

I blame franky house's god awful translations.

I blame stupid people clinging to pet theories just to be contrary.

[RPG KING]

man why chopper gotta be so dumb.those are some ugly posers that don't have a hint of charecter traints that your crew has. and man zoro getting on another ship by mistake is soooo funny

[alucar_D]

Sanji's right eye must be okama now, because his "womanscope" was activated when he watched ladies with his left eye.

[MarcelloF]

@RPG:

man why chopper gotta be so dumb.those are some ugly posers that don't have a hint of charecter traints that your crew has. and man zoro getting on another ship by mistake is soooo funny

He's using CoO to not notice they are fake.

He totally did it before when he didn't notice Sogeking=Usopp.

[Sage]

Clarity

@brennen.exe:

What you responded to was "Why do people think Luffy is even close to an Admiral's level?"

Indeed I was but through that I got into how Luffy cannot beat everyone because of his 2 year training in Haki. I agree that he HAS to be able to hold his own (not necessarily defeat…which is TBD) when facing an admiral or else, like you said, his training would have been for nothing.

My point, following that line of discussion, was that if Luffy wasn't close to an Admiral's level, then he would need significant growth before the end of the series, which detracts from his having devoted two entire years to training. It would be like Naruto. Consider Luffy's Gear 2nd and 3rd: Luffy faces Crocodile, rises to the challenge, and surpasses his opponent. Shortly thereafter he runs into Aokiji and, realizing how small he is, seeks more power to protect. Using the significant boost he acquired, he barely defeats Lucci, who would have otherwise been leaps and bounds stronger than him. Growth that comes gradually from experience isn't significant without time, so if Luffy isn't even close to an Admiral's level, how do you propose he reaches that level by the end of the series unless he has another (significant) boost in power?

To be clear, I am NOT expecting another "Significant" boost in Luffy's power and ability like the 2 year time-skip has established but I am expecting growth through experience…a growth that will not only improve his Haki abilities but his abilities as a whole..including those tools we were talking about...gradually....but at least by the very last chapter of the series we can both agree that Luffy's growth was "Significant" compared to how he was in this very Chapter...maybe not as "Significant" compared to how he was in Ch. 1 to Ch. 599 but "Significant"

[Chicken]

@MarcelloF:

He's using CoO to not notice they are fake.

He totally did it before when he didn't notice Sogeking=Usopp.

I think you are on to something!

Luffy was using CoO to not notice Sogeking was Usopp as well. The evidence is piling up non-believers! :ninja:

Edit: Zoro uses CoO to get lost too.

[DeathKnight]

I always tought that Both Diablo Jambe and Ashura(or lets say 9 sword style) is haki.Same as Cp9 hermit using his hair freely which is also a form of haki.

We saw in the gorgon sisters fight that they can use haki extensivly with her hair and covering herself with fire without getting hurt.

That also shows that there is different ways to use the haki so you can controll your body (hair and maybe even Life thing Lucci did that made him smaller) and defense from fire and similar things (poison considering magellan got beaten really bad).So Ashura may be a way of using haki to make solid illusions.

Well it has been like what 3 or 4 chapter since haki was explained?I'm sure after some time we will get proper explanition from Oda .

And now whole Haki mystery is in and Devil Fruit mystery is out.We still dont know how BB got 2 fruit powers,how items can eat fruits,how did pxs get beams that looks like kizarus attack and what happens to fruits when the user dies.

[Rubber Fist Luffy]

@DeathKnight:

I always tought that Both Diablo Jambe and Ashura(or lets say 9 sword style) is haki.Same as Cp9 hermit using his hair freely which is also a form of haki.

We saw in the gorgon sisters fight that they can use haki extensivly with her hair and covering herself with fire without getting hurt.

That also shows that there is different ways to use the haki so you can controll your body (hair and maybe even Life thing Lucci did that made him smaller) and defense from fire and similar things (poison considering magellan got beaten really bad).So Ashura may be a way of using haki to make solid illusions.

Well it has been like what 3 or 4 chapter since haki was explained?I'm sure after some time we will get proper explanition from Oda .

And now whole Haki mystery is in and Devil Fruit mystery is out.We still dont know how BB got 2 fruit powers,how items can eat fruits,how did pxs get beams that looks like kizarus attack and what happens to fruits when the user dies.

One of the masters of haki told Luffy that there are only THREE types of Haki.
None of them involved using fire and not getting burned, none of them involved using your hair, and none of them involved multiplying yourself.

Why are you expecting an explanation for haki when he already explained it?

[demonkicksanji]

@alucar_D:

Sanji's right eye must be okama now, because his "womanscope" was activated when he watched ladies with his left eye.

Maybe his right got so traumatized from seeing, being chased by, and fighting so many okamas, that now whenever he sees with his right eye, he sees nothing but okamas. It'd make for an interesting sight gag if he saw the whole crew in okama-mode.

[semil]

@DeathKnight:

I always tought that Both Diablo Jambe and Ashura(or lets say 9 sword style) is haki.Same as Cp9 hermit using his hair freely which is also a form of haki.

We saw in the gorgon sisters fight that they can use haki extensivly with her hair and covering herself with fire without getting hurt.

That also shows that there is different ways to use the haki so you can controll your body (hair and maybe even Life thing Lucci did that made him smaller) and defense from fire and similar things (poison considering magellan got beaten really bad).So Ashura may be a way of using haki to make solid illusions.

Well it has been like what 3 or 4 chapter since haki was explained?I'm sure after some time we will get proper explanition from Oda .

And now whole Haki mystery is in and Devil Fruit mystery is out.We still dont know how BB got 2 fruit powers,how items can eat fruits,how did pxs get beams that looks like kizarus attack and what happens to fruits when the user dies.

I don't recall it ever being explicitely stated that the gorgon sisters use haki to control their hair or to set it on fire. They just did. It might be haki, might not be, we have no way of knowing right now.

[demonkicksanji]

@semil:

I don't recall it ever being explicitely stated that the gorgon sisters use haki to control their hair or to set it on fire. They just did. It might be haki, might not be, we have no way of knowing right now.

Wasn't the hair technique the same thing Komadori used? The name of what he called it, if it was even named, escapes me though.

[semil]

@demonkicksanji:

Wasn't the hair technique the same thing Komadori used? The name of what he called it, if it was even named, escapes me though.

They were similar, in that they moved their hair seemingly independently. But for them to be the SAME THING we'd first have to know how they actually did it in the first place. Since we don't know how the sister did it, and likely never WILL know how Kumadori did it, this will go unanswered.

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@Rubber:

One of the masters of haki told Luffy that there are only THREE types of Haki.
None of them involved using fire and not getting burned, none of them involved using your hair, and none of them involved multiplying yourself.

Why are you expecting an explanation for haki when he already explained it?

he explained that by learning how to use each individual haki more, the more u can do with it. by applying it in different ways, it could easily explain some of the stuff. as far as i am sure of, diablo jambe for sure isn't haki. however, asura coulda easily be a form of CoA, which would explain why he has only been able to use it once, when his focus was at its max + his determination to win. CP9 hair guy could be a form of haki too, and even the snake sisters, though that just might have been their devil fruits.

which brings me a totally off topic question. did one sister have a snake fruit and the other cobra fruit? or were they the same?

[MarcelloF]

@Pacer:

he explained that by learning how to use each individual haki more, the more u can do with it. by applying it in different ways, it could easily explain some of the stuff. as far as i am sure of, diablo jambe for sure isn't haki. however, asura coulda easily be a form of CoA, which would explain why he has only been able to use it once, when his focus was at its max + his determination to win. CP9 hair guy could be a form of haki too, and even the snake sisters, though that just might have been their devil fruits.

which brings me a totally off topic question. did one sister have a snake fruit and the other cobra fruit? or were they the same?

Sandersonia had the Snake-Snake Fruit Model: Anaconda and Marigold had the Snake-Snake Fruit Model: King Cobra

[Igosuki]

@demonkicksanji:

Wasn't the hair technique the same thing Komadori used? The name of what he called it, if it was even named, escapes me though.

Sei mei Kikan, Kami Shibari, Shishi Shigan…

he explained that by learning how to use each individual haki more, the more u can do with it. by applying it in different ways, it could easily explain some of the stuff. as far as i am sure of, diablo jambe for sure isn't haki. however, asura coulda easily be a form of CoA, which would explain why he has only been able to use it once, when his focus was at its max + his determination to win. CP9 hair guy could be a form of haki too, and even the snake sisters, though that just might have been their devil fruits.

which brings me a totally off topic question. did one sister have a snake fruit and the other cobra fruit? or were they the same?

He also said that everybody has Haki and it manifests naturally on different levels depending on your original strength with that Haki.

[r1ncewind]

So, which kind of haki do you think Luffy will be best at?

[andre]

I'm up to page 27 and surprised with the amount of people who think that Zoro is suddenly talking like Mihawk now. Zoro has talked of fate and shit like that for years now, it's nothing new.

[DeathKnight]

@Rubber:

One of the masters of haki told Luffy that there are only THREE types of Haki.
None of them involved using fire and not getting burned, none of them involved using your hair, and none of them involved multiplying yourself.

Why are you expecting an explanation for haki when he already explained it?

I am not saying that there are more types of haki but CoA and CoO can be used in different ways like protection from fire or freely using your hair as a weapon

[Igosuki]

Well since Luffy is going to be the Pirate King the color he will be best at is pretty straightforward …

Also, the only two who got a double page showing off their abilities are Luffy and Zoro :D

[creamaldu]

I think that Oda intentionally showed the readers evidence that Luffy could use all three types of Haki before the big explanation with Rayleigh.

CoO - the fight with Mihawk. He knew his arms would be cut
CoC - do I even need to list them?
CoA - Fight against Blackbeard. (I know that Blackbeard had a physical body so Haki wasn't required to touch him and I know that it wasn't clearly stated), but why else would BB mention Haki? He could have just as easily said that Luffy had gotten stronger. Easier in fact. Why bother mentioning Haki? It was probably because the punch packed a little extra umph due to the CoA. I think this was Oda's waying of showing that Luffy had awoken not only the CoC, but also CoA. CoO came later with Mihawk.

I personally wouldn't have found the training believable with Rayleigh had Oda not shown previously that Luffy was capable of using all three types.

As for the chapter, no complaints. I was nervous about franky a little, but I care more about his personality than his looks. As long as his personality doesn't change, I would be alright with whatever cosmetic change takes place. Plus Franky was right. Look at all the male romanticism in his body. Luffy is going to be so jealous.

[Manny]

@DeathKnight:

I am not saying that there are more types of haki but CoA and CoO can be used in different ways like protection from fire or freely using your hair as a weapon

What?!? :wassat:

And how do you know this. You're just assuming things without any sound basis. That is not very logical thinking

[choperman]

@Mono631:

What?!? :wassat:

And how do you know this. You're just assuming things without any sound basis. That is not very logical thinking

I think he's talking about the snake sisters

so does anyone else not get CoA I mean if it protects you like a sheet of armor, can it protect you from bullets and shields, and if so why didn't WB use it, because he can beast it out?

[semil]

We've never seen haki that is mutable like that. It can move, assuming Zoro's and Mihawk's distance slashes are haki and not something else, and it can be static outside the body, as shown when the admirals form a barrier. But we've never seen a constant, external, continuously controllable form of haki.

Regarding WB: He was old. His strength might not have diminshed, but its pretty well demonstrated that his reactions were far from where they had been.

[brennen.exe]

@andre:

I'm up to page 27 and surprised with the amount of people who think that Zoro is suddenly talking like Mihawk now. Zoro has talked of fate and shit like that for years now, it's nothing new.

Find an example of it then, because I was going to say the same thing yet couldn't find an example to back it up. I'm starting to think I imagined it. The closest I could find was what he said to Kaku at Enies Lobby, right before he used Asura, but even that was partially a play on words. "Suffering is welcome on the path of carnage."

[awefaw]

@Igosuki:

Well since Luffy is going to be the Pirate King the color he will be best at is pretty straightforward …

Also, the only two who got a double page showing off their abilities are Luffy and Zoro :D

So what ur sayin is that Mihawk has CoC.

[Smoker the White Hunter]

@Zarnikon:

Luffy wasn't weak before the timeskip, he was strong and fast.
During the time skip he trained with one of the strongest men alive. So he mostlikely got even stronger (physically) and he mastered haki. Why do I say that he mastered it, because of the following:
In chapter 597, page 16 rayleigh explains the CoC and I quote: "You must not use it until you can completely control it. Otherwise it'll intimidate innocent people around you aswell…!!"
Now in this chapter we saw luffy using it and he did not affect anyone innocent, he focused it on all of the Fake SH's and no innocent people were intimidated. Now I would say that CoC is probably the hardest one to master, and Luffy mostlikely also can use the other 2 haki's really well.
Now you ask what could have happend during the TS making him even to an admiral.
We all agree that luffy isn't even to an admiral but he should atleast form a threat and be able to stall thim.

@brennen.exe:

Luffy has always had the other tools. Creativity, fighting skill, raw physical strength, experience; all he lacked was exactly what Haki provides him with. From this point on, it should only be experience that really elevates their power. I'm not saying his other stats won't increase a little here and there as the journey continues, but it shouldn't be significant growth like it was during the Grand Line. Experience should be the only thing left, allowing him to further master all applications of Haki. The earlier portions of the story were eye-opening for the crew, forcing them to learn just how small they are and spur their desire to gain strength. This time-skip was the answer to that, giving them the perfect opportunity for isolated training in the perfect circumstances. If two solid years of that cannot give a solid base for them to stand on in the New World, then nothing can. Put it this way, there is no longer any reason for Luffy, at any point hereafter, to have another sudden boost in power due to need; were there a need, then Rayleigh's training would have been unsuccessful, and the timeskip would have failed to serve a real purpose in that regard. So again, any growth from this point on should be gradual, building more off of experience than anything else, and providing only minor growth, relative to their journey as a whole. IE: On par with or above Vice Admiral yet below Admiral, to above Admiral or on par with the strongest people in the world.

@brennen.exe:

Well then you aren't really agreeing with me, since that misses the point completely. The purpose of the time-skip, for the crew, was because they weren't prepared for the New World; Rayleigh's words were, "do you want to repeat that?" referring to the incident at Saboady. If Luffy– having devoted an entire two years to pursuing that same goal, with the perfect teacher and circumstances no less-- if he runs into anything from this point on that requires him to reflect on his own powerlessness and seek more power in turn, then the time-skip would have failed to do exactly what it set out to do. Of course as he is now he needs to get stronger, arguably 'a lot' stronger, but he should already have that base for which his steady growth will stand on. Think East Blue.

So… I had to quote a lot of people here seeing as they are the bases of my argument... Firstly I think the misunderstanding people are having is that they think the below people are saying Luffy & Co aren't going to grow. And it seems to me what these people are saying seems exactly right... Luffy & Co now have the foundation to crew to whatever heights their potential can take them. Were as the first half of the grandline they were relying on mostly 'natural talent' and some rudimentary skills to get by. Yes I know a lot of them had 'training' but I'm saying that they are all still young and compared to people who have spent their entire lives improving its hard for a group who has only been pushing forward for 6 months to compete. What the TS did was give them a foundation a building block to greatness...

Okay, Next argument... Luffy isn't a genius... However his battle sense/tactical reasoning borders on prodigious... Proof? The fact that after only seeing the Roukishi technique once he made a suitable copy of the move based on his Devil Fruit power... Not to mention he did this while he was getting his ass kicked to kingdom come... So your argument about 20-22 years of experience is bleh... I mean every single opponent Luffy has faced has had more experience and more time to develop their strength yet they still lost... Luffy says it all the time and I'll say it again... 'Then I'll exceed you...' Overall years of experience matter little in One Piece world...

COQ argument and why Whitebeard didn't use it... COQ as stated by Rayleigh varies in power depending on the 'Will/Belief' of the user. Which means there is a very good chance that Whitebeards COQ was out of range of the execution platform... Luffy was far closer the the execution platform and thus his COQ was in ranged when he used it.

Final argument... Luffy is not on 'Admiral' level... But could he slow one down? Most probably... Could he escape from one barring any unforeseen circumstances/problems. Most likely... The whole point of the TS was to make sure that in the future they wouldn't be completely out classed... Not to say that they wont have tough battles ahead but the TS purposes was to simply although them to take on 'the top'... To pretty much make sure that they could limit the amount of situations that left them utterly powerless... As they go from now on they will exceed their opponents were in the past they had to often struggle to survive. There will be power-ups, there will be new skills learned there will be defeat in their futures but never again will they be incapable of lifting a finger in their own defense...

Sorry for the really long post...

[semil]

Just a thought, but outside awesome moments for Zoro and Luffy, I think the most impressive thing we've seen so far is the speed Luffy moved to avoid the bullet. He was likely capable of moving that fast before, but this time he did it with that gigantic thing on his back. Moving suddenly, quickly, and stopping abruptly with that much weight is pretty impressive.

[Rubber Fist Luffy]

@semil:

Just a thought, but outside awesome moments for Zoro and Luffy, I think the most impressive thing we've seen so far is the speed Luffy moved to avoid the bullet. He was likely capable of moving that fast before, but this time he did it with that gigantic thing on his back. Moving suddenly, quickly, and stopping abruptly with that much weight is pretty impressive.

Indeed, and even when he bumped into the fake, he didn't even move an inch.

[southwick]

@semil:

Just a thought, but outside awesome moments for Zoro and Luffy, I think the most impressive thing we've seen so far is the speed Luffy moved to avoid the bullet. He was likely capable of moving that fast before, but this time he did it with that gigantic thing on his back. Moving suddenly, quickly, and stopping abruptly with that much weight is pretty impressive.

i thought that was him using mantra, well im rereading this for the 7th time

[semil]

@southwick:

i thought that was him using mantra, well im rereading this for the 7th time

I really hope you're joking, but its sad there's doubt.

[Zarnikon]

@southwick:

i thought that was him using mantra, well im rereading this for the 7th time

Even if he knew it was comming, he was still really fast cuz it doesn't take a lot of time to pull a trigger.

[rubia_ryu]

@Chicken:

I think you are on to something!

Luffy was using CoO to not notice Sogeking was Usopp as well. The evidence is piling up non-believers! :ninja:

Edit: Zoro uses CoO to get lost too.

Interesting… So does Chopper have it too? His being stupid really has convinced readers. It'll all prove to be an act later.

[andre]

Before he got to Enies Lobby when the train was going to crash he told them to "leave it to luck" on whether they survived or not, which I think qualifies(nvm, that was anime only). An example is when he got his sword in Loguetown and threw it in the air.

[Infinitus]

Well… Luffy has been formally schooled in the use of Haki. Thus he is far superior to others who just learned it by learning it themselves.
Zorro maybe knows Haki too, we do not know the extend of his training.
Sanji will probably have developped CoA, given that the MAMs (Martial Arts Masters) of Okama Kenpo seemed pretty badass.
Chopper? Chopper will have amassed knowledge like Nami. Usopp has gotten stronger, but Haki, no way.
We also do not know if Vegapunk has written stuff down about Haki, if not Franky might have no knowledge about it too.
I believe Robin knows at least about it, maybe can even use CoO or something, but probably not.
Ah yes, and Brook? Haki? None.
Training Haki usage takes quite some time. Training it and knowing what it is, is easier, as it is with stuff in school.

[rubia_ryu]

@andre:

Before he got to Enies Lobby when the train was going to crash he told them to "leave it to luck" on whether they survived or not, which I think qualifies(nvm, that was anime only). An example is when he got his sword in Loguetown and threw it in the air.

That line he said on the train as it flew was also in the manga.

Really, why do people not like Zoro's poetic side when he long had it? It doesn't detract from his… Zoro-ness.

Edit: With all this discussion about haki, mind taking it to the proper thread, ya'll?

[Rubber Fist Luffy]

Can you guys at least see more of Zoro before you start saying that his personality is totally different?