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Chapter 594: "Message" Discussion
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I think the tattoo was temporary .. I don't see any trace of it on page 15… Though Oda lacks some details from time to time, but it doesn't seem so this time?!
Franky was hilarious, I wonder where he will get new skin XD And Zorro, like always: clueless .. Ok, same for me: I didn't get the hidden message as well ..
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anyway, back on topic
something I didn't really get
is Kong above Sengoku in terms of authority?
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Yes he's above Sengoku. As well as the Cipher Pols, Seven Armed Seas, those government soldier guys, and probably other other parts of the WG.
He's the WG's Commander-In-Chief.
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anyway, back on topic
something I didn't really get
is Kong above Sengoku in terms of authority?
He announces his retirement @ Kong, it's quite obvious Kong is higher ranked.
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Interesting chapter. I guess we figured out that Rayleigh was referring to Zoro as the dumb one.
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I don't understand Nami's reaction. Could someone explain? what does she think Luffy is doing, or does she not understand?
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Yellow has a chart where his rank is put above the Marine , Cipher Pol , Shichibukai as well as the forces of Enies Lobby . I bet ID counts as well but they couldn't shot it at the time .
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Although the first letter of the ''tattoo'' could be a ''3'',what do these 3 days have to do with the time of gathering at this point?I mean so many days have already passed after the SA event…
I used some programs and zoomed the page as much as possible without losing its quality and i think the message is more likely close to SD2Y...
I believe that most of the message Luffy wanted to pass lies within his ''tattoo'',cause of some reactions...
For example Vivi's reaction,she must be talking about his ''tattoo''...or Chopper's reaction when he saw the picture at the newspaper,on page 16 top left...
Moreover that explains Luffy's ''Silent Prayer'',he was holding his hat that way so that his ''tattoo'' would be visible,but he was also ''hiding'' the true purpose of this prayer from the marines ^^About the other incidents,i am not so sure but i have think some things...
1)All his actions were a way to confuse the marines,making them believe that he wants to declare a war,or bury and pray the dead,while he was actually sending his crew a message through his "tattoo"...
2)If these actions were part of the message then:
a)The circle with the ship-->>"Burial at the sea" the only thing we've seen buried in the sea which is related to SH is Merry,BUT Brook wasn't there...It could mean just smt ''underwater'',meaning the Fishman Island?
b)16 times ringing the bell-->>8 times-Old Year,8 times-New Year...Maybe 8 times-Old ship{Sunny without modification},8 times-New Ship{Sunny with modification},declaring that Sunny is ready,or the meeting place?but they've got Vivre cards...
c)''Silent Prayer"-->>A way to show his "tattoo" w/o being noticed by the marines...Too many theories to think of,but my theory is that since SH have Vivre Cards,Luffy doesn't need to tell them WHERE to meet,but WHEN...
So for me the message is about Time mostly...
Moreover i believe that there is a higher possibility that he did all these actions just so that the marines will focus on these,and they won't give much attention to the real message which is hidden in his "tattoo"...
If it is like this:"SD2Y" then i believe that he is saying them "Sabaody's date is canceled,see ya in 2 years"
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All of you "SA2Y", or however it goes, folks:
Rayleigh says "they should get it if they read the article… The key is that it's something quite unlike you. Although, there were two... dull-looking men with you... Eh, I'm sure they should get the jist of it it."
So, he seems to specifically point out that the point of attention for Luffy's little scene was the 16 bells. If not, then why ring the bells in the first place at all?
Granted, this argument could be turned around to argue for the tattoo argument.
I read somewhere that it was the same as Ace's tattoo, though it doesn't look much like it.
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Does Luffy seem like the kind of guy who would wait for 2 years to see his nakama? Furthermore: why would they wait 2 years? That doesn't make sense. Training I particularly do not believe, especially with Luffy's high value friendship/family over all other things and then there was Sanji or Zoro's quote about how they had simply become stronger over time without noticing, together.
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Yeah Luffy isn't that kind of guy,but he is maybe starting to understand their situation,they are super-weak compared to their opponents,they are just not ready yet for the New World,they would be dead in 1min,Luffy himself said in a previous chapter that he is weak…
So instead of leaving the islands that kuma sent them in,they would better sit there and start training,since every single one of them can learn many things from these islands,or bridge
Just think about it,they were sent there for a reason,they can't just leave w/o learning anything...
I've got to admit though that 2 years,is way too long time of training,the way things are now,in 2 years,for example BB could be the Pirate King lol{just an example},considering that they have already crossed half GL,in less than a year...
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Alright, who are the two dumb guys in Luffy's crew Rayleigh refers to? One's the atheist. I would venture the other has to be Franky or Sanji. Usopp, Chopper, Nami, Robin and Brook(?) are quite intelligent, methinks. Come to think of it, there's quite an inverse proportion between brain and brawn in the strawhat crew.
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I don't understand Nami's reaction. Could someone explain? what does she think Luffy is doing, or does she not understand?
Nami is one of the most intelligent characters; she understands. If everybody else in the crew understands, one of the last possible options is that Nami does not.
Obviously, we will not fully understand Nami's reaction until we know what Luffy's message was. We can only be here, speculating
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@Zik:
There is no evidence of Hancock and Luffy getting married and it being public for the world to see.
It's unfortunate what possibilities you're currently concerned with.
I think it could boils down to:
1. Will Luffy not care about the idea of marriage to the point that he will marry Hancock to please her as a friend
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@cooldud_21:
Alright, who are the two dumb guys in Luffy's crew Rayleigh refers to? One's the atheist. I would venture the other has to be Franky or Sanji. Usopp, Chopper, Nami, Robin and Brook(?) are quite intelligent, methinks. Come to think of it, there's quite an inverse proportion between brain and brawn in the strawhat crew.
Emm,Rayleigh means himself and Jimbei,the guys who were at Luffy's side when he was doing all these actions :wassat:
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As a last attempt to crush this "3D2Y" theory: the tattoo would not be the message, as everybody in the world could see it. The message was seen to be something nobody besides the StrawHats understood.
WORD.
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@'Pa[i:
n.;1761094']Emm,Rayleigh means himself and Jimbei,the guys who were at Luffy's side when he was doing all these actions :wassat:
Rayleigh said: "They should get it if they read the article… The key is that it's something quite unlike you. Although there were two… dull-looking men with you... eh, I'm sure they'll get the jist of it."
Could be taken that the two guys were in Luffy's crew, innit? I see what you say makes sense as well.
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As a last attempt to crush this "3D2Y" theory: the tattoo would not be the message, as everybody in the world could see it. The message was seen to be something nobody besides the StrawHats understood.
WORD.
Well by that logic everyone int he world would also see the going around the marine base or w/e and the ringing of the bell and the praying… So i mean there could possibly be a message in both
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IMO,the "tattoo" no matter what its letters are,is either a part or the whole message…
Simply cause Luffy didn't have a "tattoo" like this be4 and i doubt he would care so much about creating a "tattoo" about his brother or whatever at a time like this...he may be dumb sometimes but when it comes to his nakamas he knows how to set his priorities...
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Nami is one of the most intelligent characters; she understands. If everybody else in the crew understands, one of the last possible options is that Nami does not.
Obviously, we will not fully understand Nami's reaction until we know what Luffy's message was. We can only be here, speculating
Hmm, okay… thanks :D
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well just re-read the past few chapters very quickly.. more like skimmed over them.. But Rayleigh said that law told him to tell luffy that he should rest 2 weeks. And it looks like there might be a 2 marking on his arm.(the tattoo or w/e it is) Wonder if they relate at all. if that indeed is a 2 on luffys arm.
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@'Pa[i:
n.;1761103']IMO,the "tattoo" no matter what its letters are,is either a part or the whole message…
Simply cause Luffy didn't have a "tattoo" like this be4 and i doubt he would care so much about creating a "tattoo" about his brother or whatever at a time like this...he may be dumb sometimes but when it comes to his nakamas he knows how to set his priorities...
It could possibly be just as a way to honor and remember him.
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Yeah that's why i am saying why would he do smt like that right now?
Right now he needs to clean up all this mess,why would he do a "tattoo"{IMO it's not even real}and tbh i can't see any "A" in it… -
Just looking at Kidd again, and he has a strong resemblance to Donflamingo. He believes in the strongest dominating, evident by his execution of those random people on that island, and then saying "live or die, bastards without even that much resolve shouldn't have come to this ocean in the first place".
He could end up working for Donflamingo without completely submitting to him (meaning that Kidd would have his own selfish ambitions in mind). Something like Kidd joining Donflamingo would make the expected "Donflamingo Saga" in the New World much more intense. Depends if Kidd is the type of guy to join someone to get ahead (and atm he doesn't seem the type).
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@$abZ:
Just looking at Kidd again, and he has a strong resemblance to Donflamingo. He believes in the strongest dominating, evident by his execution of those random people on that island, and then saying "live or die, bastards without even that much resolve shouldn't have come to this ocean in the first place".
He could end up working for Donflamingo without completely submitting to him (meaning that Kidd would have his own selfish ambitions in mind). Something like Kidd joining Donflamingo would make the expected "Donflamingo Saga" in the New World much more intense. Depends if Kidd is the type of guy to join someone to get ahead (and atm he doesn't seem the type).
almost pal, but there is one HUGE difference between them
kidd wants one piece, so that is basicly his aim/dream
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Those suction cups in the floating thingy kinda look like islands to me. There's forest ontop of each of em!
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Those suction cups in the floating thingy kinda look like islands to me. There's forest ontop of each of em!
Is it too grand for me to ask folks to start including links to what they're referencing? I.e. "Suction cup things".
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@'Pa[i:
n.;1761152']Yeah that's why i am saying why would he do smt like that right now?
Right now he needs to clean up all this mess,why would he do a "tattoo"{IMO it's not even real}and tbh i can't see any "A" in it…Well, we don't know how long it takes to do a tattoo in their world. He might as well have done it in the ship. Something to do…
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Well by that logic everyone int he world would also see the going around the marine base or w/e and the ringing of the bell and the praying… So i mean there could possibly be a message in both
It was something only the StrawHats could understand and the out-of-nowhere-ness of the 16 rings seems to be that something. Otherwise, do you think Luffy would choose for himself, or Rayleigh would choose for him, to declare the New Age of pirates.
Neigh.
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OK–I submit for your judgement, ladies and gentlemen of the forum, once and for all--here is Luffy's arm from when he met Rayleigh on AL–it's the arm on which there is writing in the currrent chapter. It is completely bandaged just like the rest of his body from the neck down, and there is no reason to think he's more healed there than anywhere else on his still bandaged body at this point in time. I believe he is wearing an arm band--not a tattoo.
I think the message is a combo of the things he did, or that some of it is meant to be a distraction from the actual message to make it more secure--which makes me think the bells are the distraction since they are what attracted the most notice--but I'm not married to that any more than Luffy is married to Boa (thank GOD! LOL)
Speaking of poor Luffy. Just laying there after the "funeral rites" at MF. :sad: Poor guy--and worrying. He never worries. He's up and around, still active and getting there, but still not our Luffy. Poor baby.
NW looks really awe inspiring. Can not wait to see it. Kid is one scary dude.
Funny scene with the Kuja plucking at Ray and Jumbei, lol! It's those details that make Oda Manga-King, lol.
So many details, and after wading through this monster of a thread so many of them went out of my head. Looking forward to the double issue next week (that doesn't mean a full 38-40 pages, though, right? ::sigh::)
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It was something only the StrawHats could understand and the out-of-nowhere-ness of the 16 rings seems to be that something. Otherwise, do you think Luffy would choose for himself, or Rayleigh would choose for him, to declare the New Age of pirates.
Neigh.
I just don't believe that Luffy knew about the significance of how many times you ring the bell, so Rayleigh admitting that he coerced Luffy into doing something that is not within his character, again, points towards the bell ringing.
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Well, we don't know how long it takes to do a tattoo in their world. He might as well have done it in the ship. Something to do…
Well i guess we will see that soon,no point in arguing here,it is just that Rayleigh is behind all these,so i believe every little thing has its own meaning,being more or less important,and since this "tattoo" has been created after Ray suggested Luffy following his idea,i believe that this "tattoo" is a part of Ray's plan and not a tribute to some1
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@$abZ:
Just looking at Kidd again, and he has a strong resemblance to Donflamingo. He believes in the strongest dominating, evident by his execution of those random people on that island, and then saying "live or die, bastards without even that much resolve shouldn't have come to this ocean in the first place".
He could end up working for Donflamingo without completely submitting to him (meaning that Kidd would have his own selfish ambitions in mind). Something like Kidd joining Donflamingo would make the expected "Donflamingo Saga" in the New World much more intense. Depends if Kidd is the type of guy to join someone to get ahead (and atm he doesn't seem the type).
Just one thing, it's not a mafia boss, is DoFlamingo. :happy:
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Is it too grand for me to ask folks to start including links to what they're referencing? I.e. "Suction cup things".
Did you read the chapter? It's on page 14:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/594/14/I don't know what else "suction cups" could possibly be a reference to. :P
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I guess this chapter answers the question as to why a lot of people in the war regognised Luffy using Haki.
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@'Pa[i:
n.;1761236']Well i guess we will see that soon,no point in arguing here,it is just that Rayleigh is behind all these,so i believe every little thing has its own meaning,being more or less important,and since this "tattoo" has been created after Ray suggested Luffy following his idea,i believe that this "tattoo" is a part of Ray's plan and not a tribute to some1
bah, sure. Someone has to explain it next chapter. :)
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I think the message is for the SH to all meet up at Ace's burial site in 16 days…
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isn't that somewhere in the New World?Chapter 590-Page 8…
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I don't know, a tattoo in Luffy's arm is cool, but it can be a little problematic to draw, I mean Oda will stretch the tattoo too when Luffy use his gomu gomu abilities? Anyway, he knows what he is doing…
If I write something wrong, excuse my english….
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I don't know, a tattoo in Luffy's arm is cool, but it can be a little problematic to draw, I mean Oda will stretch the tattoo too when Luffy use his gomu gomu abilities? Anyway, he knows what he is doing…
It's also possible that Luffy may stop using his rubber abilities to a lesser extent. For instance, he may stop using his Gears.
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@'Pa[i:
n.;1761343']isn't that somewhere in the New World?Chapter 590-Page 8…
oh yeah I forgot :O
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One piece is all about dreams. And if this guy Dreams of Boa and Luffy hooking up or something let him dream! The dream will be shattered only if it doesn't happen once one piece ends!
Ok, I dream Oda is captured by North Korean agents and slowly tortured to death in a prison camp over a fire while his planning pages and sketches are burned below him.
Let me dream!!!
