Let's not split positrons, Asimov. I was just trying to make a joke~~
The joke went down like a lead balloon mate LOL.
Let's not split positrons, Asimov. I was just trying to make a joke~~
The joke went down like a lead balloon mate LOL.
What do you think? Are Coby will follow Garp footsteps (has always been Vice Admiral during his career) or would follow Sengoku footsteps (Fleet Admiral at the end of his career)??
What do you think? Are Coby will follow Garp footsteps (has always been Vice Admiral during his career) or would follow Sengoku footsteps (Fleet Admiral at the end of his career)??
Well Coby's dream has always been to be a marine admiral.
Well Coby's dream has always been to be a marine admiral.
mmm…Do you think he able be an admiral in the end of One Piece? because i not see the 3 admiral will change again... except we will have war like Marineford before Luffy become a Pirate King.
In the fight between Whitebeard and Sakazuki, there was a clear winner ie Whitebeard. Sakazuki lost, therefore he was defeated, this isn't hard to grasp.
You don't need to be completely destroyed and not able to move after a fight to have it classed as a defeat.
So, fight in which Whitebeards attacks Akainu from behind, then gets half of his face melt off, then attacks Akainu again and puts him into a hole in the ground for the entirety of one chapter. And that's a clear win for Whitebeard.
Aokiji fights Jozu, Jozu looks awat for one panel, gets frozen a little, later gets frozen entirely. Not a clear win for Aokiji.
… I don't get your logic. I honestly don't.
So, fight in which Whitebeards attacks Akainu from behind, then gets half of his face melt off, then attacks Akainu again and puts him into a hole in the ground for the entirety of one chapter. And that's a clear win for Whitebeard.
Aokiji fights Jozu, Jozu looks awat for one panel, gets frozen a little, later gets frozen entirely. Not a clear win for Aokiji.
… I don't get your logic. I honestly don't.
Dude Jozu and Marco lost their fights because they got distracted, that fight could have gone either way
Dude Jozu and Marco lost their fights because they got distracted, that fight could have gone either way
But it didn't go either way. Also, the very fact that one second of being distracted was enough to instantly put an end to those fights speaks for itself.
By that logic I could say that the only reason Akainu lost to whitebeard was because Whitebeard attacked him by suprise. So I still don't get your logic.
But it didn't go either way. Also, the very fact that one second of being distracted was enough to instantly put an end to those fights speaks for itself.
By that logic I could say that the only reason Akainu lost to whitebeard was because Whitebeard attacked him by suprise. So I still don't get your logic.
It does speak for itself and it tell us that Oda didn't want to drag those two fights in particular because it will have taken to long to wrap them up and those guys will have another role in which Oda will showcase the true extent of their abilities.
The only difference was that Akainu wasn't done after Whitebeard punch him, so no he didn't lose because he got distracted.
So is the consensus among people on this thread that Kizaru is weaker than Akainu and Aokiji? Because I can't see that at all, I'd say Akainu is the strongest, followed by Kizaru(or maybe even equal to Kizaru), followed by Aokiji.
Kizaru can move at the speed of light, so it's safe to say he's probably the fastest character in the world of one piece, plus he was able to obliterate the base of that massive tree at Shabondy with one attack. Certainly he's on the same level as Aokiji, if not higher, so probably equal to Akainu.
Aokiji and Akainu were tied for 10 days. I think it's safe to say that they are pretty much equals.
Where Kizaru fits in i haven't got a clue. But i'd assume that he's not much further down than the other two.
I honestly foresee a fight between Luffy and Kizaru coming a bit later on in the series. So maybe after this fight, Kizaru will step down(I can't see Luffy killing Kizaru) and then Coby will take his place?? This would have to happen WAY later on though.
It does speak for itself and it tell us that Oda didn't want to drag those two fights in particular because it will have taken to long to wrap them up and those guys will have another role in which Oda will showcase the true extent of their abilities.
The only difference was that Akainu wasn't done after Whitebeard punch him, so no he didn't lose because he got distracted.
First two beams Kizaru fired while Marco was distracted didn't done him in though.
Neither Jozu was done after Aokiji froze his hand a little.
They were shown being defeated in the next chapter. They had way more time to react than Akainu had to whitebeard attack.
So no, I don't buy this argument.
So is the consensus among people on this thread that Kizaru is weaker than Akainu and Aokiji? Because I can't see that at all, I'd say Akainu is the strongest, followed by Kizaru(or maybe even equal to Kizaru), followed by Aokiji.
Kizaru can move at the speed of light, so it's safe to say he's probably the fastest character in the world of one piece, plus he was able to obliterate the base of that massive tree at Shabondy with one attack. Certainly he's on the same level as Aokiji, if not higher, so probably equal to Akainu.
Separating the Admirals in power is splitting hairs but now that we know Akainu is above Aokiji, by an absolutely marginal amount, there's no real reason to think he isn't above Kizaru as well. The strongest guy was made the new Fleet Admiral and leader of the Marines cause that's just how these things work out. Kizaru is like his right hand man who is pretty much equal but still, only pretty much, there's just no reason to think he'd give Akainu a harder fight than Aokiji cause that's… barely even conceivable.
First two beams Kizaru fired while Marco was distracted didn't done him in though.
Neither Jozu was done after Aokiji froze his hand a little.
They were shown being defeated in the next chapter. They had way more time to react than Akainu had to whitebeard attack.
So no, I don't buy this argument.
Marco got hit twice but thanks to his fruit he regenerated and kept going toward Whitebeard, Onigumo appeared and place some Kairoseki on him, Kizaru finished him right away. Marco never looked at Kizaru meaning he didn't fight back because he priority was to protect Whitebeard at that moment.
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Jozu got distracted as well and Kuzan took the opportunity to froze him, because Oda decided to show his arm frozen in one chapter and his body frozen in the other doesn't mean that Kuzan didn't froze him during that same attack.
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I think Tsuru would make a good right hand man, she got decades worth of experience for Akainu to call on.
I somehow imagine that she went with Garp and Sengoku when the old guard was replaced.
Yeah, I also can't see Tsuru staying without Garp, Sengoku and her boyfriend Kuzan being around.
I think Garp x Tsuru is a good couple.
Like Whitebeard was too old to be considered a yonko?
It's been made clear that age doesn't really detract strength in One Piece.
It's the opposite. Whtbeard is weaker, Rayleigh is weaker, Riku is weaker.
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So is the consensus among people on this thread that Kizaru is weaker than Akainu and Aokiji? Because I can't see that at all, I'd say Akainu is the strongest, followed by Kizaru(or maybe even equal to Kizaru), followed by Aokiji.
Kizaru can move at the speed of light, so it's safe to say he's probably the fastest character in the world of one piece, plus he was able to obliterate the base of that massive tree at Shabondy with one attack. Certainly he's on the same level as Aokiji, if not higher, so probably equal to Akainu.
I consider the three to be equal.
I want to ask: do you think Hina-san has become a VA right now? because I liked her speaking style and wants to see her in the new world.
I hope so. I'd like to see more of her; she only showed up a handful of times in Act 1.
There's another good couple: Smoker x Hina. (some people think Smoker and Tashigi go together, but he always seemed kind of like an older brother to Tashigi to me)
@Medical:
I hope so. I'd like to see more of her; she only showed up a handful of times in Act 1.
There's another good couple: Smoker x Hina. (some people think Smoker and Tashigi go together, but he always seemed kind of like an older brother to Tashigi to me)
I totally agree with you (Smoker X Hina) , and this is one of my reason
Smoker looks fat on that picture.
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Anyone else disappointed in the Marines showing at the end of Enies lobby arc, the way the tired SH crew owend them just made them look piss weak.
It's the opposite. Whtbeard is weaker, Rayleigh is weaker, Riku is weaker.
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I consider the three to be equal.
I'll try and make this clearer, age does not detract from power in a realistic way in One Piece.
Decades on and guys like Whitebeard are still incredibly top tier even at their advanced ages.
My original point was that even if Garp isn't quite as strong as in his prime, he's still as strong as the current admirals or thereabouts.
@kuma:
Smoker looks fat on that picture.
I love Hina-san expression.
@kuma:
Anyone else disappointed in the Marines showing at the end of Enies lobby arc, the way the tired SH crew owend them just made them look piss weak.
If the plot is not in favor of Luffy, he was dead multiple times (as Luffy said "I am always lucky")..
@kuma:
Anyone else disappointed in the Marines showing at the end of Enies lobby arc, the way the tired SH crew owend them just made them look piss weak.
I'm disappointed in the threatment of marines as a whole.
Riddle me this! When was the last time anyone of rank lower than Admiral won a fight against named character?
I'm disappointed in the threatment of marines as a whole.
Riddle me this! When was the last time anyone of rank lower than Admiral won a fight against named character?
When Maynard defeated Gambia. Not very long ago at all.
When Maynard defeated Gambia. Not very long ago at all.
Damnit! I forgot about this one. And he had a chapter named after him too…
So, in the entire series it will be...
Smoker vs Luffy in Longuetown
Hina vs Mr. 2
Smoker vs Luffy in Marineford
Maynard vs Gambia
Out of all of them... Only Hina does not get beaten or stopped immediatly in the same chapter as she wins. Sooooo.... yeah. Still disappointed.
Or did I miss someone?
When Maynard defeated Gambia. Not very long ago at all.
I think Maynard would do a lot of amazing stuff in dressrosa, considering his name was made into a chapter title, I was quite disappointed when he was immediately beaten by Bartolomeo.
Damnit! I forgot about this one. And he had a chapter named after him too…
So, in the entire series it will be...
Smoker vs Luffy in Longuetown
Hina vs Mr. 2
Smoker vs Luffy in Marineford
Maynard vs Gambia
Out of all of them... Only Hina does not get beaten or stopped immediatly in the same chapter as she wins. Sooooo.... yeah. Still disappointed.
Or did I miss someone?
Does Garp beaten Chinjao count?
Damnit! I forgot about this one. And he had a chapter named after him too…
So, in the entire series it will be...
Smoker vs Luffy in Longuetown
Hina vs Mr. 2
Smoker vs Luffy in Marineford
Maynard vs Gambia
Out of all of them... Only Hina does not get beaten or stopped immediatly in the same chapter as she wins. Sooooo.... yeah. Still disappointed.
Or did I miss someone?
If we're counting flashbacks….
Garp Vs. Chinjao
Borsalino Vs. Arlong
Kuzan Vs. Saul
We also had strong showings at Marineford from guys like Dalmatian (When schooling Luffy) and Onigumo (When helping to take down Marco) even if they weren't outright wins.
If we're counting flashbacks….
Garp Vs. Chinjao
Borsalino Vs. Arlong
Kuzan Vs. Saul
We also had strong showings at Marineford from guys like Dalmatian (When schooling Luffy) and Onigumo (When helping to take down Marco) even if they weren't outright wins.
If you don't consider it a real outright win, why then would you consider it a 'schooling'?
Damnit! I forgot about this one. And he had a chapter named after him too…
So, in the entire series it will be...
Smoker vs Luffy in Longuetown
Hina vs Mr. 2
Smoker vs Luffy in Marineford
Maynard vs Gambia
Out of all of them... Only Hina does not get beaten or stopped immediatly in the same chapter as she wins. Sooooo.... yeah. Still disappointed.
Or did I miss someone?
Magellan Vs Luffy
Magellan Vs Ivankov
Magellan Vs Inazuma
Hannyabal Vs Luffy
Hannyabal Vs Buggy & Mr 3
@LUFFYSMC:
If you don't consider it a real outright win, why then would you consider it a 'schooling'?
Because the fight never finished, it was just a skirmish really.
Dalmatian very much had the upper hand on Luffy.
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Magellan Vs Luffy
Magellan Vs Ivankov
Magellan Vs Inazuma
I wouldn't count Magellan in this case. He was a warden, affiliated with the WG yes, but not an actual ranked marine.
Magellan Vs Luffy
Magellan Vs Ivankov
Magellan Vs Inazuma
Hannyabal Vs Luffy
Hannyabal Vs Buggy & Mr 3
When did Hannyabal beat Luffy?
Because the fight never finished, it was just a skirmish really.
Dalmatian very much had the upper hand on Luffy.
Wasn't that either a Luffy who although people kept attacking him mainly just kept trying to get closer to Ace almost relentlessly oftentimes ignoring being hit, a Luffy almost out of
'hormones energy/ vitality/ w. e., or the Luffy that took on 2 VA's + an Admiral kinda working
in concert with each other?
@LUFFYSMC:
When did Hannyabal beat Luffy?
Nope, i just want to give appreciation for his efforts to hold luffy.
@LUFFYSMC:
When did Hannyabal beat Luffy?
Wasn't that either a Luffy who although people kept attacking him mainly just kept trying to get closer to Ace almost relentlessly oftentimes ignoring being hit, a Luffy almost of 'hormones energy/ vitality/ w. e., or the Luffy that took on 2 VA's + an
Admiral kinda working in concert with each other?
Yeah there are loads of factors to take into account, but it was still an impressive showing from Dalmatian.
Yeah there are loads of factors to take into account, but it was still an impressive showing from Dalmatian.
Was it he dodged an attack from luffy and landed one hit on him, was it really all that impressive considering Luffy physical state at the time.
@kuma:
Was it he dodged an attack from luffy and landed one hit on him, was it really all that impressive considering Luffy physical state at the time.
I think it was a little more than that.
I was impressed anyway.
Just imagine what the Marines could do with 101 of that man.
I see what you did there
Don't look now kids but Solid is watching us.
Ya'll young ones might not remember this old old oldtimer. But he was there through it all.
And now he just creepily watches us all from his little perch. Never saying anything.
Fashionable fur coats?
Exactly!
As well as the finest silk, courtesy of Vice Admiral Onigumo.
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Don't look now kids but Solid is watching us.
Ya'll young ones might not remember this old old oldtimer. But he was there through it all.
And now he just creepily watches us all from his little perch. Never saying anything.
Getting his rocks off to the General Marines Thread, just as God intended.
If we're counting flashbacks….
Garp Vs. Chinjao
Borsalino Vs. Arlong
Kuzan Vs. Saul
We also had strong showings at Marineford from guys like Dalmatian (When schooling Luffy) and Onigumo (When helping to take down Marco) even if they weren't outright wins.
Okay, we even consider Dalmatians and Onigumo fight with Luffy a minor win. That, counting flashbacks, would make 8 fights. Now, how many of them went other way around…? Counting named characters only, since the first arc. Not counting guys beaten by Whitebeard, just as I like didn't count guys beaten by Admirals.
Okay.
Morgan vs Luffy
Fullbody vs Sanji
Pudding Pudding vs Arlong Pirates
Smoker stopped by Dragon in Longuetown
Tashigi vs Zoro
Smoker imprissoned by Crocodile
Tashigi vs Robin
Doflamingo manipulating Stainless and Mozambia
T-bone vs Zoro
Sharinguru, Shu and Very Good vs Straw Hats
Coby and Helmeppo vs Luffy and Zoro at Water 7
Oars vs Lacroix
Smoker stopped by Hancock
Hina evaded by Luffy, effortlessly
Coby vs Luffy
Fisher Tiger vs Kadar
Jinbei vs Strawberry
Smoker vs Law, Vergo, Ceasar and Doflamingo at Punk Hazard
Tashigi vs Law, Ceasar and Monet
Maynard vs Bartolomeo
That's 29 loses for marines. 23 if we count only clear defeats in combat. And multiple loses for the same characters. And that's not even counting guys that aren't named and are just used as a fodder, regulary. One Piece is unfair to the marines.
Counting named characters only, since the first arc. Not counting guys beaten by Whitebeard, just as I like didn't count guys beaten by Admirals.
If we not counting guys beaten by Admiral, we shouldn't counting guys beaten by Hancock, Doffy, and Dragon, because they are portrayed on Admiral level.
If we want to fair with the Marine, then we should count all battle.
Morgan Vs Luffy
Fulbody Vs Sanji
Pudding-Pudding Vs Hatchan, Chew, Kuroobi
Bellemere-san Vs Arlong
Nezumi Vs Zoro, Nami
Tashigi Vs Zoro
Smoker Vs Buggy, Alvida
Smoker Vs Luffy
Smoker Vs Dragon
Tashigi Vs Robin
Hina-san Vs Mr.2 Bon Clay
Kuzan Vs Robin, Zoro, Sanji, Luffy, Usoop, Chopper, Nami
T-bone Vs Zoro
Shu Vs Zoro
Very Good Vs Franky
Glove Vs Franky
Helmeppo Vs Zoro
Coby Vs Luffy
Kizaru Vs Hawkins, Uruge, Apoo, X-Drake
Kizaru Vs Zoro, Luffy, Sanji, Brook, Nami, Robin, Franky, Chopper, Usopp
Momongga Vs Hancock
Bogart Vs Buggy
Lacroix Vs Oars Jr
Ronse Vs WB
Smoker Vs Luffy
Smoker Vs Hancock
Full Body, Jango, Hina Vs Luffy
John Giant Vs WB
Kuzan Vs Luffy
Coby Vs Luffy
Kibin Vs Luffy
Kuzan Vs Jozu
Kizaru, Onigumo Vs Marco
Akainu Vs Ace
Akainu Vs WB
Akainu Vs Ivankov, Inazuma
Akainu Vs Jinbei
Akainu Vs WB Commander + Croc
Catacombo Vs Hancock
Kadar Vs Fisher Tiger, Jinbei, Arlong
Strawberry Vs Fisher Tiger
Strawberry Vs Jinbei, Arlong
Kizaru Vs Arlong
Tashigi Vs Law
Smoker Vs Law
Smoker, Tashigi Vs CC
Tashigi Vs Vergo
Tashigi Vs Monet
Smoker Vs Vergo
Smoker Vs DD
Maynard Vs Gambia
Maynard Vs Bartolomeo
Garp Vs Chinjao
20 Marine X 33 Pirate
….Did I miss someone?…
Bogart fought Buggy? How could i have missed this
Oh for gods sake…
Bogart fought Buggy? How could i have missed this
Boggart is a person who imprisoned Buggy.
Boggart is a person who imprisoned Buggy.
When? Where? How? I don't remember any of this ever happening in the manga.