We don't even know if Arlong got out of ID, and people are already making him alternately the next villain, an ally, or a minor boss for Nami to decimate.
We don't even know if he was at ID or in some other prison…
We don't even know if Arlong got out of ID, and people are already making him alternately the next villain, an ally, or a minor boss for Nami to decimate.
We don't even know if he was at ID or in some other prison…
We don't even know if Arlong got out of ID, and people are already making him alternately the next villain, an ally, or a minor boss for Nami to decimate.
That's the thing. I'm sure that if Arlong had been at ID we would have seen him, especially had he gotten freed. Which begs the question, where is he?
I don't think he'll join either - that's just stupid, but I am wondering his current whereabouts. Isn't ID a prison specifically for pirates? If so why wouldn't he and his crew be there? The only thing I can think of is if there's a special prison for fishmen, and Jinbei was only in ID because the marines didn't have enough time to take him there.
Or maybe, just mayyyyybe, there are more prisons than one in the world.
That's the thing. I'm sure that if Arlong had been at ID we would have seen him, especially had he gotten freed. Which begs the question, where is he?
I don't think he'll join either - that's just stupid, but I am wondering his current whereabouts. Isn't ID a prison specifically for pirates? If so why wouldn't he and his crew be there? The only thing I can think of is if there's a special prison for fishmen, and Jinbei was only in ID because the marines didn't have enough time to take him there.
Impel Down is a long way from the island in East Blue that Nami lived on. Why would they have taken Arlong there in the first place? Why would any of you even ASSUME they would take Arlong there in the first place? Don't forget, the reason Buggy was taken there was because he followed Luffy into the Grand Line a long time ago.
Impel Down is a long way from the island in East Blue that Nami lived on. Why would they have taken Arlong there in the first place? Why would any of you even ASSUME they would take Arlong there in the first place? Don't forget, the reason Buggy was taken there was because he followed Luffy into the Grand Line a long time ago.
Completely true… One simple example about random prison x... Look at BW cover stories or do you think they broke out of Impel Down and that Mr 1 was a level 6 prisoner with Croc
Imagine if Arlong actually joined
Arlong: "So…. Sup?"
Nami: "..."
Arlong: "So... let's kick that bad pirate's ass, haha"
Nami: "..."
Arlong: "What a douche, he actually used Pluton to destroy this city"
Nami: "..."
Arlong: "Don't worry, I'l protect you"
Nami: "..."
Cue Kill Bill's music
Imagine if Arlong actually joined
Arlong: "So…. Sup?"
Nami: "..."
Arlong: "So... let's kick that bad pirate's ass, haha"
Nami: "..."
Arlong: "What a douche, he actually used Pluton to destroy this city"
Nami: "..."
Arlong: "Don't worry, I'l protect you"
Nami: "..."Cue Kill Bill's music
Arlong: Nami!!!
Nami: Thunder Bolt Tempo
Arlong dies
Luffy: WOW SANJI!!! we have a big fish today
I would think that they'd just kill Arlong. What he did wasn't particularly outrageous compared to other pirates, but he bribed a (lame) Marine Captain. Just to shove that fact under the rug they'd probably kill him and his crew, which they might have been set to do when Hacchi escaped.
To be fair, although I don't see Arlong being a crewmate, I can see Arlong being redeemed as a character, when we find out he had a far shittier life than Nami
To be fair, although I don't see Arlong being a crewmate, I can see Arlong being redeemed as a character, when we find out he had a far shittier life than Nami
I dunno. Arlong went down the slippery slope the moment he killed Bellmere.
It's like if Hancock had killed Margaret and the others. There's no shitty past that would make such an act "okay".
To be fair, although I don't see Arlong being a crewmate, I can see Arlong being redeemed as a character, when we find out he had a far shittier life than Nami
Had he not killed Bellemere, I would agree. However that really throws a dent into the whole thing.
Bellemere is actually alive and is the new villan in Fishman Island, Arlong was just a pawn in her hand to control east blue(the dead was just a scheme), he failed and will be punished accordingly.
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You people are getting out of hand with your recent discussion. It is truly absurd.
I hope baby Chun Li brings you back to your senses. Arlong!!!…Seriously...Seriously!!. Seriously!!!
I dunno. Arlong went down the slippery slope the moment he killed Bellmere.
It's like if Hancock had killed Margaret and the others. There's no shitty past that would make such an act "okay".
Had he not killed Bellemere, I would agree. However that really throws a dent into the whole thing.
Are you guys sure you wouldn't feel him a little more redeemable when you find out he lost all his family and was enslaved for 30 years?
Even if he did, I'd still expect him to get the Crocodile treatment at most.
Are you guys sure you wouldn't feel him a little more redeemable when you find out he lost all his family and was enslaved for 30 years?
Nah, even if that is the case, she didn't enslave him or kill his family. It wouldn't be right if one of the straw hats was a murderer. If anyone brings up Robin she had to to get by and her killing people was most likely be the result of getting betrayed. Someone who killed because he thought he was superior to humans and had the power to do so should never join the Strawhats.
I ain't saying he would join the Strawhats
I'm saying there's a possibility to make him a redeemable Villain character, even if he killed Nami's mother
This was semi-foreshadowed when Jimbei talked about it, before the war
I ain't saying he would join the Strawhats
I'm saying there's a possibility to make him a redeemable Villain character, even if he killed Nami's mother
This was semi-foreshadowed when Jimbei talked about it, before the war
Something like that is beyond redeemable. the only reason she forgave hatchan for even hanging around Arlong was that he wasn't the person responsible for her suffering. Arlong is a bastard and will always be a bastard, unless Oda does an asspull and he changes character if Luffy saves Fishman Island
Jimbei never talked about Arlong, let alone anything happening to Arlong.
He mentioned feeling guilty about something and it showed a picture of Arlong.
Jinbei wasn't talking about Arlong being redeemable. He was saying (or thinking) that he felt like he should apologize to Luffy, because in his disbandment of the Sunny Pirates caused Arlong to run wild and thus he indirectly caused the events leading up to Arlong Park. At least that's my take on it.
You people are getting out of hand with your recent discussion. It is truly absurd.
I hope baby Chun Li brings you back to your senses. Arlong!!!…Seriously...Seriously!!. Seriously!!!
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Agreed. This is a sad day for AP forums with all these people disscussing over Arlong…makes me wanna erase my account so that other forums don't realize that I also post here...
Meh, I still stand by my prediction
I can see Oda showing Arlong as one of those fishmen who had to suffer for a long time until they got saved by the big fishmen (forgot his name), and turning our whole negative reaction we had on Arlong to the World Government and its corruption.
It might just be Jimbei apologizing cause Arlong sucks, of course, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was something a little more unpredictable
Agreed. This is a sad day for AP forums with all these people disscussing over Arlong…makes me wanna erase my account so that other forums don't realize that I also post here...
BTW only one asshole ever said Arlong would join, what we're discussing is the possibility of him being redeemable or at least explained - which should belong in the Fishman Island thread, not here.
His prejudice against humans is probably going to get worse because Fishman Island is most likely in disarray thanks to humans. Arlong will be Arlong, he ain't goiing to change character.
I'm not sure why you guys even want Arlong redeemed. He's a pretty good character as just a cold bastard. And even assuming he was redeemed he still wouldn't be accepted, leaving him as a ruined character that's just back for the purpose of being back.
I'm not saying Arlong is gonna become a good character and act friendly
I'm saying we're gonna find out why he's like this, and he's gonna naturally be more redeemable, even if he keeps doing a lot of bad shit
And, oh yes, get ready to see a lot of Fishmen getting the short end of the stick, cause this island is gonna be in the most chaotic state ever now that Whitebeard is dead
It would be cool to see Arlong again anyway.
Meh, I still stand by my prediction
I can see Oda showing Arlong as one of those fishmen who had to suffer for a long time until they got saved by the big fishmen (forgot his name), and turning our whole negative reaction we had on Arlong to the World Government and its corruption.It might just be Jimbei apologizing cause Arlong sucks, of course, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was something a little more unpredictable
Both are true.
Arlong was pretty obviously influenced by the way Fishmen are treated.
Jimbei can still feel guilty about him doing what he did.
Arlong is still my favorite villain in the series. He was ruthless, nasty, powerful, and one of the first really crazy battles of the series. Using water like bullets, or his giant saw blade to climb buildings, it was all great. And the satisfaction that came from Luffy beating him down really hasnt been matched.
A lot of people will point to Crocodile and say he did it all better… but Crocodile was being a villain for the sake of world conquest, and is slowly, surely, inevitably, redeeming himself. Nothing he did was quite as menacing or horrific as what Arlong did, plus Arlong was just... an utter asshole.
Also I dig the hawaiian shirts.
makes me wanna erase my account so that other forums don't realize that I also post here…
That can be arranged.
How is he going to be redeemable if he keeps on doing bad shit?
If anything Oda would show him as a hypocrite, someone who answers hate with hate so strongly that you lose sympathy for them.
It's like a Black Panther group leaving Alabama and taking over a village in rural Moldova who they mistreat violently.
I mean sure they are angry black guys who experienced intense racism in the US, but fuck them, what did a bunch of poor Romanians do to them or any black people ever?
@RobbyBevard:
That can be arranged.
…forgot to add [sarcasm] my apologies
@JERK:
If anything Oda would show him as a hypocrite, someone who answers hate with hate so strongly that you lose sympathy for them.
It's like a Black Panther group leaving Alabama and taking over a village in rural Moldova who they mistreat violently.
I mean sure they are angry black guys who experienced intense racism in the US, but fuck them, what did a bunch of poor Romanians do to them or any black people ever?
Maybe make him incredibly redeemable in the beginning of the arc when we see a flashback where a lot of bad shit happens to him and then at the end make us hate him again when he kills Hatchi and Camie? Derp
How is he going to be redeemable if he keeps on doing bad shit?
Croc ended up saving Ace's life, and Luffy's, during the war, and ultimatley sided with Whitebeard despite his initial intent to go against him, and Ivankov has hinted at some crazy secret of his past that, someday, we'l probably learn.
He's going down the Vegeta road.
Maybe make him incredibly redeemable in the beginning of the arc when we see a flashback where a lot of bad shit happens to him and then at the end make us hate him again when he kills Hatchi and Camie? Derp
Knowing that Arlong once wanted to ride a feris wheel won't redeem him.
He's pretty much the most ruthless murderous villain Oda ever did, one of the only ones to blatantly kill innocent people on camera and enslave others.
Even Croc for all his schemes, never personally managed to kill anyone on camera. He may have been the leading cause for a large number of deaths, but I don't believe he actually killed anyone. I know for sure Wapol, Enel, CP9 and the Tenryubiito didn't.
It can be assumed all of the people you talked about killed a lot of people, except for maybe Wapol
CP9 must have killed far more than Arlong and Crocodile together
I personally care as much about kill in-cameras as kill off-camera, I'm not gonna give priority to one guy just because we actually saw him killing someone
By that logic, Caribou is far more ruthless than Crocodile, CP9 and Enel
If Arlong does come back I can see him fight Hachan, while Hachan defends the SHs and tries to convince Arlong that not all humans are alike and what they did was wrong. Then we can have a flashback to the Sunny Pirates.
On the other hand, I don't think Arlong will come back because Oda still has to convince his readers that fishmen aren't inherently bad and Arlong reappearing might mess that up.
I'm guessing there's a 35/65 chance of Arlong appearing vs. not appearing. He will most likely be mentioned or at least appear in a flashback, though.
Also I have a hard time thinking of Arlong as worse than the Tenryuubito - slavery was essentially described as worse than death.
It can be assumed all of the people you talked about killed a lot of people, except for maybe Wapol
CP9 must have killed far more than Arlong and Crocodile together
I personally care as much about kill in-cameras as kill off-camera, I'm not gonna give priority to one guy just because we actually saw him killing someoneBy that logic, Caribou is far more ruthless than Crocodile, CP9 and Enel
If the people he killed on camera stay dead, then yes, he's the most threatening villain we've had in a while.
And far as I recall, Crocodile never killed anyone. Sure, he PLANNED the deaths of millions of people, but he didn't actually succeed. Sure, he ran away from those guys that drank the suicide potion, but that was their own doing. We're told that the rebels and the Alabasta kingdom had losses, but… no one we know, no one we saw. As far as we know, every single one of them got by with a few scratches.
Reputation doesn't mean anything if a characters supposed past deeds don't match up to their present. If a trained assassin can't manage to kill a single person that we see, then why are we to believe they ever succeeded before? Its unwritten rule that the main heroes have crazy stamina and will survive whatever is thrown at them, and thats fine, but when a generic grunt can survive a bomb to the face followed by a gunshot... or a dose of deadly acid poison, or a wave of magma, or biting off their own tongue... it takes a lot away from the villain's menace and the heroes' accomplishment.
Thats why Oda playing so cheaply with the threat of death diminishes it so much.
I hope Caribou managed to truly murder those guys. I really do. It'd be a step back towards putting some legit menace into the world.
Didn't Croc kill a bunch of fodder pirates during his first few scenes?
He did, but they weren't anybody the crew was attached to.
@Dan:
Didn't Croc kill a bunch of fodder pirates during his first few scenes?
They were fodder pirates who were pillaging a village, not a retired marine looking after adopted kids
The level of emotional heaviness needed to deal with redeeming Arlong would go waaaay beyond the point of One Piece being what it is.
They were fodder pirates who were pillaging a village, not a retired marine looking after adopted kids
Yeah yeah, i'm just saying it doesn't seem Robby was correct in saying Croc never killed anyone.
@RobbyBevard:
Croc ended up saving Ace's life, and Luffy's, during the war, and ultimatley sided with Whitebeard despite his initial intent to go against him, and Ivankov has hinted at some crazy secret of his past that, someday, we'l probably learn.
He's going down the Vegeta road.
I was referring to Arlong because someone posted he would still be redeemable even if he is doing bad stuff. His prejudice against humans will be at its penultimate point because of the crap that is most likely happening in Fishman Island. Unlike Croc I don't see Arlong with any redeemable qualities, he is just a cold bastard with a superiority complex
@Dan:
Yeah yeah, i'm just saying it doesn't seem Robby was correct in saying Croc never killed anyone.
We don't know, he probably has. He hasn't directly killed anyone innocent on screen or anyone related to the crew. It would be like Croc killing Kaya, Garp or any person related to any of the crew members then being forgiven and redeemed, would be total bullshit.
No, i'm not comparing Croc and Arlong myself. I was taking issue with this:
And far as I recall, Crocodile never killed anyone
That's all. Doesn't matter if they're close to the crew or innocent or w/e. Croc has still killed on screen.
oh god…I just had a vision...ARLONG 4 NAKAMA!!!!
*starts blabbering nonsense like a perona fanboy
@Dan:
No, i'm not comparing Croc and Arlong myself. I was taking issue with this:
That's all.
Sorry. Yep, it is a bit silly to presume that he hasn't killed anyone considering that he is a psycho.
Why do people want that much to see Arlong again. What do you expect from him that wouldn't suck?
@Dan:
That's all. Doesn't matter if they're close to the crew or innocent or w/e. Croc has still killed on screen.
We as the reader haven't seen who he has killed. There are millions of people that die in the world, but people will feel personal sadness because the news has run a story on a child that has been abused by their parents, it's fucked up but that is the way it is
The pirates probably survived that ordeal anyway .