You're Professors now ?
In what, arrogance ?
Last Two Nakamates (vol. 5)
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Oh sorry, I forgot Mr.2 and Mr.3 were the products of bad writing…
I don't see either of them on the crew…
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AGOG: terrible theory of doors
The Multitude: That was terrible
Sebbe & Connard: HOOWWWW AROGGAANNNTTThis is why I'm actually starting to believe Sebbe and Connard to be worse than AGOG… they defend his terrible arguments and act like we're persecuting them when all we're doing is babyfeeding them Creative Writing 101
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I don't see either of them on the crew…
And we're obviously more educated than you lot in creative writing Super Connard...:getlost:Ok, let's throw Robin in there too…
This is why I'm actually starting to believe Sebbe and Connard to be worse than AGOG… they defend his terrible arguments and act like we're persecuting them when all we're doing is babyfeeding them Creative Writing 101
The biggest difference I see between Perona supporters is that while we write arguments, you write things like these.
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AGOG: terrible theory of doors
The Multitude: That was terrible
Sebbe & Connard: HOOWWWW AROGGAANNNTTand yet there are people who need to be told this for them to even come close to understanding it…
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This discussion is a waste of words.
Connard: Nggg, now you leave AGOG alone GLAVIN, if he wants to make theories about Perona being the Pirate King then you let him you cyber bullies!
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Ok, let's throw Robin in there too…
She was the second in command to the big bad… that's not a bit character and she was mysteriously lending aid to Luffy/trying to thwart Croc in the end. WHAT HAS PERONA ACTUALLY DONE THAT'S ON PAR WITH ROBIN? Nothing. Hence she is just a recurring bit character.
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The public poll, and your persistent defense of AGOG.
I'm not against Perona joining per se but I don't think she's ll make it.
The more votes Perona gets the more pissed off some people will get. So of course I voted Perona out of the 3 choices.
If Perona end us joining this forum will explode and I'd like to see that happen.
True.I think AGOG is being unfairly persecuted.
He puts a lot of work in his posts and he's being polite overall. The mods should stick up for the guy and actually sanction the people who insult him and bully him in defiance of the rules of this forum.
But I guess fairness is too much to ask from the mods around here.And I'd rather hang out with AGOG than an ugly multitude hell bent on cowardly bullying some guy on an Internet forum.
What you guys really hate in fact is not AGOG's theories but the fact that he's standing up alone to the "multitudes".
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It was obvious that Robin was at the very least a significant character when she saved Luffy.
Perona has done nothing like that.
I think AGOG is being unfairly persecuted.
He puts a lot of work in his posts and he's being polite overall.You know AGOG is often much ruder than we are. But don't let facts get in your way, continue idolizing this messianic view you have of him.
It won't save you in the end.
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Let's not go there again.
ahahah
But concerning AGOG's reply to your post, flame me all you want, but I don't think you were being reasonable either. Your argument doesn't provide an alternate storyline speculation, it provides an insult to Oda about how he would just think up his plots for the heck of it.
The fuck?? What is with you retards? You literally think that Oda using Perona for fun is an insult??? What the hell??
And if you look closer, AGOG actually does make a counter-argument eventually. Your argument is "Perona was paired up with Zoro as a random idea just for entertainment purposes," and AGOG replies by bringing up how Perona was sent away from Thriller Bark to begin with.
WHICH IS NOT A COUNTER ARGUEMENT
HOW DOES THAT COUNTER WHAT I SAID"If Perona was just added for the heck of it, then why put so much effort into it? Oda is a much better writer than that."
What effort???
He used her as an example for Kuma to steamroll over, then reususes her for fun. What the hell is complex or hard about that???The fuck is with you people?? You have no idea whatsoever how storytelling, let alone pulp action adventure storytelling, works.
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Robin saved Luffy's life, not once but twice.
and lol @ connard's: "THIS IS AN INTERNET INQUISITION"
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I never thought I'd see worse Perona supporters then AGOG, but his white knight wannabe screaming "U R PERSECUTING US!" is definitely worse… poor bastard is delusional... I bet he has another persona called Fred to talk to...
Edit: Seriously Connard, the internet is such srs bsns, we're clearly negatively affecting AGOG's psyche with our counter arguments, right? That's why he continues to idiotically spew the same crap we've countered in response to what we say, right? -
he's being polite overall. The mods should stick up for the guy and actually sanction the people who insult him and bully him in defiance of the rules of this forum.
But I guess fairness is asking for too much with the mods around here.The last time I argued with him, he spent the next month following me around and calling me an idiot who can't read (even though he was the only one who thought he was right).
Now, if you insist on preaching to me without understanding anything about the situation, then why don't you tell me exactly what I've done that's "unfair."
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She was the second in command to the big bad… that's not a bit character and she was mysteriously lending aid to Luffy/trying to thwart Croc in the end.
Details, details, details. She was a bit character with a higher rank and she was aiding Luffy because she never trusted Crocodile.
WHAT HAS PERONA ACTUALLY DONE THAT'S ON PAR WITH ROBIN?Nothing. Hence she is just a recurring bit character.
Did One Piece end? Is there no more room for anything regarding Perona to happen? If so, then sure.
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Hancock !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Creative Writing 101 for Herr Sebe and AGOG and probably Connard.
1. Reoccuring characters may be little more then cameo roles, walk bys, single liners, or temporary episodic returns. Nothing about re-use or re-appearance is inately significant.
2. Authors, particularly those of pulp action adventure genres, do a great deal of what they do for the purposes of thrill and fun. Indiana Jones shoots a sword wielding arab assassin not because of any particular reason, but because it's funny. This is not "fucking around" or "bad storytelling", it's bit moments like this that make up the bread and butter of why we enjoy these series. Emotional and thematic reasons fulfilly another part of the brain.
1\. Ace (√), 2\. WB (√), 3\. BB (X), 4\. Perona (√) 5\. Boa (√) 6\. Jimbei (???), 7\. Sabo lives (√), 8\. Timeskip (√)
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With the way some people cry.. you'd think
Perona supporters are the jews of AP forums
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Super Connard, welcome to the Perona side of the Nakamates Thread. Here it won't matter what you say. All you're gonna get back is a reply to a wrongly twisted version of your own argument and some sort of comment on how you're supposedly retarded.
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Details, details, details. She was a bit character with a higher rank and she was aiding Luffy because she never trusted Crocodile.
Her entrance was mysteriously blowing up a ship and appearing in the midst of the strawhats, announcing she'd let vivi follow her to find out Mr 0's identity. That is not an entrance for a bit character.
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Pointless member bashing posts or criticisms that aren't constructive will earn a few day thread ban.; far too many one-liner members are coming out of the woodwork to basically say nothing at all. Take a pointer from certain other members and include an argument or two if you want to point out the… flaws... in another post. Just keep it civil.
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@JERK:
2. Authors, particularly those of pulp action adventure genres, do a great deal of what they do for the purposes of thrill and fun. Indiana Jones shoots a sword wielding arab assassin not because of any particular reason, but because it's funny. This is not "fucking around" or "bad storytelling", it's bit moments like this that make up the bread and butter of why we enjoy these series. Emotional and thematic reasons fulfilly another part of the brain.
As a mater of fact he did that because Harrison Ford had diarhea and couldn't perform the stunts needed to fight an assassin. Quite fun none the less.
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My theory: Luffy will be the next member of the Strawhat crew
Think about it. All the previous members (Zoro, Sanji, Usopp, Nami, Chopper, Brook, Franky, Robin) have had flashbacks!
Read on from here: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/582/16/
It's a flashback about Luffy! Not only that, but Luffy has a goal like all the other Strawhats: to become the Pirate King.In addition, he's funny and goofy and he even has a Strawhat, which fits in with the theme of the crew. He's pretty strong, and I could easily see him take the position of captain in the crew.
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she was aiding Luffy because she never trusted Crocodile.
Which proved she had more story significance than "generic underling 4". Which is completely different from Perona's situation.
Your only argument is that all her development will happen in the future, an argument which can be applied to anyone from Makino to Law, from Shanks to Aokiji, from Higuma the Bear to Hiruluk's resurrected corpse.
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Details, details, details. She was a bit character with a higher rank and she was aiding Luffy because she never trusted Crocodile.
She was not a bit character, Oda drew her very distinctly making her stick out like a sore thumb.
And you'd have to be an idiot to assume she was a simple henchwoman after reading Alabasta. Considering the many strange behaviors, her complicity in the newly revealed mystery of poneglyphs, her bounty and history mentioned by the Marines with Tashigi.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/201/15/
She didn't save Luffy to spite Crocodile, complete bullshit. She had genuine interest in him.The whole fact that she distrusted Crocodile, and he revealed their relationship was more a partnership then a boss and baddie. Is all hint of her deeper furture application.
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My theory: Luffy will be the next member of the Strawhat crew
Think about it. All the previous members (Zoro, Sanji, Usopp, Nami, Chopper, Brook, Franky, Robin) have had flashbacks!
Read on from here: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/582/16/
It's a flashback about Luffy! Not only that, but Luffy has a goal like all the other Strawhats: to become the Pirate King.In addition, he's funny and goofy and he even has a Strawhat, which fits in with the theme of the crew. He's pretty strong, and I could easily see him take the position of captain in the crew.
Nah, I don't see him joining the SH.:getlost:
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@JERK:
Creative Writing 101 for Herr Sebe and AGOG and probably Connard.
1. Reoccuring characters may be little more then cameo roles, walk bys, single liners, or temporary episodic returns. Nothing about re-use or re-appearance is inately significant.
2. Authors, particularly those of pulp action adventure genres, do a great deal of what they do for the purposes of thrill and fun. Indiana Jones shoots a sword wielding arab assassin not because of any particular reason, but because it's funny. This is not "fucking around" or "bad storytelling", it's bit moments like this that make up the bread and butter of why we enjoy these series. Emotional and thematic reasons fulfilly another part of the brain.
Creative Writing 102 for JERK DISEASE and the rest of the old-school professors.
1. There are no such things as absolute rules in creative writing. You can choose to go one way or you can choose to go another. Such things as recurring characters can act as cameos or single-liners, but they can also play a bigger role if such feels appropriate. One example would be in the long-running series One Piece, where characters from an older saga were deliberately put in jail for the reason of coming back to the story and extend their role.
2. While authors are allowed to do things for the purpose of entertainment, this doesn't mean they always do.
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No one's joining.
the most plausible one to join would be jenbei but he has to protect fishman island now that WB has passed on.
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So, just read the recent chapter… and
! Hancock yelling at Jimbei was actually sort of funny. THAT'S IT. JINBEI CONFIRMED FOR STRAWHAT CREW MEMBER
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I'm still gunning for Margaret to be honest. She's unique and would fit in with the crew perfectly.
And wouldn't require the ship's rooms to be rebuilt unlike Jinbei lol
Has Marguerite been shown to have any semblance of a personality? Like, at all? What exactly made her unique, and also why is it that you seem to think every remotely attractive female bit character that shows up (Domino, for example) is actually interesting?
Let's not go there again.
But concerning AGOG's reply to your post, flame me all you want, but I don't think you were being reasonable either. Your argument doesn't provide an alternate storyline speculation, it provides an insult to Oda about how he would just think up his plots for the heck of it.
And if you look closer, AGOG actually does make a counter-argument eventually. Your argument is "Perona was paired up with Zoro as a random idea just for entertainment purposes," and AGOG replies by bringing up how Perona was sent away from Thriller Bark to begin with. "If Perona was just added for the heck of it, then why put so much effort into it? Oda is a much better writer than that."
Perona was sent away from thriller bark to tease Kuma's powers. Its likely Zoro was sent to the same island as perona so perona could act as a comedy foil to the serious Zoro (as stated by Zephos) which would be a perfectly acceptable reason to do so. Its not insulting Oda by saying this. Look at say, Full Body and Django. Was there some huge point in bringing them back? Or was it just to have some gags where they swooned over Hina?
Ok, let's throw Robin in there too…
Robin is nothing like perona at all. She was singled out multiple times in Alabasta and was heavily hinted at being important. She was given a real name, (unlike any other BW agents at the time), She saved Luffy, and was hinted at having some greater knoledge of the ponegliffs/ancient wepons/ wold history etc. etc.
Perona has had no such foreshadowing in her initial arc. The only arguments about perona having any type of depth are completely hypothetical speculation. Just read any of AGOG's arguments about her "dream" from that last few pages.
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New chapter is out..and I gotta say…we're getting closer and closer to the answer...
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So, just read the recent chapter… and
! Hancock yelling at Jimbei was actually sort of funny. THAT'S IT. JINBEI CONFIRMED FOR STRAWHAT CREW MEMBER
It's a start.
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Having read the last chapter:
[Hide]I'll put my Perona theories on hold in wait for further information. She should be in chapter 593, I guess.
On the contrary, I will agree for now that Jinbei's chances have been a bit hightened now that he has quirks and a little more in common with Luffy. Hancock is still a bit of a gray zone, but also seems more likely now after what Rayleigh said about the island.[/Hide]
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@Herr:
Creative Writing 102 for JERK DISEASE and the rest of the old-school professors.
All jokes aside I'm a near graduated Creative Writing major, so like, shut up and listen.
1. There are no such things as absolute rules in creative writing.
Hmm, you mean like me saying how authors don't have to have reoccuring characters be important? Or how they can write scenes and characters for entertainment purposes and not just deliberate plot progression?
You didn't even read my post. Fuck you.
You can choose to go one way or you can choose to go another. Such things as recurring characters can act as cameos or single-liners, but they can also play a bigger role if such feels appropriate.
Then why the fuck are you acting like Oda bringing her back is of any significance.
One example would be in the long-running series One Piece, where characters from an older saga were deliberately put in jail for the reason of coming back to the story and extend their role.
One example is the character Mr. 1 wh was involved in all of this but was completely superfluos.
2. While authors are allowed to do things for the purpose of entertainment, this doesn't mean they always do.
So then why the fuck did you say I was mocking Oda by suggesting he did this.
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Marguerite for Strawhat. New chapter confirmed her new role. She can be the seamstress:ninja:
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Ah, how can people say Hancock would not fit in the crew after last chapter? She's an idiot just like all the guys! :wub:
Not saying this chapter raised any chances. But it was fun to see her acting like a big idiot.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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Ah, how can people say Hancock would not fit in the crew after last chapter? She's an idiot just like all the guys! :wub:
Not saying this chapter raised any chances. But it was fun to see her acting like a big idiot.
If this chapter did anything, it merely gave more information about her past history, including that Shakky may have come from Amazon Lily, and gave me a laugh when she went love nuts for Luffy.
Hopefully there is more past to be foreshadowed, I reckon Rayleigh might bring it up, considered he and Shakky predicted that she would fall in love with Luffy, I'd like to know how they would figure that out.
I wasn't distracted by Lucy being half naked.
You won this week Fairy Tail.
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I'd like to know how they would figure that out.
i'll have to read it again… but it seemed to be completely based on a hunch.
"Monkey chan is cool"
that's about the only clue they gave us
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i'll have to read it again… but it seemed to be completely based on a hunch.
"Monkey chan is cool"
that's about the only clue they gave us
That's how I read it too. Shakky knew the girls very well, and presumed Hancock fell in love with Luffy, because Luffy's so cool.
Ahhh, Luffy! Getting all the girls in One Piece!
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While Bepo continues getting nothing..the poor son of a bitch…
Deicide: What you reckon is going to happen now?
I wasn't distracted by Lucy being half naked.
You won this week Fairy Tail.
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i'll have to read it again… but it seemed to be completely based on a hunch.
"Monkey chan is cool"
that's about the only clue they gave us
Well, that only presented it as a possibility. But looking at that everything fit together perfectly (Impel Down).
And she lived with them for a while.
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Can't wait to hear this creepy cooing and giggling turn into sobbing.
1\. Ace (√), 2\. WB (√), 3\. BB (X), 4\. Perona (√) 5\. Boa (√) 6\. Jimbei (???), 7\. Sabo lives (√), 8\. Timeskip (√)
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@JERK:
Can't wait to hear this creepy cooing and giggling turn into sobbing.
Alas..that's probably what's going to happen. Can I use your shoulder for when that time comes, and you laugh in your glee?
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One example is the character Mr. 1 wh was involved in all of this but was completely superfluos.
Another example is Mr.2 who was involved with a great matter of import. Even Mr.3 did his fair share.
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While Bepo continues getting nothing..the poor son of a bitch…
Deicide: What you reckon is going to happen now?
What I've been saying for ten chapters: Amazon Lily will be attacked and the Strawhats will reunite there in the middle of the fighting.
Hancock joining? I think it has a fair chance, but I'm not 100% convinced yet. While she has been amusing, the story has kept her out of focus most of the time since Impel Down, and frankly this chapter didn't raise her chances. She can't join before she gets some more attention, since Oda needs to convince the non-believers before she joins the crew.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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Another example is Mr.2 who was involved with a great matter of import. Even Mr.3 did his fair share.
But first off, Perona hasn't done anything and your argument that she could can be applied to anything in One Piece, even Iceburg's mouse Tyrannosaurus. Perona can easily be a Mr. 1, but you're arguing the possibility that everything we've been presented with that points to her being a Mr. 1 can be turned on its head simply because the story isn't over. Can you not see how I could apply the same to anyone from Gaimon to Makino to Buggy? The only reason you're blinded into thinking she has a chance is her reappearance with Zoro, which will likely be a Mr. 1 situation given that Perona has shown no more depth or complexity than Mr. 1. Secondly, Mr. 2 was shown in Arabasta to have developed a friendship with the Straw Hats, something that doesn't apply to Perona.
Edit: As Zephos points out below, I'm not saying Perona will be completely irrelevent, just that she won't join. I don't think she'll even get close to Mr. 2 sacrifice treatment. imo her role is between Mr. 1 and Mr. 3's in terms of importance, which puts her nowhere near joining. -
What I've been saying for ten chapters: Amazon Lily will be attacked and the Strawhats will reunite there in the middle of the fighting.
Hancock joining? I think it has a fair chance, but I'm not 100% convinced yet. While she has been amusing, the story has kept her out of focus most of the time since Impel Down, and frankly this chapter didn't raise her chances. She can't join before she gets some more attention, since Oda needs to convince the non-believers before she joins the crew.
While I agree nothing has changed for her to join or not. The chapter did throw a bone to her backstory, which means there might be more to come.
Though it could be a red herring..
I wasn't distracted by Lucy being half naked.
You won this week Fairy Tail.
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Another example is Mr.2 who was involved with a great matter of import. Even Mr.3 did his fair share.
So then you acknowledge that Oda brings back characters for little reason sometimes then trotting them out for fans, and entertainment. Like Mr. 1.
Oh and also none of these small return characters did anything as big as become a member of the main cast in case you forget you weren't arguing that Perona will do something minor (such as be Zoro's foil), you were arguing that the small parted characters isn't just coming back in to do something, but coming back to becom a member of the main cast. Which makes Mr. 3, Mr. 2 and Crocodile not help at all toward your point. In fact they help my point.
Because I am actually saying that Perona will serve a small function, then vanish again probably forever.
You aren't saying that. You're saying she'll be main cast.
