Last Two Nakamates (vol. 5)

MasterKingJC

Jinbe is definitely joining now.
How can anyone have any doubts after that awesome display of pure mastery over Fishman Karate?

DarthAsthma

I just noticed that Jinbe is a waterbender.

Superbear 22

@Crocodyne:

Phew, I finally found it.
Combo attack? Check.

How was that a combo attack?

this is a combo attack

starts at 2:04

All I see in this chapter is two individual attacks, not two attacks coming together to form one technique.

So until I hear something relevant to "welcome to the crew Jimbe!" in the text I remain in the grey corner, I am neither for nor against him.

Peal

@Blowfish:

16 characters of Ryukyu Islands.

Nope, pretty sure "islands" that weren't formerly owned by the Japanese but now are isn't enough to be a represent an entire country, even if we go as far as saying that the karate theme both the islands and Jinbe share are enough.

After all, "Kenpō" is from China, from that we could assume that Kamabakka kingdom and it's inhabitants to be based off of Chinese culture since they practice Okama Kenpō; however Amazon Lily was stated to borrow heavily from Chinese influence, and well … Greek amazonian mythos, of course.

The silly point I'm getting at is that these islands don't really answer the question I was asking.
Jinbe is heavily Japanese themed, I don't see how anything else could represent him, and former ISLAND NATIONS feels like we're sort of just dancing around the issue here.

Aaronrules380

@Peal:

So, what unrepresented country does the big old karate master named after a traditional Japanese style of robe who also takes his design from traditional Oni characterization represent?

Atlantis :ninja:

Blowfish

@Superbear:

How was that a combo attack?

this is a combo attack

starts at 2:04

All I see in this chapters is two individual attacks, not two attacks coming together to form one technique.

So until I hear something relevant to "welcome to the crew Jimbe!" in the text I remain in the grey corner, I am neither for nor against him.

Dude Rubia confirmed that Jinbe basically gave Sanji the Alley hoop and he admits that made things easier for him on pg 12 ,even the chapter before Sanji hinted they were planning this,you think Jinbe hit Wadatsumi to the sky on accident?:ninja:

Superbear 22

@Blowfish:

Dude Rubia confirmed that Jinbe basically gave Sanji the Alley hoop and he admits that made things easier for him on pg 12 ,even the chapter before Sanji hinted they were planning this,you think Jinbe hit Wadatsumi to the sky on accident?:ninja:

That's called an assist. I consider 108 pound cannon and Usocho hammer combos.

Blowfish

@Peal:

Nope, pretty sure "islands" that weren't formerly owned by the Japanese but now are isn't enough to be a represent an entire country, even if we go as far as saying that the karate theme both the islands and Jinbe share are enough.

After all, "Kenpō" is from China, from that we could assume that Kamabakka kingdom and it's inhabitants to be based off of Chinese culture since they practice Okama Kenpō; however Amazon Lily was stated to borrow heavily from Chinese influence, and well … Greek amazonian mythos, of course.

The silly point I'm getting at is that these islands don't really answer the question I was asking.
Jinbe is heavily Japanese themed, I don't see how anything else could represent him, and former ISLAND NATIONS feels like we're sort of just dancing around the issue here.

Idk what to tell you dude ,I mean this is a Japanese manga after all and maybe it all ties in with the actual history ,Ryukyu became a nation under Japan ,just like Ryugu Kingdom [[Ryukyu Kingdom ,Interesting…]]] wants to be a member of the WG and Karate was started there.

I'm not saying it will happen ,it's just alot of coincidences ya know? Like Jinbe is represented by the color Coral & just so happens Ryukyu is known for Coral reefs.

Deicide

@Superbear:

That's called an assist. I consider 108 pound cannon and Usocho hammer combos.

That's just semantics.

The fact is that Jinbe got a two-page big attack spread just like every other (male) Strawhat.

(Food for thought: does the order of the attacks implies any order of strength?)

I've already jumped to "Jinbe will join, but currently he lacks something that will be added sooner or later" stance two days ago, so I do see this two-page attack as a sign that Jinbe will be a Strawhat someday. He just isn't one right now.

Peal

The North Pole is known for Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer, Santa, snow, and tons of other shit.

Chopper perfectly fits in with the North Pole, which is why he's represented by …. wait, Canada? Yeeeeaaaah see these are the stretches I'm talking about, Chopper was represented by an actual country rather than something that fit him much better thematically. Which is why I don't buy this Ryukyu Islands representing Jinbe shtick.

Now to be fair, what I just said might also apply for Jinbe, for all we know he could represent the Phillipines or French Polynesia or wherever the crap Oda would list him. Just for the time being he makes the most sense as a Japanese representative, as he is so overtly Japanese.

Mugen

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Crocodyne

@Superbear:

That's called an assist. I consider 108 pound cannon and Usocho hammer combos.

Ok, let's call it "Chain Hit"
Or "2-Hit Combo"
Or "1-2 Action"
Or "Crossing"

GetsugaZoro

@Superbear:

That's called an assist. I consider 108 pound cannon and Usocho hammer combos.

How does smashing a Pacifista at the same time is more of a combo attack, then an actually chain of attacks that form a combo?

Blowfish

@Crocodyne:

Ok, let's call it "Chain Hit"
Or "2-Hit Combo"
Or "1-2 Action"
Or "Crossing"

16 characters of Chick Hearn voice ALLEY-Oop!!!! :ninja:

Cyan D. Funk

When did this hellhole turn into the Street Fighter thread?

Lazy Justice

I liked this post from igetownd.

He compared the strawhats to elements. And seeing as you guys are always comparing the Strawhats to different things (positions, colors, family members etc) I thought I'd move it from the chapter discussion.

Sanji - Fire
Jinbe? - Water
Nami - Lightning
Zoro - Wind
Usopp - Plant
Brook - Ice
Chopper - Ground/Animal?
Franky - Metal/Light?
Robin - ? Flower?
Luffy - Rubber!

And it does seem that Jinbe is the next nakama. I hope the way I see things plays out, but for now Jinbe's joining.

GetsugaZoro

Lets not play pokemon with One Piece.

rubia_ryu

@Crocodyne:

Ok, let's call it "Chain Hit"
Or "2-Hit Combo"
Or "1-2 Action"
Or "Crossing"

It's volleyball, but with fire.

Miss Saturday

@Deicide:

I do see this two-page attack as a sign that Jinbe will be a Strawhat someday. He just isn't one right now.

M-Maybe he's already considered an "honorary Strawhat", like Vivi .. but only for this arc. A-And .. he won't fully join them after it's over.
Yaaay .. <:3c

Lazy Justice

@GetsugaZoro:

Lets not play pokemon with One Piece.

But Happy Families and De Blob is cool?

I don't see how element is so wrong when color, family position and animal are acceptable…

I personally don't think any of this stuff is important at all, but you guys seem to fawn over it and it gives another thing to talk about. Particularly because I feel like this element stuff is very very intentional from Oda.

rubia_ryu

@Superbear:

Thinking back to this, Franky essentially ate his own words with his own LAZA BEEM that he fired right out of his hands. Somehow, it had a DBZ vibe to it with his hand positions, but I don't remember which technique Oda was referencing there.

By the way, a "combo" attack isn't specifically multiple techniques being merged; they just need to aid or add to each other's effects on a target. So, this is a combo move.

Ah, I'll admit it. After I gave up arguing, I was still holding out resistance for a bit, but by the previous chapter with Fukaboshi's speech, I've become convinced. Still, I won't be surprised if it turns out that Jinbe doesn't stay with the crew. All in all, we need drinking mugs to show up at the end of this arc.

Deicide

@Miss:

M-Maybe he's already considered an "honorary Strawhat", like Vivi .. but only for this arc. A-And .. he won't fully join them after it's over.
Yaaay .. <:3c

I don't like Jinbe that much either. I feel like his personality isn't interesting enough to have him around until the end of the series. But I like his fighting style.

What I feel about it doesn't change the fact that he has been getting more and more attention and is appearing as equal to other crewmembers in covers and other group shots.

Maybe he will just have honorary membership like Vivi, but… I wouldn't count on it.

Lazy Justice

I don't see why people don't like Jinbe as a character, if he joined I think I would like him more than Brook and Chopper.

Blowfish

@Lazy:

I don't see why people don't like Jinbe as a character, if he joined I think I would like him more than Brook and Chopper.

Oh you didn't know? It's because he's Fat. Swear to God. No one will admit it though. :ninja:

rubia_ryu

He's not fat; he's just big-boned. ~~I am on crazy pills today~~

Miss Saturday

@Lazy:

I don't see why people don't like Jinbe as a character, if he joined I think I would like him more than Brook and Chopper.

I love Jinbe as a character; he's very unique and badass in his own way.. But, to me, he's just not Strawhat material. I don't see him doing anything aboard the Sunny that someone else doesn't already do. Even his attitude and personality won't be original – he's a mixture between Zoro and Robin.
I'm still clinging to my hopes that he's already an "honorary Strawhat", and won't be staying with them after this arc. Leave me alone.

And really, dude? More than Chopper? Come on, now .. that's sacrilegious.

GetsugaZoro

@Lazy:

But Happy Families and De Blob is cool?

I don't see how element is so wrong when color, family position and animal are acceptable…

I personally don't think any of this stuff is important at all, but you guys seem to fawn over it and it gives another thing to talk about. Particularly because I feel like this element stuff is very very intentional from Oda.

Look at my sig, I like pokemon, its not about it being cool, its about you guys not derailing threads into other stuff, if that theory comes to fruition don't discuss it on the next nakama thread(I know the point was to atribute a elementa to Jinbe but it was derailing already).

Baou Zakurga

@Peal:

So, what unrepresented country does the big old karate master named after a traditional Japanese style of robe who also takes his design from traditional Oni characterization represent?

Zoro is 'Japanese'.So I guess it's possible to have two Japanese people in the Strawhats.Seeing how this is written by Japanese.Maybe Jinbei can be Edo Japan

DarthAsthma

@Miss:

I love Jinbe as a character; he's very unique and badass in his own way.. But, to me, he's just not Strawhat material. I don't see him doing anything aboard the Sunny that someone else doesn't already do. Even his attitude and personality won't be original – he's a mixture between Zoro and Robin.
I'm still clinging to my hopes that he's already an "honorary Strawhat", and won't be staying with them after this arc. Leave me alone.

And really, dude? More than Chopper? Come on, now .. that's sacrilegious.

It's ok that you don't like him. But by your argument i would argue that Brook is just a mixture between sanji and usopp. (character wise)

Miss Saturday

But .. Brook is the only musician on that crew, though. And he has a set role.
I agree he's a bit like Sanji, but I don't think he's anything like Usopp. He's a lot more mature to his .. immaturity. He also brings his own unique flavor to the group dynamic, with the "yohoho" puns and whatnot.

I don't mean to harp .. but what would Jinbe bring personality-wise?

DarthAsthma

@Miss:

But .. Brook is the only musician on that crew, though. And he has a set role.
I agree he's a bit like Sanji, but I don't think he's anything like Usopp. He's a lot more mature to his .. immaturity. He also brings his own unique flavor to the group dynamic, with the "yohoho" puns and whatnot.

I don't mean to harp .. but what would Jinbe bring personality-wise?

Prior to his joining he has displayed certain fear traits.
I don't want to make a solid case here that because I strongly belief that brook is unique enough, personality wise.
But consider how much of his personality was clear during the thriller bark arc.

Also what would Jinbe bring personality wise, many have already pointed out what his traits were/could be.
I'll just throw his plan naming trait in again.
Also I don't think that every strawhat has to be over the top silly. Also many of Zoros quirks were introduced long after his joining.
So there might still be much more to jinbe that has to be shown.

Again personally without bias or anything my gut feeling tells me he won't join, but I really can't deny that he is currently the only one who has a chance and if he does I'm pretty fine with it. I think it would be good for the balance since right now the nutjobs outnumber the ones with common sense.

Shift

@Crocodyne:

Phew, I finally found it.
Combo attack? Check.

Mmyes, excellent.

Peal

Jinbe's fatty fat fatness is actually good for the crew; it's a nice aesthetic quality for the crew that we don't have. However my sentiments pretty much mirror Miss Saturday's, I really feel as if Jinbe doesn't bring much of an interesting dynamic to the crew, like at all. Honestly if you disregard the massive boobies, Shirahoshi does bring some much more interesting dynamics to the strawhats, especially considering that the babies of the crew have grown up. No point in arguing them though as she's even less likely to join than Jinbe.

Shift

@Peal:

Jinbe's fatty fat fatness is actually good for the crew; it's a nice aesthetic quality for the crew that we don't have. However my sentiments pretty much mirror Miss Saturday's, I really feel as if Jinbe doesn't bring much of an interesting dynamic to the crew, like at all. Honestly if you disregard the massive boobies, Shirahoshi does bring some much more interesting dynamics to the strawhats, especially considering that the babies of the crew have grown up. No point in arguing them though as she's even less likely to join than Jinbe.

Even hypotheticaly, what exactly would she have to contribute in terms of dynamics? To be another crybaby to look after when they're braving the New World they all should be gritted and ready to face? We don't even need her for being surprised by stuff on the surface; plenty of what would be new for her in the New World would be new for much of the crew as well, and as we saw from the trip down to FI, the likes of Usopp and Chopper still aren't above freaking out over something new or terrifying.

Jinbe's the over-achiever, the 110% man, the guy who would break down a stone barricade and then sweep the pieces into the trash bin if necessary. We've already seen him bounce off of Luffy and Sanji, literally even; I'd say, given time, there's room to play around with him and the rest of the gang.

rubia_ryu

Truthfully, I'd think Jinbe would feel much more fitting in the crew if he weren't delayed for two years in-story. Sure, the decision is coming soon, and I'm sure he'll be coming along, but it just feels like if Oda originally wanted him in the crew, he would have done more with his personality during Impel Down and Marineford. Now that we're here at FI, with what's going on, Jinbe wouldn't feel any more relaxed than back then, but his more-complete personality is finally showing. It seems suspicious…

Everyone of the crewmates (even Robin, the usual exception!) had lots of their character outright revealed when they first appeared. Ms. All Exception kept plenty about her unknown and it could have gone both ways... yet she fit right in shortly after she "officially" joins. Strange, but not coincidental. The crew was made up of goofballs and Nami before her. She added plenty of new quirks to the crew. Franky was also a former enemy, but only by circumstance. Despite his first impression as an asshole, he was never built to be a major villain, and when his face was revealed, he was a goofball -- perfect for the crew. (Water 7 Arc is beautiful writing, one reason being the main antagonists were hiding in bright daylight. Another being the assumed antagonist, Franky, would become permanent ally and close friend. Among other things...)

By now, this crew of 9 would find it hard to actually add anything new in particular because they're so diverse. Once Jinbe joins, he doesn't need much else of him to be revealed; he's set. If he doesn't though, it just shows how a character like him doesn't fit well enough. I can swing either way. (With so many goofballs in the crew, a stoic person would better fit in, actually.)

Baou Zakurga

Jimbei must join.What a waste of such a huge,unique,powerful moveset.I can already imagine Jimbei in the group shot,with his beer mug,yelling 'Kanpai' while the StrawHats welcome their newest nakama!

maxterdexter

There's the thing, the whole Family Member, Representative Animal, Favorite Food, Real World Country, Color, Birthday, What they smell like.. Every one of those things doesn't matter. They are fun facts that are shown to sew a pattern of the crew, not to define "who can be a strawhat".

It's not like Oda was going "oh, Franky's color is blue, but sanji's color is also blue! he can't join the crew!". The thing about countries wasn't that well thought out, as our friend Usopp from the magnificent country of Africa can tell us.

Also, if you bring that his personality is a rehash of other strawhats, remember that the 2 most simple minded, determined, idiots, leaders and shonen-protagonist like characters in the crew are Luffy and Zoro.

The points were, are, and will be until we leave Jimbe behind or he's with us to the end of the world and back:

He fits graphicaly: Design, color, size. Vol 64 cover and the 2 page spreads of 10k vs 10 say yes.
He fits the setting: He belongs in the spotlignt, with a combat style, personality enough to carry a shonen manga, something to add to the mix.
The plot allows him to let him be with the crew: his ties with the people of the island, his responsabilities, things as an outlaw can't have safely.
A reason to go: a dream and willingness to follow Luffy
Has room to grow

I want his dream, if he joins, to be something silly, something that's a given for a human, but that for him as a fishman would be impossible, but in a world without discrimination he could do it. So in order to live his dream, he needs to bring peace and equal rights between human and fishmen.

Psychosis

Alright, alright.
It's really hard to do this but…

I'm finally tossing my hat in with the Jinbei crowd. He went and got a slpashpage in the chapter where everybody got a splashpage. I've got to concede my position as ultimate skeptic and say I'll be surprised if he isn't offered the position.

Shift

@rubia_ryu:

Truthfully, I'd think Jinbe would feel much more fitting in the crew if he weren't delayed for two years in-story. Sure, the decision is coming soon, and I'm sure he'll be coming along, but it just feels like if Oda originally wanted him in the crew, he would have done more with his personality during Impel Down and Marineford. Now that we're here at FI, with what's going on, Jinbe wouldn't feel any more relaxed than back then, but his more-complete personality is finally showing. It seems suspicious…

First, he was kept in jail before diving into a war that they ultimately lost. Second, we saw a big part of his personality even during that war: he won't bother with those whom he doesn't respect, but for those he does, he'll give everything he's got. And third, he just had a big burden he'd been carrying for quite a while, Arlong and feeling responsible for him, lifted from his shoulders by Nami; I'd say he's feeling way more relaxed than before that, even given the current circumstances.

Everyone of the crewmates (even Robin, the usual exception!) had lots of their character outright revealed when they first appeared. Ms. All Exception kept plenty about her unknown and it could have gone both ways… yet she fit right in shortly after she "officially" joins. Strange, but not coincidental. The crew was made up of goofballs and Nami before her. She added plenty of new quirks to the crew. Franky was also a former enemy, but only by circumstance. Despite his first impression as an asshole, he was never built to be a major villain, and when his face was revealed, he was a goofball -- perfect for the crew. (Water 7 Arc is beautiful writing, one reason being the main antagonists were hiding in bright daylight. Another being the assumed antagonist, Franky, would become permanent ally and close friend. Among other things...)

Please refresh me: you mean we saw some of Robin's dry morbidity when we first saw her with Crocodile, right? Nami also got Berries in her eyes when she first met Luffy?

By now, this crew of 9 would find it hard to actually add anything new in particular because they're so diverse. Once Jinbe joins, he doesn't need much else of him to be revealed; he's set. If he doesn't though, it just shows how a character like him doesn't fit well enough. I can swing either way. (With so many goofballs in the crew, a stoic person would better fit in, actually.)

It's already been made clear by Oda there will be at least one more member, so the fact that they're already diverse is moot since another personality will inevitably be added.

Doctor-san

@maxterdexter:

I want his dream, if he joins, to be something silly, something that's a given for a human, but that for him as a fishman would be impossible, but in a world without discrimination he could do it. So in order to live his dream, he needs to bring peace and equal rights between human and fishmen.

I like this. I like this a lot. I like it so much that I hope Oda writes this in canon.

rubia_ryu

@maxterdexter:

snip

Keep in mind that volume cover and page format don't actually have any part of the reasons for Jinbe to join because they're apart from the actual story.

Also, about this bit:

A reason to go: a dream and willingness to follow Luffy

Even though I'm now in support of Jinbe, I still find this point hard to follow. Does he really have a willingness to follow Luffy? Don't worry about the dream, that can be resolved later. But the latter needs to be resolved as soon as possible before further developments.

@Shift:

Please refresh me: you mean we saw some of Robin's dry morbidity when we first saw her with Crocodile, right? Nami also got Berries in her eyes when she first met Luffy?

We definitely saw Robin's dryness and Nami's love of money. Actually, we first met Robin by Whiskey Peak. She played with the crew and tested them to see what sort of people they were – rather unexpected coming from the co-leader of a criminal syndicate. And I didn't mean only their very first appearances, but their early ones. Robin kept her sly reticence throughout before and after the joining. Nami kept her greed, which gradually became more comic.

What lovely ladies. We need a zany one to counterbalance them. ~~not really but it'd be nice~~

Robby

@rubia_ryu:

Does he really have a willingness to follow Luffy? Don't worry about the dream, that can be resolved later. But the latter needs to be resolved as soon as possible before further developments.

He was going to rush off and deal with Hody and his crew all on his own to avoid the problems humans fighting would cause. He and Luffy tumbled a little bit.

Immediatley after, he stopped calling him "Luffy-kun" and began accepting that Luffy's course of action was the way to go.

Not to mention he was then impressed when Luffy took out 50,000 guys with a single blast. (All this intermixed with heavy interactions with Sanji and Nami.)

Yes, he's absolutely willing to follow Luffy now.

rubia_ryu

Mm, he compromised, for a more appropriate term, but I can see where you're going.

Miss Saturday

@rubia_ryu:

Truthfully, I'd think Jinbe would feel much more fitting in the crew if he weren't delayed for two years in-story.

This is also a problem for me. I'm not really sure even why.
It just completely breaks the mold of how each of them joined within a relatively short span after meeting.

Also .. one little side question .. Why exactly is this thread called "Last Two Nakamas"? Is there something I've missed saying we have two more to go? Because, if we do, I think I'd actually be slightly more okay with Jinbe joining. I don't want the Strawhat Crew to become a clusterfuck of insane characters, but I also don't want the last piece added to be Jinbe's .. less than stellar personality. I can cling to my faded hopes for a third female; I always assumed there would be 10 in total.

Blowfish

@Miss:

This is also a problem for me. I'm not really sure even why.
It just completely breaks the mold of how each of them joined within a relatively short span after meeting.

Also .. one little side question .. Why exactly is this thread called "Last Two Nakamas"? Is there something I've missed saying we have two more to go? Because, if we do, I think I'd actually be slightly more okay with Jinbe joining. I don't want the Strawhat Crew to become a clusterfuck of insane characters, but I also don't want the last piece added to be Jinbe's .. less than stellar personality. I can cling to my faded hopes for a third female; I always assumed there would be 10 in total.

In the beginning of this manga Luffy says he wants at least Ten members to join his crew [[not including himself ofc]] going by the chapter titled "the eighth" Brook is number eight obviously,if Jinbe joins he's number nine and then one more person slated to join the crew most likely female or so we suspect. [[Bonney is the favorite]]

Miss Saturday

Then I guess my mind is .. a little bit more at ease. I'm still bitter about him joining, though, since I wanted my sexy karate master fishwoman from this arc to join. Maybe Jinbe's true dream is to get a sex change? They might run into Iva again; my dreams continue.
And no Bonney, pl0x. I'd rather the last person to be someone fresh and new.

Jejune

Aw man, I've been convinced all this time Jinbei wouldn't join… but the team up, the volume cover, the dumb coin set, the lack of other fishman candidates... eek. Well, Oda's been giving us lot of time to get used to him hanging around so it doesn't seem so ba-- no! He won't join, I maintain til the end! >>

Juvar

Jinbe. 16 chars. I'm pretty damn convinced now.

RomanceDawn

@Miss:

Being on the cover with the Strawhats doesn't really mean much. Cause if that was the case, we'd have Iceburg and Kokoro and Rayleigh and about 8 other people as part of the crew by now.
I personally don't want Jinbe anywhere near their crew.. but that's just me.

You don't understand how Oda works in the slightest. With a bit more time of careful reading on a weekly basis you will see his usual patterns and techniques. Doesn't matter if its actually in the story, a piece of artwork, or even an interview. But they all equate to a persons reasonable conclusion about Jinbei.

Lazy Justice

The pattern is whoever is an important/main character in the arc gets to go on the cover. The title was 10 vs 100,000, it makes perfect sense Jinbei was there. The volume cover is not a pattern unless it's true if and only if people who join get their own special cover and no one else.

I agree with rubia_ryu that the two year time skip makes Jinbei joining feel less natural. Nakamates always have that money where Luffy proves himself to them, or at least over the arc they join he wins them over (think, 'Sogeking, burn that flag down').

For Jinbei, that sort of happened two years ago, and it hasn't happened again this arc (yet).

Personally, I would like to see Jinbe as a strawhat. But I would prefer it story-wise if he stayed behind, because to me it makes more sense.